GM 2012-07-31 transcript



NOTE: All log times are in Canadian Central Time.

20:17 <@JMcleod> Well I'll go ahead and call this to order 20:17 <@JMcleod> Simple, how much longer should we wait for quorum? 20:18 <+JohannWeiss> 45 min? 20:18 < Nuitari> JMcleod: yes? 20:18 <+BobJonkman> The meeting is already over an hour late in starting. What time was it scheduled to end? 20:18 < Nuitari> eh 20:18 <+jlamothe> There's a scheduled ending time? 20:18 < Nuitari> hi BobJonkman 20:18 <+BobJonkman> Hi Nuitari! 20:18 <+JohannWeiss> We never have end time's scheduled 20:18 <@JMcleod> We dont have scheduled ending times 20:18 <@RLim> Need one more for quorum Nuitari 20:18 < Nuitari> hopefully the new constitution will consider the number of votes as part of the quorum... 20:18 < Nuitari> BobJonkman: long time no see 20:18 <@JMcleod> Nuitari, we are missing 1 for quorum, so I pinged everyone not voiced 20:19 <+BobJonkman> Nuitari: I've been away from PPCA for a while 20:19 < Nuitari> you can voice me 20:19 < Nuitari> BobJonkman: yeah, me too 20:19 <@JMcleod> Ok - Quorum attained 20:20 <+Wilson> yay quorum 20:20 <@JMcleod> So we will go to this quickly 20:20 <@JMcleod> 1st order of business 20:20 <@JMcleod> Travis McCrea is resigning from Deputy Leader role to focus his energies elsewher 20:21 <@JMcleod> So, by formality, we need to simply accept his resignation 20:21 <@JMcleod> Does anyone wish to speak against him resigning? 20:22 < mib_bxmccm> nay 20:23 <@JMcleod> Alright then, we are voting on "Accepting Travis McCrea's resignation as Deputy Leader" - Aye if you agree, Nay if you disagree 20:23 <@RLim> aye 20:23 <+voronaam> aye 20:23 <+jlamothe> aye 20:23 <+JohannWeiss> aye 20:23 <+khoover> aye 20:23 <+BobJonkman> aye 20:23 <+Wilson> aye 20:23 <+juzt4me> aye 20:23 <+Nuitari> aye 20:23 <+Ampersand> aye 20:24 <@JMcleod> K, Travis' resignation is accepted 20:24 <@JMcleod> Next up: 20:24 <@JMcleod> Ric Lim to introduce motion to move the election date to after the  August GM. (Date was set to August 7 to August 14 during the last GM). 20:24 <+AMatuch> aye 20:24 <@JMcleod> So Ric, go ahead 20:24 <@RLim> I move that we move the election date to start right after the August GM 20:25 <+voronaam> second 20:25 <+Wilson> reasoning? 20:25 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: that we move the election date to start right after the August GM 20:25 <@RLim> I believe right after the next GM would allow people to ask question and raise any issues if they have any. It will also give more time for campaigning 20:26 <@RLim> More people might vote if we start it right after GM when more people are present 20:26 <@RLim> done 20:26 <+jlamothe> That seems reasonable. 20:26 <+voronaam> I second the motion. Reasoning: it is hard to the quorum. It may be easier after the August GM (the date everybody know they need to be online) 20:26 <@JMcleod> Anyone wishes to speak against this? 20:27 <+juzt4me> why do candidates need more time? we already have 5 candidates, it's not like it's a huge issue 20:27 <+juzt4me> plus, if it's done AFTER the august GM, that takes longer for the new members to be brought in, as we need to wait for another GM 20:28 <+juzt4me> just stalls the whole process 20:28 <+JohannWeiss> If someone new is nominated tonight, then they wont have very much time to speak before the election 20:29 <+juzt4me> every candidate has had the opportunity to post about themselves, their ideals, answers questions etc 20:29 <+juzt4me> i think everyone already knows a lot about candidates 20:29 <+juzt4me> this party is being plagued by elections - the longer we take to take action with new members in those positions, the more it makes our party seem weak 20:30 <+juzt4me> not to mention it looks like we're flopping - we decide one date, change it, seems unsure about ourselves 20:30 <+juzt4me> bad for the party overall, in my opinion 20:30 <+Ampersand> Personally, I'd be grateful for the extra time to get to know the candidates. 