EB 2012-02-20 transcript

NOTE: Log times are in central time. 21:16 <~scshunt> Anyway, let's call this meeting to order properly. 21:16 <~scshunt> Ric, do you have the minutes from last meeting? 21:18 < RLim> We don't have outstanding minutes 21:18 < RLim> there was no meeting last week 21:18 <~scshunt> What about the week before, then? 21:19 <~scshunt> Also, if there is no quorum, the meeting should still be called to order, even if it does nothing but adjourn, and there sthould still be minutes. 21:19 < RLim> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EB_2012-02-06_minutes 21:20 <~scshunt> Any corrections to the minutes? 21:21 <~scshunt> Seeing none, they are approved 21:21 <~scshunt> Any other business? 21:22 < JMcleod> As Nuitari pointed out, we need to have a plan in case of draw 21:22 <~scshunt> Re-vote is the only acceptable option 21:22 <~scshunt> If we have a tie, the election is incomplete and needs to be completed 21:23 < JMcleod> For that I motion that in the event of a tie, a 2nd round between the winners be called where members may only vote for the leader. 21:23 <~scshunt> I rule that the motion is out of order; the Board has no authority over elections held by the membership. 21:23 < JMcleod> ok then 21:23 < JMcleod> we shoulda discussed it on the 15th 21:23 <~scshunt> Nuitari: how are we doing on a financial report? 21:24 < JMcleod> if there is a leader we have to start over from very start 21:24 <~scshunt> JMcleod: We'll simply proceed with a revote in event of a tie, if someone has an issue with it then it can be raised at the March meeting. 21:25 <~scshunt> JMcleod: huh? 21:25 <~scshunt> what do you mean, "if there is a leader we have to start over 21:26 < RLim> you mean if there is NO leader? 21:26 < JMcleod> if there is a tie for leadership 21:26 < JMcleod> :) 21:26 < JMcleod> yeah I totally sucked on that one :P 21:27 <~scshunt> We'll just do a revote on the incomplete portion of the election 21:28 <~scshunt> The loser of the runoff would become deputy leader and the rest of the PC would get filled as normal 21:28 < Nuitari> and spend another week on it 21:28 < Nuitari> at a time that we need to be very active 21:29 <~scshunt> yes, but we have no other choice 21:29 < JMcleod> What are the probabilities of a draw ? 21:30 <~scshunt> Nuitari tells me that we are currently tied 21:30 < RLim> and it ends tomorrow 21:30 < Nuitari> we need to send a reminder email to vote 21:31 <~scshunt> tomorrow? Thursday 21:31 < Nuitari> wednesday 21:31 < JMcleod> Ends on the 22nd 21:33 < RLim> Nuitari, you mean before the deadline? 21:34 < Nuitari> yeah we should entice people to vote 21:34 < Nuitari> hopefully that will break up the tie 21:34 < Nuitari> and next time, let's ask people who they prefer as leader / deputy leader 21:34 <~scshunt> perhaps 21:34 <~scshunt> we definitely should review the election section 21:34 <~scshunt> it was an experiment 21:35 < Nuitari> should probably delegate tie breaking to the exec board too 21:35 < JMcleod> That could be a mistake 21:35 < Nuitari> maybe someone will decline leadership to avoid the tie 21:35 <~scshunt> that could happen 21:36 <~scshunt> shame they have to decline deputy leadership too 21:36 <~scshunt> /that/ was definitely a mistake 21:36 < Nuitari> yeah 21:36 < Nuitari> and let's avoid people making mass nominations... 21:36 < RLim> well it was good to have a bigger size poltiical board 21:37 < JMcleod> Well I would prefer to have the leader and deputy leader as a different election than the political board 21:39 < Nuitari> RLim: I really hope that all the people who will lose will take it gracefully and keep being active in the party 21:39 <~scshunt> me too 21:40 < JMcleod> I got a feeling there may be some jealousy 21:40 < RLim> yeah hopefully 21:41 < RLim> on remaining active not jealousy. :P 21:43 < JMcleod> alright so do we have exec board affairs? 21:43 < RLim> so we want to sent out an e-mail reminder? 21:44 < Nuitari> yes, we should 21:44 < Nuitari> only 53 votes so far 21:44 < RLim> NUitari, do you know what time voting closes? 21:44 < Nuitari> oh and people who already voted can change their votes 21:44 < JMcleod> 53 distinct voters or total votes? 21:44 < Nuitari> 53 voters 21:44 < Nuitari> we don't keep past votes on records 21:44 < RLim> yeah I forgot to mention that so good to put that in 21:45 < JMcleod> There will be 54 soon, told my brother to get to votin ;) 21:47 < Nuitari> maybe we should add forum/irc nicknames to the names there 21:47 < Nuitari> a lot of them don't ring a bell 21:48 <~scshunt> That's up to the candidates to do, really. 21:48 < JMcleod> do we know if we have at least 5 members with 60% approval 21:48 <~scshunt> JMcleod: let's not ask questions 21:48 <~scshunt> really, no one should be looking at the intermediate results 21:48 < JMcleod> true 21:49 <~scshunt> I would object to adding anything to the voting page, since it could be seen as partial 21:49 <~scshunt> A quick list posted on the forum might help though 21:50 < JMcleod> yeah lets not panic, the list is made and wait for results. 