EB 2012-10-14 transcript



Log times are in Canadian Central Time.

18:31 <@JMcleod> Who is here? 18:31 < RLim> I am here 18:31 Reporting in 18:32 <@RLim> Do we have minutes from September 30? 18:32 <@JMcleod> (voicing non voting members) 18:32 < Wilson> i am present 18:32 <@JMcleod> need one more for quorum 18:35 <@Wilson> Well, while we wait for that. I have something I'd like to bring up after we get the website out of the way. (namely, a specific motion to give the Edmonton group access to the Edmonton member emails and in general discuss our policy on this. 18:35 I'm here 18:36 <@JMcleod> I have no real business, ive begun looking at constitution but nothing to show this week 18:36 <@JMcleod> Shawn or RLim have any business for EB? 18:37 <@RLim> No. Any reason why Johann deleted the Sep 12 mintues and transcript? 18:37 <@RLim> I guess teh date says 12 when it should be 16th 18:37 <@shawn> no idea 18:37 <@RLim> but I can edit that without deleting the whole thing 18:38 <@RLim> any minutes or transcript from 23rd and 30th? 18:38 <@JMcleod> Yeah thats what he did, he recreated it 18:38 <@JMcleod> Because he couldnt figure out how to get it to change otherwise 18:38 <@RLim> oh ok maybe the wiki link just was not updated 18:39 <@RLim> hmm he deleted the minutes from 16th also. But it was created 18:40 < JakeDaynes2> Hey all 18:40 <@JMcleod> hello Jake 18:40 <@RLim> hi Jake 18:40 <+JakeDaynes2> So - just to update you all about recent progress 18:40 <+JakeDaynes2> I've set up forced SSL on the site and forced www.pirateparty.ca for the domain 18:40 <@JMcleod> go ahead while we try to find our minutes ;) 18:41 <+JakeDaynes2> I've also imported two of the press releases from the https://old.pirateparty.ca site 18:41 <+JakeDaynes2> Since they've been reposted with the date of posting, they're not at the top of the list though 18:41 <+JakeDaynes2> I've also advised Shawn on how to post to the front page and will advise everybody here as well. 18:42 <+JakeDaynes2> Permission issues regarding IT not having full access have been resolved and PP Iceland has been given a copy of the site theme 18:43 <+JakeDaynes2> PPUS has also requested a copy and will be sent one soon 18:43 <+JakeDaynes2> Any questions so far? 18:43 <@JMcleod> BMO solved yet? 18:44 <@JMcleod> CCitizen: Are you here? 18:44 <@JMcleod> Hey 0x 18:45 Hey JMcleod 18:46 <+JakeDaynes2> Shawn - you there? 18:46 <@shawn> yep, hello 18:46 <@JMcleod> Anyone OP = someone who responded and votes on EB issues 18:46 <+JakeDaynes2> hey - did you get the email about PPCZ and being censored? 18:46 <@JMcleod> Voiced = people alived 18:46 <@JMcleod> (that cant vote on EB) 18:47 <+JakeDaynes2> Just to clarify - as President of the fund - am I on hte EB too now? 18:48 <@RLim> Hmm. Probably a good idea that the President of the fund is a member of EB 18:49 <@RLim> if not we can make a motion to make that official 18:49 <+JakeDaynes2> Just wanted to know - not necessarily looking to be 18:49 <@RLim> minutes updated 18:49 <@RLim> missing Sep 30 18:49 <@RLim> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/Executive_Board 18:49 <@JMcleod> You are a non-voting-non-quorum member of the EB 18:49 <+JakeDaynes2> :) Thanks Jack 18:50 <@JMcleod> but we also made it so anyone can chat with us 18:50 <@JMcleod> ah theres Johann 18:50 <@RLim> hey JohannWeiss 18:50 <+JakeDaynes2> :) 18:50 < JohannWeiss> Hey 18:50 <@JohannWeiss> Sorry, slept for 13 hours 18:50 <@JMcleod> Johann, do you have minutes for last 2 weeks of Sept.? 18:51 <@RLim> I've found the ones for 16th and 23rd and updated the link on wiki 18:51 <@JMcleod> ok so missing 30th 18:51 <@RLim> yeah 18:51 <@JMcleod> I wasnt here that day 18:52 <@RLim> there was a motion to remove jeremy's e-mail on Sep 9th e-mail. 18:52 <@JohannWeiss> I thought you (JMcleod) did the minutes for last week, I wasn't at that meeting 18:52 <@RLim> Is that the pirateparty.ca e-mail? 18:52 <@JMcleod> last week = oct 7th 18:52 <@RLim> last week was cancelled due to Thanksgiving 18:52 <@JMcleod> but Sept. 30th I wasnt there 18:52 <@JohannWeiss> I was not either 18:52 <+JakeDaynes2> Nor was I 18:52 <@RLim> Probably no quorum 18:53 <+JakeDaynes2> I think so 18:53 <@JMcleod> ok 18:54 <@RLim> ok I am removing mention of Jeremy's pirateparty.ca e-mail on Sep 9th transcript 18:54 <@JMcleod> it was his real email he wanted to have remove I thought 18:55 <@JohannWeiss> I believe I did that during the meeting it was brought up 18:55 <@RLim> oh ok 18:55 <@JMcleod> Yeah you did 18:55 <@JMcleod> ok anything wrong with Sept. 23rd minutes? 18:55 <@RLim> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EB_2012-09-23_minutes 18:56 <@JohannWeiss> Sounds good 18:56 <@JMcleod> OK minutes are approved 18:56 <@JMcleod> Wilson, our new DL and now member of EB has business for us I believe :) 18:57 <@JMcleod> is Wilson awake? 18:58 hey guys sorry about the delay 18:58 <@JMcleod> hey scshunt 18:58 <@Wilson> srry im back 18:58 <@JMcleod> Go ahead with your business 18:58 <@Wilson> kk bear with me 19:00 <@Wilson> The Edmonton group has requested access to PPCA member emails in Edmonton. I would like to motion these emails be given to them and a policy be developed in regards to local organizing going forward. 19:00 <+scshunt> RLim: While we're here, where's the most recent copy of the constitution? Can you please remove all the others? 19:00 <@RLim> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/Constitution_2012-06-20 19:00 <@RLim> That's the link from the front page 19:00 <@RLim> kept the rest as historical 19:01 <@RLim> with link at the bottom of the latest one 19:01 <+scshunt> k 19:02 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: The Edmonton group has requested access to PPCA member emails in Edmonton. I would like to motion these emails be given to them and a policy be developed in regards to local organizing going forward. 19:02 <@JMcleod> Is this possible, JakeDaynes2? 19:03 <@RLim> Civicrm? 19:03 <+JakeDaynes2> giving them access to just the edmonton emails? no 19:03 <+JakeDaynes2> Giving them a csv of the emails yes 19:03 <+scshunt> They should not have a CSV of the emails 19:04 <@RLim> maybe just give someone access to mail out on civicrm ? 19:04 <+scshunt> We cannot coordinate our mailouts and unsubscriptions, etc. if we give them that 19:04 <@Wilson> I was thinking more do it manually. I already have a partial by-riding list of emails in text format 19:04 <@RLim> Not sure how we can limit to a mailout 19:04 <+scshunt> Wilson: that should be gotten rid of 19:04 <@RLim> filtered by say Edmonton address? 19:04 <+JakeDaynes2> actually - let me check something 19:04 <+scshunt> PC has already allowed PC members to approve local mailouts 19:04 <+JakeDaynes2> I might be able to give them access to a specific group 19:04 <+scshunt> I offered to do so for Vaughn, but can't until the unsubscription problem is sorted 19:05 <@RLim> yeah through civicrm is probably the best so there's no csv e-mails floating around 19:05 <@RLim> we don't want to make the headline. Edmonton Pirate party's e-mail stolen on usb key left in the car. 19:05 <@RLim> lol 19:05 <+scshunt> more than that, we need to be able to let people unsubscribe 19:05 <+JakeDaynes2> They can, currently 19:06 <+scshunt> we can't do that if we have multiple copies of mailing lists going around 19:06 <+JakeDaynes2> ah 19:06 <+JakeDaynes2> fair enough 19:06 <@RLim> I think unsubscribe is working. no? 19:06 <+JakeDaynes2> yes 19:06 <+scshunt> sort of 19:06 <@RLim> I think it's just the old unsubscribe from previous crm was not transferred 19:06 <+scshunt> currently selective unsubscribe doesn't work 19:06 <+scshunt> so people opt-out of ALL email 19:06 <+scshunt> this is a Bad Thing 19:06 <+JakeDaynes2> but what scshunt is saying is that if they are emailing and somebody unsubcribes - it wouldn't update our list 19:06 <@RLim> oh yeah 19:06 <@RLim> selective unsubscribe 19:06 <@JMcleod> CSV not a good idea. 19:06 <+JakeDaynes2> scshunt: I think that connecting with mailchimp could fix that 19:07 <+scshunt> JakeDaynes2: Or using subscription groups correctly 19:07 <+scshunt> and updating the links 19:07 <@RLim> here's my old proposal 19:07 <@RLim> Add options: default: meeting notice and important notice only 19:07 <@RLim> subscribe to news and opportunities updates - news about PPCA and volunteer opportunities. 