FC 2010-11-11 transcript

Transcript from November 11th, 2010 Federal Council Meeting
[21:31] <~MikkelPaulson> in that case, I'll call the meeting to order [21:32] <+Zblewski> Okay. [21:32] <~MikkelPaulson> Stephane, how goes the auditor search? [21:32] <+Nuitari> not so good [21:32] <+Nuitari> price is between 4k and 8k [21:32] <~MikkelPaulson> nobody willing to work for a percentage huh? [21:32] <+Zblewski> That's ridiculous. [21:32] <~MikkelPaulson> in the long run we'd be better off with a flat rate, but we're not there yet [21:33] <~MikkelPaulson> how soon do we need one? [21:33] <+Nuitari> I've left a message with the one doing the rhino party [21:33] <+Nuitari> 30 days from yesterday [21:33] <~MikkelPaulson> okay [21:34] <~MikkelPaulson> Elections Canada doesn't have a problem with us using the same auditor as another party? [21:34] <+Nuitari> well [21:34] <+Nuitari> Elaine's answer was very vague [21:34] <+Nuitari> forwarding it to you [21:34] <+Nuitari> I think as long as their order's rules allows it it is fine [21:35] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, sounds like they're good with it [21:35] <+Zblewski> Like I said, if there's anything going on that you need clarification on, give me a ring and I'll go there myself to ask [21:36] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds good [21:36] <~MikkelPaulson> hm [21:36] <~MikkelPaulson> if we have to pay a flat rate, would that be up-front? [21:36] <+Nuitari> no,on audit [21:37] <+Nuitari> we could always sign with someone and ditch them if we find someone cheaper [21:37] <+Nuitari> but I don't like leading people on, esp small guys [21:37] <~MikkelPaulson> hm, well it's a bit better I guess [21:37] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [21:37] <+Zblewski> indeed [21:37] <+Nuitari> we also don't have to have one in the same region [21:37] <+Nuitari> but there might be special things to do [21:38] <~MikkelPaulson> they don't need access to the paper archive? [21:39] <+Zblewski> maybe not [21:39] <+Zblewski> Nuitari? [21:40] <~MikkelPaulson> I guess we could do a donation drive as it comes close to audit season [21:41] <~MikkelPaulson> wish we could get a better prediction of how much we'll be raising [21:41] <+Nuitari> yes they do, we it can be mailed I guess [21:42] <~MikkelPaulson> actually we should start a donation drive as soon as we've got the registration stuff in order [21:42] <~MikkelPaulson> what's the situation there? [21:43] <+Zblewski> Good question [21:43] <+Nuitari> we are registered and can emit tax receipts [21:43] <+Zblewski> Excellent. [21:44] <~MikkelPaulson> did EC have any software for us? [21:44] <+Nuitari> yes we have it [21:44] <~MikkelPaulson> cool [21:44] <+Nuitari> the software prints the receipts [21:45] <+Zblewski> Should I request a copy then? [21:45] <+Zblewski> In case I take contributions [21:45] <~MikkelPaulson> do we need to adjust our financial year? [21:45] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson, no [21:45] <+Nuitari> Zblewski, you can't right now [21:46] <~MikkelPaulson> you need to be an agent [21:46] <+Nuitari> right now only the website and myself can take contributions for the party [21:46] <+Zblewski> Gotcha. [21:46] <~MikkelPaulson> so the only thing we still have to sort out is the new auditor? [21:46] <+Nuitari> yes [21:47] <~MikkelPaulson> is there a dedicated web interface for donations on its way? [21:48] <~MikkelPaulson> I'd like to start a donation drive right away, but it'd be nice to reduce friction first [21:48] <~MikkelPaulson> well, dedicated/independent from member registration [21:49] <~MikkelPaulson> it needs to be straightforward for people to donate without joining or to donate after they've been a member for a while [21:50] <+Nuitari> yes it does [21:50] <+Nuitari> it's on its way [21:50] <+Nuitari> just don't even have my main computer backonline yet [21:50] <+Nuitari> have to wait for the paint to dry more [21:50] <~MikkelPaulson> good stuff [21:50] <~MikkelPaulson> well, anything I can do to help… [21:51] <+Zblewski> By the way [21:51] <+Zblewski> I'd like to bring something up [21:51] <~MikkelPaulson> by all means [21:51] <+Zblewski> at some point we're going to need to get a bit of funds to Jeff [21:51] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [21:52] <+Zblewski> I