GM 2015-04-15 transcript

 [2015-04-15 5:10:25 PM] +RLim: So for remix I figured the most we have success on is classic forum [2015-04-15 5:10:39 PM] +john: Techrev: are you a member? [2015-04-15 5:10:43 PM] +RLim: so maybe we can have wordpress front page to feature some of the crowdsourced policies [2015-04-15 5:10:48 PM] +john: Yeah [2015-04-15 5:10:56 PM] +john: Sounds like a good idea [2015-04-15 5:10:59 PM] +RLim: but discussions and suggestions will be done through forum [2015-04-15 5:11:00 PM] +RLim: ? [2015-04-15 5:11:09 PM] +john: Yeah [2015-04-15 5:11:18 PM] +john: We could have a formal system [2015-04-15 5:11:26 PM] +john: Of having people give discussion [2015-04-15 5:11:38 PM] +john: On policies [2015-04-15 5:11:46 PM] +john: And having a vote [2015-04-15 5:13:04 PM] +ShawnGray: Wordpress is great for features and noting accepted policies. Forums are fantastic for discussions & suggestions that are not quite ready to be voted on. Lock it down once the vote is set & occurs. [2015-04-15 5:14:47 PM] +john: Yeah [2015-04-15 5:14:50 PM] +RLim: yeah [2015-04-15 5:14:55 PM] +RLim: we can use the poll on forum [2015-04-15 5:15:02 PM] +john: exactly [2015-04-15 5:15:35 PM] +ShawnGray: We do need to start getting these policies hammered since election is about 6 months out. Need to ensure candidates are on board and active as a part of the crowdsourcing as well. [2015-04-15 5:16:12 PM] RLim sets mode: +v CCitizen [2015-04-15 5:17:19 PM] +RLim: yeah [2015-04-15 5:17:32 PM] +RLim: and budget announcement is April 30 [2015-04-15 5:17:40 PM] +john: ok [2015-04-15 5:17:45 PM] +RLim: anything can happen from then on [2015-04-15 5:17:48 PM] +john: Can I say something? [2015-04-15 5:18:09 PM] +RLim: the new election law I believe allows spending without limit [2015-04-15 5:18:17 PM] +john: Ok [2015-04-15 5:18:20 PM] +RLim: until writ is drop [2015-04-15 5:18:26 PM] +john: Do we get free ads again? [2015-04-15 5:18:53 PM] +RLim: something like they could start the campaigning already but the election is not until October [2015-04-15 5:18:58 PM] +RLim: john: yeah [2015-04-15 5:18:59 PM] +john: Like we did before [2015-04-15 5:19:03 PM] +john: Ok [2015-04-15 5:19:05 PM] +john: So [2015-04-15 5:19:11 PM] +john: We need some good ads [2015-04-15 5:19:21 PM] +RLim: yeah [2015-04-15 5:19:31 PM] +john: And candidates for the platform [2015-04-15 5:19:46 PM] +ShawnGray: EC allows spending without limit from the federal party. Candidates are still unable to raise or spend funds until candidacy is affirmed by the RO [2015-04-15 5:19:47 PM] +john: RLim: are you running this year? [2015-04-15 5:20:47 PM] +RLim: no [2015-04-15 5:21:13 PM] +ShawnGray: SVulliez mentioned earlier that he'd be willing to run if the party can fund his deposit. [2015-04-15 5:21:33 PM] +ShawnGray: I may have someone willing to run in Victoria, but I'm still in the process of checking him out. [2015-04-15 5:22:06 PM] +john: Ok [2015-04-15 5:22:09 PM] +john: So [2015-04-15 5:22:26 PM] +john: I suggest we have a project management solution [2015-04-15 5:22:29 PM] +john: Of some kind [2015-04-15 5:22:39 PM] +john: To manage all of these tasks [2015-04-15 5:22:43 PM] +john: And coordinate [2015-04-15 5:22:45 PM] +ShawnGray: Kenneth from Quebec dropped his candidacy. He won't be able to go ahead after all. [2015-04-15 5:22:56 PM] +john: may I ask why? [2015-04-15 5:23:06 PM] @phillipsjk: A project