EB 2012-09-09 transcript



NOTE: All Log times are in Canadian Central Time.

18:30 <@JMcleod> Might as well get started on formalities 18:30 <@JMcleod> RLim here? 18:30 < RLim> yeah 18:31 <@JMcleod> Do you have minutes for last week? 18:31 < RLim> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EB_2012-09-02_minutes 18:31 < RLim> what are we going to do about this chronic no quorum thing 18:31 < RLim> ? 18:32 < RLim> it'll ruin our party. nothing is getting done 18:32 < RLim> we should probably just have it over forum or e-mail 18:32 < JohannWeiss> Which area not getting quorum are you tlaking about? 18:33 < RLim> we all have login on durpal so we can just vote that way 18:33 < JohannWeiss> EB isn't having that problem currently, GM is. 18:34 < JohannWeiss> I was thinking about quorum and I don't think it's fulfilling it's purpose. In a traditional meeting you get a group of people together in a room and you need a minimum number to proceed with most business. 18:34 < JohannWeiss> The minimum is necessary to prevent a small number of people from making drastic changes. 18:34 <@JMcleod> Minutes approved unanimously since no one is talking about em 18:34 <@jhowell> works for IT committee, works here! 18:35 < RLim> yeah we are living in the internet age 18:35 < JohannWeiss> The issue I see with how we're implementing it is that in a GM we really only have 4-8 people involved 18:35 < RLim> why not use that to our advantage 18:35 < RLim> vote anytime 18:35 < JohannWeiss> the fact that their signed in is irrelevant because they arne't paying attention 18:35 < JakeDaynesPPCA> BTW - Shawn is just configuring X-Chat - will be here in a second 18:36 < JohannWeiss> It was never an issue with IRL meetings because you had to pay attention because you couldn't do other stuff while in the room 18:36 < juzt4me__> i don't think we have traditional meetings though  isn't that the point, at least somewhat  of our party 18:36 <@jhowell> i wish we could do real meetings :) 18:36 < JakeDaynesPPCA> technically, we could in Vancouver :P 18:36 <@jhowell> haha yeah. 18:36 <@JMcleod> jhowell - invent a teleportation machine 18:36 <@CCitizen> Personally I think it'd be good to have a method to propose adn ote on things without having to engage in a meeting all the time 18:36 < JohannWeiss> juzt4me: I'd like that, but currently the GM's are traditional 18:36 < JakeDaynesPPCA> oh, no we can't now - Johann isn't part of the PC 18:37 < RLim> I think mumble is better because you have to respond rightaway 18:37 < JohannWeiss> Yup 18:37 <@jhowell> Our meeting in Mumble was pretty awesome and very fast 18:37 < RLim> irc you can take your time, read message slowly 18:37 <@JMcleod> Well we dicussed something like liquid feedback in the past 18:37 <@jhowell> next time I have work scheduled for Vancouver, you better believe I'm gonna start it on a thursday/friday so i can hangout over the weekend 18:37 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Security flaws in LF 18:37 < RLim> lose concentration. which I am guilty of also 18:37 <@JMcleod> what kind of flaws? 18:38 < JakeDaynesPPCA> The coding it's based off of - I can pull up some white papers 18:38 < RLim> what does LF have that normal forum does not have? 18:38 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Also - I love my internet :P http://www.speedtest.net/result/2169736500.png 18:38 < RLim> show off 18:38 < RLim> jk 18:38 < RLim> :) 18:39 < JakeDaynesPPCA> RLim: It's all in the voting capabilities - with voting delegation based on different votes or overall etc 18:39 <@jhowell> holy crap Jake. 18:39 < JakeDaynesPPCA> :) 18:39 < JohannWeiss> I had an idea awhile ago that could help: GM's don't need quorum, voting is left open for 24 hours, every motion needs a quorum number of votes to be passed. 