GM 2013-01-16 transcript



All log times are in central time.

19:30 <+JohannWeiss> I'm calling this meeting to order 19:30 <+MononcQc> holy moly a quorum 19:30 <+JohannWeiss> PM me if you wish to speak 19:30 <+JohannWeiss> First order of business is to review the previous months minutes 19:31 <+psema4> Down to 2% von battery, so i'll be away for ~30w minutes 19:31 <+JohannWeiss> I know we didn't make quorum at the last few meetings, so RLim, can you give us the minutes that need to be reviewed? 19:31 <@RLim> I don't have the minutes or transcript. was away on vacation 19:32 <+JohannWeiss> Give me a moment to check the wiki 19:32 <@RLim> suggestion was to go through nomination first while I'll try to get it from someone 19:32 <+Wilson> seconded! 19:32 <+scshunt> I move we dispense with the reading of the minutes 19:33 <+CraigNobbs> seconded 19:33 <+darknyan> Thirded? 19:33 <+RLeblanc> Forthed. 19:33 <+MononcQc> it'll be hard to validate the minutes anyway 19:33 <+MononcQc> it's been a while 19:33 <+JohannWeiss> OKay 19:33 <+JohannWeiss> Any debate on that 19:33 <+JohannWeiss> ? 19:34 <+JakeDaynes> none here 19:34 <+Sqratz> nope 19:34 <+JohannWeiss> You've got 60 sec and then we move to vote on it 19:34 <+pappasadrian> no 19:35 <+JohannWeiss> Seeing no debate, we will vote on the motion to "dispense with the reading of the minutes" 19:35 <+JohannWeiss> All in favour say aye, all opposed say nay 19:35 <+Sqratz> aye 19:35 <+pappasadrian> aye 19:35 <+Wilson> aye 19:35 <+JakeDaynes> aye 19:35 <+MononcQc> aye 19:35 <+CraigNobbs> AYE 19:35 <+RLeblanc> aye 19:35 <+TeamColtra> aye 19:36 <+darknyan> Aye. 19:36 <+pappasadrian> side note: is there a channel for casual side conversation? 19:36 <+JohannWeiss> #canada-riffraff 19:36 <+JohannWeiss> (at least that's what we used before 19:36 <@RLim> aye 19:37 hello 19:37 ack! how do I become NON-annon 19:37 <+JohannWeiss> Hello, we are currently doing our GM 19:37 <+JohannWeiss> PM with any questions 19:37 <+Sqratz> type "nick/ desired username" 19:38 <+darknyan> *it's /nick thenicknameyouwant 19:38 <+JohannWeiss> The motions has passed with 10 in the affirmative and 0 against 19:38 <+JohannWeiss> Moving on from the minutes 19:38 <+JohannWeiss> We are now onto reports 19:38 <+JohannWeiss> The President is currently away dealing with family stuff, so he will not have a report 19:39 <+Wilson> I do not believe the Political Council has any reports. 19:39 <+JohannWeiss> As the VP I can say that the EB is currently trying our best to make this election happen on time and properly 19:39 <+JakeDaynes> I will have a report on behalf of the Fund 19:39 <+JohannWeiss> Go ahead Jake 19:40 <+JakeDaynes> Okay everybody, as many of you are aware, Myself, Rlim and CCitizen make up the new directors of the Pirate Party of Canada Fund 19:41 <+JakeDaynes> Over the past 6-8 months we've been stuck dealing with BMO in order to get access to our bank account and I am pleased to finally announce that we have done so, and we now have access to the funds in the account. 19:41 <+JakeDaynes> As we now have access to this, we can proceed with our server move as soon as we have a VISA through BMO. I am hoping that either Rlim or CCitizen can process this request ASAP. 19:42 <+JakeDaynes> That is all for now, and I will report later on behalf of the IT Committee 19:42 <+JohannWeiss> Would any of the other committees like to make a report? 19:43 <+JakeDaynes> (besides IT committee) 19:43 <+pappasadrian> are questions allowed? 19:43 <+JohannWeiss> Yes 19:43 <+pappasadrian> ok, question for the fund 19:44 <+pappasadrian> what's the current balance? 19:44 <+RLeblanc> I had the same quesiton in mind, 19:44 <+JakeDaynes> At last check… (give me a second, I've got the statement here somewhere) 19:47 <+JakeDaynes> Shoot - I thought I had the statement here in my desk, but it's been filed with the rest of our paperwork - can I have leave to post the amount tonight by midnight PST? 19:47 <+JakeDaynes> I need to pull out the files 19:48 <+JohannWeiss> That will be fine, we shouldn't delay the meeting too long for this 19:48 <+JohannWeiss> Is that acceptable? 19:48 <+darknyan> Yay. 19:48 <+MononcQc> aye 19:49 <+pappasadrian> yes 19:49 <+pappasadrian> i wouldnt mind seeing this on the forum on a later date 19:49 <+JohannWeiss> We'll post it then 19:49 <+JohannWeiss> IT report now? 19:49 <+JakeDaynes> Sure 19:51 <+JakeDaynes> Since the Fund now has access to the bank accounts - as soon as we have a VISA we will be able to finalize the settings on the new server. Piratemail will also be moved to the PPCA's control and all members will receive an @piratemail.ca address. VPN service will once again be re-opened with the ability to upload your own .CSR files so you don't need to transmit your secret key insecurely. 19:51 <+JakeDaynes> That is all 19:51 <+darknyan> Piratemail is no longer open? 19:52 <+JakeDaynes> piratemail is open - it's on my server right now 19:52 crap in a hat. did i miss it? 19:52 <+darknyan> I meant open-signups. 19:52 <+JohannWeiss> Miss what? 19:52 reading backchat 19:52 <+JakeDaynes> no, it's still open - piratemail.ca 19:52 <+JakeDaynes> but VPN service is closed for signups 19:52 <+darknyan> What about HTTPS and No-IP logging? 19:52 <+JakeDaynes> for...? 19:53 <+darknyan> Piratemail. 19:53 <+JakeDaynes> VPN, Piratemail, Website? 19:53 <+JakeDaynes> ah 19:53 <+JakeDaynes> Piratemail will have HTTPS on the new server and is currently not logged (which it shall remain) 19:53 <+JohannWeiss> Let's move on from IT, any further questions on piratemail can be made in riffraff 19:53 <+JakeDaynes> Sorry - Encrypt Everything will also move to the PPCA servers 19:53 <+JakeDaynes> *done* 19:54 <+pappasadrian> question: will piratepad.ca be reinitiated? 