19:07 <@RLim> Subscribe to volunteer opportunities only 19:07 <+scshunt> (to the selective unsub pages rather than the global opt-out) 19:07 <@RLim> Subscribe to news only 19:07 <+JakeDaynes2> fair enough 19:07 <+scshunt> RLim: manipulating those options directly is not something I know how to do yet 19:08 <@JMcleod> But back to orginal motion 19:08 <+scshunt> yes, that's what we should have, but currently the only way I know of to do it is have someone unsubscribe when they receive an email 19:08 <@JMcleod> It is technologically not possible to give access to only email people from a certain region at the moment? 19:08 <+JakeDaynes2> correct 19:09 <@Wilson> Q: if the edmonton list included an 'email back to unsubscribe' option and they made sure to tell us of any unsubscriptions, would seperate lists work then? 19:10 <@RLim> but we can create a mailing group filtered by address? 19:10 <+JakeDaynes2> RLim: yes 19:10 <@RLim> and then give James or a rep of Edmonton access to that mailing group only? 19:10 <+JakeDaynes2> Wilson: it's too messy - you won't want to do that 19:10 <+scshunt> I have a question 19:11 <+JakeDaynes2> ? 19:11 <+scshunt> Isn't this fundamentally a PC question, not an EB one? 19:11 <+scshunt> Access to mailouts 19:11 <+scshunt> or, actually, I guess this is internal communication 19:11 <+scshunt> nevm 19:11 <@Wilson> internal communication is EB 19:11 < CCitizen> hey 19:11 <+JakeDaynes2> CCitizen: BMO? 19:11 <@RLim> hey Patrick 19:11 <@JMcleod> Hey CCitizen 19:12 <@CCitizen> Gonna go Monday 19:12 <+JakeDaynes2> okay 19:13 <@JMcleod> Ok - so can it be instead that mailouts go through VP? (as coordinator) 19:13 <@RLim> JakeDaynes2, were you able to see if ours (specifically mine) went through ok? 19:13 <+JakeDaynes2> We won't know until Patrick goes in 19:13 <+JakeDaynes2> but I know mine was put through pending yours and his 19:13 <@RLim> oh ok 19:13 <@RLim> DO you want to give Patrick your number in case they want to speak to you 19:14 <+JakeDaynes2> Already did 19:14 <@RLim> I know at one time they asked if there is a letter from the President or if I can contact you 19:14 <@RLim> oh ok 19:14 <@JMcleod> back to motion now 19:15 <@JMcleod> its not technologically possible, so how do we make it happen? 19:15 < Patrick> I'm gonna connect from my gaming machine for the time being 19:15 <+JakeDaynes2> I need to do more research 19:16 <+scshunt> I don't think we really need it to happen. 19:16 <+scshunt> It's easy enough to have a person or group of people to authorize mailouts 19:16 <+scshunt> a large number of people have CRM access 19:16 <@RLim> I guess we can assign James Wilson to be their point contact? 19:17 <@RLim> rest of us can help out if needed 19:17 <@JMcleod> Well its not even possible right now so the motion as is, is dead 19:17 <+scshunt> Hey Sid! 19:17 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 19:18 <+JakeDaynes2> https://www.pirateparty.ca/civicrm/mailing/subscribe?reset=1 19:18 <+JakeDaynes2> Unsubscribe options fixed 19:18 <@RLim> I guess the key is for them to be able to send a mailout quickly if neede 19:18 <@RLim> *needed 19:18 <+scshunt> JakeDaynes2: you fixed the unsub options in the bottom of each mail? 19:18 <@JMcleod> Does PC have access to mailouts? 