20:31 <+Ampersand> And since we only had, what, 20 votes total in our last election? I don't think changing the date is going to do too much to our image as a party. 20:31 <+voronaam> can we put that to vote, please? 20:31 <+juzt4me> well, the longer we wait, we might suddenly be having another election - if our party is in constant election, it looks REALLY bad 20:32 <+juzt4me> but we can vote on the issue for sure 20:32 <@JMcleod> Ok we will go to a vote 20:32 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: that we move the election date to start right after the August GM 20:32 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 20:32 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 20:32 <+BobJonkman> aye 20:32 <+JohannWeiss> aye 20:32 <+jlamothe> aye 20:32 <+voronaam> aye 20:32 <+juzt4me> nay 20:32 <+khoover> aye 20:32 <+TyletMcNab> Aye 20:33 <+Wilson> nay 20:33 <+Ampersand> aye 20:33 <@RLim> aye 20:33 <+AMatuch> aye 20:33 <+Nuitari> abstain 20:33 <+JohannWeiss> (anyone want to have non-official talk, go to #riff-raff) 20:34 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 9 Nays: 2 20:34 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: that we move the election date to start right after the August GM 20:34 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 20:35 <@JMcleod> Next point was 20:35 <@JMcleod> Approval of nominee as candidates for the PC by-election.Nomination  process starts now. Please nominate someone during the GM or by posting  it in the forum thread here: http://dev.pirateparty.ca/forums/2012-08-pc-election-nominations 20:35 <@JMcleod> 20:35 <@RLim> ok let the nomination begins 20:35 <+JohannWeiss> I nominate James Wilson 20:35 <+JohannWeiss> And Patrick Fitzgerald 20:36 <@JMcleod> We lost quorum 20:36 <@RLim> yep 20:36 <+JohannWeiss> Damnit 20:36 <+khoover> sob 20:36 <@JMcleod> So how long should we wait? 20:36 <+SeanHunt> Uh 20:36 <+SeanHunt> when is the end date of the election 20:37 <+JohannWeiss> Well does my first nomination count? 20:37 <+JohannWeiss> Mostly joking 20:37 <+Wilson> so...I'm the only one nominated (lol) 20:37 <+SeanHunt> it will be after the next gm 20:37 <+jlamothe> Wilson: Does that mean you win by default? 20:37 <+SeanHunt> so we can nominate at the next GM 20:38 <@RLim> wait 20 minutes? 20:38 <@JMcleod> We can officialize nominations at the next GM 20:38 <+SeanHunt> I move that the meeting adjourn. 20:38 <@RLim> wait 20:38 <+jlamothe> SeanHunt: Can you do that without quorum? 20:39 <@JMcleod> the end date of the election will be start date + 8 days 20:39 <+SeanHunt> jlamothe: of course 20:39 <+SeanHunt> JMcleod: ok 20:39 <@JMcleod> as is now 20:39 <+jlamothe> In that case, seconded. 20:39 <+juzt4me> if we wait for the next gm, then honestly what was the point of delaying the vote? they'll still get the same time....lol 20:39 <+SeanHunt> jlamothe: you can adjourn, recess, or take actions to obtain a quorum, or anything incidental to any of those. 20:39 <@JMcleod> juzt4me: Delaying the vote gives more time of others to take notice 20:39 < mib_bxmccm> I will look forward to the next meeting folks, take care 20:39 <@JMcleod> alright 20:39 <@RLim> Himser are you a member? 