GM 2014-01-15 transcript

 >#canada< meeting starting shortly; please PM Rlim e-mail for voice.  yeah Wilson  "/msg RLim   hey guys  will there be an ending deadline for the meeting?  what?  what the heck is psm? lol  p = private, s = secret  oo  it basically makes it so #canada doesnt show up when people search for channels :P  lol guys... :D  +m is moderatedwhich means only voiced +v people can speak private: nobody can join without invitation secret: doesnt show up on the lists moderated: only voiced people speak basically an underground secretive censored community  thanx pappasadrian! I didn't know any of that. :D  hola hello  in the future we should probably start the voicing process at 7:30 or 7:45 so we can start on time  yeah  +OV please  =)  Is quorum 15 still? <CCitizen> unless you changed the constitution 11 so far any changes to the agenda? <Wilson> yes. and if we get quorum, a vote on changing that should happen pretty quick (among the other stuff we need to get done) wut? <CCitizen> seriously stop messing with the channel modes before you break something :) <RLim> no idea <RLim> lol nt is a good enough mode <CCitizen> easy way to break it would be +l 1 and that'd kick everyone out of the channel :P all except one let the hunger games begin anyway, until we start happy new year to everyone <BobJonkman> HNY! hope 2014 is good so far  \o/ suspicious quotes <RLim> ping darknyan drew2 JMcleod jlamothe MHoude McGrath MononcQc Mozart thor Vitriohl XFaCE  suspicious quotes are suspicious <CraigNobbs> I think it's code for "looking at Pr0n" <XFaCE> RLim: yes Mr Lim <RLim> pm your e-mail to me to get voice if you are a member <RLim> hi XFaCE  http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/air-quotes.gif.pagespeed.ce.WggfgC1vno.gif No, amking supper, and if we had qorum, I would be screwed. <XFaCE> Hi psema4, Eric L. says hi hi MHoude  if you are a member, /msg RLim your email patcon, you too :) 13 pappasadrian: aw i'm sorry, i'm just heading out for the night so don't have time to read the scrollback that i'm ignorant of! the meeting hasnt started yet :P but i would if i wasn't jetting OK I appoint CraigNobbs as chair for the time-being. <RLim> so close and yet man, ok. late new years resolution. i'm going to get more on top of PPoC stuff this year XFaCE hey :) i'm a total lurker later folks! bye <XFaCE> psema4: I'll convince him to join one of these days :P =D <CCitizen> only 2 people away <Wilson> I've been contacting all the members I know. <XFaCE> Wilson: hi Mr. President <Wilson> Sadly(?) not the president. I am the president, Wilson is dear leader. <Mozart> Somehow, you managed to have a bicameral political party -.- <RLim> Kim Jong Wilson <XFaCE> phillipsjk: ugh Wilson is the confederate chancellor of the pirate parties of the solar system. <XFaCE> phillipsjk: Can I be the court gesture or the obudsman? <XFaCE> Maybe the CIO? Jester yoou mean? <XFaCE> *jesture <XFaCE> ah fuck,I can't believe I've done this proudly an ally with the pirate party of Mars https://www.facebook.com/ppmars *gesture jester? :P <XFaCE> phillipsjk: If Kim.com's internet party catches on, we made need a brand change :P *Jester kim wants the label "internet party" with a "pirate" and an "online " party already in place this is going to be interesting <XFaCE> hurm oh, and "wikileaks" party <XFaCE> I like Ulterior Party <XFaCE> very 1984 We cover more than the internet; the internet just makes the issues more apparent. CANPIR - in the footsteps of INGSOC <XFaCE> phillipsjk: The Stallman Party? I think "pirate party" is pretty descriptive. Besides, it always gets a nervous chucle out of people who hear the name for the first time, to which I always quip, "silly name, serious issues" or something like that. stallman mostly supports the greens *chuckle <XFaCE> Received guidance from the Electoral Commission. I feel I have no choice but to cancel #ThePartyParty. I'm so sorry. <XFaCE> "Received guidance from the