GM 2012-10-17 transcript



Log times are in Canadian Central Time

19:02 < JohannWeiss> yay 19:02 < JohannWeiss> Hey RLim 19:02 < RLim> hey 19:03 < RLim> Can someone post a reminder on social media? 19:03 < JohannWeiss> I've got access to the FB, but that's it. 19:03 < JohannWeiss> So yea, I' 19:03 < JohannWeiss> ll go do that 19:05 < RLim> I have access to diasp only so I'll do that 19:05 < CCitizen> I'm semi-here 19:10 < JohannWeiss> Again, sorry for any delays we should be good to go around 5:30. 19:10 < RLim> pacific time 19:10 < JohannWeiss> Damnit, yeah 19:10 < RLim> :) 19:10 < JohannWeiss> If I forget to specify timezone, I'm talking pacific 19:10 < JohannWeiss> IWho will be singing in here 19:11 < JohannWeiss> ? 19:11 < JohannWeiss> I'm wanting to know how far from quorum we are currently. 19:11 < CCitizen> well I'm semi-here 19:14 < RLim> Who has op access? 19:16 < JohannWeiss> So we're at 4 of 15 for qourum and neither Ric nor I have Op status. 19:16 < RLim> ping JMcleod 19:16 < JohannWeiss> I'm assuming that's just his computer auto starting IRC since he isn't able to chair 19:17 < RLim> yeah forgot he said he won't be here today 19:17 < JohannWeiss> Shawn V sends his regards, but wont be able to come tonight due to work 19:17 < JohannWeiss> (Just passing that on) 19:18 < RLim> ping scshunt 19:18 < RLim> ok I have to track it offline. 19:18 Looks like I've finally managed to catch one of these darn things in action… stuck with my iPad, tho. Can't touch-type. 😒 19:19 < RLim> JUst e-mail me your e-mail to login 19:19 <@JohannWeiss> There we go 19:20 wassup? 19:21 -!- JohannWeiss changed the topic of #canada to: GM is tonight. Jack is unavailable so Johann Weiss will be filling in. There may be some minor delays due to his newb-ness. PM RLim to log in if you wish to participate officially. 19:21 @JohannWeiss, you need a DM to identify members? 19:21 Can anyone recommend a decent IRC client for iOS that won't break the bank, and is easy on an old-timer who never got into IRC, despite being on the net since 88? 19:22 <@JohannWeiss> RLim is handling that 19:22 @Rekabis, try Colloquy, it's only $1.99 19:22 < RLim> JohannWeiss can you five me ops? So that I can voice people 19:22 < CCitizen> I dont know but when I get the chance I'll be changing to an Android phone which should have some free options 19:23 rekabis: im enjoying IRC999 19:23 which is free if i remember correctly 19:23 or, if it isnt, i pirated it anyway :P 19:24 Colloquy is… pink. I'm allergic to pink… *LOL* 19:24 aww, come on, pink is sweet :3 19:25 Good evening everyone 19:25 < Wilson> yo 19:25 IRC999 is free… will try that first. 19:25 <@RLim> ok pardon the slight delay 19:26 <@JohannWeiss> Good evening 19:29 RLim: we need to send an email? 19:30 <@JohannWeiss> pappasadrian: You just need to PM RLim your email address 19:30 <@RLim> pappasadrian: I don't think it goes out rightaway. SO by the time it is sent, the meeting might be over. 19:31 <@RLim> anyone else want to sign in. e-mail me your id and e-mail 19:32 pm you mean? 19:32 <+pappasadrian> thanks 3 19:32 <+pappasadrian> yes, obviously it's a pm 19:33 <+pappasadrian>  JUst e-mail me your e-mail to login 19:33 <@RLim> yes pm :) 19:33 <+pappasadrian> ive seen that, so i was wandering 19:33 <+pappasadrian> *wondering 19:33 <+Wilson> btw, the mass email sent out does not show membership #s or PINs correctly (or at least it didn't for me) 19:33 <@RLim> lol 19:33 <@JohannWeiss> Well at least the email got out this time 19:33 <+pappasadrian> JohannWeiss: i didnt receive an email 19:33 <+Wilson> yes, always a silver lining 19:34 <+pappasadrian> not even in my spam 19:35 <@JohannWeiss> pappasadrian: We'll talk to IT about that 19:35 <@JohannWeiss> There have been issues with the mailouts and them getting to the right people 19:35 <+pappasadrian> okay, thanks 19:35 IT apologizes for the entire mail system. 