18:39 < JakeDaynesPPCA> This is why I'm hosting Encrypt Everything :P 18:40 < RLim> I like that JohannWeiss 18:40 <@CCitizen> Personally I think we should use something like forum or mailing list 18:40 < JakeDaynesPPCA> JohannWeiss: I can agree with that concept 18:40 <@jhowell> i wonder if our voting system can be fitted to do something like this? 18:40 < RLim> I like that too CCitizen 18:40 < RLim> Some forum have plugin to allow voting 18:40 < juzt4me__> we could also send out an email, everyone who opposes can come forward if you choose not to, its implied you accept  i know some other parties use that concept 18:40 < JakeDaynesPPCA> jhowell: it'd take a lot of work, but it's possible 18:40 < Shawn> Have the meetings officially started? I would like to split into two channels to discuss seperate issues 18:41 < JohannWeiss> CCitizen: If we are fulling transitioning to something different then IRC, I'd like to come up with somethign better (more customized). 18:41 < RLim> I don't think we need to develop a new app 18:41 <@jhowell> yeah. Remember way back a couple years ago, we could put in our pin and vote on stuff 18:41 <@jhowell> it'd be great to have something simple and accessible like that. an email with the meeting minutes and a link to vote on the motions 18:41 < JakeDaynesPPCA> yeah - but Pins are being phased out 18:42 <@jhowell> yeah i know. but something LIKE that 18:42 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Now you just login to the site and vote 18:42 < RLim> well if they login to Drupal and is a member wouldn't that work 18:42 < RLim> ? 18:42 < Shawn> scshunt JakeDaynesPPCA juzt4me__ juzt4me CCitizen - are we all present? I've got some poli motions i'd like to bring forward today 18:42 <@jhowell> simple, secure and accessible. 18:42 < Shawn> i support the alternate GM idea 18:42 < JakeDaynesPPCA> RLim: that's the point 18:44 < JohannWeiss> I'd like to hash out a definite solution that we can implement soon. 18:44 <@JMcleod> At this point, id support any alternative 18:45 < JohannWeiss> I believe any changes would have to either be passed in a normal GM using either a special rule of order or a constitution change 18:45 < JohannWeiss> I'd rather the former if it will work because it's much faster and less hassle 18:45 <@CCitizen> sure I'm here just a bit slow 18:46 < RLim> agree 18:47 < JohannWeiss> Although I have the feeling that anyone who absolutely embraces the rules will point out that we have to do a constitution change to effect quroum of meetings and voting 18:47 < JakeDaynesPPCA> How about a Member-Read-Only forum section where we would discuss and vote on motions? 18:47 < Shawn> Ive heard some opposition to the forums layout being offputting already :/ 18:48 < JakeDaynesPPCA> As have I, and I've asked for specifics so I can improve it 18:48 < Shawn> i think weiss's suggestion is apt, we could draft a constitutional amendment that allows for it- it would likely increase participation 18:48 < Shawn> we could also store the debates that were had in the meeting with the day-after voting 18:49 < JohannWeiss> So if we're going into constitution territory then it's something that must be brought to a GM and passed as a normal motion 18:49 <@JMcleod> Dont we have a constitution committee somehwere? 18:49 < Shawn> so there is incentive to attend the meetings to have your opinion heard if you're passionate about a proposed motion 18:50 < JohannWeiss> We can draft a motion here to recommended this to the GM, but we can't actually pass anthing 18:50 < JohannWeiss> JMcleod: We 18:50 < Shawn> indeed, but that is the role of strong leadership on part of the EB 18:50 < Shawn> With the participation we've been getting, a change is needed. 18:50 < JohannWeiss> ** We do, but it's gone dead for a little while 18:51 <@CCitizen> I admit our existing forums are kinda blah... 18:51 < JohannWeiss> No progress in 20 days or so 18:51 <@JMcleod> Thats not good to hear 18:51 <@CCitizen> Honestly I think we should just wipe the forums and start fresh 18:51 < JohannWeiss> We need to create tested & workig alternatives first 18:52 <@CCitizen> who was suggesting what was it Vanilla forum? 