Electoral Commission. I feel I have no choice but to cancel #ThePartyParty. I'm so sorry. " <XFaCE> poor kim <XFaCE> phillipsjk: it's ok <XFaCE> RMS is a good consultant I thinks <XFaCE> like he adds ideas to the conversation yes, he writes on international pirate mailing lists every now and then <XFaCE> he doesn't have to be 100% right about everything <XFaCE> phillipsjk: My favourite license is the WTFPL his extreme views make the contrast between floss philosophy and closed source more apparent I like WTFPL. but GPLv3 is my favorite. i like the beer license *beerware <XFaCE> pappasadrian: I prefer the blunt, uncensored elegance of the WTFPL <RLim> rekabis: I remember an old lady looking at me cautiously <RLim> lol 1 shy.. <XFaCE> phillipsjk: Well yeah, the GPL 3 probably the best for me <XFaCE> but WTFPL is my favourite <RLim> not sure who else is a member among the lurkers If I change it to remove the offensive word, It is not quite the same :) <XFaCE> phillipsjk: obv :P arrr <pappasadrian_> Now there are 2 of me <pappasadrian_> 15 <XFaCE> lol Only single celled organisms are allowed to do that :P <XFaCE> not going to work <XFaCE> also, I have to leave soon :( <XFaCE> phillipsjk: back around 10 :P <XFaCE> phillipsjk: although... <XFaCE> I'm on ZNC Next meeting in one week then? <XFaCE> so "I'll" still be online 1 short!? this is sad.. <XFaCE> phillipsjk: I'll be present... in the list so much for the 3am coffee i just finished :P <RLim> I a just going to ping the rest Reminds me of the scene in the second Pirates of the Caribbean movie where the Pirates were apparently better sticklers for the rules than the British. <Wilson> lol <XFaCE> yo Wilson <Wilson> aye? <XFaCE> I think we should offload our VPN service to Iceland <XFaCE> or somewhere like that that;s a good idea <RLim> ping amackera azend blaeks collentine Coyo cyberanger David jlamothe kangoulya KindOne lcameron MarkG Prutzenberg robban_nocloud Rory Slackenerny <XFaCE> Wilson: considering that Duchess and his lackies are fucking up that legislation although the fact that we cant trust our own country for data confidentiality is at least sad also, enraging <RLim> msg me with your e-mail to get voice if you are a member <XFaCE> pappasadrian: Also the law <XFaCE> pappasadrian: you know, the C11 implementation that bans VPN no logs <RLim> well we should do a contract out <XFaCE> Mullvad :D <RLim> I mean instead of us operating it have someone operate it maybe <XFaCE> I agree does it specify how much time you should save your logs for? <XFaCE> Slap the name <RLim> that way they can't claim it's a Canadian company or organization XFaCE, my interpretation of that is slightly different; even wrote it up. <XFaCE> pappasadrian: I remember it being in the level of years <XFaCE> phillipsjk: link! <RLim> who is paying for storage cost? https://www.pirateparty.ca/2013/11/07/notice-and-notice-copyright-submission-for-the-pirate-party-with-respect-to-their-vpn-service/ umm guys i think i'll go to bed <CraigNobbs> why? Ok, thanks for comming. if someone arrives in the next half hour or so, and you need one more for quorum umm if someone wants to give me a call i'll come back on <CraigNobbs> If you wiat 9 more minutes, we will know either way oh there's a time limit? <MononcQc> sorry just came back <MononcQc> who do I auth too? <CraigNobbs> yeah... 1 hour News to me, too. But it makes sense. Yes, nobody wants to show up for 3 hour meetings :) it does <RLim> MononcQc: msg your e-mail to me Gotta have a time limit. Can't have us bodies stinkin' up the place all night. and, we got quorum... sigh and fuck yeah at the same time <CraigNobbs> lol I still count only 14. I don"t hink it was ever made a formal rule, but good goal. + MononcQc once he authenticates <CCitizen> Did we actually get enough people <MononcQc> I sent the msg. Craig is still technically cahir BTW. <Wilson> wait, we actually going to get quorum? I could cry manly tears yep <CraigNobbs> Manly tears have mustaches...  