tried reaching Stephane earlier this week by phone to discuss this [21:52] <~MikkelPaulson> is there any barrier to writing a cheque right away? [21:52] <+Zblewski> but his wife (who has a lovely voice) said he wasn't around [21:52] <~MikkelPaulson> she's pretty too [21:52] <~MikkelPaulson> he's a lucky man [21:52] <+Zblewski> I can't comment, seeing I've never seen her (or him) [21:53] <+Zblewski> Nor do I wish to comment, seeing how I might get a fist to the facw [21:53] <+Zblewski> anyways [21:53] <~MikkelPaulson> you should go up there for a day, bus ticket is like $20 for a 2-hour trip [21:54] <+Nuitari> right, how much are we transfering to Jeff? [21:55] <+Zblewski> JeffColeman: Ping [21:55] <~MikkelPaulson> Zblewski: he's not voiced [21:55] <~MikkelPaulson> did you get my receipts? [21:56] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson, yes [21:56] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson, can you voice him? [21:56] <~MikkelPaulson> sure [21:56] <~MikkelPaulson> if he's around [21:57] He's not. [21:58] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, he's not at the mo [21:58] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm just sending him a text [21:58] <~MikkelPaulson> actually I'll do it old-school and call him [21:59] <+Zblewski> I usually call [21:59] <+Zblewski> better results [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> rintaran informs me that he's storyboarding with his Winnipeg volunteers at the moment [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> which I take to be a great sign [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds like he may have had some success at his meeting [22:00] <+Zblewski> =D [22:01] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [22:01] <~MikkelPaulson> that's encouraging to hear [22:02] <~MikkelPaulson> is apparently Jeff on another computer [22:03]  yes :) [22:03]  just working on a viral project here [22:03] <+Zblewski> <3 [22:04]  I scrolled the logs but did you guys actually ask me a question yet? [22:04] <+Nuitari> yes [22:04] <+Nuitari> how much $? [22:04]  hmmmm [22:04]  I'm planning to keep it small [22:05] <~MikkelPaulson> you can email us a breakdown if you prefer [22:05] <~MikkelPaulson> no need to put together an exact figure right now [22:05]  has something been budgetted? [22:05] <~MikkelPaulson> how much do we have remaining? [22:06] <+Nuitari> about 1300$ [22:07] <+Nuitari> + the audit reserve [22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> including the expenses from my trip? [22:08] <+Nuitari> yeah [22:09] <~MikkelPaulson> cool [22:10] <~MikkelPaulson> if we're considering contesting the Calgary Centre North by-election next spring, we may want to hold some in reserve for that [22:10]  the simplest thing for bookkeeping would be to just transfer whatever the party decides is the limit [22:10]  then I probably won't use all of it [22:10] <~MikkelPaulson> at least there I could come down for a weekend to help out with the campaign [22:10]  and the excess can be transferred back [22:10] <~MikkelPaulson> that's true [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> it would be nice to have an idea of what you intend to spend though [22:11]  at this point my intention is to pretty much only spend on printed materials [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> so if you don't mind, see if you can get a rough budget to us in the next day or two [22:11]  posters [22:11]  plus flyers with some flexibility in kind [22:11]  which I would mostly print as they got used up [22:12]  so that's what makes it hard to estimate in advance [22:12] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah exactlly [22:12]  should I just estimate a max? [22:12] <~MikkelPaulson> *exactly [22:12] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, like you say, if you have to transfer some back, there's no problem or limitation [22:13]  okay--sooner is better though [22:13] <~MikkelPaulson> for sure [22:13] <JeffColeman> I am cool covering simple things myself and counting them as "discounts" receipted to the account but not for tax purposes [22:13] <~MikkelPaulson> you can also contribute to your own campaign in a pinch [22:13] <~MikkelPaulson> just be sure to do the bookkeeping properly [22:13] <JeffColeman> but still have a lot tied up in my business so not too liquid right now [22:14] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah understandable [22:14] <~MikkelPaulson> anyway, thanks for that, Jeff [22:15] <+Nuitari> you can also contribute up to 1100$ to your campaign [22:15] <+Nuitari> and get the tax refund [22:15] <~MikkelPaulson> let us know and we'll get the money to you ASAP [22:15] <JeffColeman> k, you'll have an estimate tonight [22:15] <~MikkelPaulson> cool [22:16] <+Nuitari> cc me onit [22:16] <~MikkelPaulson> agent@ ? [22:16] <+Nuitari> yeah [22:17] <JeffColeman> k, will do [22:18] <+Zblewski> >.