18:52 <@CCitizen> wait it was Ric I think 18:52 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Ric was and we tested and confirmed a functional tie-in with Drupal 18:52 < JakeDaynesPPCA> auto-login 18:53 < RLim> well not much have been happening so interest will die down 18:53 < Shawn> i would like to get into remixgov today but my PC isn't responding :p 18:53 < RLim> yeah Vanilla forum is more conducive to participation IMHO. 18:54 < RLim> yeah no quorum again for PC :( 18:54 < RLim> I wanted to register the domain 18:54 <@CCitizen> Personally I say we come up with our own rules 18:54 < RLim> I have not posted the transcript from last week just in case some trolls saw we want to register that 18:54 < Shawn> CCitizen scshunt JakeDaynesPPCA juzt4me and myself make PC quorum. 18:55 <@JMcleod> Yeah PC has quorum now :) 18:55 <@JMcleod> CCitizen isnt counted for EB forum anymore, fyi 18:56 < RLim> scshunt is here? 18:56 < RLim> they need 5 18:57 <@JMcleod> Oh yeah, people being present now thats something else 18:57 <@CCitizen> Yes I am 18:57 <@CCitizen> <- Chair of PDC still 18:58 <@CCitizen> unless you guys removed me from that position 18:58 < JohannWeiss> I don't think so 18:58 <@JMcleod> No, but you cant have a vote on both boards 18:58 < JohannWeiss> I think you can 18:58 < Shawn> regardless the PC has enough people to hold an ad-hoc meeting as passed a few months ago, we can pass motions with three of us as long as we seek approval from others via e-mail afterwards 18:58 <@JMcleod> If youre leader or deputy leader you can 18:59 < JohannWeiss> Shawn: Indeed 18:59 < JohannWeiss> JMcleod: a PC member may not be the Pres, VP, or secretary 18:59 < JohannWeiss> That doesn't mean a PC member can't be the head of an Exec sub-committee, thereby granting them a position on the EB 19:00 <@CCitizen> Naw the constitution states only the pres/vp/secretary cant be on both but anyways we should probably rewrite stuff at some point in the future 19:02 < JohannWeiss> So the PC is good and so is the EB. 19:02 < RLim> btw the election results, was the list of votes to confirmation code implemented for this election? 19:03 <@JMcleod> Well then we need to fix the constitution, again 19:03 < JohannWeiss> jakedaynes 19:03 ? 19:03 < JohannWeiss> RLim's question was about the election stuff. 19:03 Ah - sorry, 19:03 < JohannWeiss> You're most knowledgeable about that 19:03 yes it was 19:04 < JohannWeiss> JMcleod: Why do you think that's a problem? 19:04 and confirmed by those at the GM that their confirmation codes matched their votes 19:04 < JohannWeiss> The committee's below the EB are simply working on party projects and the like 19:04 < RLim> was there a list published? or maybe during GM, because I was not here 19:04 <@JMcleod> PC can now choose a DL and have near-guaranteed majority of votes on the EB 19:04 It was published during the GM 19:05 <@JMcleod> The point of separating the boards, was so that doesnt happen. 19:05 < JohannWeiss> We're not two separate bodies to prevent corruption, it was to alleviate work load 19:05 < Shawn> it requires doing work to head a dl 19:05 < Shawn> i say deal with it if it becomes a problem 19:06 < Shawn> we can include it in the amendments that we bring forward 19:06 < Shawn> if anyone is passionate enough to do so 19:06 < JohannWeiss> That's a bad idea 19:06 < JohannWeiss> We are still having issues getting enough volunteers for work 19:07 < Shawn> jakedaynes juzt4me scshunt CCitizen - join #canada-pc if you are present 19:08 i'm still figuring out how to add myself to a room :p 19:08 <@CCitizen> try /j #canada-pc 19:08 < JohannWeiss> The rational behind not allowing the primary three EB members on the PC was to make sure we had atleast those three people working on Exec business. 