19:54 <+JohannWeiss> fair question, Jake? 19:54 <+JakeDaynes> Yes 19:54 <+JakeDaynes> It will be 19:54 <+JakeDaynes> It's already setup on the new server - but the server is down pending payment 19:55 <+JohannWeiss> So onto the primary reason for the meeting tonight, Political Council Nominations 19:56 <+darknyan> May I raise some very quick business before the nominations? 19:56 <+JohannWeiss> Yes 19:56 <+JohannWeiss> Go ahead 19:56 <+darknyan> I will be assisting in a series of small-high school debates between MLAs in the Burnaby-Douglas and Burnaby-North Riding. 19:57 <+darknyan> And since I will be the one raising technology and development issues, I was hoping that I could receive the permission of the Pirate Party of Canada to represent myself and the PPCA's interests. 19:57 <+darknyan> As per what is happening with the NDP and Liberals. 19:58 <+Wilson> I'm in favour, personally. Especially if the other parties will have represxentation 19:58 <+JakeDaynes> As am I 19:59 <+darknyan> It's still in discussions with the other parties. NDP sounds like it will, not sure about the liberals. 19:59 <+JohannWeiss> If we are to vote on this it needs to be a more clearly worded motion 20:00 <+darknyan> The motion to allow Jimmy Bartlett Chen to represent the PPCA platform and interests in a series of small-scale debates between BC's MLA candidates. 20:00 <+JakeDaynes> seconded 20:00 <+Wilson> Seconded 20:00 <+JohannWeiss> Thank you 20:00 <+JohannWeiss> Any debate on the motion? 20:00 <+CraigNobbs> for how long? 20:00 <+darknyan> In April-Mayish 20:00 <+pappasadrian> good point, should be included in the motion 20:01 <+MononcQc> also location? 20:01 <+darknyan> Moscrop Secondary School, Burnaby BC. 20:01 <+JakeDaynes> I motion to allow Jimmy Bartlett Chen to represent the PPCA platform and interests in a series of small-scale debates between BC's MLA candidates throughout the spring of 2013. 20:02 <+JohannWeiss> I think that's good enough 20:02 <+pappasadrian> second 20:02 <+JohannWeiss> So, any debate? 20:02 <+pappasadrian> i doubt it 20:03 <+darknyan> Errr, I should mention my conflict of interest. 20:03 <+JakeDaynes> Please do 20:03 <+JohannWeiss> What is it? 20:03 <+darknyan> Monarchist League of Canada, which I will strictly keep the issues seperate, and make it clear that the PPCA does not have a offical opinion on it. 20:03 < PirateFox> hullo JakeDaynes 20:03 < PirateFox> oops, meeting, sorry 20:04 <@RLim> ok not a problem darknyan 20:04 <+Wilson> Monarchist League of Canada <3 20:04 <+darknyan> In fact, its entirely likely I will not raise the issue. 20:04 <+pappasadrian> monarchist league of canada? 20:04 <@RLim> I know you would Wilson :) 20:04 <+darknyan> In fact, its entirely likely I will not raise the issue of monarchism. 20:04 <+Wilson> Advocacy group for keeping Canada's ties to the monarchy 20:05 <+darknyan> constitutional, not just monarchy. 20:05 <+pappasadrian> aalright... 20:05 <@RLim> if it does come up you can say the party does not have official position and it's your personal position 20:05 <+Wilson> it was implied. Regardless, we ready to vote? 20:06 <+CraigNobbs> I disagree 20:06 <+pappasadrian> with what? 20:06 <+darknyan> it was implieed. 20:06 <+darknyan> by me. 20:06 <@RLim> CraigNobbs: you want to discuss this further? 20:06 <+darknyan> that i will strictly keep the issues seperate, or not mention monarchism further. 20:06 < Broken_Syntax> Ahoy 20:07 <+darknyan> that i will strictly keep the issues seperate, or even mention monarchism * 20:07 * Broken_Syntax is probably late, but must AFK for 20min. 20:07 <+JohannWeiss> Broken_Syntax we are currently in a meeting, PM for info 20:07 <@RLim> pm your id and e-mail to me Broken_Syntax 20:07 <+darknyan> Sorry, let me clarify lastly so we can get back onto the nominations. 20:08 <+CraigNobbs> Personally, I believe that you should only represent one or the other. Even if you state that they are separate issues, any press coverage could potentially tie them up. 20:08 <+JohannWeiss> Craignobbs would like to floor, could other members cease speaking 20:08 <+CraigNobbs> them being the two parties 20:09 < Ahmed> Monarchist league isn't a party. 20:09 <+CraigNobbs> Semantics 20:09 <+JohannWeiss> Please give Craig the floor untill he's done 20:10 <+CraigNobbs> It's my personal opinion that the two should not be represented by the same person at the same meeting. 20:10 <+CraigNobbs> 20:10 <+JohannWeiss> darknyan would like to speak next 20:11 <+darknyan> First off, I would be more than happy to delegate the questions to someone else. 20:11 <+darknyan> Seeing as I do not support the Monarchist League of Canada, but these are simply issues that also may arise. 20:11 <+darknyan> As questions by the questioning public. 20:12 <+darknyan> And althought I support the monarchy, I do not take a active advocacy role in any way shape or form. 20:12 <+darknyan> And I do not intend on raising the issues, and even if the issues are to be raised, I can delegate another person to do the questioning on behalf of the league. 20:12 <+darknyan> I am not representing another third party, I am committed to representing the PPCA. 20:13 <+darknyan> As well, to make it a bit more clear, the debate it oriented to High School Students. 20:13 <+darknyan> Estimated attendance of 120. 20:14 <+darknyan> Done. 20:14 <+JohannWeiss> No one is on the speakers list 20:14 <@RLim> darknyan: if there's any video from the event sent it to us and we can post it in our yourtube channel. We could always use more content. 20:14 <+darknyan> Aight. 