20:39 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn 20:40 <@RLim> lol 20:40 <@RLim> sorry himser is tyler 20:40 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn 20:40 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 20:40 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 20:40 < TylerMcNab-on> Sorry Tylermcnab dropped out auto regoined as Himser 20:40 <+jlamothe> aye 20:40 <@RLim> nay 20:40 <+juzt4me> nay 20:40 <+AMatuch> aye 20:40 <+Wilson> nay 20:40 <+JohannWeiss> nay 20:40 <+SeanHunt> aye 20:40 <+khoover> nay 20:40 <+Nuitari> nay 20:41 <+lcameron> nay 20:41 <+BobJonkman> nay 20:41 < TylerMcNab-on> Aye 20:42 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 4 Nays: 8 20:42 <@JMcleod> The motion is defeated. 20:42 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 20:43 <@JMcleod> Alright then, since we dont have quorum, we cant do much 20:43 <+JohannWeiss> wait for 20m to see if we regain that member that dropped? 20:43 <@RLim> who else can we call? 20:43 <+SeanHunt> I move to recess for 20m or until a quorum is present. 20:43 <@RLim> he says he will be back in 2 hours if he leave 20:43 <+jlamothe> I'm going to have to leave in the near future as well. :( 20:43 <@RLim> can we not recess so that we can start rightaway 20:44 <@RLim> if we regain quorum? 20:44 <+JohannWeiss> I think that's what hunts motion says 20:44 <+JohannWeiss> right? 20:45 <@RLim> doh, for not reading the whole sentence 20:45 <+JohannWeiss> I second seanhunts motion 20:45 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: recess for 20m or until a quorum is present. 20:46 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: recess for 20m or until a quorum is present. 20:46 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 20:46 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 20:46 <+BobJonkman> aye 20:46 <@RLim> aye 20:46 <+juzt4me> aye 20:46 <+JohannWeiss> aye 20:46 <+TylerMcNab-on> Aye 20:46 <+lcameron> aye 20:46 <+Ampersand> aye 20:46 <+jlamothe> aye 20:46 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 8 Nays: 0 20:46 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: recess for 20m or until a quorum is present. 20:46 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 20:47 <+BobJonkman> What sorts of motions can be voted on without a quorum? 20:47 <@JMcleod> (stopped it quick cuz it was a guaranteed pass & need to go to bathroom - brb) 20:48 <+juzt4me> how much is quorum, anyway? 20:48 <+JohannWeiss> 15 20:48 <+juzt4me> right 20:48 <@JMcleod> BobJonkman: you can adjourn, recess, or take actions to obtain a quorum, or anything incidental to any of those. 20:48 <+BobJonkman> JMcleod: Thx! 20:48 <@RLim> take actions? 20:49 <+BobJonkman> Hit random strangers over the head and drag them into the room 20:49 <@JMcleod> yeah, like move to post on social media and stuff 20:49 <@RLim> I move to suspend the rule and make it have quorum 20:49 <+BobJonkman> Oh... 20:49 <@JMcleod> or call people 20:49 <@RLim> :) 20:49 <+SeanHunt> RLim: :P 20:49 <@JMcleod> lol RLim 20:49 <+SeanHunt> "actions to obtain a quorum" is probably the empty set here; 20:50 <+SeanHunt> that rule is written with legislatures that can compel attendance in mind 20:50 * SeanHunt looks at Wisconsin 20:50 <@RLim> so they can drag an MP to parliament? 20:50 <+SeanHunt> yeah 20:50 <@RLim> that would be cool. lol 20:50 <+SeanHunt> Wisconsin actually did it 20:50 <+jlamothe> SeanHunt: That's awesome. 