EB 2012-12-09 transcript



All log times are in Central Time

18:37 < JohannWeiss> I'm calling this meeting to order 18:38 < JohannWeiss> I will chair, our secretary will take minutes. We have Jake, WIlson, and Patrick in attendance 18:38 < JohannWeiss> RLim: can you post the minutes from last week 18:38 < JohannWeiss> ? 18:38 <@CCitizen> I dont think we did much last week did we 18:38 < JohannWeiss> Not that I recall 18:39 < JakeDaynesPPCA> I believe we agreed to let the banking issues be fixed before we decided anything 18:39 < JohannWeiss> Which has happened, correct? 18:39 < Wilson> So I guess an update on the banking issue is in order then. 18:40 < RLim> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EB_2012-12-02_minutes 18:41 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Yes - I read the email that was sent out and want to let you guys know that I have not been phoned in regards to the bank cards, but that i'll be trying to go pick them up this saturday 18:41 hey I'm in coquitlam jakedaynesppca 18:41 < JakeDaynesPPCA> or sooner if I get a chance 18:41 < JakeDaynesPPCA> ah - gotcha 18:41 but im here 18:41 just woke up from a power nap 18:41 <@CCitizen> Why dont they just mail the cards 18:41 < JohannWeiss> At least we can see the light at the end of the tunnel now 18:41 < JakeDaynesPPCA> CCitizen: They need to be picked up from the branches 18:41 < JakeDaynesPPCA> because they need to be programmed etc 18:42 < JohannWeiss> Are there any corrections to the minutes? 18:42 < JakeDaynesPPCA> None that I see 18:42 <@CCitizen> Ah... I thought they just set them up and mailed them at least I think thats what TD did for mine 18:42 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Don't think so - a VISA maybe, but not debit cards 18:42 <@CCitizen> Ah so I'd have to go into my branch to pick it up 18:43 < JohannWeiss> The minutes are approved 18:43 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Yes 18:43 < JohannWeiss> There's no agenda, so any new business? 18:43 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Umm, aside from the update on the cards, and Shawn finishing the EC paperwork for the address change, I'm not sure 18:44 < RLim> JakeDaynesPPCA CCitizen we need to confirm if they are sending just one to Jake or all of us 18:44 < JohannWeiss> Travis, is there something in particular you wanted to discuss? (or were you just here to chat) 18:44 < TravisMcCrea> I actually have two 18:44 < RLim> I mentioned that if she can only sent one then it should be to Jake 18:44 < JakeDaynesPPCA> RLim: We should simply be able to go into the branches and pick them up 18:44 < RLim> next day she asked for Jake's contact 18:45 <@CCitizen> personally I dont care as long as Jake gets at least one 18:45 < JakeDaynesPPCA> But she confirmed that we're now on the accounts - correct? 18:45 < TravisMcCrea> I would like to discuss PPI GA 2013 as well as an ATIP for the Ministry of FA and Trade on TPP 18:45 < RLim> yeah JakeDaynesPPCA at least if our files have been updated then they should allow us to access it since I said it will be an OR 18:45 < RLim> just one signature needed. 18:45 < JohannWeiss> Travis: way to many acronyms 18:45 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Which means they don't need to send any out - we just need to go in with the account info and get the cards 18:45 < JakeDaynesPPCA> RLim: Whose signature? 18:45 < RLim> three of us 18:46 < RLim> isn't that right? 18:46 <@CCitizen> I cant imagine a setup that would require an AND setup with more than 2 people 18:46 < JakeDaynesPPCA> RLim: We already signed the paperwork etc 18:46 < JakeDaynesPPCA> so we should be able to go in with Photo ID and the account details and get the cards 18:47 < RLim> yeah so do we get online access through our branch? 18:47 <@CCitizen> Any branch can just make up a card? 18:47 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Yeah 18:47 < JakeDaynesPPCA> RLim: yes to that as well 18:47 < RLim> I'll give taht a try but unfortunately might not have any time until after January 18:47 < RLim> will be out of town 18:47 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Patrick? 18:47 < RLim> after first week of January 18:47 <@CCitizen> Yeah? 18:48 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Can you go in to the bank this week? 18:48 < JakeDaynesPPCA> I'll be able to go in Saturday 18:49 <@CCitizen> I can try sometime this week maybe... all depends on when I wake up. I have night shift job during the week and no transportation in the afternoon except by foot. 18:50 < JohannWeiss> What is the priority for when we do have access to funds? 