manager perhaps? [2015-04-15 5:23:09 PM] +ShawnGray: Job instability I believe. [2015-04-15 5:23:27 PM] Techrev: I'm late [2015-04-15 5:24:16 PM] @CCitizen: Personally if we have the money to fund the deposit I say do it. Maybe structure it as a loan that needs to be paid back so we're not screwed out of $1000 like when Mikkel didn't fill out his paperwork and lost our deposit we paid for him [2015-04-15 5:24:19 PM] +ShawnGray: I have a PPCA election critical path that I've begun working on, but it's not as far advanced as I'd like in order to be able to say it'd be good for a PM to follow. [2015-04-15 5:24:44 PM] +john: phillipsjk: exactly [2015-04-15 5:25:50 PM] +john: looking at Feng office [2015-04-15 5:26:05 PM] +john: They have a FOSS server [2015-04-15 5:26:08 PM] +ShawnGray: We'll have to see who he has in mind for his official Agent. Bleskie had me, so that deposit went back promptly. [2015-04-15 5:26:42 PM] +john: So how many confirmed candidates do we have? [2015-04-15 5:27:06 PM] @phillipsjk: I was liek 5. If we lost one, that would be 4 [2015-04-15 5:27:24 PM] +ShawnGray: I sent an e-mail to candidates@ yesterday and only received Ken's withdrawal. [2015-04-15 5:27:33 PM] +RLim: and at least 2 expressed interest [2015-04-15 5:27:46 PM] +john: We also have the option of using a bug tracker as a project manager [2015-04-15 5:28:06 PM] +ShawnGray: I just got a reply from my potential Victoria candidate. This'll be his first federal election... [2015-04-15 5:29:02 PM] +john: ok [2015-04-15 5:29:03 PM] +john: So [2015-04-15 5:29:09 PM] +john: We need to plan [2015-04-15 5:29:11 PM] +john: A lot [2015-04-15 5:29:20 PM] +john: If we plan on making a dent [2015-04-15 5:30:09 PM] +john: Does anyone have any thoughts on using Redmine for project management? [2015-04-15 5:30:49 PM] +ShawnGray: I've heard the name before, but would need to know a bit more detail. Do you have a primer I can peruse? [2015-04-15 5:31:09 PM] @phillipsjk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redmine [2015-04-15 5:31:23 PM] * @phillipsjk had not heard of it either [2015-04-15 5:31:51 PM] +john: Mainly used for programming, but can be retrofitted for our purposes [2015-04-15 5:32:10 PM] Techrev: I've seen a few different web based project management options out there. Maybe we should look at a few of them, and decide? [2015-04-15 5:32:22 PM] @phillipsjk: "Redmine is reported to have more than 80 major installations worldwide." (huge!) :) [2015-04-15 5:32:29 PM] Techrev: It's been a few years since I did research on those, or set any up. [2015-04-15 5:32:40 PM] +john: Mind looking some up? [2015-04-15 5:32:52 PM] Techrev: I can over the next few days, for sure. [2015-04-15 5:33:06 PM] Techrev: If I don't see anything better, I'll say so. [2015-04-15 5:33:58 PM] +john: OK [2015-04-15 5:33:59 PM] +ShawnGray: Microsoft does have its MS Project as well. I've the latest edition and know how to use it pretty well. [2015-04-15 5:34:17 PM] Techrev: MS Project doesn't have a very good web interface if I remember right. [2015-04-15 5:34:27 PM] +ShawnGray: Not particularly. [2015-04-15 5:34:33 PM] Techrev: There are some good web based ones that work better for large groups. [2015-04-15 5:34:49 PM] Techrev: Though I really like MS Project in particular. [2015-04-15 5:35:19 PM] +ShawnGray: I hate using closed programs, but MS Project & OneNote were actually well