20:51 <+SeanHunt> the bill that ended public sector unions was being filibustered 20:51 <@RLim> Did U.S. tried to do that with those Senate runningout of town? 20:51 <@RLim> I mean Federal level also 20:51 <+SeanHunt> because it was mixed in with a budget bill and in the Wisconsin Senate, budget bills require 60% of Senators to be a quorum 20:51 <+SeanHunt> yeah, I mean recently though 20:51 <@RLim> oh that was Wisconsin 20:51 <+SeanHunt> the Republicans had a majority, but not 60% 20:51 <+SeanHunt> so they couldn't get a quorum on the bill 20:51 <@RLim> they were hiding in motel and such. lol 20:51 <+SeanHunt> They issued a motion compelling attendance, so the Democrats had to actually leave the state 20:52 <+SeanHunt> otherwise the police would have forced them to attend 20:52 <@RLim> ping teamcoltra. He is probably not there but worth a try. 20:52 <+SeanHunt> also historically, there was a period around the 17th century where it was common to be elected to the UK Parliament against your will. 20:52 <+SeanHunt> for this reason, to this day, UK MPs cannot actually resign 20:53 <@RLim> what is the reasoning behind that? 20:53 <+SeanHunt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_from_the_British_House_of_Commons 20:53 <+SeanHunt> well if you were elected against your will but could just resign, then electing you wouldn't be much use 20:54 <@RLim> yeah the part about not being able to refuse the position 20:54 <+SeanHunt> the article explains it 20:55 <+SeanHunt> (it's hilarious, by the way. read it) 20:58 <@RLim> anyone have our twitter account? 20:58 <@JMcleod> unfortunately no :( 20:58 <@RLim> Some people might not check their FB 20:59 <+khoover> I suppose we'll have to resort to the bat-and-bag method, then... 21:00 <+BobJonkman> Could do another /list to wake up the lurkers 21:00 <@RLim> I was going to direct message someone but there's only 5 minutes left 21:02 <@RLim> is Scott Elcomb here? 21:02 <@RLim> what is his irc id? 21:02 <+khoover> psema4 21:02 <+BobJonkman> pSema4 21:03 <@RLim> how many more minutes JMcleod 21:03 <@RLim> ? 21:03 <+khoover> 3 21:03 <@JMcleod> 3 more mins 21:03 <+BobJonkman> The motion carried at 21:46, +20 min is 22:06 21:04 <+BobJonkman> That's EDT for you trans-national folks 21:05 <@JMcleod> Actually thats a point I keep forgetting 21:05 hey 21:05 <@JMcleod> Perhaps in PPCA emails we could specify the time in PDT as well as EDT 21:05 <@RLim> woot 21:05 <+khoover> HALLELUIAH! 21:05 <@RLim> here comes the saviour 21:05 sorry this week isn't mine :( 21:05 <@RLim> everyone bow before jhowell 21:05 <@JMcleod> make sure is the real jhowell! 21:06 <@RLim> yeah 21:06 <@RLim> pm him already :P 21:06 <+lcameron> time 21:06 glad i could help haha 21:07 i am doing more for my borther in laws wedding than i did my own 21:07 <@JMcleod> lol 21:07 <@JMcleod> ok 21:07 <@JMcleod> resuming 21:07 <+JohannWeiss> Nominate Patrick Fitzgerald 21:08 <@JMcleod> We were at nominations. 21:08 <@RLim> dev.pirateparty.ca/forums/2012-08-pc-election-nominations 21:08 <@RLim> thread with nominees 21:08 <+JohannWeiss> Are my two nominations counted? Do they need to accept? 21:09 <@RLim> I nominate Steve Henderson 21:09 <+SeanHunt> JohannWeiss: They need to accept, but need not do so now 21:10 <+SeanHunt> I nominate Jesse Gaudet 21:10 <@RLim> I nominate Madison Wozni 21:10 <@JMcleod> well ideally they would need to accept, however, that could be done any time 21:10 <@RLim> I guess that covers everyone on that thread 21:10 <@RLim> any others? 