19:18 <+scshunt> JMcleod: yes 19:18 <+JakeDaynes2> scshunt: testing, should auto-fix 19:19 <@JMcleod> Oh so perhaps just a short how-to mail a region only and anyone from PC or EB would be able to mail out several regions 19:20 <@RLim> Wilson is that ok that we have current EB and PC do the mailout for them? 19:20 <@Wilson> @JMcleod: yes that would be helpful 19:20 <@RLim> ok 19:20 <@Wilson> I'll explain the EBs reasoning 19:20 <+scshunt> JakeDaynes2: there are two separate links to provide 19:20 <+scshunt> one is the unsubscribe link 19:20 <+scshunt> and one is the opt-out link 19:20 <+JakeDaynes2> yes - I know 19:21 <+scshunt> I'd say both should be in each mail 19:21 <+JakeDaynes2> just saw that 19:22 <@JMcleod> Any other business? 19:22 <@RLim> is Jeremy here? 19:22 <+JakeDaynes2> website questions? 19:22 <@JMcleod> We were asked to be here for something about the website 19:22 <+scshunt> Can we kill the forums? 19:22 <@RLim> the whole forum? 19:22 <+JakeDaynes2> We can - my question is why? 19:22 <+scshunt> because the current forums suck 19:23 <+Patrick> Yes the forums do suck :( 19:23 <@RLim> I guess we can wait until we come up with alternatives 19:23 <+JakeDaynes2> As i've said several times - if people would give me specifics then I can change them 19:23 <@JMcleod> Patrick & CCitizen = same person? 19:23 <+scshunt> yes 19:23 <+JakeDaynes2> but going around telling me the forums suck isn't coming up with a solution 19:23 <+JakeDaynes2> and complaining without offering a solution is pretty pointless 19:23 <+scshunt> JakeDaynes2: the colour scheme is unsuitable for lots of reading 19:23 <@Patrick> Yes 19:23 <@Patrick> CCitizen is my general computer hehe 19:23 <+scshunt> well, theme in general 19:24 <@RLim> You know what I would suggest? :P 19:24 <+scshunt> colours scheme is a large part of that 19:24 <+JakeDaynes2> Vanilla? 19:24 yo 19:24 <@RLim> lol 19:24 <+scshunt> I don't have much against the software itself 19:24 <@RLim> hi Jeremy 19:24 <@jhowell> hi 19:24 <+scshunt> in fact, it has some features I like 19:24 <@Wilson> The coding for the new forum has been a problem as well imho 19:24 <+scshunt> I just find the act of actually reading posts to be a visual chore 19:24 <+scshunt> Wilson: oh? 19:24 <+JakeDaynes2> okay - then that can be tweaked 19:24 <+JakeDaynes2> do you have firebug? 19:25 <+scshunt> I have chrome 19:25 <+JakeDaynes2> okay - then tamper with the client side code a bit and see what looks good and we can implement it 19:25 <@Wilson> Sean: the previous forum was simple to post, it did its job. The new setup has been a pain repeatly to format 19:26 <+JakeDaynes2> we haven't repeatedly formatted it? 19:26 <+scshunt> Wilson: can you explain more? 19:26 <+JakeDaynes2> I've made 2 changes that people have come up with to make it easier 19:26 <+scshunt> JakeDaynes2: I have no experience in web design :( 19:27 <@RLim> Are there Drupal modules for other type of forums? 19:27 <@Patrick> we need to pick a new forum software I think 19:27 <+scshunt> Ok, let's pull this apart into two things 19:27 <+JakeDaynes2> Advanced forums is the primary one, I can look into others 19:27 <+scshunt> First off, let's talk about the software 19:27 <@Patrick> even if we dont keep all the old stuff visible 19:27 <+scshunt> What do people have against the software? Are they minor features that can be changed, or major changes that need serious reworking? 19:27 <+JakeDaynes2> thank you 19:28 <+scshunt> In particular, any sort of themeing stuff is *not* a software problem 19:28 <@Wilson> Sean: for instance, the html, partial html, plain text, & pirate pad option. I question the usefulness of having all of them when some features work in one but not another 19:29 <+JakeDaynes2> Wilson - that's not a hard fix actually, and i hadn't realised they were all enabled 19:29 <@jhowell> instead of starting from complete scratch, are there any forums (pirate party relatives or not) that have been frequented by any of you, and have features that stand out as useful to it? 19:29 <@JMcleod> I consider