it's a thing So how is this voting going to proceed? do we have candidates other than Psema4? <CraigNobbs> HOLY CRAP.... Quorum! <MononcQc> yay \o/ <CraigNobbs> err... I mean... I knew that we would do it.  =) just start the meeting before someone leaves :D lol <CraigNobbs> CALL TO ORDER <CraigNobbs> The meeting has now started <RLim> lol <CraigNobbs> Please take all erroneous chat to #canada-riffraff webchat_4531, Ervin, if you are members, please /msg RLim your email <CraigNobbs> Last meeting didn't make quorum, but here is a link to the last minutes: https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=GM_2013-12-18_transcript <CraigNobbs> ... and a link to today's agenda:  https://piratepad.ca/p/January_15_Agenda <CraigNobbs> Is there any discussion on the Agenda for today? <Wilson> lOOKS ABOUT RIGHT <Wilson> *srry caps <CCitizen> are we nominating people for PC <Wilson> yes. nominations are today *gulp* <CraigNobbs> yes...? Looks like that's being added agenda seems okay it's politican council, isnt it? political* <CraigNobbs> yes <Wilson> yah <CraigNobbs> anything else for the Agenda? not from me <CraigNobbs> Alright, I move to accept the agenda. Second? <Wilson> second second second hehe <CraigNobbs> Motion is seconded. vote? <CraigNobbs> Please vote YES or NO to accept the agenda. Vote open for 60 seconds <BobJonkman> YES <CCitizen> yes <Wilson> yes yes <XFaCE> Maybe? <MononcQc> yes <CraigNobbs> YES yes (what happened to aye?) <MHoude> Yes aye (yes) <RLim> yes Yes <CraigNobbs> Vote has closed <CraigNobbs> Please wait for tally <XFaCE> (LOL) <CraigNobbs> 11 in favor, 1 abstain, 0 against. Motion carries. the "maybe" is "abstain "? <CraigNobbs> yes okay <CraigNobbs> Let's move on with the Officers Report(s). <RLim> just notice Bob Trower put his name in also. . posted as a reply to my post <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/node/123 <Wilson> No reports from the Leader <CraigNobbs> Any officers present have anything to report? <RLim> I don't have exact bank balance for this month but about $600+ of contributions for December <RLim> that's my report <RLim> oh <RLim> and working on vieo campaign that needs to get out soon before the bills passess <RLim> C-8, C-13 and porn censorship <RLim> so any animator, writer, narrator who wants to help out let me know <XFaCE> RLim: Don't forget CETA and TPP, +failed Wind <CraigNobbs> We should post something on the forum for volunteers for the video. and on social media <CraigNobbs> yeah <CraigNobbs> If there are no more reports, we'll move on <CraigNobbs> any other reports? <RLim> CETA is too late <RLim> TPP yes not too late for ceta yet <CraigNobbs> ok, it appears that there are no more reports. Let's move along in the agenda <RLim> psema4: what's the problematic part of CETA again? <CraigNobbs> Committee reports. Any reports from the committees? <XFaCE> RLim: trademark, drug patent <XFaCE> etc. <XFaCE> in those areas <CraigNobbs> Please take that discussion to #canada-riffraff. =) <CraigNobbs> It appears as though there are committee reports. <CraigNobbs> If no one chimes in, we'll move on in 30 seconds to Old Business That may be a boilerplate agenda item. <CraigNobbs> The video? <CraigNobbs> ok. We're done with the reports. <CraigNobbs> Moving on to Old Business.  Today's agenda is mostly old business carried forward... is there anything else to deal with? <Wilson> I believe there was a by-law ammendment proposal from foreverago <CraigNobbs> I only recall the consitutional amendment... do you know the bylaw one? <Wilson> no, it wasn't mine <CCitizen> which amendment is that <BobJonkman> The agenda is somewhat non-specific for Old Business. Can someone make a quick one-liner recap of the issue? <CraigNobbs> I'm looking for it now... To have meeting async? <Wilson> How about we deal with other old business while the amendment is being found <RLim> I think CraigNobbs meant the PC being allowed to hold EB position <CraigNobbs> ok... anyone else remember old business? <Wilson> yah! that was it! <CraigNobbs> @RLim: Yeah, I'm looking up the wording <Wilson> we have three candidates to confirm <RLim> ok phillipsjk you want to take over while CraigNobbs look for that? <RLim> better move this along <CCitizen> I dont think we ever got around to actually writing an amendment and such a thing should be thought out and already be ready to present to the GM not tossed together as an afterthought or we'll end up having to make another change to the constitution to fix any mistakes we make in haste. <CraigNobbs> right... I remember why <CraigNobbs> it was always on the agenda for the meetings but the ones that I was part of never made quorum <CCitizen> was our last quorum GM in august or september? <CraigNobbs> I need to give notice that there will be a vote on an amendment for the constitution next GM that makes quorum <XFaCE> Official bbl October https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=Meeting_minutes <CCitizen> we should actually make an amendment to streamline the amendment process <CraigNobbs> It's like that so that the party isn't hijacked <CraigNobbs> it's a saftey issue <Wilson> Well, we can consider this notice. Shall we move along? <CraigNobbs> yes yes <CraigNobbs> Ok, down to new business <CraigNobbs> Anything before we get to the Nominations? <Wilson> confirmation. of. candidates. Oh, changing order was bad? <CraigNobbs> k... let's do the confirmations now then. <Wilson> individually or in a group, your call <CraigNobbs> James and myself are here... is Kenneth Dyson here? <Wilson> he was here last month to answer any questions members had. <Wilson> ric and myself also interviewed him. <RLim> yeah but we did not have quorum <RLim> phillipsjk: posted a transcript earier he wne by the handle dysonshere <RLim> *earlier <CraigNobbs> ... just reading over the transcript real quick for his responses <CraigNobbs> k <CraigNobbs> here's some of his posts, real quick <CraigNobbs> "i am a postdoctoral fellow in neuroscience at the universite de montreal. number one interest is to have a government that governs by evidence and reason over ideology." <BobJonkman> I have to to AFK. I'd like to register my support for psema4 now, siince I won't be around for the vote <CraigNobbs> "i am 100% on board with the party stance on copyright and internet privacy/neutrality" <CraigNobbs> "want to see more $ in basic science research, with less emphasis on "economic deliverables"" <CraigNobbs> "i like the idea of the mincome, for one." <RLim> ok let's do Scott first <RLim> ? <CCitizen> sure Scott is cool :) <CraigNobbs> <MHoude> dysonsphere: What are your stances with regards to National Defense? <CraigNobbs> "MHoude:in general, i do not like interventionism. i am more in line with peace keeping and defence of our physical and cyber boarders" <CraigNobbs> Travis: one thing i would like to look into more closely are the drug patent issues and how we can ensure that quality research on new drugs will be performed while current drugs are affordable to canadians <CraigNobbs> i like the policy of no drug patents, but not sure what will happen if the profit motive is lost. <CraigNobbs> the issue i am most pationate about in my every day life is education <RLim> BobJonkman: no worries. It will be just nomination. voting later online <RLim> for sure psema4 will get nominated <BobJonkman> OK, great! <CraigNobbs> ... there' a bit more, please refer to  https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=GM_2013-12-18_transcript  for the rest <CraigNobbs> We'll do the nominations seperate <CCitizen> oh we doing candidates first? <CraigNobbs> Let's start with James Wilson. <CraigNobbs> @CCitizen: Yes <Wilson> I'm here <CCitizen> Ah well considering he's the leader why not skip straight to voting? <CraigNobbs> I nominate James Wilson... anyone second his nomination? <CCitizen> seconded THirded. <CraigNobbs> great. <CraigNobbs> Let's