21:11 <+jlamothe> I hate to do this guys, but I have to go. :( 21:11 <@RLim> I guess we covered everyone on that list. 21:11 <@JMcleod> James Wilson, Patrick Fitzgerald, teve Henderson, Madison Wozni, Jesse Gaudet 21:11 <@JMcleod> did I miss any? 21:11 <@RLim> nope 21:12 <@JMcleod> Does anyone else here present wish to be nominated 21:12 <@JMcleod> guess not 21:12 <@JMcleod> So this would be it for nominations 21:13 < mib_tce13x> sorry i just got here. nominated for what? 21:13 <+Wilson> I accept my nomination 21:13 <@JMcleod> Nominated to be part of the candidates list for the upcoming PC election 21:13 <@JMcleod> You must be a member to be nominated 21:14 <@RLim> mb_tce13x, you want to login? (if you are a member) 21:14 < mib_tce13x> sure I think I'm a member. I gave you money. Lol. 21:14 <@RLim> pm me your id and e-mai :) 21:15 <@JMcleod> Membership / donations / VPN are 3 different things 21:15 < mib_tce13x> ok where are you hiding the PM button 21:15 <@JMcleod> try /msg rlim hi friend! 21:15 <+SeanHunt> you can type /msg person message here 21:15 <@RLim> just type "/msg RLim" without the quotes 21:16 < mib_tce13x> ok. sent it 21:16 <@JMcleod> well if no one else has any nomination in mind 21:16 <@JMcleod> what shall we do if a new one comes up? tell him to wait at next GM or tell him too late? 21:16 <+SeanHunt> well the next GM is definitely an option 21:16 <+jlamothe> ok... not gone after all. sorry to interrupt 21:17 <@RLim> wait for next GM 21:17 <+juzt4me> or, allow nominations on the forums 21:17 <+SeanHunt> I think the next GM is fine 21:17 <+SeanHunt> actually 21:17 <+SeanHunt> best to act against the risk of quorum 21:17 <@JMcleod> what does that last sentence mean 21:17 <+SeanHunt> *risk of missing quorum 21:17 <@RLim> jlamothe you want to be nominated :) 21:18 <+SeanHunt> I move that if an eligible individual posts in the forum at http://dev.pirateparty.ca/forums/2012-08-pc-election-nominations indicating their intent to run for the next PC election, that they shall be considered a nominee for the election. 21:18 <@JMcleod> hint : You may nominate yourselves 21:18 <+SeanHunt> ^ 21:18 <+SeanHunt> ^^ 21:18 <+SeanHunt> ^^^ 21:18 <@RLim> second 21:18 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: that if an eligible individual posts in the forum at http://dev.pirateparty.ca/forums/2012-08-pc-election-nominations indicating their intent to run for the next PC election, that they shall be considered a nominee for the election. 21:18 <+Wilson> seconded 21:19 <@JMcleod> i wanna expedite this so lets vote on it now 21:19 <+khoover> i move to vote on the main motion 21:19 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: that if an eligible individual posts in the forum at http://dev.pirateparty.ca/forums/2012-08-pc-election-nominations indicating their intent to run for the next PC election, that they shall be considered a nominee for the election. 21:19 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 21:19 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 21:19 <+khoover> that too 21:19 <+BobJonkman> aye 21:19 <+khoover> aye 21:19 <+juzt4me> aye 21:19 <+Wilson> aye 21:19 <+lcameron> aye 21:19 <+jhowell> aye 21:19 < mib_tce13x> aye 21:19 <@RLim> aye 21:19 <+JohannWeiss> aye 21:19 <+jlamothe> RLim: I ha ve no objections 21:20 <+TylerMcNab-on> Aye 21:20 <+SeanHunt> aye 21:20 <+jlamothe> aye 21:20 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 11 Nays: 0 21:20 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: that if an eligible individual posts in the forum at http://dev.pirateparty.ca/forums/2012-08-pc-election-nominations indicating their intent to run for the next PC election, that they shall be considered a nominee for the election. 21:20 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 21:21 <@JMcleod> This concludes the business of the special GM 21:21 <+Wilson> and with that I'm off to bed 21:21 <+JohannWeiss> motion to adjourn 21:21 <@JMcleod> The meeting is adjourned

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