GM 2014-09-17 transcript

  So who all is here?  I here  Hey MononcQc you see the email I sent you?  Wilson, party address or personal address?  I got the by-election thing on the pirate addr, nothing else  party email, always party email  thoughts?  are you going back permanently?  That is the intent, yes.  so if you win, are you cancelling these plans?  or would you rather run for your new hometown or something, albeit later  if you win won't you have allowance?  If I were to win obviously those plans would be cancelled. I'd have a hell of a time in 2015 though. Do I run in the riding I won or the one where I have more connections. That would be based on how I won.  On a related note. With the Liberals so high in the polls all the by-elections have been getting more attention so it is a good opportunity.  are you willing to live there? Although you are not a Senator and likely not same restriction but that will be your primary residence <Wilson> I have been living here for over a year now. Winning would just mean I'd have to stay longer. Although de facto I'd be in Ottawa. Still that is skipping a step: Should I run? <MononcQc> well you should do what's more convenient for you first I think <RLim> message me to get verified On the Internet, nobody knows your're a dog. :) <RLim> seems silly but to make it legit lol <RLim> please message your registered e-mail to me to get voice <CraigNobbs> Finally... was having issues with my IRC client. Hello all <RLim> ... hi CraigNobbs <MononcQc> hi <CraigNobbs> I have to leave in 45 minutes...just fyi <CraigNobbs> we should start this. =) Ric -- Was there an agenda? Sorry I have been MIA lately -- busy up to my eyeballs... I think the e-mail mainly said general brain-storming session. Where are we at with server? <Wilson> np btrower Good. Just for the record, fund raising is, IMO, our top priority <RLim> we should have more of this meeting or mumble. Because apparently talking is more productive than writing. And more can be gain from instant exchange From stats I did a few years ago, it seems that the best fund raiser is typically the winning candidate. <RLim> yep <RLim> you need money to reach as many people as possible I type for a living, so have no trouble with this, but wonder if mumble would be better for most. <CraigNobbs> ... or run on a campaign of no money spent. <CraigNobbs> it's unique <RLim> I was hoping for more non-regular to help suggest policies. <RLim> CraigNobbs: if you are in urban areas <RLim> let's lay out the roadmap <RLim> what do we want to discuss first. There have been some notable exceptions to the money rule, but they have all basically gotten resources for free that they would otherwise pay for. <RLim> yes <RLim> before we can start raising funds we need to catch people's imagination I am fine to have you drive, Ric <Wilson> fUND RAISING IS GENERALLY BETTER WHEN IT IS FOR A PURPOSE. sO HOW ABOUT WE DECIDE WHAT WE NEED FOR THE 2015 NATIONAL CAMPAIGN, START PUTTING NUMBERS TO THAT AND THEN LAUNCH FUND RAISING EFFORTS? <Wilson> soory caps >.< I think that most people are really starving for an alternative. They just do not believe one exists. <RLim> I might work with a local designer to create a brochure cover. <RLim> We need the policies <RLim> and before that maybe Vision, Mission and Values <RLim> Manifestor is so old school and limited <MononcQc> yeah, I'd like an objective, not a thing like "hm well I guess the pirate party's got to pay for the piratebay mirror now" <RLim> Here's a draft. Need work but hopefully that could be used as a starting point <RLim> thats why having values and policies could go a long way <RLim> prospective candidates could start holding local meetups or knocking on door <RLim> and share the policies <RLim> any interest in trying to work on the Mission statement right now? Agree with Ric I think we need to make light of our name, which most people would poke fun at: "Silly Name, Serious Issues" or something like that. <CraigNobbs> I have a policy <CraigNobbs> suggestion <RLim> you are PC you can just add it to my.pirateparty.ca :P <CraigNobbs> I am PC and I didn't <RLim> rekabis: I have an idea I would like to propose to 5 eye patch <RLim> maybe we can collaborate and work together on creating a funny video I was thinking about an eye patch today. <RLim> create a puppet model for program like After Effects <MononcQc> I'm gonna rant on the same thing I've been ranting forever, but who's the target audience, and what'S the message to pass <RLim> maybe a cute gentle looking pirate and a grayish grumpy sleazy one The problem we have with getting too silly is