FC 2010-11-18 transcript

[21:59] <~MikkelPaulson> now that the three regulars are here anyway, I'll call the meeting to order [21:59] <+Zblewski> Okay. [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> first order of business is Winnipeg North as usual [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> Stephane, does Jeff have his funding? [22:00] <@Nuitari> yes [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> for the record, how much? what's left over? [22:01] <@Nuitari> he requested 210 with 40 extra as a safety margin [22:01] <@Nuitari> I've sent him 300 [22:01] <@Nuitari> plenty left [22:02] <~MikkelPaulson> good to hear [22:02] <~MikkelPaulson> so we'll be in a position to fund a Calgary Centre—North campaign should we decide to contest that? [22:02] <@Nuitari> yes [22:03] <~MikkelPaulson> nice [22:03] <+Zblewski> I've been calling Jeff every few days [22:03] <@Nuitari> good [22:03] <+Zblewski> To make sure he has everything he needs and that everyone is on track [22:04] <+Zblewski> So far his needs are being met [22:04] <~MikkelPaulson> how's his local volunteer force? [22:04] <+Zblewski> When he had his editing session, there were 6 people besides him, I believe [22:04] <+Zblewski> And so far there has been steady help [22:04] <@Nuitari> cool [22:05] <~MikkelPaulson> great to hear [22:05] <~MikkelPaulson> I hope he's been divvying up the door-knocking a bit [22:05] <~MikkelPaulson> it's pretty tough for one man to knock on every door in the riding [22:05] <+Zblewski> he told me they went out at least once [22:05] <~MikkelPaulson> amounts to about a thousand per day [22:06] <~MikkelPaulson> cool [22:06] <@Nuitari> cool [22:06] <+Zblewski> The last time I called him, 2 days before the debate, he said he and the team would be heading out the next day [22:06] <~MikkelPaulson> and Jeff is remarkably well-connected in the community [22:06] <+Zblewski> Indeed [22:06] <~MikkelPaulson> which goes a long way [22:06] <+Zblewski> His YT channel, at the rate it's going, should have more total channel and video views than Kevin Chief at any time [22:07] <+Zblewski> and he's had his first video since June [22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, but bear in mind that people from all over Canada are watching him [22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> Chief's viewers are mostly people in the riding [22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> so 1 view != 1 vote [22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> still encouraging to see, though [22:07] <@Nuitari> yes definitely [22:08] <@Nuitari> the new batch of bumper stickers has been mailed out today also [22:08] <@Nuitari> just saw the email from the supplier [22:08] <+Zblewski> Excellent [22:08] <~MikkelPaulson> which means that we have to step up our YouTube activities as a party too [22:08] <@Nuitari> I'll email Jeff asking if he wants/needs the balance [22:08] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm sure he could use some more [22:08] <~MikkelPaulson> I didn't have that many to give him [22:09] <+Zblewski> neither do I [22:09] <@Nuitari> if he doesn't need them I can mail you the stickers [22:10] <+Zblewski> We'll keep them on hand as we need them [22:10] <@Nuitari> aye [22:10] <~MikkelPaulson> all I have left are French [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> which aren't that useful in Edmonton [22:11] <+Zblewski> Indeed [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> actually that's a lie, but I only have a handful of English stickers too [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> wait [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> I have like 20 [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> amazing what lives on this desk [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> but a few more wouldn't hurt [22:12] <@Nuitari> ok if Jeff doesn't answer I'll send both of you more stickers [22:12] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds good [22:12] <+Zblewski> Okay. [22:12] <~MikkelPaulson> not sure if Dain wants more but he sent the last of his to me [22:13] <~MikkelPaulson> I think [22:14] <~MikkelPaulson> anything else to add on Winnipeg? [22:14] <+Zblewski> Nope. [22:14] <+Zblewski> Just keep the campaign tight as usual. [22:15] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds good [22:15] <~MikkelPaulson> and Stephane, I'll get that donor letter to the translators tonight [22:15] <@Nuitari> ok [22:16] <~MikkelPaulson> so what's the deal with Quebec? [22:17] <@Nuitari> there is quite a bit of discontentment due to corruption [22:17] <@Nuitari> and we should try to get some support because of it [22:18] <~MikkelPaulson> any suggestions on how to proceed? [22:18] <+Zblewski> The problem is [22:19] <@Nuitari> facebook ? [22:19] <+Zblewski> How much of an influence does a federal party have on provincial municipal politics? [22:19] <@Nuitari> I meant starting a provincial party [22:19] <~MikkelPaulson> no [22:20] <~MikkelPaulson> as a federal party, we have a narrow platform [22:20] <~MikkelPaulson> and as you said, only half of our platform would actually affect provincial politics [22:21] <~MikkelPaulson> would you vote for a party whose only platform point was to be more transparent in doing vaguely-specified "stuff"? [22:21] <~MikkelPaulson> I wouldn't [22:21] <~MikkelPaulson> I thought you were talking about building a local branch of the federal party, which I would support [22:22] <@Nuitari> no more of a provincial party [22:22] <@Nuitari> with the very narrow platform [22:22] <~MikkelPaulson> whether or not the corruption is present at a federal level, I think people will be more open to the need for transparency at all levels of government [22:22] <~MikkelPaulson> and we can win some support there [22:22] <~MikkelPaulson> but federally, not provincially [22:22] <@Nuitari> just to give some context [22:23] <@Nuitari> there is an ex MP, Francois Legault that quit politics early last year [22:23] <@Nuitari> there was rumors of him wanting to start a new party [22:23] <@Nuitari> surveys placed that, non-existent, undefined party, at 39% of vote [22:24] <+Zblewski> Odd. [22:24] <~MikkelPaulson> bully for him [22:25] <~MikkelPaulson> similarly, when the Bloc formed, it was through a mass exodus from the federal Liberal Party [22:25] <~MikkelPaulson> we don't have that existing support from established politicians [22:25] <@Nuitari> perhaps, but starting a new party requires people and MPs [22:26] <@Nuitari> well candidates [22:26] <@Nuitari> it just screams opportunity [22:26] <~MikkelPaulson> maybe so [22:27] <~MikkelPaulson> but if you remove copyright, patents, and privacy, it's not a pirate party, is it? [22:27] <~MikkelPaulson> furthermore, as far as I know, we're not permitted to form any direct ties to a provincial party [22:27] <@Nuitari> right we can't form it directly [22:27] <~MikkelPaulson> which means that we couldn't copy+paste our membership into a provincial level [22:28] <@Nuitari> but we can definitely put the seed outthere [22:28] <~MikkelPaulson> how would this be beneficial to us? [22:29] <@Nuitari> pretty much anything that gets our name out there would be [22:29] <~MikkelPaulson> I just don't see the connection [22:29] <~MikkelPaulson> it's like the ideas people have been batting around about starting our own ISP (which we can't) [22:30] <~MikkelPaulson> even if it could be done, it's entirely peripheral to our EC-mandated purpose of getting people in Parliament [22:30] <@Nuitari> ok let's go to something else [22:31] <~MikkelPaulson> Zblewski: anything to add? [22:31] <+Zblewski> No, but I am in agreement with MikkelPaulson. [22:32] <~MikkelPaulson> very well [22:32] <~MikkelPaulson> shall we put it to a vote for the record or just move on? [22:33] <@Nuitari> just move on [22:33] <+Zblewski> move on [22:33] <~MikkelPaulson> I had a feeling you were going to say that ;) [22:33] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, YouTube [22:33] <@Nuitari> yes [22:33] <~MikkelPaulson> (I'm going off the agenda here https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum /index.php?topic=545.0 ) [22:33] <@Nuitari> at best it takes 2 years to get a damn trademark [22:34] <~MikkelPaulson> oh yeah, forgot all about that [22:34] <~MikkelPaulson> we should get the ball rolling, though [22:35] <+Zblewski> No video editing volunteers have stepped up. [22:35] <~MikkelPaulson> maybe Jeff's volunteer would be willing to help out [22:35] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm quite impressed with the quality of the first little video they put together [22:35] <+Zblewski> Maybe so. I'll inquire. [22:35] <+Zblewski> You also have to remember that this is a federal thing [22:36] <+Zblewski> we need people available to film cross-country [22:36] <~MikkelPaulson> probably better to wait until after the election, anyway [22:36] <+Zblewski> Yes. [22:36] <~MikkelPaulson> so, not quite sure why I put that on the agenda [22:36] <~MikkelPaulson> guess we'll come back to it [22:37] <+Zblewski> I don't know how this will work out at the moment, when one person does an amazing job at editing, but no-one else is available to film or co-edit [22:37] <+Zblewski> So, yes. [22:37] <+Zblewski> Postpone this issue. [22:37] <~MikkelPaulson> okay [22:37] <+Zblewski> For a general meeting [22:37] <~MikkelPaulson> tomorrow [22:37] <+Zblewski> Indeed. [22:37] <~MikkelPaulson> we will need some advertising for the next general election [22:38] <~MikkelPaulson> who knows when that will be [22:38] <~MikkelPaulson> but ah well, after the by-election anyway [22:39] <~MikkelPaulson> finally, Stephane, I know we've bounced emails back and forth about this, but again for the record: how has the matter of the auditor played out? [22:40] <@Nuitari> good lead [22:40] <@Nuitari> waiting for the details of the paperwork he needs to open the file [22:40] <@Nuitari> 500 to 1000$ for the party auditing [22:40] <@Nuitari> and whatever EC pays for the candidate [22:42] <+Zblewski> Good to hear. [22:42] <~MikkelPaulson> while I appreciate the willingness to support a small party, his fees seem pretty low compared to what BDO wanted [22:42] <~MikkelPaulson> which makes me a bit wary [22:42] <~MikkelPaulson> maybe contact the Rhinos and see what their experiences have been with him [22:43] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm sure they wouldn't mind sharing that info [22:43] <~MikkelPaulson> unlike most parties [22:43] <+Zblewski> Good idea. Their leader is in Montreal too, I believe [22:43] <@Nuitari> can't be worse then bdo [22:44] <~MikkelPaulson> well, one would think [22:45] <@Nuitari> all an auditor has to do is to look at the books, look at some of the receipts and say we did a good job of adding everything up [22:45] <~MikkelPaulson> still, probably best to do a bit of research before we take the plunge [22:45] <~MikkelPaulson> can't hurt [22:45] <@Nuitari> I'll ask neorhino what they think [22:45] <~MikkelPaulson> apparently they rebranded themselves to "Rhinoceros Party" this year [22:46] <@Nuitari> cool [22:46] <@Nuitari> a touch of nostalgia there [22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> yup [22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=pol&dir=par& document=index&lang=e#neorhino [22:46] <@Nuitari> yeah [22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> although I'm a bit confused since their site still says NeoRhino [22:47] <@Nuitari> the auditor has a decent looking home office [22:47] <~MikkelPaulson> knowing them they're just trying to screw with our heads [22:48] <~MikkelPaulson> anything else to add, or should we wrap things up? [22:48] <~MikkelPaulson> my thermostat is broken so it keeps getting colder and colder [22:48] <~MikkelPaulson> have to pick up a new one before I freeze to death [22:48] <+Zblewski> I have nothing to add. [22:48] <@Nuitari> nothing to add [22:48] <@Nuitari> oya [22:48] <~MikkelPaulson> one thing to add? [22:48] <~MikkelPaulson> ;) [22:48] <@Nuitari> the member sign up page can now also take only donations [22:48] <+Zblewski> Okies. [22:48] <~MikkelPaulson> great start [22:49] <~MikkelPaulson> we should get moving on the mass mailing asking for donations then [22:49] <@Nuitari> yes [22:49] <@Nuitari> I can even put a special URL in the email to prefill the form [22:49] <~MikkelPaulson> I was thinking postal, but that's okay too [22:50] <@Nuitari> let's start by email [22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> we'd probably have a better response rate by letter [22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> very well [22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> we'll include that in the December newsletter [22:50] <+Zblewski> Do them at the same time, IMO [22:50] <+Zblewski> Honestly. [22:50] <@Nuitari> let's do it now [22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> or make it a separate email? [22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> Zblewski: email and postal? [22:50] <+Zblewski> Yes. [22:50] <@Nuitari> as an email that also talks about winnipeg north [22:51] <+Zblewski> I'll draft one text for postal [22:51] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds good [22:51] <~MikkelPaulson> put it on PP and I'll take a look alter on [22:51] <~MikkelPaulson> *later [22:51] <+Zblewski> someone draft a seperate text for an email [22:51] <@Nuitari> guys [22:51] <@Nuitari> start on the email one [22:51] <@Nuitari> let's raise money from it [22:51] <@Nuitari> and discuss winnipeg [22:51] <@Nuitari> mass snail mail is very expensive to do canada wide [22:51] <~MikkelPaulson> Zblewski: want to do a spot of phone canvassing before the 29th? [22:52] <+Zblewski> I'm way too busy. [22:52] <@Nuitari> we can also call people [22:52] <+Zblewski> People don't respond to phone when it involves cash... sometimes [22:52] <+Zblewski> it's very very hit and miss [22:52] <@Nuitari> right [22:52] <+Zblewski> unreliable [22:53] <@Nuitari> but phone is 1c a minute [22:53] <~MikkelPaulson> got time to give me a run-down? I have no experience with cold calling [22:53] <~MikkelPaulson> free in my case [22:53] <@Nuitari> mail is about 50c a letter [22:53] <@Nuitari> email is free [22:53] <@Nuitari> so let's start iwth email [22:53] <+Zblewski> First off [22:53] <~MikkelPaulson> see if we can get Jake in on it too, find out if he's still alive [22:53] <+Zblewski> I'll concede to nuitari to start with email [22:53] <~MikkelPaulson> I agree [22:54] <+Zblewski> MikkelPaulson: Care to be on skype saturday? [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> sure [22:54] <+Zblewski> Say, 9 Eastern, 7 Central [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> send me an SMS if I'm not around [22:54] <+Zblewski> Okay. [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> 8 central [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> 7 mountain [22:54] <+Zblewski> Oopsies. [22:55] <@Nuitari> besides it's much more quicker to do an email campaign [22:55] <+Zblewski> 7 mountain. [22:55] <~MikkelPaulson> :) [22:55] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds good [22:55] <~MikkelPaulson> anything else or can I go get warm? [22:55] <+Zblewski> I need to get outta here folks, so we'll start on the email henceforth [22:55] <+Zblewski> I'm done [22:56] <~MikkelPaulson> sure [22:56] <~MikkelPaulson> start a pad and email us the URL [22:56] <+Zblewski> gotcha [22:56] <+Zblewski> I move to adjourn [22:56] <~MikkelPaulson> seconded [22:56] <@Nuitari> alright [22:56] <@Nuitari> send me the link to the pad too [22:56] <@Nuitari> also [22:56] <+Zblewski> Mhm [22:56] <@Nuitari> can you do a small twitter about accepting contributions ? [22:57] <~MikkelPaulson> a 140-character Twitter? ;) [22:57] <~MikkelPaulson> will do [22:58] <~MikkelPaulson> and with that, I'll declare the meeting adjourned

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