made. [2015-04-15 5:35:34 PM] Techrev: *Redmine may be the best, john, I just don't know because it's been a few years. [2015-04-15 5:35:50 PM] +john: Ok [2015-04-15 5:36:03 PM] Techrev: *nod*, I agree, I wish they had a good web interface :/. [2015-04-15 5:36:51 PM] @phillipsjk: I promised to stop using the premium version of our mail software after they went "closed-source". [2015-04-15 5:37:47 PM] @phillipsjk: If we are keeping up with patches, closed source code are more likely to be the source of deliberate back-doors. [2015-04-15 5:38:26 PM] +RLim: yep [2015-04-15 5:38:29 PM] * @phillipsjk hopes that was just the right ammount of paranoia. [2015-04-15 5:38:43 PM] Techrev: Microsoft is mumbling about doing more open source stuff. The new Visual Studio is supposed to support Linux out of the box. I hate M$, but some of their tools I do like. [2015-04-15 5:39:22 PM] Techrev: Open source is the best way to go whenever possible, for sure :D. [2015-04-15 5:39:32 PM] +john: Can we make a motion to tentatively approve Redmine? [2015-04-15 5:40:05 PM] Techrev: If I can't find anything that everyone, including you john, thinks is better, I'm for it. [2015-04-15 5:40:22 PM] +john: ok [2015-04-15 5:41:03 PM] +RLim: let us not rush into it [2015-04-15 5:41:19 PM] +RLim: what exactly do you envision using it for? [2015-04-15 5:41:37 PM] +john: Managing different projects [2015-04-15 5:41:46 PM] +john: Drupal is great for discussion [2015-04-15 5:41:54 PM] +john: Not so much for management [2015-04-15 5:42:35 PM] @phillipsjk: We need to finish the server migration. It bleeds money until we finish [2015-04-15 5:43:14 PM] +john: What server migration? [2015-04-15 5:43:21 PM] Techrev: What has to be done for that, and is there room for more people to help or is it packed full of labor and just takes time to finish? [2015-04-15 5:43:55 PM] +RLim: nah. only few months left [2015-04-15 5:44:02 PM] @phillipsjk: I think we have been trouble requiting a stable IT committee since the party started. [2015-04-15 5:44:10 PM] @phillipsjk: *recruiting [2015-04-15 5:44:12 PM] +RLim: migration have potential for more problems [2015-04-15 5:44:52 PM] @phillipsjk: New services can presumably go directly to the new server. [2015-04-15 5:44:53 PM] +john: What's being migrated? [2015-04-15 5:45:43 PM] @phillipsjk: Wer have a proxmox VM with various containers. Should be "easy" [2015-04-15 5:46:19 PM] Techrev: Yeah, I ask because there are some very good technical people in the party. It's most likely under control. I offer help if needed, and I am good, but others here are pretty good too. [2015-04-15 5:46:32 PM] Techrev: I've done a lot of server migrations of many types, but yeah. [2015-04-15 5:46:46 PM] @phillipsjk: IRC server, website, Tor proxy (that got de-listed due to lack aof patches) [2015-04-15 5:47:32 PM] @phillipsjk: mail server [2015-04-15 5:48:21 PM] @phillipsjk: https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=IT_Committee#Services [2015-04-15 5:48:22 PM] @CCitizen: You know it might be cheaper just to pay someone qualified for a couple hours to migrate shit [2015-04-15 5:48:28 PM] Techrev: That's not a lot. A bit of work, but not bad. A good opportunity to fix the tor proxy. [2015-04-15 5:48:40 PM] @phillipsjk: It might be, actually. [2015-04-15 5:49:58 PM] +john: So we [2015-04-15 5:50:02 PM] +john: *er [2015-04-15 5:50:27 PM] +john: Any items of interest to