20:14 <+JakeDaynes> I think we can vote on it 20:15 <+JohannWeiss> Is there any more debate? (60 sec to say so) 20:15 <+darknyan> I motion to allow Jimmy Bartlett Chen to represent the PPCA platform and interests in a series of small-scale debates between BC's MLA candidates throughout the spring of 2013. 20:15 <+JohannWeiss> You don't need to add that, we're still discussing that motion 20:16 <+darknyan> Didn't see sorry, I assumed no debate. 20:16 <+CraigNobbs> no discussion from me 20:16 <+JohannWeiss> So no requests for debate 20:16 <+JohannWeiss> We are voting on the main motion: "to allow Jimmy Bartlett Chen to represent the PPCA platform and interests in a series of small-scale debates between BC's MLA candidates throughout the spring of 2013." 20:16 <+JohannWeiss> All in favour, aye, all opposed, nay 20:16 <+MononcQc> aye 20:17 <+JakeDaynes> aye 20:17 <+CraigNobbs> aye 20:17 <@RLim> aye 20:17 <+Wilson> aye 20:17 <+Sqratz> aye 20:17 <+RLeblanc> aye 20:17 aye 20:17 <+C-Money> aye 20:18 <+JohannWeiss> ping lcameron RobertMcGrath TeamColtra 20:18 <+lcameron> aye 20:18 <+TeamColtra> Aye 20:18 <+RobertMcGrath> Aye 20:18 <+JohannWeiss> The motion passes, 12 in favour, 0 against 20:19 <+pappasadrian> (just missed it, but aye from me too) 20:19 <+JohannWeiss> One more brief speaker before the nomination, Jake 20:19 <+JakeDaynes> Thanks - this will likely be the last time I interrupt this meeting :) 20:20 <+JakeDaynes> I would like to first and foremost thank everybody for attending - meeting quorum has grown difficult these past few meetings, and it is appreciated that you could make it 20:20 <+JakeDaynes> secondly, and my main point of business, is to announce that I will be resigning from the PPCA effective March 1st. 20:20 <+C-Money> Awwwww maaaan. 20:20 <+pappasadrian> :/ 20:21 <+JakeDaynes> This has come after a lot of thought, and isn't something I would do lightly 20:21 <+MononcQc> welp there goes the future quorum 20:21 <+pappasadrian> why, if i may ask? 20:21 <+JakeDaynes> However - I will be moving to the UK at the start of May, and will not be available for many of my current duties 20:22 <+MononcQc> mmakes sense if you're leaving the country. 20:22 <+CraigNobbs> that's what the internet is for... connecting the continents. 20:22 <+pappasadrian> objection, you dont have to leave the party 20:22 <+JakeDaynes> I do plan on popping in here and there, but will not be able to commit to the duties of being in the IT Committee or the Political Council/Fund 20:22 <+pappasadrian> on the contrary, ppca will have a representative on the other side of the atlantic 20:22 <+JakeDaynes> I don't plan on dropping my membership, but I will no longer have an official position 20:22 <@RLim> sorry to hear that 20:23 <+JakeDaynes> I hope to garner connections with the European parties, and will help to foster communication, but I simply can't commit to anything official 20:24 <+C-Money> I vote to veto your move! 20:24 <+JakeDaynes> The reason that I have stated as of March 1st is because I'll be in the Caribbean for the later half of March, and once I've returned in April I'll be setting things in motion for my UK move. 20:24 <+C-Money> We can vote to veto resignations, remember? 20:24 <+pappasadrian> JakeDaynes, if you need any help with european connections, let me know, please 20:24 <+C-Money> ;) 20:24 <+JohannWeiss> FYI: This doesn't affect the current elections, he isn't resigning from any position that would be eligible for nominees. (although any help in the IT Comm would be really appreciated) 20:24 <+CraigNobbs> I put forth the following motion: The stripping of the right for unlawful detention of one Jake Daynes, and hereby ascert that he be restricted to living within the country of Canada. 20:24 <+TeamColtra> second 20:24 <+C-Money> AYE! 20:25 <+JohannWeiss> Alright, this discussion can move to riff-raff 20:25 <@RLim> one thing that we should probably sort out is the banking. To make sure we don't have any problem if we choose to switch bank or change of officers at the fund. But we can discuss that offline. 20:25 <+JakeDaynes> I have a plan to set things in order internally with the PPCA before then, which will include the banking and the new server 20:25 <+JakeDaynes> 20:25 <+JohannWeiss> Nominations! 20:25 <+Wilson> I nominate Travis McCrea 20:25 <+JohannWeiss> Every member may speak to nominate another member to be on the ballot for the Political Council 20:25 <@RLim> or themselves 20:26 <+JakeDaynes> I nominate Darknyan 20:26 <+JohannWeiss> Yes, or themselves 20:26 <+darknyan> I nominate Broken_Syntax, Mozart 20:26 <+pappasadrian> can we nominate others without their consent? 20:26 < Mozart> Sweet. 20:26 they don't have to accept 20:26 <+JohannWeiss> Yes, but they must give their consent before they are on the ballot 20:27 <+Wilson> I also nominate myself 20:27 <+darknyan> Minimum age to join the Political Council? 20:27 <@RLim> 14 20:27 <@RLim> unless there's objections here 20:27 <+Wilson> Just have to be a member (so yah 14) 20:28 <+RobertMcGrath> I nominate myself 20:28 <+darknyan> My membership is expiring next month, does that count? 20:28 plan on renewing? 20:29 <+JohannWeiss> (membership is given for PC and EB members) 20:29 <+darknyan> I donated alot of my money to charities. 20:29 <+Wilson> PC members are entitled to free membership if memory serves. 20:29 <+darknyan> And since i don't have a income, I don't receive tax credit or refund. 20:29 <+lcameron> I will nominate Wilson 20:29 <+darknyan> I nominate Wilson as well. 20:29 <+RLeblanc> I nominate Wilson 20:29 <+Wilson> I beat you both to it ;P 20:29 < Teckie> hey guys, glad to be here for once 20:29 < Teckie> always seem to miss these things 20:30 <+TeamColtra> Mozart can't be on the PC 20:30 <+TeamColtra> I nominate JohannWeiss and Shawn V 20:30 <+darknyan> I accept my nomination, I guess, but I warn that I may not be able to accomplish to my full capacity as I am sometimes inactive. 