move on to Kenneth Dyson <CraigNobbs> I'll nominate him <CraigNobbs> anyone second? <MHoude> Seconded <CraigNobbs> great. <Wilson> second <CraigNobbs> I put my name forward for nomination. anyone second? <Wilson> second <RLim> second <CraigNobbs> great. All nominations accepted. that other guy from the forum? <Mordecai> bob bob trower <RLim> is this nomination for PC or affirming candidates? <CCitizen> we were doing candidate nominations not PC ones or are we moving on? <CraigNobbs> We should put up a board for the nominees to post about themselves and have posts that people can ask questions about them <Wilson> Can we clear something up: we are doing the candidates for the 2015 election right now not the PC right? <CraigNobbs> yes oh, sorry >.< my wrong <RLim> please add new topic here <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/forum/76 <Wilson> and I believe candidates actually need a vote not just a nomination I would love to get involved with the 2015 election, just time and $$ which is the problem. <RLim> yeah <CCitizen> we could vote on all of htem together <CCitizen> unless someone objects <RLim> rekabis: start organizing local meetup and get local support <Wilson> Well, I suggested it so I won't object <darknyan_> IF I may ask, who is taking membership validations? <CCitizen> RLim <CraigNobbs> Since we have a fair amount of time before the election and only one candidate per riding can be accepted, I would suggest holding off on the votes for the confirmation of the candidates for some time. <CraigNobbs> any objections to that? I was kind of hoping our riding associations would handle that :) <Wilson> You may suggest it but the rules allow candidates to seek confirmation whenever they want. <CCitizen> First you need to get people to make EDA's in the first place <CraigNobbs> we don't have riding associations in all areas and they're not needed until after then next Federal Election <RLim> rekabis if you can find time to go door to door that should be good. and attend debate during election They are needed if we are going to run a full-slate, but that is morte #riffraff talk. do any of the candidates wish to seek confirmation at this time? <Wilson> Aye, I do. <RLim> wer should just do it for all 3 <CraigNobbs> ok. <RLim> *we <CCitizen> makes sense, I mean if a by-election were called in one of those ridings it'd mean they could get ready for the by-election too instead of waiting for 2015 <CraigNobbs> So "Vote of confirmation of Craig Nobbs (Langley-Aldergrove), James Wilson (Fundy Royal), and Kenneth Dyson (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount)" How's that for the motion? <CCitizen> sounds good second <CraigNobbs> Motion: Vote of confirmation of Craig Nobbs (Langley-Aldergrove), James Wilson (Fundy Royal), and Kenneth Dyson (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount) <CraigNobbs> Second? ^ second <MononcQc> seconded <Ervin> second <CraigNobbs> Please for YES or NO for the current motion. Vote open for 60 seconds. <MononcQc> aye yes <CraigNobbs> YES <Wilson> yes (aye) <Mordecai> yes aye (yes) <Ervin> yes <MHoude> yes aye Yes <CCitizen> yes <CraigNobbs> Vote has closed. Please wait for tally. <CraigNobbs> 11 For, 0 Against, 0 abstain. Motion carried. <CraigNobbs> ok. moving on <CraigNobbs> This is now the part where we nominate people for the Political Council. <Wilson> I nominate Bob Trower <CraigNobbs> any discussion? I second (is that needed?) <CraigNobbs> yes, seconds are needed for nominations <CraigNobbs> ... <CCitizen> Cool well I'll nominate myself then I'd just like to mention that I personally have a great deal of respect for Bob. I haven't met him but have seen a fair bit over the years, both in and out of the Party. seconded for CCitizen <Wilson> I will also nominate myself (James Wilson) Seconded. second <CCitizen> I'll nominate Scott Elcomb (Psema4) as well <Wilson> second <MHoude> second <Wilson> Although he seemed reluctant when I asked