facebook as a forum 19:30 <@jhowell> it is, in the same way reddit is 19:30 <@RLim> hmm never noticed there's new and updated topics tab 19:30 <@RLim> :P 19:30 <@jhowell> which btw: http://www.reddit.com/r/PPCA exists 19:31 <@jhowell> dunno who esun is but if its something we can acquire off of them, we might want it even if we do not use it 19:31 <@JMcleod> Well, first, Id make forums its own separate link 19:31 <@RLim> I don't like reddit 19:31 <@JMcleod> instead of having it down in participate 19:31 <+scshunt> RLim: that's one of my favourite features 19:31 <@jhowell> @rlim--its fine, but just because you do not, does not mean its something we should not avoid just because. IP is IP 19:32 <@RLim> yeah 19:32 <@jhowell> rather control and not use, vs have it go cowboy on us, make sense? 19:32 <@RLim> I should probably pay attention to unaswered topics also 19:32 <+scshunt> Reddit's software is OSS 19:32 <@RLim> except for their cheating prevention 19:33 <+JakeDaynes2> scshunt: unsubscribe is fixed and working 19:33 <+scshunt> JakeDaynes2: sweet 19:33 <+JakeDaynes2> we just need to add more groups and drop everybody into them - groups need to be set as Public Pages and Mailing List in the Create Group option 19:34 <@RLim> I don't think listing post by number of upvote is a good idea also 19:34 <@RLim> reddit rely on that 19:34 <@jhowell> well, its quite democratic :) 19:34 <@RLim> open to astroturfing also 19:34 <@jhowell> its not to replace a forum really.. i mean, it can be used like that 19:34 <@JMcleod> Well its the downvote that bothers me with reddit 19:34 <@jhowell> yeah 19:34 <@JMcleod> The upvote isnt as bad as the downvoting 19:34 <@RLim> There used to be a digg patriots who astroturf digg 19:34 <@jhowell> i *think* mods can disable 19:35 <@jhowell> the downvote 19:35 <@RLim> they are said to have moved to reddit 19:35 <@RLim> nope 19:35 <@RLim> I've looked into that 19:35 <@JMcleod> honestly, if we get big enough, we can get ourselves on frontpage by downrating everyone and uprating only us 19:35 <+scshunt> jhowell: you can't actually, but it could be removed at a source level 19:35 <@jhowell> really, i'd rather see stuff of interest go to the top due to people intersting about it. 19:35 <@jhowell> ah okay 19:35 <+scshunt> JMcleod: that's what the anti-cheating sofware is for 19:35 <@RLim> you can hide it with css but someone with basic knowledge of css can disable it and use downvote 19:35 <+scshunt> ^ 19:35 <@RLim> so in the end the normal users loses out 19:35 <@jhowell> yeah 19:35 <+scshunt> Or if you access with another client or something 19:36 <@jhowell> well, semantics really. its just something that we should probably target as getting hold of 19:36 <@jhowell> now, to the person who mentioned forums having its own link, do you mean: forums.pirateparty.ca ? or something else 19:36 <@JMcleod> Well by big enough, I mean we become a party with over 1000 members active ;) 19:36 <@RLim> ok move to limit the debate so we can move on 19:36 <@RLim> *debate or discussion 19:36 <@JMcleod> no, jhowell i mean, instead of having it in the participate menu 19:37 <@jhowell> Okay cool 19:37 <+JakeDaynes2> Ah - that's ridiculously easy 19:37 <@RLim> yeah I think forum should have its own menu 19:37 <@jhowell> Yeah, it would really help people to have it there in the main bar 19:37 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: move on to other discussion 19:37 <@jhowell> move on away from (reddit? or forums in general?) 19:37 <@JMcleod> So voting starts now 19:38 <+JakeDaynes2> Forums has it's own menu now 19:38 <@RLim> we can continue discussion in the forum that we hate :P 19:38 <@JohannWeiss> JMcleod: You should clarify before voting 19:38 <+scshunt> I would like to continue this conversation unless someone has something else important to say 19:38 <@JMcleod> ok hmmm 19:38 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 19:39 <+scshunt> that was the point of this, after all 19:39 <+JakeDaynes2> As would I - as I'm going to need to leave soon 19:39 <@JMcleod> Any other EB business? 