discuss? [2015-04-15 5:50:42 PM] Techrev: *suddenly feels like chopped liver. I'm not sure what qualifications you're looking for, but I doubt you guys could afford me if I charged anyway :/. So, sok. [2015-04-15 5:51:36 PM] +john: .... [2015-04-15 5:51:36 PM] @phillipsjk: Techrev, depending on if your are self-employed, you have to bill us at commercial rates anyway. [2015-04-15 5:52:09 PM] @CCitizen: Techrev, Actually if you dont want money you can get a non-monetary tax receipt. [2015-04-15 5:52:09 PM] @phillipsjk: thout some can count as a "donation" (up to your contribution limit) [2015-04-15 5:52:41 PM] @CCitizen: If you want to maximize your return potential you'd just dump $400 in cash which leaves like $800 that can be contributed in non-monetary donations [2015-04-15 5:53:11 PM] Techrev: I, typically, volunteer and do things like this. We can't volunteer? [2015-04-15 5:53:25 PM] +john: Do you contract? [2015-04-15 5:53:35 PM] Techrev: No, I'm on disability. I can't. [2015-04-15 5:53:48 PM] +ShawnGray: Elections Canada has certain rules surrounding volunteering & political parties. Since you're on Dis, you should be good. [2015-04-15 5:53:55 PM] Techrev: Any money I make would have to be returned to my disability company anyway. [2015-04-15 5:53:59 PM] @phillipsjk: If you work for an employer, you can donate off company time. [2015-04-15 5:55:31 PM] Techrev: I, am, legitimately disabled, so I am not capable of working 8 hours a day, but I can do a few hours here and there volunteering without much issue. I set up a whole school network down in Florida this way. [2015-04-15 5:55:50 PM] +john: How would one help with the migration? [2015-04-15 5:56:23 PM] Techrev: Those servers and their data just need to be moved from one machine or vm to another, right? [2015-04-15 5:56:24 PM] @CCitizen: Well if you aren't self-employed you're fine [2015-04-15 5:57:51 PM] +ShawnGray: On Dis = technically not in the work force. Therefore, not self-employed. Plus, not even in-country by the sounds of it. [2015-04-15 5:57:59 PM] Techrev: Sure, so, let me know :D. It's not something that's difficult for me to do at all. [2015-04-15 5:59:05 PM] +john: If there's any more room for a worker, let me know too [2015-04-15 6:00:17 PM] Techrev: If it can be done, I'll do it. [2015-04-15 6:02:07 PM] +john: Ok [2015-04-15 6:02:07 PM] +ShawnGray: So... Umm... When are the results from the EB election due in? [2015-04-15 6:02:51 PM] @phillipsjk: Vote	Yes	No	Abstain	Total	AR [2015-04-15 6:02:51 PM] @phillipsjk: 1	9	1	5	15	90% [2015-04-15 6:02:51 PM] @phillipsjk: 2	9	3	3	15	75% [2015-04-15 6:02:51 PM] @phillipsjk: 3	Acclaimed [2015-04-15 6:02:51 PM] @phillipsjk: 4	9	3	3	15	75% [2015-04-15 6:02:52 PM] @phillipsjk: 5	10	2	3	15	83% [2015-04-15 6:03:07 PM] @phillipsjk: $vote1 = 'James Phillips (Phillipsjk)'; [2015-04-15 6:03:07 PM] @phillipsjk: $vote2 = 'Shawn Gray (Rintaran)'; [2015-04-15 6:03:07 PM] @phillipsjk: $vote3 = 'Nate Nainer'; [2015-04-15 6:03:07 PM] @phillipsjk: $vote4 = 'Shawn Vulliez (vulliez)'; [2015-04-15 6:03:07 PM] @phillipsjk: $vote5 = 'Ric Lim (RLim)'; [2015-04-15 6:03:08 PM] Techrev: Oh, and john, if there's a place to help you'll get yanked in :D. [2015-04-15 6:03:09 PM] +RLim: I see lots of blocked I [2015-04-15 6:03:26 PM] +john: Yay [2015-04-15 6:03:30 PM] @phillipsjk: tabs got eten :P [2015-04-15 6:03:36 PM] +ShawnGray: I guess that solves it. lol [2015-04-15 