20:30 <+JohannWeiss> Why not TeamColtra 20:30 <+TeamColtra> JohannWeiss Mozart isn't canadian 20:30 < Mozart> TeamColtra: foiled me again! 20:30 <+darknyan> Ah. 20:30 lol 20:31 (I accept the nomination) 20:31 <@RLim> and not verified 20:32 <@RLim> mozart ^ 20:32 <+JohannWeiss> ORDER 20:32 <+pappasadrian> what the heck 20:32 <+pappasadrian> im nominating myself 20:32 <+JohannWeiss> We currently have: Travis McCrea, Darknyan, Broken_syntax, Wilson, Robert McGrath, Johann Weiss, Shawn Vulliez, and pappasadrian 20:33 <+JohannWeiss> Are there any further nominations? 20:33 <+CraigNobbs> Can we please show REAL names for the nominations 20:33 <+JohannWeiss> Those will become necessary, but aren't required right now 20:33 <+darknyan> Jimmy Chen 20:34 <+JohannWeiss> You can't object to the nominations or anything 20:34 <+CraigNobbs> I'm not.... I'd just like to know who the people with nicknames are 20:34 <+TeamColtra> I wouldn't mind seeing craig being nominated 20:34 <+pappasadrian> is my nickname considered a nickname? :P 20:34 <+TeamColtra> if he isn't against it 20:35 <+JohannWeiss> You can nominate him if you like, they all need to accept the nominations anyways 20:35 <+TeamColtra> make it so 20:35 I nominate CraigNobbs 20:36 <@RLim> and psema4 20:36 <+CraigNobbs> I accept 20:36 <@RLim> I nominate Scott Elcomb 20:36 < Teckie> i second nomination for CraigNobbs 20:36 I'll decline. With Jake leaving I need to get back to it 20:36 <@RLim> Teckie you want to verify / login? pm your e-mail and id 20:36 <+CraigNobbs> So long as I can also continue to run as a Candidate in the next Federal election. 20:36 <+TeamColtra> Also I accept if I needed to 20:36 < Teckie> okay, one moment 20:37 <@RLim> CraigNobbs: PC would be perfect for preparing for election IMHO 20:37 <+JohannWeiss> Do we have any more? 20:37 <+TeamColtra> Oh and CCitizen 20:38 <+JohannWeiss> Is that it? 20:38 <+JohannWeiss> I'll give you 3 minutes to speak up 20:38 <+CraigNobbs> "up" 20:39 <+Teckie> i second nomination for CraigNobbs 20:39 <+JohannWeiss> Good encouragment, but seconding is not necessary here 20:39 <+TeamColtra> I don't think nominations need to be seconded? 20:39 <+JohannWeiss> They don't 20:39 <+Teckie> oo i didnt think anyone heard me because i was -v 20:39 * Broken_Syntax returns 20:40 <@RLim> Teckie we did not mute anyone so you are good 20:40 <+darknyan> I nominate Broken_Syntax 20:40 <+JohannWeiss> Already on the list 20:40 <+darknyan> Doesnt he need to accept? 20:41 <+Teckie> indeed 20:41 * lcameron checks watch, thinks 3 minutes are up 20:41  * Broken_Syntax is usually up for that stuff ;) 20:41 <+JohannWeiss> Now the accepting happens 20:42 <+JohannWeiss> Here's the list: Travis McCrea, Jimmy Chen, Broken_syntax, Wilson, Robert McGrath, Johann Weiss, Shawn Vulliez, pappasadrian, Craig Nobbs, psema4, CCitizen  20:42  * psema4 declines 20:42 <+JohannWeiss> I'd like just those members to speak, either accepting or rejecting the nomination 20:42 <+McGrath> I accept 20:42 <+pappasadrian> accept 20:42 <+Wilson> I accept 20:42 <+CraigNobbs> I accept 20:43 <+darknyan> I accept. 20:43 <+TeamColtra> I accept 20:44 < Broken_Syntax> I accept, and note that I'm currently in the process of acquiring a smartphone (w/ qwerty) so I can be in touch on IRC even when working. 20:44 < Broken_Syntax> (Otherwise I wouldn't feel I could commit to being accessible.) 20:45 <+JohannWeiss> waiting on CCitizen and svulliez 20:45 (I accept) (sorry for the disconnect) 20:45 <+JohannWeiss> It's alright, not your fault 20:46 <@RLim> and JohannWeiss ? 20:46 <+JohannWeiss> I will reject the nomination (getting married and going to be busy for 2-3 months, then out of touch entirly for a month) 20:47 <@RLim> psema4? 20:47 <+JohannWeiss> So it's just CCitizen left 20:47 <+pappasadrian> he said he declines 20:47 <+pappasadrian> *he/she. idk 20:47 correct (he) 20:47 <@RLim> sorry missed that 20:47 <+JohannWeiss> If he is unreachable now, I will get an answer from him later. 20:48 <@RLim> I'll let him speak for himself 20:48 I declined the nomination, need to focus on i.t. 20:49 <@RLim> thanks psema4 20:49 <+JohannWeiss> The nominees for Political Council will be: Robert McGrath, pappasadrian, Wilson, Craig Nobbs, Jimmy Chen, Travis McCrea, Broken_syntax, Shawn Vulliez 20:49 <+JohannWeiss> And possibly CCitizen 20:49 <+JohannWeiss> pending his acceptance 20:50 <+TeamColtra> What is pappasadrian and Broken_Syntax's name? 20:51 <+TeamColtra> And wilson is James Wilson, eh? 20:51 <@RLim> May I suggest that each nominee post a video of themselves talking about their plans? At PC you would potentially be the face of the party. Talking to media and the public 20:51 <+JohannWeiss> Yes 20:51 <+pappasadrian> Adrian (Andrianos) Pappas 20:51 <@RLim> it's not mandatory. just nice to see and hear who we are voting for 20:51 <+TeamColtra> RLim I will, but I don't think we should require it 20:51 <+JohannWeiss> I'll give some brief direction to the nominees 20:51 < Broken_Syntax> Sorry 20:51 <@RLim> yeah. Also not posting does not mean I will not vote for you 20:51 < Broken_Syntax> Leonard Parker 20:52 <+JohannWeiss> You should all post in the forum for nominees ASAP 20:52 <+JohannWeiss> https://www.pirateparty.ca/forums/2013-01-pc-election-nominations 20:52 <+TeamColtra> To those who can't find the "new post" it's hidden and looks like normal text 20:52 <+JohannWeiss> We can discuss any suggestions for what to do (like posting a video or not) in the threads there 20:53 <+JohannWeiss> Are any of you unable to do that? 20:53 <+TeamColtra> Right above the "Last Post" drop down 20:53 < Broken_Syntax> RLim, a decent idea. I'll give it some serious consideration, but once it's online, it's there for ever, so expect me to take my time and think out what I want to present. 