that the serious people, the big backers, might find us too radical to touch. <RLim> lots of funny clips could be created. From copyright monopoly to abusive officials Much like how the Rhino party was, even though it was a joke party. I think we really need to get someone who is good at this stuff to help us out. <CraigNobbs> I would like to propose that religion be stricken out of all official federal laws and documentation and that policy, laws, and regulations be made on scientifically proven facts and evidence. Craig -- large percentage of people are religious one way or another. <CraigNobbs> yes, but with all of those religions, they clash. If the laws remain neutral, no one is favored over another. even in terms of respect for religion, striking that language is a good thing I agree that we should have evidenced based policies and that the 'evidence' should be scientific in nature. <Wilson> Do you have a specific issue, Craig? Laws should, of course, not have any particular religion being endorsed. Is that what you meant? <RLim> so what is the best thing to work on right now that we can brainstorm about. <RLim> So the policies target completion date is November <RLim> to bring it to GM for approval then to all party member vote <CraigNobbs> That goes hand-in-hand with the next policy suggestion: That all religions that support and/or practice oppressive, hateful, or violent beliefs be made illegal unless reworked. <MononcQc> my best bet is: 1. finish the platform, 2. present it well and gamify it <RLim> CraigNobbs: I guess it is probably best to put that on my.pirateparty.ca and have a bit of discussion. get people participating in something small, fun. something that can go viral <RLim> One proposal to be posted is for unconditional support for democray for foreign policy <Wilson> If we want to go straight from PC to all-party vote there is nothing stopping us and frankly the completed document would hell to look at over IRC <RLim> with several conditions including non-religious I would like for us to put forth the idea that we mean to repeal and simplify legislation. <RLim> then you can relate to ISIS and caliphate as reasoning <CraigNobbs> I'll write something up and post in on our forums then <CraigNobbs> =) <RLim> Wilson: maybe we should start sending it to all party vote. Have to brush off the voting script RLim: more than anything, I'd like to rewrite those scripts. <RLim> It would be nice to have it in this format <RLim> https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=Policies2015 Not sure about all-party vote yet, since we do not have something substantial enough. <RLim> sample on one of the two policy there right now However, I think it would be good to open up the wiki and get the membership involved. <RLim> that way people know the rationale behind it <CraigNobbs> All party votes shouldn't be utilized until a 100% completed, final document with complete wording has been vetted and it's wording and context approved by the PC. <RLim> and also prepare defence against misinformation and common questions <MononcQc> I'd like to see the platform ready, and maybe a "how do we get there", which is often one of the largest questions. This can be a call to action to donate/get involved / pass the word / share ideas <RLim> But they can't vote on whole document since there might some that they like and some that they don't support <RLim> okay let's layout the roadmap <RLim> what's the plan? <RLim> complete the policies? <CraigNobbs> It's an all or nothing vote. They either support the proposition or they don't <CraigNobbs> If they don't, then they should have been part of the discussion to begin with One thing that I think is missing is a Canadian Pirate Party Manifesto. I know I could write one if I could find the time somehow... <RLim> CraigNobbs: are you serious? It's like "well we got a majority so we can do whatever we like" <RLim> :P <MononcQc> what if the vote fails btrower: +1 We need to bring our positions down to 'common cause' points that everyone can support. <CraigNobbs> Then it either goes back for rewrite to include proposed changes or gets dropped entirely, deppending on the support given in the votes <RLim> btrower: I think vision and mission with values will be more comprehensive than Manifesto <MononcQc> CraigNobbs, I see. <RLim> we already have a manifesto <RLim> well the vote should have textfield for comments RLim: I don't really distinguish between those... <RLim> https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=Manifesto <RLim> Values will give a glimpse of how we approach things. How we make decisions <RLim> Okay so first task is to get the policies completed. <RLim> I feel the copyright is lacking <RLim> we are trying to propose pragmatic and detailed solution instead of the old style motherhood statement found on major party's platform <Wilson> manifesto also here: https://www.pirateparty.ca/about/our-manifesto/ <RLim> that is longer than I thought. <RLim> I thought we have a short paragraph. :) a short paragraph or two will be better if we want people to read it a mission statement? <RLim> mission is paragraph. It kind of lay out what our immediate goal is <RLim> vision is like what we envision in the future <RLim> so immediate vs long term I have been thinking that Copyright law itself (going back the the statue of Anne) is an imperfect approximation of artists' moral rights (ie: control over the exhibition of their works) <RLim> let's have more mumble meeting <RLim> that way it will be faster to debate about policies than the slow pace of e-mail <RLim> and online post I think we should have local in-person meet-ups. <RLim> we need more members to get involved first there doesn't seem to be much interest on the forums for meet-ups <RLim> I think it goes back to having policies we can show to people <webchat_2959> forums are dead, welcome to 2014. Social media is where it is now. ^ <RLim> Our forum died when we pulled the plug on the old site <MononcQc> I'm never gonna be at an in-person meetup ever Forums were awkward to use. <RLim> but how do you get people engage we need a common communications platform something that merges the web, email and irc we need to have a goal, and communicate it effectively, in a way that most people can understand <MononcQc> have a list of things to be done, explicit directions on how to help if they agree with us (and let them figure out if they agree with ut) Re: engage -- different ways depending upon what is being said and done and with whom. <RLim> what is the best medium to encourage discussions <RLim> twitter is usually one way or few response <CraigNobbs> @Btrower: ** Our forums are awkward to use. <RLim> which one <RLim> front page of my.pirateparty.ca or the forum forum <CraigNobbs> both <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/forum/106 All the ones I have seen. Will take a quick look again. <RLim> Well people said the last one was bad too so it was discontinued as was the one before it I actually like reddit, but no one seems to want to use it. <webchat_2959> RLim: with goodie traps, like on twitter, But eventually, we will need a few good vloggers that can go on youtube, then our traps share the shit and boom, you have social media coverage. It's not hard really, once you have good & interesting vlogs. <RLim> webchat_2959: yeah <webchat_2959> vlogs = youtube channel in this age <RLim> we should have WIlson start doing a vlog :) <RLim> and some funny but classy video to poke fun at the issues and our name I have been doing this stuff a long time. When working, I collaborate using EMail, Wikis, Online meetings, conference calls, etc. It depends upon what you are doing. Wikis such as the one we currently have can be used to good effect to capture ongoing work. <RLim> not so much at our name. I am thinking more on the line of "we are the pirate of the information frontier. We guard it against the bad pirates who would like to hoard and control the information" EMail one to one is good for getting people's attention. I think a lot of these questions, depend on our target market, and I'm not sure we know exactly who that is. <RLim> that's why I propose creating two 3D animation character that can be animated using puppet feature of programs like After Effects Text messaging is used a lot in lieu of phone calls. <RLim> they could be a regular character doing vlog on various topics <Wilson> Guys, we seem to be drifting through different issues. <CraigNobbs> ... but that's how we roll  XD I think we should leave specific things calling for expertise like advertising know how to people who do it professionally. wilson: I think its good, just rapid fire and eventually we will strike gold They do a much better job. <webchat_2959> exactly RLim. The idea is that it has to be entertaining to the viewers and informational. Just information alone doesnt work. <RLim> yes but we need fund for that so back to fundraising :) <RLim> and some nice infographics btrower: can we afford that? We need to engage more volunteers and have them self-direct. <RLim> so there we accomplished something. COncentrate on infotainment Re: afford -- sure, if it is done on a volunteer basis. <RLim> I think we can do crowdfunding for