21:50 < Nuitari> could be added to the email 21:50 < RLim> ok 21:51 <~scshunt> If we weren't in such a hurry, I would have suggested to delay the vote by a few days and let candidates write short statements 21:54 < Nuitari> in the next iteration we need to have a way to appoint an interim leader 21:54 <~scshunt> or just a way to remove the leader and have the deputy leader step up 21:56 < JMcleod> And if both go, then President should take over 21:56 < JMcleod> That way, there is always a face somewhere 21:58 <~scshunt> No, PC should elect someone new 21:58 <~scshunt> which is the current situation, actually, if the leader resigns rather than goes MIA 21:59 < Nuitari> we should also have something for MIA leader / deputy leader 21:59 < JMcleod> True, if PC can make Quorum though, something should happen 21:59 < Nuitari> and some provision if PC is too low 21:59 < Nuitari> if they can't make quorum, decisions need to be moved to another part of the party, we can't just hang there doing nothing 22:01 <~scshunt> The only other body to give it to would be the EB 22:01 <~scshunt> besides the general membership, of course 22:01 <~scshunt> and I don't think we should give the EB political power 22:02 < Nuitari> why not? 22:02 <~scshunt> any more than if the EB stops making quorum, we should give the PC management power 22:02 <~scshunt> because they are divided for a reason 22:02 < Nuitari> it should be as a fall back with defined duration 22:02 < JMcleod> Well EB should only get Emergency powers, where its role would be to re-establish the PC ASAP, and nothing else. 22:02 <~scshunt> If we are missing quorum on EB or PC meetings regularly, we're already in shit 22:02 <~scshunt> worst case, a special GM could be called 22:03 <~scshunt> although we should tighten up the rules around those 22:03 < Nuitari> rules need to be tight for day-to-day, but loosen up for when things go wrong 22:04 <~scshunt> that's what a special GM is for 22:05 <~scshunt> We need only 3 days notice for that 22:05 < JMcleod> could a new leader be determined in a special GM? 22:05 <~scshunt> Not presently, because PC would have to be reelected 22:06 <~scshunt> I think that's a bug too 22:06 <~scshunt> but one must be sensitive in balancing the party against time 22:07 < Nuitari> see with a quick interim setup we can take months to do the vote 22:08 < RLim> who is Harold Swinton? No idea what his id is 22:09 <~scshunt> We have that setup 22:09 <~scshunt> Unless the entire PC collapses at once 22:09 <~scshunt> A special GM can carry out any other business of the party, remember 22:09 <~scshunt> modulo like one thing 22:10 <~scshunt> so if things need doing quickly, they can get done 22:10 <~scshunt> I don't think trying to develop a less general mechanism is worth it 22:12 < JMcleod> Well if the whole PC collapses, lets just call a GM to setup and interim leader. 22:12 < JMcleod> I guess 22:15 < JMcleod> ok so about the financial report 22:17 < Nuitari> let me check 22:19 < Nuitari> missing a quarter but getting there 22:19 <~scshunt> ok 22:20 < JMcleod> Would be nice to have all that soon 22:20 < JMcleod> Would it be possible to make a widget for that on the site? 22:22 < Nuitari> not really 22:22 < Nuitari> you'd need ot have someone manually update it regularly 22:24 < JMcleod> Ah I was hoping maybe it was all in a DB 22:24 < Nuitari> income yeah, but not expenses 22:25 < JMcleod> And net amount depends on expenses so its gotta be manual too then I guess 22:26 < Nuitari> can't have something that keep logging intot he bank / paypal/ cc account to pull the info 22:27 * Nuitari is glad we have an actual payment processor and not just paypal 22:30 < JMcleod> yeah thats a good thing, cant find anything to pull balance from paypal automatically either ;( 22:30 < RLim> JMcleod, you have time to do a quick translation? Just few paragraphs. 22:31 < JMcleod> RLim: link a pad 22:31 < RLim> http://piratepad.ca/oCUwKh2b08 22:41 < JMcleod> done 22:42 < RLim> two more lines 22:47 < JMcleod> Done 22:48 < RLim> just one more :P 22:48 < RLim> Pirate Party Election - two days left to Vote 22:48 < RLim> Parti Pirate des élections - deux jours pour voter 22:48 < RLim> is that good? 22:49 < JMcleod> Nope 22:49 < JMcleod> Sujet: Elections au Parti Pirate - Plus que deux jours pour voter 22:50 < JMcleod> What you said roughly xlates to Pirate Party of elections! 22:50 < JMcleod> Which well, would be funny 22:51 < RLim> lol 22:52 < RLim> well Google fail 22:55 < JMcleod> yeah, dont worry, I thought it would be nice for French to English, considering English people wrote the whole thing... I was wrong.

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