20:53 <@RLim> understandable Broken_Syntax 20:54 <+darknyan> Same here. 20:54 <+CraigNobbs> I don't do videos like that. But I'll start an AMA style one for myself ... 20:55 <+CraigNobbs> ... if that's okay 20:55 <+JohannWeiss> If you are having trouble with anything, email the Exec board at exec@pirateparty.ca 20:55 <@RLim> assuming that e-mail is working JohannWeiss 20:55 <+JohannWeiss> You can also get my personal email by checking my profile in the forum (just login and look for a post I've made) 20:56 <+JohannWeiss> It's important that you all post, because we will need to get in contact with you somehow 20:56 < Broken_Syntax> wb again shawn. 20:57 <+JohannWeiss> This is the first time we 20:57 <@RLim> yeah as a minimum post something about yourself in the forum 20:57 <+JohannWeiss> 're using the current constitution for voting 20:57 <+JohannWeiss> We need to decide when the vote is going to start 20:58 <+JohannWeiss> It's supposed to happen before the next GM 20:58 <+JohannWeiss> Because that's when the EB is elected 20:58 <+pappasadrian> how is the vote conducted? 20:58 <+JohannWeiss> It's by approval 20:59 <+JohannWeiss> yes/no/abstain options 20:59 <+JohannWeiss> get 60% and your in 20:59 <+JohannWeiss> If there aren't 5 people to get +60%, then it's the top 5 20:59 <+JohannWeiss> The voting is on the homepage, using your site login 20:59 <+JohannWeiss> and it lasts a week 21:00 <+JohannWeiss> This is just for the PC, the Leader and Deputy Leader are decided at the next GM (with the EB) 21:00 <+JohannWeiss> Any questions about that? 21:00 < Broken_Syntax> Would be nice to have a decent PC to help cover everything, add some brains to the bucket and help keep quorum in the meetings. So let's see some dedication. 21:00 <+JohannWeiss> Absolutely 21:02 <+McGrath> If there are no further questions, can we continue? 21:02 <+JohannWeiss> Yes 21:02 <@RLim> I move that we start the voting in 2 weeks from now 21:03 <+Wilson> second 21:03 <+JohannWeiss> Any debate? 21:03 <+TeamColtra> January 30th 21:03 <+TeamColtra> ? 21:03 <+JohannWeiss> That would be 2 weeks 21:03 <@RLim> yes 21:03 <+pappasadrian> sounds good 21:04 <+CraigNobbs> Technically, 2 weeks (14 days) would be the 29th.... just sayin 21:04 <+CraigNobbs> lol... nvm. 21:05 <+CraigNobbs> <--- bad math skills 21:05 <+JohannWeiss> 60 sec to debate or we move to voting 21:06 <+McGrath> So, the motion is to open voting at 0:00 on the 30th, and for it to remain open for one week? 21:06 <+JohannWeiss> Yes 21:06 <+McGrath> When would the notice be sent out to members? 21:07 <+JohannWeiss> We will send out a notice about the nominees this week 21:07 <+JohannWeiss> Then a notice will go out when voting opens 21:07 <+McGrath> Works for me. 21:07 <+CraigNobbs> move to vote 21:08 <+JohannWeiss> We are now voting on the main motion: "to open voting for the Political Council at 0:00 on the 30th, and for it to remain open for one week". 21:08 <+pappasadrian> aye 21:08 <+JohannWeiss> all in favour, say aye all opposed, nay 21:08 <+McGrath> Aye 21:08 <+Sqratz> aye 21:08 <+pappasadrian> aye 21:08 <@RLim> aye 21:08 aye 21:08 <+RLeblanc> aye 21:08 < Broken_Syntax> aye 21:08 <+darknyan> Abstain 21:08 <+TeamColtra> aye 21:09 <+Wilson> aye 21:09 <+JohannWeiss> motion passes, 8 in favour, 0 against, 1 abstain. 21:09 <@RLim> aye 21:09 <+CraigNobbs> AYE 21:09 <+JohannWeiss> Plus 2 more in favour 21:09 <+CraigNobbs> well... that was a short window for voting 21:09 <+JohannWeiss> Sorry, just moving it along 21:09 <+JohannWeiss> it had enough to win anyways 21:09 <@RLim> lol ignore my 2nd vote. distracted 21:09 <+CraigNobbs> lol... Lim... cheatin again. XD 21:10 <+JohannWeiss> We have one item left on the agenda 21:10 <@RLim> again? lol 21:10 <+JohannWeiss> psema had an issue he wished to bring forward 21:10 <+CraigNobbs> ok 21:10 <+JohannWeiss> but psema isn't here 21:10 Earlier today PPRU put out a call for help on the PPI mailing list 21:10 <+JohannWeiss> there you are, sorry 21:10 http://lists.pirateweb.net/pipermail/pp.international.general/2013-January/013422.html 21:11 I'd like to move the Party generate a statement to be sent the Embassy of the Russian Federation. 21:11 <+pappasadrian> is this about the denial of official registration? 21:12 <+JohannWeiss> Yes 21:12 I think the provided template needs to be adjusted for our unique situation, but it would be good to voice solidarity 21:12 21:12 Checking in. 21:13 <+pappasadrian> i think that ppca has the capacity to write something on its own, without the template 21:13 Sorry for the lateness, been deep into ProxmoxVE 21:13 <+JohannWeiss> I will suggest that if we approve this, we add to the motion that the issue be forwarded to the PC, for completion (they can write it and post/send it to the relevant parties) 21:13 agree 21:13 <+JohannWeiss> psema4, care to write up a motion (also it will need a seconder) 21:13 k 1 sec 21:15 <+pappasadrian> JohannWeiss, the new one or the old one? 21:15 <+CraigNobbs> Wow. 21:15 <+CraigNobbs> That letter is REALLY strongly worded 21:15 <+JohannWeiss> pappasadrian, I'm unsure of what you are asking 21:16 <+pappasadrian> :the issue be forwarded to the PC" 21:16 <+pappasadrian> the new pc, that will occur after the vote, or the current one? 21:16 I move that the Pirate Party of Canada officially write and deliver a statement to the Embassy of the Russian Federation in support of the Pirate Party of Russia's registration ('Pirate Party'); this message should be written and approved by the Political Council 21:16 <+McGrath> Provided that the template be rewritten for us, I second. 