specific projects We already have someone that designed some nice stuff for us on their own without us even asking. <RLim> But our merchadize pledge is not getting much attention other than for the flags. One batch of order so far Re: crowdfunding -- is that consistent with the laws that govern us? <RLim> yes <RLim> it's fundraising the merch is a bit expensive <RLim> we are not offering equity <RLim> yeah I am trying to find a local t-shirt maker <RLim> to bring down the price <CraigNobbs> ... Sorry guys. That's all the time I've got. I'll see you guys later. Sorry again. =( <MononcQc> well if we did everything right, people would subscribe to be members and we'd finance ourselves that way, wouldn't we? btrower: re volunteers: maybe use a bug tracker? <RLim> np see you CraigNobbs I would love to get a flag, but not for that price Re: attention -- we need to have something to look at. There needs to be a substantive message or people will drift away. <RLim> mordecai: I am afraid we can't find a lower flag maker <webchat_2959> Here's another thing, if you do any kind of site, vloging or otherwise, publicize the Party without making it all about the Party. That way, you circumvent EC regulations and you can use funds amassed from that to further develop it without it counting as a donation. (if it gets really big that is) MononQc: I agree <MononcQc> so I think what we may want is to still foster party membership, have people come to the party. Then maybe they'll find the swag interesting <webchat_2959> eg: have a flag stand out in the background of a political blog, without anything more. <webchat_2959> I just noticed I didnt introduce myself <webchat_2959> -- Jack :) <webchat_2959> on a formatted pc so i lost all passwords and stuff yeah, to be honest, I think we just need to start from the ground up. <MononcQc> what was the todo list standing at right now? 1. Finish the policies? iron out the policy and go from there <MononcQc> That sounds like a damn great start, ebcause policies are what we stand for and what we want to "sell" as an idea. hahaha yeah, there isn;t much else you can do if we don't have the policies <RLim> yes but we need help from professional copywriter or editor everything else kind of stems from that <RLim> who is good at concise and precise statement that can ignite people's imagination <Wilson> on the policy front: assuming the current batch is affirmed by the 25th we would need to start picking up the pace if we want to keep to schedule. <RLim> is there a way to go through the policies faster? <MononcQc> RLim, probably. We can do our own peer review for a while, internally. If it comes to be, hire a copyeditor for a few hours or something <RLim> I suggest we do that and have a mumble meeting also Perhaps I can convince a family member to write some stuff for us. <RLim> but MononcQc can still participate at the usual forum <RLim> and we can post what was discussed at mumble meeting on my.pirateparty.ca also RLim: I know a pro copywriter; not cheap tho <MononcQc> sure. Maybe at some point I'll be able to join up on mumble <RLim> oh yes we have a volunteer for press release editing <Wilson> RLim re: faster. Yah, vote on more at once <RLim> we should give specific task to members who volunteered <MononcQc> I've written a book, but am not good enough to do final copy-editing and whatnot. I can translate though, as usual <RLim> I started creating a mailing list. Maybe we'll add people in as soon as they volunteer and e-mail them more often Sigh. I actually know how to do so much of the stuff we need, but I have so little time. I feel bad that so much work has fallen on Ric and James <RLim> MononcQc: yeah we would need translators to make a french copy <MononcQc> right. I don't have as mch time as I'd like. why aren't we using social media to find volunteers for this stuff? <RLim> that's everyones problem <RLim> edules We still need to get a tighter more coherent message. The Internet is very, very 'spiky'. mordecai, there is the issue that most "social media" services are downright evil. <RLim> we are a volunteer run party with most members who have a busy work scheudle <RLim> *schedule We need to be prepared to parcel out tons of stuff and handle tons of communication rapidly once lightening strikes. <RLim> so try to increase the pace of policies discussion and approval but if we need someone to contribute a certain skillset, how do we get that message out otherwise? <RLim> oh yes btrower the proposed rapid reaction force Could we maybe just all communicate via Google Groups or something? <RLim> fell through again for lack of volunteers <webchat_2959> The problem with skillset is that if you do a job professionally, you cant just be a volunteer, EC dictates. webchat_2959, that is only a major problem for the self-employed. <RLim> yeah yeah, but what about students, or people who have a skill but don't neccesarily do it professionally? <RLim> we can use them mordecai if you know any sent them our way :) I do lots of stuff professionally including writing, creating graphics, programming, managing servers, managing people, etc, etc. <RLim> Task #1 - increase pace of policies discussion and approval hahaha, I don't have as many followers on social media to get the word out <RLim> I can do some videos and graphics but not as fast Surely I can use my skills as a volunteer somehow. <RLim> But I'd like to get the two animated character model done <RLim> we'll propose it to 5 eye patch to help out mordecai, sites like facebook throttle "stories" to less than 30% of your followers anyway. <RLim> another challenges after policy have been approved is final edits <webchat_2959> Thats why facebook is unreliable. Gaining a YT following is better, if you get it to go viral I'm not going to defend facebook, but I was more talking about all social media. But facebook is still a relevant tool, just as long as it's not the only one you are using. What are we allowed to do in terms of asking other Pirate Parties to feature us, lend us graphics, etc? <Wilson> Just a note: our facebook post about Ontario's proposal may have set a new record with over 9000 reach and 40+ shares. It and the china deal being confirmed are two good areas to comment on if we can get it together quickly. <Wilson> *proposal to tax netflix Yes -- that China thing actually has a bit of traction elsewhere (as it should). <webchat_2959> r/canada is Liberal run, they beat everyone to the race. r/CanadaPolitics is also biased, so we're running out of social media fast :S <webchat_2959> Twitter is probably the best bet at the moment. We were going top run a diaspora node at one point. Not sure what happened to it. We do no have to and should not choose a single medium. We should use whatever we can and see what sticks. <MononcQc> nobody uses diaspora <MononcQc> or let me rephrase <MononcQc> nobody who doesn't know about us is likely to be on diaspora webchat: I don't think we should limit ourselves to a single platform. MononcQc, exactly. <webchat_2959> mordecai, the point is to have something to go viral with, a quick reach to get views in the hopes people share it because they find an entertainment value in it. <MononcQc> the basic rule has often been that if you have good content, it will spread of its own, but yeah sure, we need content though hahaha, yeah exactly <webchat_2959> Honestly, I have no talent in forms of entertainment. I wish I did, but I'm a programmer, that should tell you all you need to know We also need instructions for people and materials they can use so that when they hit our site they can pick up and go to work on their own. Maybe we could set up a section of the forum for people to collaborate on producing content for distribution of various platforms. of course, we would need people to contribute I would prefer to work in the wiki if possible. The forums are pretty much torture for me... <Wilson> Anyways, I have to go. I'm going to try and get back into a strict 1 week/1 week voting schedule for the policies and work on more press releases (since we can send them out now). night. okay, well how about the same idea, but on the wiki? I'd like to recommend the services of my employer, but there's no way we could afford it for the foreseeable future The beauty of the wiki is that you can 'refactor' like crazy, never lose anything and always can tell who did what when. gnight wilson. <RLim> night <webchat_2959> RLim btrower, officially, all you need for edit access is to ask ;) <webchat_2959> Did you ever fix the Amex membership issue ? I also have to sign off. However, I will put something into the wiki tonight so that you can see recent changes... Amex as in American Express? g'night Wilson, btrower phillipsjk -- have had edit access since 2009... <webchat_2959> yeah phillips Or former It director did a clean-up. You may have to double-check. https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=User:Btrower <webchat_2959> when tyring to use amex on membership sign up, it gives an error as of a couple months ago any chance we could raise $30-40k in the next 6 months? <MononcQc> har har there is a small chance... not a joke <webchat_2959> to be honest, I dont think so. Its not impossible, but highly unlikely