19:09 <@CCitizen> Really there is so much overlap of business it almost makes sense to combine them 19:09 < JohannWeiss> It also prevents the EB from dipping down to a very low number of votes/quroum (like if the DL was secreatary and the leader was the pres) 19:09 <@CCitizen> just have PC members who are running for election ineligable to make decisions on money stuff and we're good? 19:09 <@JMcleod> We definately should just combine then. 19:11 < RLim> well come election time we want to have a group focus on administrative stuff 19:11 <@JMcleod> But does that group need an exclusive board? 19:11 < Shawn> combining will cause other problems. lets try simultanious irc channels for a while 19:12 < JohannWeiss> Sean suggested the PC be a subcommittee of the EB in charge of creating the political message (writing articles, doing interviews, etc). 19:12 < JohannWeiss> I thought that was a reasonable way to combine them while still have the separation that some mebers thought was necessary last year 19:13 <@JMcleod> Well our problem right now is quorums/people showing up 19:13 < RLim> even if we joint them we would need a bigger quorum 19:14 <@jhowell> how many members total in each, not counting duplicates 19:14 < RLim> months just keep going by with nothing being done because there's no quorum most of the time 19:15 < JohannWeiss> I just wrote up my suggestion for the quorum problem: 19:15 < JohannWeiss> Quorum is no longer necessary for the meeting itself. Voting doesn't take place during the meeting, it happens in a 24 hours period afterwards. Any motions must get a number of votes equal to quorum to be passed in that time span. The entirety of the meeting must be immediately posted to an area accessible to the members voting on the motions. 19:15 < JohannWeiss> Did that get cut off anywhere? 19:15 < JohannWeiss> ... Continued ... Amendments: Any amendments to motions which have a seconder are brought to a vote. The original motion can be voted on, as well as any amendments. The amendment with the most votes is used, assuming the original motion passed in the first place. 19:16 < RLim> can EB just passed that now 19:16 < RLim> ? 19:16 < RLim> just pass it and start using it 19:17 < RLim> for EB and PC 19:17 <@JMcleod> EB can pass it for EB. PC can pass it for PC 19:17 < JohannWeiss> We certainly can 19:17 <@JMcleod> But, my question is, how does voting take place? 19:17 < JohannWeiss> jakedaynes: you got a solution for this? 19:18 Gah - I'm in two meetings and setting up a VPN service… let me re-read 19:18 < JohannWeiss> Sorry :) 19:18 Okay - for this, we can run it through the website, using the same system that we use for member-wide votes 19:19 we just need to change one variable to set it EB or PC only 19:19 < JohannWeiss> That works for me 19:19 I can do up a content type in Drupal for EB Vote and PC Vote 19:19 < RLim> even if we use vanilla forum. If you voted that means you logged in 19:19 < RLim> cool 19:19 same security, same vote management as currently 19:19 if it's good enough for the party, it's good enough for us 19:20 <@JMcleod> Ok and how can we write a motion in that vote thing 19:21 We would use it in a Blog style system - where each motion would have it's own vote at the base 19:21 I'm not advocating for this, I'm just presenting solutions 19:22 < JohannWeiss> RLim, JMcleod: if we implement this in the EB, who would be in charge of putting the motions together into a vote? 19:22 < RLim> and since it's EB and PC we should just have it as open voting 19:22 < RLim> Well EB can implement it for PC since it's administrative matter. no? 19:23 <@JMcleod> Well to me it sounds like a rule of order 19:23 <@JMcleod> PC can choose its own rules of order 19:24 < JohannWeiss> We can implement the tool itself, but it would be up to them to have someone copy/paste the actual motions into the form (yeah, and they'd make the decision to use it in the firs tplace) 19:24 < JohannWeiss> I was more