18:50 < JohannWeiss> Like what's overdue. 18:51 <@CCitizen> I think pay iWeb then switch over to Hetzner 18:51 < JakeDaynesPPCA> iWeb I can pay up right now through Paypal 18:52 < JohannWeiss> Is there any other outstanding bills? 18:52 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Hetzner is next (need to activate a VISA through BMO, because the one we were using was a prepaid in stephane's name) 18:52 <@CCitizen> Ah you have access to PPCA paypal then 18:52 < JakeDaynesPPCA> I don't believe so 18:52 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Yeah 18:53 <@CCitizen> Ah... you know something I found out with my Nephew's account at TD is they have like debit cards that will actually work as a VISA online... I wonder if BMO can do that (probably not) 18:54 < JohannWeiss> What about IT things that were delayed by the banking issue, is there anything we can start moving on now, but couldn't before? 18:54 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Probably not - but I can get it activated on Saturday 18:54 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Hetzner is the delay 18:54 < JakeDaynesPPCA> and that requires the VISA/account access 18:54 < JakeDaynesPPCA> they don't accept paypal 18:56 <@CCitizen> I dont blame them... Paypal has some pretty piss poor policies and is prone to spontaneously closing accounts 18:56 < JohannWeiss> Along with being anti-wikileaks 18:56 < JohannWeiss> (yet pro-KKK) 18:57 < JohannWeiss> Is there anything else we need to figure out tongith for the banking thing, or can we move on to other business? 18:57 <@CCitizen> Yeah and if Hetzner had any accounts that served up porn they'd probably get banned 18:57 < JakeDaynesPPCA> about to pay iWeb 18:57 <@CCitizen> I think we can move on 18:57 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Paid 18:58 < JakeDaynesPPCA> we have 1410.98 in Paypal 18:58 < JakeDaynesPPCA> (post-payment) 18:58 < JohannWeiss> Travis wanted to discuss some international Pirate stuff 18:58 < JohannWeiss> So TravisMcCrea, take the floor 18:59 < TravisMcCrea> Okay to start with, I would like to send this letter: http://pastie.org/5504473 to the Canadian department of Foreign Affairs and Trade 18:59 < TravisMcCrea> It requests access to Trans Pacific Partnership negotiation details for the Canadian part of the negotations 19:00 <@CCitizen> I say go for it 19:00 < TravisMcCrea> this is a coordinated effort with Americans, Australians, and New Zealanders to request this information through various Access to Information laws in the different countries 19:00 < JakeDaynesPPCA> I would amend it to include that 19:00 < TravisMcCrea> I would like to promote the efforts as a Pirate Party goal, rather than me just getting information on my own. 19:00 < JakeDaynesPPCA> something along the lines of: 19:00 <@CCitizen> Though I'm gonna be pessimistic and assume we'll just get 10 pages of redacted crap :P 19:01 < TravisMcCrea> (though I will pay the $5 fee myself :) ) 19:01 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Additionally, a similar letter has been sent to governments in various other nations involved in the negotiations blah blah blah 19:01 < JakeDaynesPPCA> but yeah - I agree that we should send it 19:01 < JohannWeiss> I say go for it as well, but FYI, it's more of a council thing. 19:02 < RLim> Does council have another meeting room or they tend to be here also 19:02 < RLim> ? 19:02 <@CCitizen> I would say we should try to ask for a list of parties involved in the negotiations 19:02 < JohannWeiss> No idea 19:02 < JakeDaynesPPCA> council is in #canada-pc too 19:02 < TravisMcCrea> I wanted to get the easy one out of the way because the next one is a doozy (dontchaknow). I am coming on behalf of the PPI board, requesting that Pirate Party of Canada steps up to the plate and makes an offer to host the next PPI GA 19:03 < RLim> well anybody who is there rightnow is in this channel 19:03 < JohannWeiss> But you are our international coordinator and this is an international thing, so go for it 19:03 < JohannWeiss> .... 19:03 < JohannWeiss> When 19:03 < JohannWeiss> ? 19:03 < TravisMcCrea> PPI wanted Canada to make an offer last year, and we said no, Mikkel had told PPI that we needed "one more year" 19:03 < RLim> what year or when TravisMcCrea ? 