21:16 <+CraigNobbs> Discussion! 21:17 <+TeamColtra> Second 21:17 < Ahmed> http://www.pp-international.net/node/523 pirate party of Russia got registered after all 21:18 that's from last year 21:18 <+pappasadrian> Ahmed, it has been founded, but it's not officially recognised 21:18 <+pappasadrian> it's been declined recognition twice 21:19 <+pappasadrian> because the name is misleading, and people might be confused with sea piracy 21:19 <+TeamColtra> ^this 21:19 <@RLim> same with Taiwan's pirate party 21:20 <+JohannWeiss> So it is still relevant 21:20 <+JohannWeiss> Discussion on the issue 21:20 <+JohannWeiss> go ahead 21:20 < Ahmed> This is just my personal opinion, but I don't think we should be involved in Russian politics 21:20 <+CraigNobbs> The provided template at http://piratenpad.de/p/PPRU_complaint is far too strongly worded and should be used extremely loosely as a template. 21:20 <+CraigNobbs> ... if at all 21:20 CraigNobbs++ 21:20 <+JohannWeiss> The Motion doesn't state that the template will be used at all 21:21 <+JohannWeiss> It will be written by the PC 21:21 <+CraigNobbs> good 21:21 < Ahmed> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_Russia 21:21 < Ahmed> "But after a series of mass protests and thanks to a 2011 European Court decision on Case of the Republican Party of Russia, the law was changed and the number of registered parties quickly increased to more than 48 in December 2012. About 200 parties are in creation stage (as 2012) according to the Justice Ministry website." 21:21 <+pappasadrian> as far as i understand russians, im not sure if the government will be happy with non-russians fiddling with internal political issues 21:21 < Ahmed> 48 parties up from 7 is quite a change, maybe all we need is to wait 21:22 <+JohannWeiss> They are still fighting this, 21:22 <+JohannWeiss> they just had a protest about the issue yesterday 21:22 <+JohannWeiss> "Pirate Party of Russia will hold a press conference on Tuesday, January 15. At the press conference will be declared the official position of the political movement's refusal to register, comments are unfounded claims of Justice, and presents plans for "Pirate Party" to protest illegal refusal of registration and further development of the party." 21:23 <+JohannWeiss> Off their official website (google translated) 21:23 <+pappasadrian> if we use this template, though, im afraid we'll start the 3rd ww 21:23 < Ahmed> Maybe we could come up with a more creative way to help them, instead of delivering a letter to the Russian embassy that they will use as toilet paper 21:24 <+CraigNobbs> Perhaps we should write an open letter showing our support for them, directed at the Russian government. 21:24 <+lcameron> #occupymoscow 21:24 Yeah ultimately it's about spreading the information that this happened in public relations 21:24 To our benefit 21:24 <@RLim> use a more diplomatic tone 21:24 < Ahmed> We have our own Putin to deal with 21:24 < Broken_Syntax> Ahmed, graphic, but agreed. 21:25 So why not just get someone to write an article describing what happened 21:25 < Broken_Syntax> CraigNobbs, I was in a similar thought. I have several media contacts I can ask to respond to the letter and get it recognition. 21:25 < Ahmed> Obviously we can't send them money... but we can provide VPN, secure e-mail, other things... just a suggestion 21:25 <+CraigNobbs> Yes.... Diplomacy is required when dealing with foriegn governments 21:25 * Broken_Syntax is more than happy to help with any infrastructure/admin duties related to such help. 21:26 There is no use directing the narrative at a foreign government 21:26 <+pappasadrian> svulliez, http://piratetimes.net/the-pirate-party-of-russia-refused-registration/ 21:26 <+JohannWeiss> Does someone have an amendment to the motion then? 21:26 <+adpaolucci> Well to provide them for proper VPN, secure email, etc we need to have our system ypu and running proper 21:26 <+adpaolucci> *with 21:26 <+adpaolucci> *up 21:26 Why should we pick a fight with a foreign government? We should compare the flaws in our electoral system to theirs 21:26 <@RLim> We could help defend their case and act more like a witness that Pirate Party is an international movement and not what their justice department said 21:27 svulliez: +1 interesting/insightful 21:27 <@RLim> so nto to pick a fight but kind of vouch for the name 21:27 We need to spin this event into something domestic or else it's wasted time 21:27 <@RLim> as a witness of sort 21:27 <+pappasadrian> or we could do both 21:27 <+pappasadrian> 1) letter to russia (embassy, open letter, whatever), stating that we support ppru 21:27 < Ahmed> as usual, svulliez raises salient points 21:27 < Broken_Syntax> lol RLim, that's what I said in my forum post :P 21:27 <+pappasadrian> 2) local press release about the need of more open and receptive government 21:28 <+CraigNobbs> we could always make them feel bad and say that their system is just as bad as those ..... Americans. =P 21:28 <+pappasadrian> nice one CraigNobbs 21:28 <@RLim> lol 21:28 <+McGrath> I move to amend the motion to be an open letter, posted publicly. A statement of solidarity, free of inflammatory language 21:29 < Broken_Syntax> " We need to spin this event into something domestic or else it's wasted time" I agree, and I believe an open letter of support for their situation, drawing attention to the name of the party could have the benefit of pinging off local constituents who have not yet heard of the Pirate Party, or don't understand the significance of it. 21:29 <@RLim> better vote on it soon while there is still quorum 21:29 < Broken_Syntax> That is, if the letter was careful to focus on the causes of the issue, and not the RU gov'ts issue with the party specifically. 