asking about who would be in charge of what on a weekly basis 19:24 < JohannWeiss> One of us has to make sure the voting commences immediatly after the meeting 19:25 <@JMcleod> I think president, vp & secretary should have access to that for the EB 19:25 < JohannWeiss> TBH I don't know if it will help us that much. I was thinking of the GM's because quorum is much higher and it has more of an issue with idlers 19:25 < JohannWeiss> But i'm happy to implement it here too 19:26 <@JMcleod> Here would give other members a chance to voice on an issue 19:26 < JohannWeiss> You mean like non-EB people 19:26 < RLim> we could test run it 19:27 < JohannWeiss> Testing it 19:27 <@JMcleod> no no, I mean like EB people who arent here 19:27 < JohannWeiss> That was the main reason I thought it would be good to implement 19:27 < JohannWeiss> that way we can work out the kinks amongst a smaller group before sending it to the GM 19:27 <@JMcleod> But yeah, we should definately test that with the EB 19:27 < JohannWeiss> Cool 19:27 < JohannWeiss> We're agreed then 19:27 <@JMcleod> just gonna formally vote it 19:28 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: That the EB adopt what is here : http://piratepad.ca/jYRKe4E9KU 19:28 * JMcleod CCitizen, jhowell , JMcleod , JohannWeiss , RLim 19:28 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: That the EB adopt what is here : http://piratepad.ca/jYRKe4E9KU 19:28 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 19:28 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 19:29 <@JohannWeiss> aye 19:29 <@jhowell> aye 19:29 <@JMcleod> missed Shawn 19:29 <@JMcleod> aye 19:29 <@RLim> aye 19:30 aye 19:31 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 4 Nays: 0 19:31 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: That the EB adopt what is here : http://piratepad.ca/jYRKe4E9KU 19:31 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 19:31 <@Shawn> aye 19:31 <@Shawn> fuuuu 19:31 <@JohannWeiss> :) 19:31 <@Shawn> democracy doesn't work after all! 19:31 <@jhowell> haha how very bittersweet 19:32 <@Shawn> we should prepare a similar motion for a constitutional amendment 19:32 <@JMcleod> lol well we should test-run in EB 19:32 <@JMcleod> its easier to changes our rules than to change GM rules 19:33 <@JMcleod> Since our constitutional team is MIA 19:33 <@JMcleod> Can we get what they worked on? 19:33 <@JMcleod> So we can pick it up from there? 19:33 <@JohannWeiss> It's in a piratepad 19:33 <@JohannWeiss> I'm a member so I've got access 19:33 <@JMcleod> Get it for us 19:33 <@JohannWeiss> Shawn Grey is the head of the committee 19:34 <@JMcleod> If activity doesnt pick up, imma motion to destroy that committee next week 19:34 <@JohannWeiss> Talk to him first 19:34 <@JMcleod> Hes never on here 19:34 <@JMcleod> or if he is, i dont know his handle 19:35 <@JohannWeiss> You could email him 19:35 <@JohannWeiss> I'm just saying it would be polite to send an email to that effect 19:35 <@RLim> there was no urgency on that so we should let them work it out 19:35 <@JohannWeiss> maybe there's a good reason it's been dead for a while 19:35 <@JMcleod> true, shawn.grey@pirateparty.ca 19:35 <@JMcleod> ? 19:36 <@RLim> I don't agree with destroying it right now 19:37 <@JMcleod> well if its not coming through for us, we cant just have it sit idle 19:37 <@JMcleod> we have a few problems already, I was seriously expecting constitution change notice last GM and it took forever to get quorum 19:38 <@JohannWeiss> Yeah, I agree, but at least try to talk to him first. 19:38 <@RLim> yeah 19:40 <@JMcleod> Also, we have a lot of minor things to change, but im waiting for the major stuff to get out of the way, constitution is one of em 19:41 <@JMcleod> A more efficient meeting system is also a major problem 19:41 <@JMcleod> For GMs I was thinking on having them once per 3 months while giving more power to the PC 19:41 <@Shawn> i move to purchase remixgov.ca and remixyourgovernment.ca today. 