19:03 < JakeDaynesPPCA> 2013 19:03 <@CCitizen> Well if we did host the best option would probably be in Vancouver since thats where the most active concentrations in the PPCA are 19:04 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Spring - correct? 19:04 < RLim> wow pretty close. Not a lot of time to organize 19:04 < TravisMcCrea> I don't know the exact date, I know it would be within 6 months. We would have just as much time to organize as any other party who put in a bid 19:04 < RLim> We should get Shawn Gray involve. I think he have background in organizing events 19:05 < JohannWeiss> Do you have info on the previous year? (attendances, cost, etc) 19:05 < TravisMcCrea> shawn and I were talking and I believe it would be in the best interest of the International Community to hold it in Toronto. 19:05 < Wilson> why? 19:05 < TravisMcCrea> It would rally our base that is on the East Coast, and makes travel from EU and South America cheaper 19:05 < RLim> yeah I want us to hold a GA in Canada. I thought we are aiming for 2014 but I am open to it. More of PC decision I think 19:06 < RLim> hmm we don't have a strong base in Toronto or east coast 19:07 < TravisMcCrea> Toronto or Montreal -- I know that it moves it away from Vancouver where we do have a lot of support, but in addition to the ease of PPI -- it could do wonders of gaining excitement and encouraging an East Coast group to really start taking off. If we keep holding things in the West coast, we will have a self fulfilling prophecy of having a strong West Coast base. However, there are valid arguments for holding it in 19:07 < TravisMcCrea> Vancouver 19:07 < RLim> so we might end up spending more including travel expenses. I don't think our officers have money to pay for their own travel expense. 19:07 < RLim> I think Montreal might be better venue 19:07 < TravisMcCrea> Vancouver has a strong base, and it would also be closer to Washington who would probably want to help out 19:07 < TravisMcCrea> Montreal and TO would both be great options 19:07 < RLim> if it have to be East coast 19:07 < TravisMcCrea> on an international level 19:08 < JohannWeiss> It would make it easier for the European Pirates to travel 19:08 < Wilson> point of clarification: Montreal is not the east coast (but moving on) 19:08 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Though if we play the long game, and look at it from the perspective of having all our current issues dealt with, I think it would make sense to do it in Montreal - it's a more central location, and in reality, this should pay for itself and flights for several members (entrance fees) 19:08 < TravisMcCrea> The cost of tickets alone shoots up over $200 each way to go to Vancouver 19:08 < JakeDaynesPPCA> I'm open to this, but Travis, can you get us previous year's financial numbers? 19:09 < JohannWeiss> Yes 19:09 < JohannWeiss> I think we need more info on this (it's kinda big) before committing to it 19:09 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Agreed ^ 19:09 < TravisMcCrea> Of course, I will get you all the information you need 19:09 < TravisMcCrea> though last GA had a surplus 19:09 < JohannWeiss> Can you get in touch with the previous organizers and either have them contact us, or get info from them? 19:09 < RLim> how much did delegates have to pay last time TravisMcCrea ? 19:10 < JohannWeiss> Do you think you could have that for us by next Sunday? 19:10 < TravisMcCrea> The financials are hard to get because there was mismanagement of the funds and it's actually leading to a possible legal issue (that seems to be sorted out now) but yeah… the point is the previous PPI board and the Swiss were having issues 19:10 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Yeah - I'd prefer to do an ROI and standard CA on this before we commit 19:10 < RLim> and any lessons they have learned would be invaluable to us 19:11 < TravisMcCrea> Stand by for 20 seconds guy I need to get the deadline for different things 19:11 < TravisMcCrea> or better said the timeline of PPI GA 2013 19:11 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Yeah - a hard date would be nice too 19:12 < TravisMcCrea> We need to know by the 25th if we are going to do it 19:12 < RLim> know that we are in the running or know that we willb e hosting? 