> [22:18] <+Zblewski> <.< [22:18] <~MikkelPaulson> anything else for Jeff or shall we move on? [22:18] <+Zblewski> I'll push back my call to you to Sunday, Jeff. Thumbs up. [22:19] <~MikkelPaulson> thanks Jeff [22:19] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, last order of business [22:20] <+Zblewski> Go ahead [22:20] <+Zblewski> Is it PPI? [22:20] <~MikkelPaulson> second-last order of business [22:20] <~MikkelPaulson> :P [22:20] <~MikkelPaulson> a couple of days ago I was discussing the actions of Operation Payback with K`Tetch and a few others [22:20] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds like they're interested in suspending their attacks [22:21] <~MikkelPaulson> and he suggested issuing a joint press release encouraging them to stand down [22:21] <~MikkelPaulson> I have some misgivings [22:21] <~MikkelPaulson> but I wanted to get your input on that [22:21] <+Zblewski> Go on\ [22:21] <+Zblewski> What are these misgivings [22:22] <+Nuitari> I wouldn't discuss operation payback unless someone asks us about it [22:22] <~MikkelPaulson> well, there are several levels [22:22] <~MikkelPaulson> one, I'm hesitant to acknowledge their legitimacy as a political force and the success of their actions [22:23] <~MikkelPaulson> two, being that they're a splinter group, I don't know that we should provide them with another soapbox [22:24] <~MikkelPaulson> and three, I'm somewhat disinclined to antagonize what has until now behaved as an online terrorist organization [22:25] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds like the USPP is on board with it already [22:25] <~MikkelPaulson> not officially anyway, but there's interest [22:27] <+Zblewski> I agree with not giving them a soapbox [22:28] <+Nuitari> have we been approached by them? [22:29] <+Zblewski> No. [22:29] <~MikkelPaulson> I was indirectly [22:29] <~MikkelPaulson> which is why I'm raising it here [22:29] <~MikkelPaulson> I'll let K`Tetch explain the USPP position [22:30] <+K`Tetch> ok ,its not a uspp position as yet, mostly the other board members share Mikkel's 3rd concern, that of antagonising htem [22:30] <+K`Tetch> however, the thought is not to antagonise, but to point out that whatever they've intentded, it's run the course, and than disruptions are just making things harder [22:31] <+K`Tetch> that rather than a temporary downtime, with little long-term effect, they participate in proper, constructive work, with their local party, or similar organisation, and allow us to work effectively [22:33] <+K`Tetch> we send a message we're against the DDOS, and that a constructive effort needs to be done [22:36] <+K`Tetch> ... [22:36] <+Zblewski> Well [22:36] <+Zblewski> I'm all for constructive dialogue as a tool [22:36] <+Zblewski> It's how I prefer to operate [22:36] <+Zblewski> that's why I helpedstart this party [22:37] <+Zblewski> The whole question to me is [22:38] <+Zblewski> 1. How will the Payback Anonymii react? Will it be adverse and will some rogue members try and hit us? [22:39] <+Zblewski> 2. What does this say to the groups affected? Will they take it as an action that they feel is weak-minded? [22:39] <+Zblewski> At this point, I'm wary of going either way [22:40] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm not willing to proceed with this without a clear consensus in the Federal Council [22:40] <~MikkelPaulson> there are benefits, but I'm not convinced that the potential disadvantages are worth it [22:41] <+Zblewski> neither am I [22:41] <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: still don't think we should touch the subject? [22:42] <+Nuitari> I don't think there is much to gain by addressing them [22:43] <~MikkelPaulson> shall we put it to a vote for the record? or anything else to add K`Tetch? [22:44] <~MikkelPaulson> I'll take that as a no [22:45] <~MikkelPaulson> in that case, I move that the Pirate Party of Canada issue a public appeal to the members of Anonymous to stand down their DDOS campaign [22:45] <+Zblewski> Go ahead and put it to a vote if you wish [22:45] <~MikkelPaulson> I vote no [22:45] <+Zblewski> I vote no. [22:45] <+Nuitari> No [22:45] <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari? [22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> guess that settles it [22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> sorry K`Tetch [22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> good luck with the USPP [22:46] * +Zblewski salutes K`Tetch [22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, NOW last order of business? [22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> Mike, take 'er away [22:47] <+Zblewski> We've been very silent on the PPI, and, this organization is the largest grouping of our movement [22:48] <+Zblewski> There would obviously be benefits and drawbacks to formally joining the organization [22:48] <+Zblewski> However, according to Samir Allioui, we are already one of 24 informal members in their eyes [22:48] <~MikkelPaulson> and we do have their logo on our membership card, for better or worse [22:48] <+Zblewski> I had a lengthly discussion with him, since he was the former leader of the group [22:49] <+Zblewski> I think that informal link is there for better or for worse [22:49] <+Zblewski> at issue is formally joining them [22:49] <~MikkelPaulson> it's definitely in our heritage [22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe when the issue was last raised the sticking point for us was their financial expectations [22:50] <+Zblewski> I believe so [22:50] <+Zblewski> I'm not entirely sure, however [22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> did you touch on that with Samir? [22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> it'd be nice to have Jake here for this bit [22:50] <+Zblewski> No, I was leaving financial issues to the current PPI administration [22:50] <+Zblewski> What I propose [22:51] <+Zblewski> is that we enter formal discussions with the PPI board about joining, with no commitments to do so [22:51] <+Zblewski> That way, we can try and flatten the issues between us [22:52] <+Zblewski> such as lack of administrative order in terms of the rules [22:52] <~MikkelPaulson> on principle I would like to play a bigger role in PPI [22:52] <~MikkelPaulson> if that's practical, then I say go for it [22:52] <+Zblewski> Nuitari? [22:52] <~MikkelPaulson> but if there's going to be a significant burden on us, financial or otherwise, I don't think it's worthwhile [22:53] <~MikkelPaulson> not at this point in our life [22:53] <+Nuitari> uh ? [22:53] <+Nuitari> what's the question [22:53] <~MikkelPaulson> so yeah, I'd be willing to open discussions with them [22:53] <+Zblewski> Your thoughts on possibly joining PPI, or at least discussing it with them [22:53] <+Nuitari> brb [22:53] <~MikkelPaulson> however, I think we should wait until after the by-election to go down that road [22:53] <+Zblewski> Yes. [22:54] <+Zblewski> Like previously mentioned, there is a memo ready to go to start discussions wth them [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> so maybe we should raise this again at the meeting on December 2 [22:54] <+Zblewski> Samir suggested we have someone formally ready to attend PPIonline meetings [22:55] <+Zblewski> Do you want to hold off on instigating formal conversation, then? That's fine with me if we postpone the vote unil then [22:55] <~MikkelPaulson> that's what I'd suggest, yeah [22:55] <~MikkelPaulson> we already have too much on our plate [22:55] <~MikkelPaulson> no need to take on more [22:55] <~MikkelPaulson> and joining PPI isn't urgent [22:56] <+Zblewski> Gotcha. [22:57] <+Zblewski> I'll be attending the council meetings until then [22:57] <+Zblewski> for PPI [22:58] <~MikkelPaulson> anything else? [22:58] <+Zblewski> n'op. [22:58] <~MikkelPaulson> already [22:58] <~MikkelPaulson> in that case [22:59] <~MikkelPaulson> I'll call the meeting adjourned

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