19:42 <@JMcleod> is that not done already? 19:42 <@JMcleod> give us a price of how much itll cost :) 19:42 <@Shawn> never officially passd iirc 19:42 <@RLim> No, at least once a month is needed for eager members. Not sure having it in 3 months will get more participation. Maybe they'll just tune out thinking they don't have that much say 19:43 <@RLim> who is in control of our domain? We should keep calendar of critical dates so taht we don't have certificate or domain expires on us 19:43 <@Shawn> 11.98 per year per domain 19:43 <@Shawn> so like $25 a year for both 19:43 yeah 19:44 $11.76 actualy 19:44 actually* 19:44 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: to purchase remixgov.ca and remixyourgovernment.ca today for .76 each 19:44 <@JMcleod> hmm 19:44 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 19:45 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: to purchase remixgov.ca and remixyourgovernment.ca today for $ 11,76 each 19:45 o_O 19:45 $11.76 each! 19:45 :P 19:45 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 19:45 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: to purchase remixgov.ca and remixyourgovernment.ca today for $ 11,76 each! 19:45 <@RLim> lol 19:45 You keep using commas dude... 19:45 <@JMcleod> oh 19:45 lol 19:45 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 19:45 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: to purchase remixgov.ca and remixyourgovernment.ca today for $ 11.76 each! 19:45 <@RLim> it's a Quebec thing 19:45 <@RLim> :) 19:45 <@JMcleod> it is for real 19:45 I figured - same in Europe 19:45 * JMcleod CCitizen, jhowell , JMcleod , JohannWeiss , RLim , Shawn 19:45 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: to purchase remixgov.ca and remixyourgovernment.ca today for $ 11.76 each! 19:45 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 19:45 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 19:46 <@jhowell> aye 19:46 aye 19:46 <@RLim> aye 19:46 <@JohannWeiss> aye 19:46 <@JMcleod> aye 19:46 <@JMcleod> umm jake = deputy leader? 19:46 o_O 19:46 Do I? 19:46 <@Shawn> nope 19:47 <@JMcleod> The directors of the chief agent do not have the right to vote or to make motions at meeting of the Executive Board unless they hold another position on the Board. 19:47 ah 19:47 oops 19:47 lol 19:47 got carried away :) 19:47 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 4 Nays: 0 19:47 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: to purchase remixgov.ca and remixyourgovernment.ca today for $ 11.76 each! 19:47 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 19:47 <@Shawn> according to the constitution we need to appoint a deputy leader in a pc meeting 19:47 <@RLim> lol. He is eager to purchase the domain 19:47 <@JMcleod> Yes you do Shawn 19:49 <@Shawn> by the way RLim and JohannWeiss - you've been mentioned in my motions in the pc meeting 19:49 <@JMcleod> lol 19:49 <@Shawn> 'I motion to have Jesse Gaudet, Steve Henderson, Jake Daynes, and Patrick Fitzgerald delegated to the task of local volunteer and member coordination with volunteer coordinator Johann Weiss as the EB contact for the undertaking.' - this is being sent to the pc for approval 19:49 <@Shawn> 'I motion to have Madi Sid, James Wilson, Shawn Vulliez, and Sean Hunt delegated to the task of building remixgov with secretary Ric Lim as the EB contact for the project.' this too 19:50 <@RLim> ic. I thought you are selling us to the highest bidder 19:50 <@JMcleod> I think remixgov will work out on twitter btw 19:50 <@RLim> yeah 19:50 <@JMcleod> being popular is another thing 19:50 <@Shawn> this is because johann is the volunteer coordinator and ric lim has expressed interest in managing the raw data of idea submissions 19:50 <@RLim> There was a guy who made a documentary about patent and copyright 19:50 <@JMcleod> but there are many pissed off people with ideas 19:50 <@RLim> he is using #remixeverything I think 19:51 <@RLim> I retweeted a tweet with part 4 of his video 19:51 <@RLim> well done 19:51 <@RLim> *it was well done 19:51 <@JohannWeiss> On the volunteer topic, we should forward the motion we passed as while back to the IT. 19:52 <@JMcleod> which one 19:52 <@JMcleod> http://piratepad.ca/jYRKe4E9KU ? 