19:39 <+JakeDaynes2> I was under the assumption that this meeting was supposed to be mainly on website discussion, and unfortunately am running out of time 19:39 <@JMcleod> We get that done, then we can discuss forums again 19:39 <@RLim> I am jsut afraid we don't have time for other business 19:39 <@RLim> like remix website 19:39 <@JMcleod> RLim: do you have anything? 19:40 <@JMcleod> remix is PC, its external comms 19:40 <+scshunt> JMcleod: we've sent our requirements list out 19:40 <+scshunt> it's in IT's hands now 19:40 <+scshunt> but there's no reason we shouldn't all discuss it 19:40 <@RLim> who is working on the site? Should we organize a strike force for that and meet outside our regular meetings? 19:40 <@RLim> oh ok 19:41 <+JakeDaynes2> (Leaving in 5 minutes) 19:41 <@RLim> So anyone working on the arts or image to go in the front 19:41 <@RLim> ? 19:41 <@JMcleod> Im up for discussing Sean, but im trying to see if anyone has any real EB business 19:41 <@RLim> JakeDaynes when do you want to meet? Have you guys scheduled a time to work on that? 19:41 <@JMcleod> if not, we go back to websites :) 19:41 <@RLim> I have no other EB business at this time 19:42 <@jhowell> site wise, i think the only ones that have done any work is Jake, with rlim expressing interest in drupal 19:42 <@jhowell> no artistry to speak of 19:42 <+adpaolucci> What about the new server? 19:43 <+JakeDaynes2> new server is dependant on us getting access to the bank account - which Patrick is going to go to BMO tomorrow for 19:43 <@RLim> Ok let's at least set a time for IT to meet and discuss the website 19:43 <@jhowell> Yeah +1 19:43 <+JakeDaynes2> we should be able to get it up and running within days 19:43 <+JakeDaynes2> IT meetings are wednesdays 19:43 <+scshunt> are they really? 19:43 <+JakeDaynes2> I can devote the whole night to it. I can get a functioning drupal site up in under a half hour 19:43 <+scshunt> or are they only said to be on wednesdays 19:43 <@RLim> where and what time? 19:43 <+JakeDaynes2> they're supposed to be - I'm online then almost every wednesday 19:44 <+JakeDaynes2> #canada-itcomm 19:44 <@jhowell> Oh Jake, on that note. Can you make sure that I'm registered as a technical/admin contact with hetzner? So i can make the changes to the order when we're able 19:44 <+JakeDaynes2> at 6:30 PST 19:44 <+scshunt> JakeDaynes2: We want it tied in with the current drupal install 19:44 <@RLim> hmm I have to be somewhere this Wednesday. Will get online as soon as I am done 19:44 <@JMcleod> Yeah, tbh, IT are mainly Sean & adpaolucci discussing tech stuff 19:44 <@jhowell> they're only *said* to be wednesdays. :) 19:44 <@RLim> is there a room 19:44 <+JakeDaynes2> Single-Sign-On right? 19:44 <@RLim> #it-meetings or somethign? 19:44 <@RLim> *something 19:44 <+JakeDaynes2> That's easy 19:44 <@jhowell> canada-ITcomm 19:44 <@JMcleod> its #canada-itcomm 19:44 <+JakeDaynes2> yeah - jhowell can give you the info 19:44 <+scshunt> JakeDaynes2: yeah 19:45 <+JakeDaynes2> that's easy, takes two extra minutes 19:45 <@Patrick> Yeah I dont think we actually have formal meetings anymore, we just use the mailing list and occasional conversation on irc 19:45 <@jhowell> We abandoned regular weekly meetings as attendence was always lacking, so all voting is done via email 19:45 <@jhowell> when we have a need for a meeting, we will schedule one 19:45 <+JakeDaynes2> Okay - I need to run 19:45 <@RLim> ok, but can we meet to plan out the remix website? 