at the moment. psema4, would require some organization. Could be done with lots of active local pirate groups. where do you guys think we have the most members? I work for a company who does some image management type work, we're a full-spectrum development house Like what rough area? I think our members are fairly spread out. I could be wrong. As a consequence, urban centers will be hot-spots. <RLim> psema4 that would again go back to having a completed policies that is awesome and people can easily relate to <RLim> psema4: we can explore that option <RLim> I think we do need a professional pr or image management company to help kickstart theings <RLim> *things so kickstart it :P <RLim> A good one can land us on paper and get other media interested <RLim> we could <RLim> but we need a good writeup also on why we are asking for the funds <RLim> that could work not sure if kickstarter would let us, indigogo or similar though for sure <RLim> we could crowdfund on our own site but we don't have lots of visitors at this time <RLim> or do a viral video and add link to donate on our website <RLim> cheapest way without having to pay wiring fee and commissioned to indiegogo or kickstarter how do you do a viral video? <RLim> webchat_2959:have not looked at it yet. You could if you want <RLim> I can give you admin access I don't think there is really a formula <RLim> I am just busy with so much stuff I have to prioritize <RLim> hopefully the NFP filing will be done soon then on to next task <RLim> then need to work on my project also mordecai, one strategy mentioned earlier is do lots of videos, and one might stick. <RLim> mordecai: no formula. Make it funny (but not tasteless) and also an issue that people care about if we could get a personality like rick mercer, or markiplier... :) <RLim> btw Openmedia is releasing video on Monday <RLim> get Shawn Vulliez with his podcast yeah true, it would be good if we had a place to collaborate ideas for such content <RLim> he did our election time ad in short notice <RLim> who was behind pirate party radio <RLim> if I have more time I'd do more videos <MononcQc> I'd stil llike to write the little things like crack-shack-or-mansion <MononcQc> "copyright infringement or fair use" <MononcQc> get people ocnfused, ask for better copyright law <MononcQc> pirate party ,etc. <RLim> yeah even really short one <RLim> "Why is Pirate Party good for independent artist?"... RLim: can't recall the handle, but archives at * http://rantmedia.ca/piratepartyradio/ <RLim> A good infographics would be nice fair dealing is the Canadian term. (Maybe we can exploit that for a video: both probably allow things the other does not.) <MononcQc> RLim, also that stuff is easy to share on facebook, requires no data, no nothing <RLim> post your ideas at my.pirateparty.ca under ideas <webchat_2959> RLim, what does the site run on, is it drupal? <RLim> yeah civicrm <MononcQc> I had abunch of them listed out 3-4 months ago but I don't save logs for this channel :( MonocQc: I have mostly complete logs of the channel (with some gaps) <RLim> we are using elavon? <RLim> so we have plugin for them so might just need a bit of tweaking to add amex <MononcQc> phillipsjk, if you can find links to "crackshackormansion" there's probably an entire night of ideas. <webchat_2959> yeah, im looking into how it works <webchat_2959> you can already select amex in the dropdown <MononcQc> I,m on a plane to and from a conference early next week, I could even try to prototype a few, get them on some free hosting <webchat_2959> but then it gives an error upon payment <MononcQc> I just need the ideas back :B <RLim> hmm I might have to check with Elavon <webchat_2959> Mononc goes to conferences, he must be a multimillionaire... PKP! <RLim> MononcQc: post it on my.pirate.... ideas as soon as you thought of it <RLim> bring a pen and paper <RLim> or smartphone <RLim> what happened to James O'Brien <RLim> ? <RLim> of Pirate Radio <RLim> no interest so he stopped? can no longer recall :( don't think it was a lack of interest though <RLim> MononcQc: I might have saved it somewhere. I remember you saying you are not writing it down. But then it is probably buried in layers of subfodlers in one of my computer. So layers of folders and number of possible places it is stored at. Unless I posted it at my.pirate RLim: http://smf.rantradio.