19:35 and we promise to rectify it this month 19:35 <@JohannWeiss> You gonna sign in jhowell? 19:35 <+pappasadrian> IT does the best it can, im sure 19:36 <+pappasadrian> so, keep it up 19:36 oh brother, you have no idea 19:36 <+pappasadrian> no 19:36 <+pappasadrian> i really dont 19:36 <+pappasadrian> i was trying to be nice :P 19:36 hahaha 19:36 well, we should have had it done last month but stuff happened 19:37 <+pappasadrian> "stuff"? 19:37 <+jhowell> and we just got it rectified today 19:37 <+jhowell> yeah, don't ask. 19:37 <+pappasadrian> ..ok 19:37 <+pappasadrian> sounds suspicious >.> 19:38 <+jhowell> no, just not the time nor the place to discuss it 19:38 <@JohannWeiss> I'm waiting until 6 (pacific time) to call this, probably under quorum, meeting to order 19:41 <+CCitizen> could always try pinging some people 19:42 < Kabis> Just connected with the IRC999 iOS client. Hopefully I'm doing this right… 19:42 <+pappasadrian> Kabis: seems right 19:43 <@RLim> Kabis are you a member? pm your id or e-mail if you are 19:44 < Kabis> Afaik, yes. Not at home, so no idea of id. 19:44 <+pappasadrian> email will be easier, irc999 doesnt do too well with pm'ing 19:44 <+pappasadrian> unless of course you /msg RLim 19:45 < Kabis> I can email id later tonight, as it's at home. Still at work… 19:46 <+pappasadrian> Kabis: email your email 19:46 <+pappasadrian> same thing :P 19:46 <+pappasadrian> or type /msg RLim your@ema.il 19:46 <@RLim> secretary at pirateparty.ca if you can't pm 19:47 <@RLim> just your e-mail address would be fine 19:47 <@RLim> need 6 more 19:47 <+pappasadrian> RLim: on a side note, how is just an email sufficient verification? 19:50 <@JohannWeiss> ... It's probably not 19:50 <@RLim> yeah probably not. sending e-mail confirmation 19:55 <+pappasadrian> i was hoping to manage to stay awake 19:56 <+pappasadrian> but im already falling asleep 19:56 <+pappasadrian> so i guess it's -1 for the gm 19:56 <+pappasadrian> sorry 19:56 <@JohannWeiss> It's alright 19:56 <@JohannWeiss> You made it out and that's what counts 19:56 < Kabis> Oh, drat. And I actually caught this one… 19:57 <+pappasadrian> next meeting should be at noon or something :P 19:57 <+pappasadrian> it'd make it much easier for me :D 19:57 <@JohannWeiss> We really need to agree to some solution to this lack of quorum thing. 19:57 <@JohannWeiss> Yeah, but I'd be off on a construction site then 19:58 <@RLim> so what do you propose as the solution 19:58 <@RLim> I think we've touched on this in our meeting 19:58 <@RLim> we should probably make it official 19:58 <@JohannWeiss> I had a suggestion at the last meeting 19:59 <+CCitizen> Part of the problem is our email issues 19:59 <@RLim> we can proceed with meeting but any voting will be done party wide 19:59 <+CCitizen> but that'll be fixed soon 19:59 <@RLim> but how many if considered quorum or passed if it's e-mail 19:59 <@RLim> *is 20:00 <@JohannWeiss> Maybe it is just a technical issue with the site instability, 20:00 <+pappasadrian> how about vote delegation for meetings? 20:00 <+pappasadrian> for people who cant make it 20:00 <@JohannWeiss> I've advocated for it, but was met with resistance 20:00 <+CCitizen> Might be a good thing 20:00 <+jhowell> its a bit of infrastructure instability and a bit of communication 20:00 <+jhowell> meetings should always have a purpose 20:00 <+jhowell> not just happen "because" 20:00 <@JohannWeiss> My suggestion last time was to have voting take place over the 24-48 hours following the meeting 20:01 <@JohannWeiss> Then scheduling is solved. 