19:45 <+JakeDaynes2> I'll be here wednesday in #canada-itcomm and we'll get it set up 19:45 <@RLim> ok 19:45 <+JakeDaynes2> at 6pm PST (i'll be here early) 19:46 <@jhowell> Good. 19:46 <@RLim> I'll try to be out of whereever I am on Wednesday by 6pm Pacific 19:46 <+JakeDaynes2> i'll be on for several hours 19:46 <+JakeDaynes2> peace 19:47 <@JMcleod> ok on wednesday its the GM 19:47 <@JMcleod> I wont be there :( 19:47 <@Patrick> 6 pst is like 9 right 19:47 <@JMcleod> yeah 19:47 <+scshunt> JakeDaynes2: you're leaving now? 19:47 <@JMcleod> OK back to discussing our actual website because there is no EB business that has been brought up 19:48 <+scshunt> Ok, let's discuss the software aspect: 19:48 <+scshunt> The first question is whether we want a fundamentall different model of posting 19:48 <@RLim> forum? 19:48 <+scshunt> yeah 19:48 <@RLim> ok 19:48 <+scshunt> Like reddit-style or something 19:48 <+adpaolucci> well 19:48 <+adpaolucci> reddit is open source 19:48 <@JMcleod> vanilla forums was pretty good looking IMO 19:48 <+adpaolucci> we could just make a reddit clone 19:49 <+scshunt> Theme is entirely irrelevant 19:49 <+scshunt> Retheming anything to look like anything else is not high on the difficulty list 19:49 <+scshunt> software is about features 19:49 <@jhowell> My personal pet peeve of a traditional forum is when someone posts to a thread and brings it back from the dead and it goes to the top of a list, or gets trolled 19:50 <@RLim> yeah Vanilla forum have sink feature for admin to make sure that post die a slow dead 19:50 <@jhowell> A content based structure where the posts get ranked due to popularity, it seems like an idea that could be worth looking into 19:50 <@jhowell> the trolls get voted to oblivion by the populous 19:51 <@RLim> and someone mentioned participation rate have gone up after he switched to Vanilla from traditional forum style 19:51 <@jhowell> do you have an example of vanilla vs traditional? 19:51 <@RLim> or a sensible discussion get downvoted to oblivion by astroturfers 19:51 <@jhowell> I just curious 19:51 <@jhowell> well, people are jerks 19:51 <@jhowell> but 19:51 <@Patrick> I dont care what they are as long as they look nice and work well 19:51 <@JMcleod> Yeah but trolling sometimes is "that which does not fit the popular opinion" 19:51 <@RLim> well I moved my website so the old test post are gone 19:51 <@RLim> but here's a new build 19:52 <@RLim> riclim.com/forum 19:52 <@RLim> with barely anything in it 19:52 <@jhowell> For the most part, the woes of internet trolling are not going to improve regardless of which system we used 19:52 <@jhowell> forums exist, trolls exist 19:52 <@RLim> Jake and I tested it and it works using login of drupal 19:52 <@RLim> it can be linked 19:53 <@RLim> and the good part about Vanilla is you can use plugin 19:53 <@RLim> the admin configuration is like Wordpress 19:53 <@RLim> so you can create module or plugin for features 19:54 <@jhowell> Rlim seems to have a vested interest in it, so that alone, I'd support the idea of its implementing 19:54 <@jhowell> if you're able to stand behind it :) 19:54 <@JMcleod> Hes the only one having some actual proposition. 19:54 <@RLim> rss feed by discussion 19:54 <@RLim> haha. I stated before I hope there's no big bug in it since I kept pushing it 19:54 <@JMcleod> I dont, I try to think, what could be more enticing to get members to use our forums 19:55 <@jhowell> we'd need to look at successful communities 19:55 <@RLim> but if it's open source and people do use it 19:55 <@RLim> there's been several plugin developed for it 19:55 <@jhowell> and figure out what makes them them welcoming to use 19:55 <@RLim> it is marked as reviewed and trusted or unreviewed 19:56 <@RLim> so we can limit ourselves to using those trusted plugin only 19:56 <@JMcleod> well we surely could try it 19:56 <@JMcleod> cant have less activity than now 19:56 <@jhowell> I personally avoid forums that do not have decent moderation. moderation is a full time job. It's good to have volunteers but they need to be trustworthy and exhibit good judgement or else they become as bad as trolls. 