6:04:07 PM] @phillipsjk: I don't have the raw results all prettified. [2015-04-15 6:04:36 PM] +ShawnGray: Congratulations Mr. President! [2015-04-15 6:04:53 PM] +RLim: oo [2015-04-15 6:04:56 PM] @phillipsjk: there were like 140 empty votes, presumably generated when somebody loaded the page. [2015-04-15 6:04:59 PM] +ShawnGray: And congratulations Ric on your leadership victory? [2015-04-15 6:05:05 PM] +RLim: no! [2015-04-15 6:05:16 PM] Techrev: Gratz! [2015-04-15 6:05:26 PM] +RLim: that can't be [2015-04-15 6:05:55 PM] +RLim: I've said I am not running [2015-04-15 6:06:04 PM] +john: You were nominated [2015-04-15 6:06:19 PM] @phillipsjk: I never confirmed my nomination :P [2015-04-15 6:06:39 PM] +john: lol [2015-04-15 6:07:08 PM] +RLim: I mean not running for election so I meant to run for Deputy only [2015-04-15 6:07:09 PM] +RLim: lol [2015-04-15 6:07:12 PM] +ShawnGray: Well, phillpsjk, I just came back from a long time away from the party, so I can't be President yet. You'll just have to accept it. [2015-04-15 6:07:57 PM] +ShawnGray: Ric, you're super popular in the party. It's not really a surprise that you'd get the overall nod. [2015-04-15 6:08:20 PM] +john: +1 [2015-04-15 6:08:21 PM] Techrev: I didn't vote, but I would have voted for him, too. [2015-04-15 6:08:40 PM] +ShawnGray: Kinda crummy that you won't be running in the 42nd general election though. The leader should run a campaign. [2015-04-15 6:08:57 PM] +RLim: lol [2015-04-15 6:09:12 PM] Techrev: I don't know everyone's ideology yet, but I do know I like RLim's. [2015-04-15 6:09:51 PM] @phillipsjk: I can't believe I got the highest Approval Rating. I have been lazy the past year or so :P [2015-04-15 6:09:55 PM] * BrokenSyntax steps into the room. [2015-04-15 6:10:22 PM] +ShawnGray: It's because I've been gone so long & no one remembers me except the other old hats. [2015-04-15 6:10:26 PM] +ShawnGray: :P [2015-04-15 6:10:31 PM] +john: :p [2015-04-15 6:10:39 PM] @phillipsjk: You can /msg RLIM for voice, but the informal meeting looks almost over. [2015-04-15 6:11:21 PM] +ShawnGray: Ric, you should run in the election. I think you'd do a fine job. [2015-04-15 6:11:38 PM] +john: Agreed [2015-04-15 6:11:52 PM] Techrev: *nod* [2015-04-15 6:12:06 PM] +ShawnGray: You'd definitely do better than Mikkel, and can definitely bring a new aspect to any debates. [2015-04-15 6:12:12 PM] @phillipsjk: In #Canada-itcomm john suggested voice meetings. is there any interest in that? [2015-04-15 6:12:25 PM] @phillipsjk: Mumble is probably mature enough. [2015-04-15 6:12:27 PM] +RLim: I might just put my name in the ballot and attend forum [2015-04-15 6:12:32 PM] +RLim: I can't [2015-04-15 6:12:36 PM] +RLim: I have to take days off [2015-04-15 6:12:45 PM] +RLim: or leave since I work for gov [2015-04-15 6:12:46 PM] Techrev: Voice anything is weird for me. A lot of people like it. I feel funny even when I use my phone as a phone. [2015-04-15 6:12:49 PM] +RLim: or maybe not by that time [2015-04-15 6:13:10 PM] +ShawnGray: Ah, that's the catch. I forgot what was holding you back from running. [2015-04-15 6:13:34 PM] +RLim: but we are in the process of being privatized [2015-04-15 6:13:52 PM] * @phillipsjk face-palms [2015-04-15 6:13:52 PM] +RLim: but won't likely be taking leave and doing door to door [2015-04-15 6:13:58 PM] +RLim: lol [2015-04-15 6:14:07 PM] +RLim: oh Canadian Wheatboard [2015-04-15 6:14:10 