20:01 <+CCitizen> that seems good 20:01 <@RLim> yeah 20:02 <@JohannWeiss> jhowell: True, but we do have a bit of business to do. It would probably only take an hour if we didn't have quorum problems 20:02 <+jhowell> a reminder to all members, 24-48hrs beforehand, defining what the meeting will discuss, as well as the minutes from the last meeting will give people a reminder to show up---combining it with the 2 day voting window.. we'd get people 20:02 <@RLim> as long as minutes and transcript are made available 20:02 <@JohannWeiss> Yes 20:02 <@RLim> should be available during the voting period 20:02 <@JohannWeiss> We're impleneting a version of that internally to exec. 20:02 < PirateFox> meeting started? 20:03 <@JohannWeiss> If it works without much problems we'll be proposing it for the GM 20:03 <@RLim> yes PirateFox pm your e-mail and id 20:03 <@JohannWeiss> Sure, why not 20:03 <+CCitizen> maybe if we have people for it 20:03 <@RLim> to login 20:03 <@JohannWeiss> I call this meeting to Order 20:03 <+CCitizen> IT basically does it that way 20:03 <+pappasadrian> well, if the voting takes place in a 48h period, why cant the discussion take place in a similar timeframe? 20:03 <+pappasadrian> in a forum or likewise 20:04 <@RLim> yeah I like pappasadrian idea of giving people chance to discuss it 20:04 <@JohannWeiss> We are currently under qourum and therefore can only make motions to postpone or wait 20:04 <@RLim> ANother thing we are trying to improve on. Our forum 20:04 <+pappasadrian> just use a ready solution 20:04 <@JohannWeiss> Anyone wish to make a motion to that effect? 20:04 <+pappasadrian> phpbb or something 20:05 <+pappasadrian> motion to postpone 20:05 <+CCitizen> Either way it works... 20:05 <+CCitizen> We have enough people now? 20:05 <@JohannWeiss> No, we are still under qourum. 20:05 < Kabis> I have had great success with PHPBB… it's a great platform, although getting more 'spaghetti code' as time goes on… 20:06 <@JohannWeiss> pappasadrian: postponing requires a date/time to postpone to. It can be later today, next week, or till the next GM. 20:06 <+pappasadrian> oh well, withdrawal of motion 20:06 <+pappasadrian> im the last person who should have a saying in this 20:06 <@RLim> pappasadrian: join it meeting on October 24 if you are available. #canada-itcomm 20:07 <+pappasadrian> wednesday? 20:07 <+pappasadrian> sounds possible 20:07 <@RLim> *IT 20:07 <+pappasadrian> what time? 20:07 <+lcameron> I may join the itcomm meeting also, but mostly to observe 20:07 <@RLim> pappasadrian: yeah next wednesday 9pm EST 20:07 <+CCitizen> We're looking at an option that integrates well with drupal... We have a candidate forum software to try though 20:07 <@JohannWeiss> I'm keeping this very loosely moderated because I see no point in stifling discussion while we are under quorum 20:07 <+pappasadrian> fuck, that's late 20:08 <+jhowell> yeah i know.. its the only way we could get PST 20:08 <+pappasadrian> 9pm EST is 5am for me 20:08 <+lcameron> 10pm for me... yeah Atlantic time 20:08 < Kabis> Isn't it 2100pst right now? 20:08 <+gregwadden> go atlantic! woo 20:10 <@JohannWeiss> These timzones make it hard to have a canada wide meeting in real time 20:10 <@RLim> yeah 20:10 <+Wilson> ...What if we had two meetings but the total had to equal 15 unique members? 20:11 < Kabis> Imagine if we were in Russia… SIX time zones, afaik. 