19:57 <@RLim> It's different and I find it more modern and refreshing. old forum feels clunky to me personally 19:57 <@jhowell> Being that our forum is of a political nature, and SEEING the amount of discussion in #canada 19:57 <@jhowell> the amt of internet baffoonery, i can imagine gets quite heated here. 19:58 <@RLim> yeah the sink feature I think could take care of troll post 19:58 <@jhowell> as long as we got the mod support! 19:58 <@jhowell> we can have a proper forum 19:58 <@RLim> and I like the default display being all discussion 19:58 <@RLim> then user can click on categories 19:58 <@RLim> to go to their interest 19:59 <@RLim> subscribe to rss feed, follow a post 19:59 <@jhowell> yeah, i would like that 19:59 <@RLim> rss for the categories 19:59 <+scshunt> I've got a suggestion. Can we have IT discuss this on Wednesday and come back with a suggestion with rationale? 19:59 <+scshunt> This discussion seems difficult to have without jake 19:59 <@RLim> yeah 20:00 <@RLim> ok I'll sent an e-mail to list website (remix) and forum as topic for next IT meeting 20:00 <@RLim> Jeremy are you available Wednesday? 20:00 <@jhowell> i sent out a calendar event for the timing you guys talked about 20:00 <@jhowell> to the it distro 20:01 <+scshunt> Ok, do we have other website things to talk about? 20:01 <+scshunt> Wilson? oxpirate? 20:01 <+scshunt> shawn? 20:01 * JMcleod CCitizen, jhowell , JMcleod , JohannWeiss , Patrick , RLim , shawn , Wilson , adpaolucci , JakeDaynes2 , oxpirate , scshunt 20:02 <@JMcleod> trying to wake people up for Sean 20:02 <@jhowell> hey i'm here dammit. :) 20:02 <+oxpirate> We need more posters! 20:02 <+adpaolucci> I'm here 20:02 <@JohannWeiss> What type of posters? 20:02 <+oxpirate> users* 20:02 <+scshunt> that will come if we make the forum not suck 20:02 <+scshunt> see: me 20:03 <@jhowell> yes. if you build it, they *will* come. 20:04 <@Patrick> Whats up? 20:04 <+scshunt> Comments, thoughts, etc. about the website? 20:05 <@Wilson> here 20:06 <+scshunt> There are some theming things, but those are best done by playing with them 20:06 <@JMcleod> Maybe the purple could be made lighter a bit 20:06 <+scshunt> (can someone please make sure to get these down for IT to discuss?) 20:06 <+scshunt> The logo for EE looks out-of-place and sends, I think, a wrong message 20:06 <+scshunt> (to some people, anyway) 20:07 <+scshunt> the green on purple looks awful 20:07 <+scshunt> the social media buttons are oddly prominent 20:07 <@jhowell> i'm wondering if it should be an IT meeting but with exec and council invited? 20:07 <@jhowell> then whomever wants to come can show up, nothing mandatory 20:07 <+scshunt> I will try to show up to IT if I can 20:08 <@JohannWeiss> Isn't the IT meeting going to be at the same time as the GM? 20:08 <@jhowell> ohh PPCA monthly meeting = GM 20:08 <@jhowell> I should rename that in my calendar 20:09 <@RLim> ooops yes it is 20:09 <@RLim> this week 20:09 <@JMcleod> The anonymous mask can be changed now, C-30 is sortadead 20:09 <@jhowell> i'll reschedule for the 24th 20:10 <@JohannWeiss> I need to go AFK for 5 or 10 minutes, will be back 20:10 <@JMcleod> Id like to have a Join Us image or the black Pirate Party flag, with Become a Pirate written beside it in that place 20:15 <@jhowell> that'd be up to someone 20:15 <@jhowell> we can, if people read it :) 20:15 <@jhowell> more the merrier tho 20:16 <+scshunt> RLim: include notice of IT meeting in GM mailing so people can come out and comment 20:16 < RLim> ok. Oct 24th 9:30PM EST? 20:17 <@jhowell> lets say 9:00 cuz jake is there at 9:00 20:17 <@jhowell> and i'd rather him late and start at 9:15 20:17 < RLim> this week? 20:17 <@jhowell> Oct 24 @ 9:00PM EST 20:17 < RLim> I guess next week 24th right? 20:17 < RLim> ok 20:17 <@JMcleod> alright then, should we adjourn EB meeting? 20:18 < RLim> yeah 20:18 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 20:18 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: Adjourn



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