19:12 < TravisMcCrea> That includes a basic plan of what we are going to do 19:12 < JohannWeiss> So Christmass 19:12 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Then you need to get us the details 19:12 < JakeDaynesPPCA> like - ASAP 19:12 < TravisMcCrea> I will 19:12 < JohannWeiss> And quickly 19:13 < TravisMcCrea> lol ASAP AND QUICKLY? 19:13 < TravisMcCrea> I think i can only do one of those 19:13 <@CCitizen> So that gives us 2 meetings, one of which will probably be low or no attendance (23rd) 19:13 < RLim> yes it's that urgent! lol 19:13 < JohannWeiss> I'm crazy busy with work starting tomorrow 19:13 < TravisMcCrea> Okay I will get you the stuff from PPI's side, can you guys start an email thread amongst you guys and lay out pro's and con's of QC vs BC 19:13 < JakeDaynesPPCA> That's fine - I'll have some more time this week to deal with it 19:14 < TravisMcCrea> and budgets and stuff 19:14 < RLim> my December is pretty bust and depends if I get internet where I am 19:14 < TravisMcCrea> Also it looks like they want to hold it in March 19:14 < JohannWeiss> Anyone interested in spearheading this? 19:14 < TravisMcCrea> but we could negotiate a better time 19:14 <@CCitizen> So about 4 months... thats pretty short time frame 19:14 < TravisMcCrea> JohannWeiss as int'l coordinator I would love to be involved, if it does take place in the East Coast 19:14 < RLim> TravisMcCrea: are they asking us to committ soon or just submit interest to host 19:14 < RLim> ? 19:14 < TravisMcCrea> err 19:14 < TravisMcCrea> that was the wrong place to press enter 19:15 < TravisMcCrea> I would love to be involved, if it is chosen to happen on the east coast, I would love to help out further on the ground. RLim we need to be committed by the 25th 19:15 < RLim> but since it's March. Can we host it properly? 19:16 < TravisMcCrea> sorry: We need to make an offer by the 2th 19:16 < TravisMcCrea> 25th* 19:16 < TravisMcCrea> and then we would be approved on the 8th 19:16 < RLim> We still need to scout out a place. This is bigger than planning a wedding and it takes a year to plan a wedding 19:16 < Wilson> Started a BC vs QC thread in the EB forum 19:16 < RLim> lol 19:16 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Sounds good 19:16 < TravisMcCrea> However, if we make the bid I can almost promise that PPI will be voting in favour of it 19:16 < TravisMcCrea> because PPI is begging Canada to join 19:16 < TravisMcCrea> err host* 19:16 < TravisMcCrea> RLim it is very possible for us to do it in that amount of time 19:16 < TravisMcCrea> it's the same time frame that every other GA has been in 19:16 < RLim> ok. I assume we will get assistance from PPI on planning 19:17 < TravisMcCrea> RLim yes, actually PPI likes to be as involved as possible helping find hosts and things 19:17 <@CCitizen> It dont take a year to plan a wedding if you run off to Vegas :P 19:17 < RLim> everything needs to be transparent especially finances. 19:17 < TravisMcCrea> they will back off if you want them too, but the PPI board is elected almost exclusively to put together the next GA 19:17 < JakeDaynesPPCA> How long did the convention last, last time? 19:17 < RLim> Don't want any controversy. Sounds like they have some controversy before from what you've said earlier 19:18 < TravisMcCrea> JakeDaynesPPCA 3 days (I remember because they were 2 sleepless nights for me) 19:18 <@CCitizen> Well we need to know how many would be attending and get a venue to support it 19:18 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Yeah 19:18 < TravisMcCrea> Last year was 250 people they are projecting 150 for a non-eu meeting 19:18 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Travis - get us the following please: 19:18 < RLim> and what if there's cost overrun? 19:19 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Estimated attendance - perfect 19:19 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Last year's estimated cost 19:19 < JakeDaynesPPCA> last years attendance fees 19:19 < JakeDaynesPPCA> list of attending nations (based on last years/estimated) 19:19 < TravisMcCrea> RLim it will be PPCA's responsibility to cover costs if it underestimates costs. However, the goal is to have a surplus to help the next GA 19:19 < JakeDaynesPPCA> as well as any planning details from last year that are available 19:20 <@CCitizen> So I'd guess we'd plan on the income for 150 attendees and be prepared for up to 250? 