PM] +RLim: how much are they paying? [2015-04-15 6:14:22 PM] +RLim: are they paying less than the value of all the equipments [2015-04-15 6:14:23 PM] +RLim: ? [2015-04-15 6:14:28 PM] +ShawnGray: Two peanuts and a crackerjack. [2015-04-15 6:14:30 PM] +RLim: being bought by Saudi [2015-04-15 6:14:47 PM] +john: lol [2015-04-15 6:14:55 PM] +RLim: maybe that's why it was privatized so they can sell it and privatize it [2015-04-15 6:15:08 PM] +john: so [2015-04-15 6:15:21 PM] +john: Can someone summarize today's meeting? [2015-04-15 6:15:23 PM] +john: Ooh [2015-04-15 6:15:23 PM] +RLim: anyways [2015-04-15 6:15:42 PM] +john: I remeber someone suggesting the 3 pîråtē rule [2015-04-15 6:16:34 PM] +ShawnGray: I've got it logged, but can give a short summary: [2015-04-15 6:17:38 PM] +ShawnGray: Wordpress for victorious crowdsourced policies, forum for discussion & suggestions. We're down to maybe 3 confirmed candidates, but have 2 prospective candidates (which may or may not include SVulliez & a Victoria candidate) [2015-04-15 6:18:24 PM] @phillipsjk: Nice, meeting minutes! [2015-04-15 6:18:35 PM] Techrev: How does one become a candidate? I don't think I qualify, but I would like to help push for more. [2015-04-15 6:18:36 PM] +ShawnGray: There was some discussion about PM software, and it seems Redmine was the general winner. A lot of work is still being done to migrate servers & Techrev put forth his name to help. [2015-04-15 6:19:11 PM] @phillipsjk: john, poke me if you need help/wiki access. I normally just dump the raw transcript of informal meetings. [2015-04-15 6:19:12 PM] +RLim: well our new secretary better show his face online [2015-04-15 6:19:15 PM] +ShawnGray: Also, the results of the EB election were posted. [2015-04-15 6:20:27 PM] @phillipsjk: I should probably post those of the forum like RLIm did for the PC results. [2015-04-15 6:22:31 PM] +ShawnGray: The secretary was a regular face during GMs previously right? [2015-04-15 6:23:26 PM] +RLim: yeah [2015-04-15 6:23:47 PM] +RLim: but there's also proposal to make GM asynchronous? [2015-04-15 6:23:50 PM] +ShawnGray: Then, hopefully, it won't be an issue. And so long as I make it, you have the one that drafted the Clerk's Guide to help. [2015-04-15 6:23:50 PM] +RLim: is that the term [2015-04-15 6:23:57 PM] +RLim: so once we setup the forum we should probably do that [2015-04-15 6:24:10 PM] +RLim: or use existing my.pirateparty.ca since that is the one with members authentication [2015-04-15 6:24:19 PM] * @phillipsjk does not like async meetings. [2015-04-15 6:24:26 PM] +RLim: phillipsjk: why not? [2015-04-15 6:24:41 PM] +RLim: granted in person meeting [2015-04-15 6:24:48 PM] +RLim: or rather live meeting is still better [2015-04-15 6:24:56 PM] +ShawnGray: I'm not a huge fan either. Allows too much lag in between post responses. [2015-04-15 6:24:59 PM] +RLim: we see that on PC when we have mumble meeting [2015-04-15 6:25:14 PM] +RLim: quicker exchange of thoughts than one post ....wait....reply.... [2015-04-15 6:25:18 PM] +ShawnGray: Live meetings are the way to be. [2015-04-15 6:25:18 PM] +RLim: it destroy the momentum [2015-04-15 6:26:13 PM] @phillipsjk: I move to call the meeting because it has been nearly 90 minutes. [2015-04-15 6:26:33 PM] +RLim: aye [2015-04-15 6:26:35 PM] +RLim: second [2015-04-15 6:26:36 PM] +ShawnGray: Aye. [2015-04-15 6:27:06 PM] @phillipsjk: Thank for showing up everybody.