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=86db1d5e8d0bf439955edcd232291b42&topic=3244.0 lol, oops <RLim> so I guess our task is accelerate policy discussion and approval. nevermind the session data ;) <RLim> DO a nice edit. We need forum for drafting the FAQ and rationale section for each policies <RLim> the idea I have for front cover of the Visions and Policies brochure is a purple book <RLim> our balck ship from here https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=Branding_guide <MononcQc> RLim, if you got grep installed (or search), looking for 'http://www.crackshackormansion.com/' as a string should reveal the logs :) <RLim> and background is purple waves like sailing in oceans with different tint or gradients of purple <MononcQc> I remember linking to it a few times <RLim> and rays of sun in purple also <RLim> then at the abck is a wooden plank wth words like copyright monopolies falling into the water down below. ALA being made to walk the plank <RLim> Not sure how it will look but will try to work with a designer RLim: that image (and others) appear to be missing from the branding guide <RLim> what iamge <RLim> the one I am talking about the black ship <RLim> ? <RLim> it's down there <RLim> in svg file <RLim> https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=File:PPCA_ship.svg <MononcQc> brb quick shower hmm, k - i see 8 missing images at <RLim> purple wave <RLim> like orange crush of NDP lol https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=Branding_guide <RLim> oh? <RLim> missig as broken image on your browser? yeah <RLim> weird (all of classic red, logo on dark and the ship) <RLim> might be the crappy purple flag image <RLim> need to be redone they are all working for me <RLim> it is not proper svg <RLim> plus the color was changed a little bit <RLim> looks fine on my screen also <RLim> so 3 main things to work on <RLim> policies <RLim> final edits with rationales and FAQ and retort to common misinformation <RLim> and work on vlogs hmm, seems to be broken when I load the url in Opera, but working fine in firefox <RLim> or infographics rlim: i think we should just work on content creation in general <webchat_2959> RLim - actually there is maybe no issue with evalon <webchat_2959> DECLINED:0770380009:SERV NOT ALLOWED: The customer's credit card company does not allow them to purchase products from your business type. The card cannot be used to purchase from your business. work on some slogans, collaborate on general ideas which can be translated to different mediums: posters, image macros, videos, etc. Sounds like you should find a different payment method then. <webchat_2959> So I'll call them when I get a second <webchat_2959> Well if true, we have to remove Amex from payment options <webchat_2959> but first, we'll see if its true webchat_2959, we don't accept credit cards directly: only through pay-pal. <RLim> mordecai: <RLim> there's been some attempts <RLim> https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=Draft_Vision_and_Mission <MononcQc> back. phillipsjk found anything? <RLim> https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=Draft_Vision_and_Mission#Slogan <RLim> more suggestions would help <webchat_2959> phillipsjk : https://my.pirateparty.ca/civicrm/contribute there is no paypal option RLim: huh, haven't seen this... <webchat_2959> this link instead: https://my.pirateparty.ca/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=1 <MononcQc> innovativeness -> innovation <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/node/217 MononcQc: +1 <RLim> anything to add as summary of tonight's suggestions <RLim> webchat_2959: paypal and bitcoin is here <RLim> https://www.pirateparty.ca/donate/ <RLim> MononcQc: thanks. Edited RLim: again, I wouldn't concentrate on blogs alone, but it would be good to establish a team for content creation in general. *vlogs MononcQc, I was apparently searching with the wrong user-name, but no, nothing relevant. I think open media does a good job of promoting themselves and their message. Can we emulate that? <MononcQc> crap. Well I'll either go with the only idea I remember or keep pestering rlim :B <MononcQc> mordecai, the question will then become -- what are we doing differently from openmedia? Why should they contribute to us and not them? <webchat_2959> Member for    9 months 4 days - is that membership left or membership since? MononcQc: I guess because our message isn't the exact same, even though we do overlap on many issues. I just meant their social media strategy. We cover more issues, like mincome and other things that go beyond the net. <RLim> how long ago was this from MononcQc <RLim> ? Though you make a good point. <RLim> probably since import <RLim> to new system <RLim> yeah like secret trade treaty <RLim> open media is usually quiet on that <MononcQc> RLim, oh boy. That was probably