I will nominate Shawn Vulliez. second! :) Second i also nominate myself, noting that the timezone difference typically doesnt allow me to cooperate well with others. and also noting that i didnt do much during the last year <CraigNobbs> I'll second Seconded. <CraigNobbs> When is the election for the PC going to happen? <CCitizen> Probably after the meeting is over by all party ballot <RLim> or after the code is fixed <RLim> we'll sent an e-mail notice out <CraigNobbs> I see. <Wilson> an email will go out to members at the start of voting <CraigNobbs> I'd like to put my name forward, but I still want to be on the EB. <CraigNobbs> =( darknyan, you? I wish to resign. I'm not very capable of being on the council and I don't feel I've lived up the expectations set out for me. <CCitizen> you can be on both if you run for Leader :) That Is why you proposed the constitutional amendment. <RLim> if you get elected as leader <CCitizen> How many names do we have nominated now? Could we give notice for Craig's ammendment this meeting and vote on it next meeting? <CraigNobbs> We already have <Wilson> 6 I believe <CraigNobbs> If we have 6 then I don't need to put my name forward... <CCitizen> I think it's time for me to do something stupid... I'd like to nominate Andrew Paolucci is he still a member? <CraigNobbs> Last year we have a tough time even coming up with the nominees accepting their nominations <CCitizen> I believe so <Wilson> CC not funny even as a joke -_- <RLim> I nominate MononcQc <CCitizen> seconded for RLim's Thirded. <CraigNobbs> ok <CraigNobbs> any other nominations? <CraigNobbs> closing floor in 30 seconds please list the 6 current nominees <CraigNobbs> I'll put my name forth... just in case <RLim> all nominees please post at https://my.pirateparty.ca/forum/76 witha new forum topic if you have not already done so <CraigNobbs> anyone second for me? seconded <RLim> what about chad? <RLim> :) interested? NOminate chadkoh for council, if not already. second thanks darknyan <Mordecai> second Almost forgot about you chad D: interested for sure... not sure about time commitment since I am traveling back and forth lots now with the biz <RLim> no problem. we are moving to async i want to nominate darknyan, if he wants to too k then No thank you. oh well darknayn resigned. :/ Appreciate the offer however :) he resigned from the current pc. this is the nomination for the new one :D but, since he doesnt want to... Well, not resign.\ Retire is a better term. at 18? 15 i think :P <Wilson> he's living the dream :P wow <CraigNobbs> Ok, current names for nomination: Bob Trower, James Wilson, Scott Elcomb (Psema4), Pappasadrian, Craig Nobbs, MononcQc, ChadOk <CraigNobbs> Did I miss anyone? pappasadrian: Adrian Adrian Pappas surprisingly enough <RLim> no second so not really :P <CCitizen> Me probably if we're done with nominations i think we should adjourn <Wilson> I have a quick thing okay <CraigNobbs> Ok... revised list: Adrian Pappas (Pappasadrian), Bob Trower, CCitizen, ChadOk, Craig Nobbs, James Wilson, MononcQc, Scott Elcomb (Psema4) <Wilson> I'd like to give notice of a vote next GM to have a membership vote on change the meeting quorum to 10. <CraigNobbs> ok <CraigNobbs> notice accepted <CCitizen> that's a pretty good change all things considered <Wilson> k, someone vote to unbar the door so we can all go home :P I motion to adjourn. motioning to adjourn :D <CraigNobbs> second <Wilson> second (both) <Wilson> aye abstain <CraigNobbs> all if favor of adjournment say YES or NO wait, what? YES <CCitizen> yes YES <MHoude> yes <MononcQc> 2yes yes abstain, wtf? <Mordecai> aye :D yes <CraigNobbs> lol <Wilson> aye <CCitizen> (I vote we lock ourselves in here FOREVER!) <CraigNobbs> <-- slaps CCitizen That escalated quickly. Should have taken the elevator. <RLim> aye <CraigNobbs> 11 in favor, 0 against, 1 abstain aye :) <CraigNobbs> motion carried and meeting adjourned
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