19:20 < JohannWeiss> http://riclim.com/forum/discussion/24/ppi-ga-discussion 19:20 < JakeDaynesPPCA> I'd plan on 200 19:20 < TravisMcCrea> http://www.pp-international.net/node/517 19:20 < JohannWeiss> Post any info there 19:20 < TravisMcCrea> The participation fee is 25€ (35€ after April 1st). <= Per person 19:21 <@CCitizen> well 35 after april 1st wouldnt be possible if we had it in march :D 19:21 < RLim> after April 1st? 19:21 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Ric - can you approve my membership 19:21 < JakeDaynesPPCA> to Vanilla? 19:21 < TravisMcCrea> RLim they hosted it mid april last year 19:22 < RLim> JakeDaynesPPCA: done 19:22 < TravisMcCrea> April 13-15 19:22 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Thanks 19:22 It may be more prudent to wait another year 19:22 but I'm excited at the idea 19:22 < JakeDaynesPPCA> It may be - but we can find out all the information and figure out what we want to do before christmas 19:23 whenever we decide to do it 19:23 <@CCitizen> Really though in the future it'd probably be better to start planning it the year ahead or approving the next years one right after the existing one 19:23 < TravisMcCrea> Next year Australia is making a bid, they are actually going to ask to change the rules to make their bid early 19:23 Indeed J. 19:23 yeah I agree with CCitizen as well. 19:23 < TravisMcCrea> So it wouldn't be for 2 years, and honestly we can keep putting it off -- but I think if we knew we were going to do it next year, we would stall until a couple months before it and start to work anyway 19:24 <@CCitizen> If it's an annual thing PPI might want to set it up so the bids come in right after the last one thus giving maximum time to plan 19:24 <@CCitizen> More planning can only result in better outcomes :) but yeah 19:24 < RLim> the advantage of 2014 is it is closer to our election. But starting early is fine also. My only concern is not hosting it properly. But if have assistance then that's fine 19:25 < TravisMcCrea> :P We are a nerd party, I know how our minds work. 19:25 < TravisMcCrea> The thing is, we will have just as much time as any other party to plan it. Especially since the "major" Pirate Parties have no interest in hosting it including Germany, Sweden, and the UK 19:26 < RLim> Does not seem like anyone is interested for 2013 19:26 < TravisMcCrea> I don't think we are less competent than the others who will attempt it 19:26 < JohannWeiss> Post info here http://riclim.com/forum/discussion/24/ppi-ga-discussion and we'll discuss it through the week. Hopefully we can get a decision hammered out by next sunday 19:26 < TravisMcCrea> Sounds good, I will follow up in the thread -- was there any other information I needed to grab, because it seems like I covered JakeDaynesPPCA 's list 19:26 < RLim> TravisMcCrea: sign up there also and provide as much info as you can get 19:26 < TravisMcCrea> Outside of last years financials 19:27 < RLim> I would like to know more about financial issues that they have 19:27 < RLim> how to prevent it from happening again 19:27 I' 19:27 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Yes - also, if we are in surplus, what happens to the extra funds? 19:27 < TravisMcCrea> Don't spend money that you were asked not to spend 19:27 I'd like to float an idea after we 19:28 're done with this subject. It's more PC in subject matter, but I'd like to talk about the budget. 19:28 < RLim> we need an Election Canada format of Agent approving everything 19:28 < TravisMcCrea> They were asked to charge more for their attendance fees to help fund the next PPI GA, they saw that there was extra money in their account so they used that money to buy more stuff 19:28 It's a promotional idea that Jake and I discussed recently. 19:29 < RLim> so are any surplus property of PPI GA I guess 19:29 < JohannWeiss> Do we have anything we more to discuss on the PPI GA topic or can we move it to the forum? 19:30 < TravisMcCrea> just to quickly answer RLim -- in last years case yes 19:30 < TravisMcCrea> but it's case by case 19:30 < TravisMcCrea> I am more saying "if you make an agreement, honour it.." that's pretty straight forward :P 19:30 < JakeDaynesPPCA> I think we would need to set out very strict rules about fund allocation etc afterward 19:30 < JakeDaynesPPCA> afterwards* 19:33 < JohannWeiss> shawn, what did you want to bring forward. 