20:11 <+gregwadden> i'm fine with the late show personally 20:11 <+pappasadrian> Wilson: then you'd have two seperate discussions on the same topics 20:11 <@JohannWeiss> Wilson: That could work 20:11 <+pappasadrian> quite possibly with 2 different outcomes 20:12 <+pappasadrian> which would be weird, at least 20:12 <+Wilson> details :P 20:12 <@RLim> jhowell please check your e-mail 20:12 <@JohannWeiss> motions and amendments would be complicated though, unless we started from scratch and figured out something new 20:13 <+jhowell> yeah i got it 20:13 <+jhowell> teesting now 20:13 <+jhowell> the mail server is running.. 20:13 <+pappasadrian> i've seen liquidfeedback working in such situations 20:13 <@RLim> yeah JohannWeiss need to come up with new way of accepting amendments. Or it would just be their lose for not attending the meeting. 20:13 <@JohannWeiss> Alright, it's time to make a decision. 20:14 <@JohannWeiss> Are we waiting or are we postponing 20:14 <+pappasadrian> idk what your feelings are about it 20:14 <@JohannWeiss> Either way, till when 20:14 <@JohannWeiss> ? 20:15 <@JohannWeiss> RLim: Was there anything urgent on the agenda for tonight? 20:15 <@RLim> Nope 20:15 <+jhowell> restarted the mail server. not sure if that will do anything. 20:16 <@RLim> Got your reply today jhowell. Weird that you found it turned off. What could have caused that? 20:16 < Kabis> What's the make/ver of the email server? 20:16 <+pappasadrian> anyway, im going to sleep. ill probably make it next wednesday for the IT meeting. i'll try to think of some more suggestions for the quorum issue 20:17 <+pappasadrian> so, see you all later 20:17 <@RLim> thanks pappasadrian 20:17 <@JohannWeiss> Night 20:17 <@RLim> night 20:17 < Kabis> Bye! 20:18 <+jhowell> Kabis--its qmail 20:18 <@RLim> Do we want to wait until we're done IT meeting next week 20:18 <@RLim> ? 20:18 <@JohannWeiss> So two weeks from now? 20:18 <@JohannWeiss> Cause the IT is on the wednesday 20:18 <@RLim> yeah 20:19 < Kabis> I use hmailserver myself. 20:19 <@RLim> 2 weeks from now is Halloween though :P 20:19 <@RLim> Do we want to wait until November or is that too long? 20:19 <@RLim> Not that there's any urgent business 20:20 <+jhowell> we're going to be using open-xchange or zimbra 20:20 <@RLim> or make it Monday October 29th? 20:20 <+jhowell> testing them both, seeing which has better features 20:20 <@JohannWeiss> If we wait until November and something urgent comes up, both the Pres and/or the Leader can call a special GM to deal with it 20:20 <@RLim> yeah 20:21 <@JohannWeiss> So we wouldn't be forced to wait on anything 20:21 <@RLim> we can just concentrate on getting the remix gov website up and running 20:22 <+CCitizen> We dont do meetings with IT... we just discuss by email and vote on email 20:22 <@RLim> I move to cancel this month's meeting due to lack quorum and to postpone it to next month's scheduled General Meeting 20:22 <+jhowell> (unless theres reason for meeting) 20:23 <@JohannWeiss> Any seconders? 20:23 <+gregwadden> yeah i'll second 20:23 < Kabis> Ditto 20:23 <@JohannWeiss> The motion is to cancel this month's meeting due to lack quorum and to postpone it to next month's scheduled General Meeting. 20:23 <@JohannWeiss> Any debate or discussion? 20:24 <@JohannWeiss> (waiting a minute or two for anyone not paying attention) 20:24 <+jhowell> none here 20:25 < Kabis> Nope. 20:25 <+CCitizen> nope 20:26 <@JohannWeiss> All in favour of the motion vote aye, all against vote nay. 20:26 <+jhowell> aye 20:26 <+Wilson> aye 20:26 < Kabis> Aye 20:27 <+gregwadden> aye 20:27 <+CCitizen> aye 20:28 <+lcameron> aye 20:29 <@JohannWeiss> The motion passed unanimously. The meeting is now adjourned until November 21st

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