19:52 <@JohannWeiss> We need some email addresses so that the contact location for volunteers is stable between people 19:52 <@JohannWeiss> It was to create local volunteer (ie provincial) heads who had a permanent email address and were forum moderators over their section 19:53 <@JohannWeiss> Any areas without a local head defaulted to the national coordinator 19:53 <@JMcleod> oh yeah, now that the voting is over 19:53 <@JohannWeiss> We need emails for each of the provinces as well as national 19:53 <@Shawn> once we switch to the new mail system that will be easy to do from my understanding 19:54 <@Shawn> since jake is the one who can do that, it may be a little while still as he's still working with the VPN 19:54 <@JohannWeiss> We can wait on that if it's happening soon then 19:54 <@JohannWeiss> It's definitly not a high priority issue 19:54 Yeah - it would be best to wait, and minimize the data transfer 19:55 Right now I'm working with OpenVPN to make sure that when we get the new servers I can get it up and running with minimal downtime 19:55 <@JohannWeiss> Cool 19:56 yeah 19:56 <@JohannWeiss> Just thought I'd mention it while we were on the topic 19:56 <@JMcleod> jhowell & jakedaynes how is server changing going? 19:57 we need to purchase the new servers - it needs to be approved by EB first 19:57 if you guys can approve it, I can order them tonight 19:57 jhowell: you have all the info they need to look over right? 19:57 <@JMcleod> I already approved for the part under 100$ 19:58 ah - gotcha 19:58 then I can order them tonight no problem 19:58 <@JMcleod> Yeah 19:58 <@JMcleod> And the sooner were off iweb, the sooner we save money 19:58 yeah 19:58 <@jhowell> yeah 19:59 <@jhowell> now that i am normalized, we'll gear up for that 19:59 <@jhowell> andrew has apparently been through his own test run for esxi with hertzner 19:59 <@jhowell> so, i'm gonna see how that went with him 19:59 <@jhowell> and then we will start our own 20:00 <@jhowell> ohh.. one thing, kinda falls in with the topic before this. 20:00 <@jhowell> contact info 20:00 YES! 20:00 <@jhowell> we need to create a phone list for the commitees 20:01 <@jhowell> so if everyone could email me their full name, email and a phone number (preferrably the most accessible, or one with SMS) 20:01 <@jhowell> REDACTED: Email address removed as per motion on Sept 23rd, 2012. (minutes 20:01 <@jhowell> i'll get it started immediately and hound those who procrastinate 20:01 <@JMcleod> dont you have **** ? 20:02 <@jhowell> who knows.. our email system sucks. 20:02 <@jhowell> i'm not gonna mince words, i hate it 20:04 <@jhowell> but i'd love to start using pirateparty.ca email, like from a web interface or hook it to my phone 20:04 <@jhowell> new system, we'll be able to do that 20:04 <@JMcleod> sent 20:04 <@jhowell> more importantly, we'll be able to do that with proper administration 20:07 <@JohannWeiss> AFK for 10 minutes 20:08 <@JMcleod> any other business? 20:09 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn 20:09 * JMcleod CCitizen, jhowell , JMcleod , JohannWeiss , RLim , Shawn 20:09 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn 20:09 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 20:09 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 20:09 <@jhowell> aye 20:09 <@JMcleod> aye 20:10 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 2 Nays: 0 20:10 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: adjourn 20:10 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor



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