21:29 <+JohannWeiss> Original: "I move that the Pirate Party of Canada officially write and deliver a statement to the Embassy of the Russian Federation in support of the Pirate Party of Russia's registration ('Pirate Party'); this message should be written and approved by the Political Council 21:30 <+JohannWeiss> Amendment: move that the Pirate Party of Canada officially write an open letter, posted publicly. A statement of solidarity, free of inflammatory language, in support of the Pirate Party of Russia's registration ('Pirate Party'); this message should be written and approved by the Political Council 21:30 I withdraw the motion; move to task the new Political Council to discuss and respond to the situation in a timely manner 21:30 < Ahmed> works for me 21:30 <+JohannWeiss> Any objections to just forwarding it to the PC? 21:30 <+CraigNobbs> nay 21:31 < Broken_Syntax> I agree with the wording for the motion. 21:31 <+pappasadrian> should there be a timeframe? 21:31 Great idea. 21:31 * Broken_Syntax looks at idea. 21:31 < Broken_Syntax> Even ebtter. 21:31 < Broken_Syntax> better* 21:31 <+CraigNobbs> Motion to move the issue to the new PC once elected. 21:31 < Ahmed> In solidarity, we could offer to translate their site into English 21:32 <+JohannWeiss> The original motion was withdrawn by the mover 21:32 That's so far off that it won't be relevant craig 21:32 <+pappasadrian> i disagree with that, the PC wont be elected before february, this is a current issue 21:32 You can help write it though if you'd like 21:32 <+JohannWeiss> Does Craigs motion have a seconder? 21:33 <@RLim> amend to just PC. so current PC can deal with it too? 21:33 ^ 21:33 <+CraigNobbs> agreed to the amendment 21:33 Any pc nominee who wants to attend PC meetings from now on are welcome to participate in an unofficial capacity leading up to the ol election 21:33 <+pappasadrian> RLim, seconded 21:33 <+McGrath> Agree with RLim 21:34 < Ahmed> you know, canada and russia have a lot in common 21:34 Rlims idea yes, my idea later 21:34 <+pappasadrian> Ahmed, yes. lots of snow 21:34 * psema4 snort 21:34 < Broken_Syntax> Motion as I understand: Request that the PC respond to the Russian "incident" RE: PPRU, that the Canadian Pirates as part of the international community are here to support them (and all Pirates) in the face of adversity and discrimination. 21:35 <+CraigNobbs> no 21:35 <+CraigNobbs> that's the old one 21:35 <+JohannWeiss> Motion to move the issue to the PC (The issue being: written support of the Pirate Party of Russia's problems with registration) 21:35 <+CraigNobbs> that was withdrawn 21:35 #chitchat for informal discussion friends 21:35 < Broken_Syntax> (I'm at work, trying to keep up.) 21:35 <+JohannWeiss> Craig, is my wording correct? 21:36 <+CraigNobbs> close enough. =) 21:36 <+JohannWeiss> Does it have a seconder? 21:36 <+pappasadrian> second 21:36 <+JohannWeiss> Any debate on the motion? 21:36 <+CraigNobbs> none here 21:37 <+CraigNobbs> vote now? 21:37 < Broken_Syntax> Current PC, write about solidarity. Got it. 21:38 timely manner 21:38 <+McGrath> Aye. 21:38 <+JohannWeiss> Voting is now open on the current motion: Motion to move the issue to the PC (The issue being: written support of the Pirate Party of Russia's problems with registration) 21:38 <+JohannWeiss> aye for yes, nay for no 21:38 <+CraigNobbs> AYE 21:38 <+pappasadrian> aye 21:38 aye 21:38 <+Wilson> nay 21:38 <+McGrath> Aye. 21:38 Aye 21:38 <+adpaolucci> aye 21:38 <@RLim> aye 21:38 < Broken_Syntax> aye 21:38 < Brent> Aye 21:38 <+Sqratz> aye 21:39 <+lcameron> aye 21:39 <+JohannWeiss> The motion passes, 12 in favour, 1 opposed 21:39 <+JohannWeiss> There is nothing left on the agenda. 21:39 <+CraigNobbs> move to adjourne 21:40 <+Wilson> second 21:40 I have a motion 21:40 <+CraigNobbs> withdrawn 21:40 <+JohannWeiss> Before we adjourne 21:41 <+JohannWeiss> shawn hsa his motion, but I'd also like to remind you all that nominations will be closed once the meeting is over, so if there are any last minute nominations for PC, speak up quickly 21:41 <+JohannWeiss> (if there's someone not here that you think might want to run, just say so) 21:41 <+JohannWeiss> I'll give shawn a few minutes to get back here 21:41 <+CraigNobbs> vulliez... get a better connection.... 21:41 <+TeamColtra> For the record I agreed with the last motion :) 21:41 <+McGrath> He needs a better connection 21:41 <+JohannWeiss> svulliez, you have the floor 21:42 Do all of the current PC get automatically nominated? 21:42 <+JohannWeiss> No 21:42 <@RLim> no 21:43 If not, I'd like to nominate any PC member not yet nominated 21:43 <+TeamColtra> I nominated JohannWeiss but I am guessing he declined 21:43 <+JohannWeiss> I did 21:43 <+TeamColtra> :( 21:43 <+JohannWeiss> Who is on the PC currently? 21:43 <+TeamColtra> broked mah heart 21:43 < JMcleod> I am late, but hi, happy to see a quorum! 21:44 <+JohannWeiss> svulliez: you, travis and James were all nominated 21:44 < Broken_Syntax> I imagine Johann will still be present frequently, and when he has the time, willing to share his advice and experience with the new council members. 21:44 <+JohannWeiss> Indeed 21:44 Jesse? 21:44 <+JohannWeiss> Well he got one thing in 21:45 <@RLim> consider that a nomination 21:45 <+JohannWeiss> Jesse Gaudet (I think that's the right spelling) is also nominated, pending approval 21:45 <@RLim> I believe Jesse have expressed interest 21:45 < Broken_Syntax> WB. 21:45 <+JohannWeiss> who else vulliez 21:45 <+TeamColtra> JohannWeiss CCitizen can't be present for meetings due to his work schedule 21:45 <+TeamColtra> so even if he is willing, he isn't given a fair opportunity to respond 21:45 Steve Henderson ? 