19:34 < RLim> just a quick note that we can also coordinate mail out for signatures with announcement of hosting PPI GA to rally our members 19:34 < RLim> done 19:35 <@CCitizen> I would say we should as part of policy make our monthly mailout for the GM include some newsletter elements too 19:35 I wanted to to float the idea of doing a series of bus stop ads in the coming year, targeting a single spot in various cities we plan to run in with parody ads, information-dense public comics, and other attention grabbing posters 19:36 one ad in one place in toronto for a month, one ad in one place in calgary, and so on 19:36 For a month for a street ad it's something like $600 19:36 but we could get our brand out there in the real world, as well as have an archive of all of them to date on our website 19:37 < JakeDaynesPPCA> http://www.vancouvertransitadvertising.com/dev/wordpress/products-and-rates/traditional-products/ 19:37 <@CCitizen> Sounds doable... and thats for just one stop? 19:37 yeah 19:37 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Or we do it ON the buses (inside) for less 19:37 jake those are on buses 19:37 < JakeDaynesPPCA> see link 19:37 I'm hoping to do street level 19:38 < RLim> a busy intersection 19:38 <@CCitizen> How much for a billboard :D 19:38 < RLim> or do they charge more depending on location? 19:38 <@CCitizen> Go big or go home 19:38 they do, a bit 19:38 < TravisMcCrea> Let's just vinyl wrap the bus, eh? 19:38 jake, they actually cost more to do on-bus campaigns 19:39 because they're 26 dollars each 19:39 minimum 50 19:39 so its 1300 for a bus campaign in a city 19:39 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Ah - didn't see the minimum 19:39 yeah, sucks 19:39 < RLim> billboards are expensive CCitizen 19:39 <@CCitizen> Damn 19:39 < JohannWeiss> Start small, get bigger 19:39 I think the street level bus board is perfect because it's personal, and people are going to see it up close 19:40 < RLim> yeah 19:40 so we can do like a big informational comic with a bunch of citations at the bottom 19:40 and it will go viral based on the merit that its displayed in public somewhere 19:40 <@CCitizen> slap a few qrcodes on it so people can scan them with their phones 19:40 < RLim> qrcode for link to website to share that link? 19:40 each ad we do, we could do a new design entirely 19:41 < RLim> great minds think alike eh CCitizen ? :P 19:41 <@CCitizen> Hey everyone has a cell phone these days 19:41 <@CCitizen> also they're more likely to be used by the demographic the party appeals to the 16-30 crowd 19:42 < TravisMcCrea> International Perspective: Did you guys see the advertisements the local party in Germany have created? They have been taking famous advertising (like GreenPeace) and redesigning it into a Pirate Party advertisement. 19:43 < TravisMcCrea> Always Fresh Pirate Party, anyone? 19:44 <@CCitizen> Well we want to appeal to Canadians and get their votes... that said I dont mind if we parody other ad campaigns 19:44 I think Jake was saying something similar too 19:44 I like the idea of running parody ads 19:44 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Just sent a rate request for street level ads to Pattison Group for Van, TO and Montreal 19:46 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Also - Miechaelangelo Displays are 116 a pop - http://www.vancouvertransitadvertising.com/dev/wordpress/products-and-rates/traditional-products/ 19:46 < RLim> less noticeable 19:46 < RLim> and fewer audiene 19:46 < RLim> *audience 19:47 < JakeDaynesPPCA> fair enough 19:49 < JohannWeiss> That could be interesting 19:50 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Very 19:51 <@CCitizen> Id rather go for the one thats gonna get more impressions 19:51 < JohannWeiss> Well I suppose we'll discuss this more in January, the PPI decision will likely take most of our time till Christmass 19:52 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Yeah 19:52 <@CCitizen> yeah besides people dont want to be reminded about politics at christmas :P 19:52 < RLim> Will anyone be here for the GM on 19th? 19:52 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Yes 19:52 < RLim> I will be away 19:52 <@CCitizen> I dunno... my work schedule is 9-1am so I'll probably miss the GM 19:52 < JohannWeiss> I also can't guarantee what time I will be getting the meeting next Sunday, I've been told I'm working, but not given the shift time 19:52 < JohannWeiss> I should be at the 19th 19:53 < JohannWeiss> but like usually, a bit late 19:53 < JohannWeiss> (can't get home any sooner on transit) 19:53 < RLim> I am almost certain I won't be here next Sunday 19:53 < RLim> I will try to check e-mail and forum whenever I can 19:53 < JohannWeiss> When I get my shift, I'll email the exec to tell you all when I can make it 19:53 < JakeDaynesPPCA> okay - is the mailserver working right now? 19:54 < JohannWeiss> Not sure 19:54 < JohannWeiss> send a test? 19:54 < JakeDaynesPPCA> try emailing jakedaynes@pirateparty.ca? 19:54 < TravisMcCrea> Also just a heads up -- We would probably be able to extend the time that we have to actually host it until May or June if we needed to. It might actually work better for the other members of PPI since they will have to fundraise to raise money to come. 19:54 < JohannWeiss> I'd like to poke you all about the piratepaty.ca/forum 19:54 < JohannWeiss> We need people post 19:54 < RLim> yeah that sounds better IMHO TravisMcCrea 19:55 < TravisMcCrea> Plus, again, the entire PPI board is itching to have PPCA host the event -- so we will do what it takes to make it work if Canada agrees. 19:56 < JakeDaynesPPCA> webmail is working... 19:56 < JakeDaynesPPCA> (Horde is up) 19:58 Can someone give me an update on the meeting, im a bit late 19:58 <@CCitizen> Either way despite it'll cost more I say Vancouver should probably be the place we have it... also if you have it scheduled for like may or june I might be able to schedule some time off... how many days is it expected to be? 3 days? 1 week? 19:58 < JakeDaynesPPCA> 3 19:58 < RLim> 3 days but for organizer probably few days before and after at least 19:59 < JohannWeiss> adpaolucci: bank stuff is working out, Travis is sending a freedom of information request about the TPP, we're discussing hosting the PPI general Assembly next year 19:59 <@CCitizen> so probably 5 total? 19:59 < RLim> yeah CCitizen 20:00 < RLim> good opportunity to contact the press. So we need someone in charge of that 20:00 < RLim> part of the things we need to discuss and work out once we decide to host it 20:00 < TravisMcCrea> Personally -- I would love to have the GA in Vancouver so I can come back for a bit 20:01 < TravisMcCrea> Speaking as a member of the PPI board, I would strongly advise against it. 20:01 < TravisMcCrea> I also laid out why I think it might be economically a bad idea in the thread 20:03 <@CCitizen> Having it in Vancouver cant be any worse than having it in Australia 20:03 <@CCitizen> financially that is 20:04 < TravisMcCrea> Plus if we come in under budget -- we can always have JakeDaynesPPCA take one for the team http://www.ebay.de/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221163319183#ht_6805wt_183 20:04 <@CCitizen> hehe whats that say 20:05 < TravisMcCrea> It's a german pirate who is running for parliament -- he is letting someone advertise by a tattoo on himself to raise money for his campaign 20:05 <@CCitizen> hahaha 20:05 < TravisMcCrea> He's up to 5K Euro 20:05 < RLim> Forehead will be more noticeable. 20:06 -!- adpaolucci [~adpaolucc@216.59.y.nh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:06 <@CCitizen> haha Forehead is a career ender though :P 20:06 < TravisMcCrea> http://www.deseretnews.com/article/600145187/Mom-sells-face-space-for-tattoo-advertisement.html?pg=all 20:06 < JakeDaynesPPCA> I already have 4 of them, with 6 more planned 20:06 < JakeDaynesPPCA> ... 20:06 < TravisMcCrea> (they actually link to that article in the ebay auction) 20:07 < RLim> wow I hope she get paid really good for that. 20:07 < RLim> ok did not read the text 20:07 < TravisMcCrea> JakeDaynesPPCA that's exactly why I thought you would be a good candidate 20:07 < RLim> $10,000 20:08 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Depends on the contract - if they don't state a timeframe, just get it laser removed with a small portion of the money 20:08 < TravisMcCrea> It's not like we could sully shawn's ivory skin of silk 20:10 < JohannWeiss> Wrap up the meeting? 20:10 -!- adpaolucci [~adpaolucc@64.231.ksk.kyu] has joined #canada-meetings 20:10 my vps died, what did I miss? 20:10 < TravisMcCrea> Pirate tattoos, money, and a suggestion to wrap up the meeting 20:10 adpaolucci: I think the GA would do better in MTL for the EU folks 20:11 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Yeah - I'm gonna go make dinner 20:11 < JakeDaynesPPCA> time to wrap up 20:11 < RLim> ^ 20:11 < Wilson> I motion we adjourn 20:11 aye 20:11 < JakeDaynesPPCA> aye 20:11 < RLim> aye 20:11 < JakeDaynesPPCA> seconded* 20:11 < Wilson> aye 20:11 < JohannWeiss> aye 20:12 < JohannWeiss> Motion passed, meeting adjourned

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