around the time we established the voluntary-unstructured committee to gather data that never did anything <webchat_2959> Oh ok, I was gonna say you cant keep on giving free time if I wasnt expired lol <MononcQc> possibly on the night this was voted in <RLim> lol <RLim> probably in my old hard disk then <RLim> lol <MononcQc> is this a synonym of 'lost' ? <MononcQc> that's aliright, we'll find more ideas :B <RLim> no it's a synonym of "I am too lazy to dust it off and boot it right now" <MononcQc> oh ok <RLim> that's before my.pirateparty.ca? <RLim> Because I try to post thing there rightaway <RLim> mordecai: updated to mention about the team <webchat_2959> RLim: sent you an email <MononcQc> RLim, no after <MononcQc> let me find a date <MononcQc> https://my.pirateparty.ca/node/184 this was a bit before then <MononcQc> general meeting before Thu, 03/27/2014 is a good candidate MononQc: what are you looking for> ? <RLim> MononcQc: idea <RLim> if anyone saves their irc log <RLim> maybe do a search <RLim> :) MononcQc, it got trimmed out to the January an February Transcript. <MononcQc> mordecai, it was a bunch of ideas I had of things to do for marketing that I could try prototyping fairly quickly <MononcQc> I don't save logs because they tend to kill my VPS We should be able to set up the server to save logs. pen and paper is king Would interfere with a general "no logging" policy though. I move to adjourn, since we are mainly talking about finding old logs. <MononcQc> seconded <RLim> Why doesn't drupal have a search user function? Do we even have a chair at the moment? <MononcQc> this the meeting that never ends I didn't think we were even having a formal meeting? <MononcQc> did we reach quorum OK, I will wander away then. i don't beleive so <RLim> I think we did <RLim> craignobbs and wilson left that would bring us to 8 with what we have now <RLim> or 9 including you <RLim> Did you cound me and phillipsjk <RLim> ? oh yeah, I forgot i got disconnected. yeah, that would be 9 oh, and craignobbs but he left a while ago oh, and wilson, so yeah, I guess we did make quorum never mind, I'll shutup now <RLim> it was a bit chaotic. Organized chaos :P also, we may want to think of creating something we can submit to /r/basicincome, since they have over 17,000 subscribers do we have a talk like a pirate day message? <RLim> we should <RLim> last year you did a good one <RLim> I can't remember now but if I remember correctly you did something <RLim> mordecai that will be our final paper on Mincome <RLim> which I should start working on <RLim> I need help gathering government expense data <RLim> I collected various information just have to do the writeup <RLim> anyways. I am going to try my hands on Star Trek Online. Have not played a game in eons. All work no play makes me a dull boy. lol <RLim> night for now. oooh.. star trek axanar - have you seen the preview? <RLim> oh? 1 sec http://www.startrekaxanar.com/ <RLim> what type of game? preview's like 20 minutes <RLim> I like strategy and galaxy exploring and building it's a crowd funded movie <RLim> rpg <RLim> wow really 25 years before kirk in the primary timeline <RLim> hope no big studio is behind it or that will just be wrong nope, but they got permission if they don't do any commercial activities =) <RLim> what do you mean? Just by donation then? That's the way to go <RLim> I <RLim> I'll donate more than I pay for movies and dvds if it comes out good it's all on the website, check the faqs too :) <webchat_8471> RLim still here? Check email again <RLim> episode? Is that a series? <RLim> nvm <RLim> did not finish reading <RLim> there's a 20 minute prelude <RLim> you already said that <RLim> my brain is not working anymore lol <RLim> It looks good <RLim> you can make cheap movies with greenscreen <RLim> assuming you have the animator talents willing to forego payment until the project is done <RLim> Good job in previeweing their skills <RLim> *previewing <RLim> they can do better post-production their kickstarter page shows better than $600k raised for the prelude :) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/194429923/star-trek-axanar <RLim> You mean that's it for $600,000 <RLim> No wonder they have good animation <RLim> it's more like documentary style <RLim> nvm it is for full length <RLim> shot in two days for prelude but the animation I am sure took longer <RLim> their goal was 100,000 <RLim> lower goal gets more support. <RLim> Too high of a goal and people tend to give up and think it's unachievable <RLim> I am out for the night. Bookmarked it.
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