21:46 <+JohannWeiss> They don't need to respond now, they just need to respond to me at some point in the next few days 21:46 < Broken_Syntax> TeamColtra, I'm grabbing a qwerty android (probably Ace Q) specifically for this reason. 21:46 <+TeamColtra> "next few days" JohannWeiss can you specify a deadline? 21:46 <+JohannWeiss> Steven Henderson is now nominated for PC 21:46 <+TeamColtra> Not to be a dick 21:46 Sorry, this wasn't my motion. 21:46 <@RLim> oh yeah forgot about Steve 21:46 <+JohannWeiss> There isn't one specified, it's just that they wont get to campaign at all./ 21:47 He works on weeknights 21:47 <+JohannWeiss> I suppose the deadline would be the 30th 21:47 <+TeamColtra> Okay :) 21:47 <+JohannWeiss> svulliez, your motion 21:47 I move that PC nominees be included in PC discussions between now and the election in a non-voting capacity 21:48 second 21:48 <+JohannWeiss> Any debate on the issue? 21:48 <+TeamColtra> None here 21:48 <+CraigNobbs> nope 21:49 < Broken_Syntax> No debate, comment: As a nominee I would appreciate the opporunity to observe the process. 21:49 <+JohannWeiss> Will vote in 2 minutes pending no request for debate 21:49 I think we need to get an idea of our comparative skill sets and start working as a team 21:49 <+pappasadrian> +1 21:49 < JMcleod> Q: Shouldnt it be opened to all members to observe? 21:50 <+TeamColtra> I love teams 21:50 < Broken_Syntax> s/opporunity/opportunity/g 21:50 <+CraigNobbs> no 21:50 <+JohannWeiss> It pretty much is already 21:50 Even those who aren't voted on should be included in the volunteer network we're starting to form 21:50 <+TeamColtra> I think he meant with an emphasis and participating and the motion makes them feel more comfortable providing their opinions 21:50 <+JohannWeiss> (it's up to the discretion of the chair at the time) 21:50 <+TeamColtra> emphasis on * 21:51 <+CraigNobbs> too many people commenting makes it difficult to work straight through the issues/topics.... look to tonight for example 21:51 <+CraigNobbs> ... or an GM for that matter 21:51 Living and working in Hawaii makes attending meetings difficult :S 21:52 <+Wilson> All members may observe meetings already making this motion somewhat redundant. What it should specify is nominees will be contacted about meeting times. 21:52 CraigNobbs: i have an idea for that, let me flesh it out and bring it up with it? 21:52 <@RLim> the chair of the meeting have the discretion to mute the room if it gets rowdy and disruptive 21:52 If all the nominees care about the pirate party it would be a shame to lose their hands so to speak 21:52 I'm imagining this correspondence would first be by email 21:52 <+CraigNobbs> I meant "no" to open to all. Yes to the nominees 21:53 <@RLim> yeah but being open to the public to observe promotes transparency 21:53 <+TeamColtra> I actually have to go to dinner now a friend is in town -- I have been ignoring him (for the party :) ) I think you can handle that too :) 21:53 <+JohannWeiss> Are we ready to vote? (60 sec) 21:53 <+CraigNobbs> restate motion please 21:54 <+JohannWeiss> "I move that PC nominees be included in PC discussions between now and the election in a non-voting capacity" 21:54 We have conversations via email, that I want nominees to be actively involved in planning the future of the party and getting idea of the work we need to do 21:54 <+JohannWeiss> Is that clear or are there questions about it? 21:54 <+CraigNobbs> sounds good. move to vote. =) 21:54 <+JohannWeiss> Voting on the main Motion: "I move that PC nominees be included in PC discussions between now and the election in a non-voting capacity" 21:54 <+CraigNobbs> AYE 21:54 < Broken_Syntax> svulliez, So essentially all the inbetween meeting and meeting prework that goes into actually making ideas into realities. 21:55 <@RLim> aye 21:55 <+pappasadrian> aye 21:55 <+Wilson> Aye 21:55 aye 21:55 <+McGrath> Aye 21:55 < Broken_Syntax> aye 21:55 <+kjwight> aye 21:55 <+lcameron> abstain 21:55 < JMcleod> (a few unvoiced people are voting, fyi) 21:55 Aye 21:56 <+JohannWeiss> JMcleod: Who? 21:56 * Broken_Syntax raises hand. 21:56  * psema4 raises hand 21:56 <+adpaolucci> aye 21:56 < Broken_Syntax> Just realised I don't ahve a voice today. 21:56 <@RLim> what happened? 21:56 <@RLim> I thought I've voiced both of you earlier 21:56 <+JMcleod> svulliez should raise his hand too :) 21:56 i may have lost mine with my battery :( 21:56 <@RLim> svulliex is missing on our records. lol 21:57 <+lcameron> channel is missing +m 21:57 It's my disconnects 21:57 <+JohannWeiss> Motion passes, 10 in favour, 0 against, 1 abstain 21:57 <@RLim> but he talks like svulliez so 21:57 <+JohannWeiss> (assuming they can all be verified) 21:57 <+Wilson> I motion we ajourn 21:57 <+CraigNobbs> move to adjourne 21:57 <+pappasadrian> second 21:57 <+JohannWeiss> I'll take that as a second 21:57 <+JohannWeiss> Voting on adjouring: 21:57 <@RLim> lcameron we only go +m if a non-member try to be disruptive 21:58 <+CraigNobbs> aye 21:58 <@RLim> aye 21:58 <+Wilson> Aye 21:58 <+kjwight> aye 21:58 < Broken_Syntax> aye 21:58 <+lcameron> aye 21:58 <+pappasadrian> aye 21:58 <+Sqratz> aye 21:58 <+svulliez> Nominees: email me shawnvulliez@gmail.com and we'll start talking about the Russian release with whoever on the council we can scrounge up 21:58 <+McGrath> Aye 21:59 <+JohannWeiss> Need a few more votes 21:59 <+JMcleod> aye 21:59 aye 21:59 <+svulliez> Aye 21:59 <+JohannWeiss> 11, that's a majority 21:59 <+JohannWeiss> meeting adjourned 21:59 <@RLim> mark your calendar for Feb 20th. Next GM meeting. I would encourage everyone to run for EB position. 21:59 <+JohannWeiss> What he said 21:59 <+JohannWeiss> Very important



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