EB 2012-11-25 transcript



All log times are in Central Time

19:04 < JohannWeiss> Calling this meeting to order, I will be Chair, the secretary will take minutes. Shawn V, Jake D, Patrick F are in attendance 19:04 < JohannWeiss> We have no agenda 19:04 < JohannWeiss> First off, RLim do you have a link to last weeks minutes? 19:06 < RLim> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EB_2012-11-18_minutes 19:06 < Wilson> im here too... 19:06 < RLim> sorry Wilson :) 19:06 < JohannWeiss> Wilson is also in attendance 19:06 < JohannWeiss> Thought you were idling 19:06 < JohannWeiss> Any corrections to the minutes 19:06 < JohannWeiss> ? 19:08 < JohannWeiss> RLim, good integration of the forum motion, we need to make sure we have a consistent record of motions in one spot 19:09 < JohannWeiss> Seeing on objection, the minutes are approved 19:09 < JohannWeiss> If anyone has a motion to bring forward, no would be the time 19:09 < JohannWeiss> now** 19:09 < Wilson> We could discuss your motion, johann 19:10 < JohannWeiss> I was going to bring it forward, just thought I'd give you all a chance to bring something else first, but seeing none.. 19:10 < JohannWeiss> I posted a motion to the forums which I would like to bring forward here for a vote. 19:10 < JohannWeiss> The motion is as follows: 19:10 < JohannWeiss> The Motion: The executive board create two paid positions: a Coordinator and a IT manager. We must decide on rules and procedure for those positions as well as how candidates are selected. 19:11 < JohannWeiss> There has been discussion on the idea here http://riclim.com/forum/discussion/20/motion-to-pay-someone-to-fix-our-problems#Item_9 19:12 < JohannWeiss> Feel free to discuss it now 19:12 I'm fully in favor, I've had similar ideas but this seems very coherent and reasonable 19:12 < RLim> so what's the estimated cost? 19:13 < Patrick> I'd like to add we should probably make a paid position for someone to handle fundraising 19:13 < RLim> I am inquiring with a Canadian ISP whc.ca to see what's the various level of management plan they have 19:13 < RLim> for dedicated servers 19:13 < JohannWeiss> Great, that will help with the IT side 19:14 < JakeDaynes> I don't know if IT is much of an issue right now. I think the issue is that we've been caught with our pants down with the banking situation 19:14 < JakeDaynes> If we could pay Hetzner right now, we would have everything moved over already, but the fact remains that until we can pay our providers, we can't do anything. 19:14 < Patrick> I'll agree with Jake on that... the Banking situation totally screwed us 19:15 Well, banking situation aside, I think it's a great idea on both fronts 19:15 electing people to do these things seems a bit silly, but appointing them seems open to corruption 19:16 I think paying Shawn Gray for 6 hours a week at $12/hr for executive stuff would be extremely beneficial to us 19:16 < Patrick> I think we really could use some professional help in the fundraising and selling the party to people basically 19:16 < RLim> I still can't access the server. For those who missed the GM. I mentioned about what adpaolucci have found that our server have protein folding for muscular dystrophy taking up resources. Anyone know about this? 19:17 Patrick: We don't need promotional / ideological help at all. we need pragmatic help 19:17 < JohannWeiss> Lets stay on track here 19:17 < RLim> we have to be very careful and make sure we get our money's worth or some member might cry foul 19:17 we need lankies to do the dirty work 19:17 it's part of running an organization 19:18 < JohannWeiss> We have a motion on the table about paying someone to do basic IT work and paperwork 19:18 < RLim> what exactly is our monthly revenue right now? 19:18 we're the only political party where the leader is stamping the welcome letters 19:18 < JohannWeiss> shawn 19:18 < RLim> or annual reliable income 19:18 Our revenue is low currently, about $100 a month 19:18 but thats only because everything is broken 19:19 the benefits of hiring people will soon increase revenue 19:19 < JohannWeiss> A historic look would be more accurate 19:19 you have to spend a little money to make money 19:19 the donations flow when we are successful and active 19:19 < JohannWeiss> Just looking up last years funds 19:19 < RLim> I guess more important is to have something going in the political front 19:20 < RLim> something that would rally people around us 19:21 < JohannWeiss> We had a surplus of 3962.55 last year (does anyone know if that was from the inception of the party or if that was just annual?) 19:21 < RLim> shawn I am not sure hiring people will necessarily increase revenue 19:21 I'm certain it would. 19:21 < RLim> what would the paid person do that would attract more people 19:21 < RLim> ? 19:21 Fix the website, send out letters 19:21 assure we are functioning at a basic level 19:21 < JohannWeiss> It's not that they would attract more people, they would maintain people 19:22 we get hung up on all these pragmatic loose ends, the things that MUST BE DONE 19:22 < RLim> so we're talking about two separate position 19:22 it drags us down, burdens us, takes away the fun of participation 19:22 while jake and I have many great promotional ideas 19:22 < JohannWeiss> We look very disorganized right now, so why would people trust us with their money 19:22 < JohannWeiss> How do they know we wont just screw up paperwork (which has happened) 19:22 < JakeDaynes> we ARE disorganized right now 19:22 < RLim> but can we afford them? 19:22 we can't implement them because we're focusing on the grunt work we weren't elected to do 19:23 We were elected for policy, to promote the party, and so on 19:23 < JohannWeiss> membership cards are a big current example 19:23 but as long as the party is effectively in shambles, I don't really have interest in bring people in 19:23 < JohannWeiss> They have taken *way* too long to get out 19:23 < JohannWeiss> and that's the first thing a new member sees us do. 19:24 < JohannWeiss> We're basically taking money and then failing to deliver on a simple commitment 19:24 < JohannWeiss> Which will convince new members that we aren't responsible enough to handle funds 19:24 < JohannWeiss> So why donate further? 19:24 < RLim> ok first we have to determine the cost and come up with a budget 19:24 < RLim> then we should have an escape clause to discontinue if it's not working out 19:25 < RLim> It should also go to membership for approval or we might be accused of favoritism etc 19:25 $576 a month to hire two people for 6 hour work weeks 19:25 < RLim> what would be our criteria for choosing the person? 19:26 < JohannWeiss> I'm looking into proper non-profit practice when hiring people 19:26 < RLim> those all have to be laid out clearly and presented at a GM 19:26 < JohannWeiss> I think that's acceptable 19:26 < JohannWeiss> it should go to a GM 19:26 < JakeDaynes> I think we're overthinking things a bit with jumping straight to hiring somebody 19:27 < JakeDaynes> I think the first step is to fix the major issues at hand 19:27 < JakeDaynes> First - Banking. I've sent an email to Stephane to get Effi's contact info to find out why we don't have account access yet 19:27 jake, with all due respect, we've had months to "fix the major issues" 19:27 < JohannWeiss> Is banking the only hold up? 19:27 < JakeDaynes> Yes 19:27 and the disproportionate amount falling on your shoulders is part of the problem. 19:27 < JohannWeiss> I can understand it for the the website, but what about everything else 19:28 < JakeDaynes> Banking is the only hold up to move servers, get the mail server working properly etc 19:28 once the mail server is working we can sent group mailouts, the mailing lists will work, and we can communicate better 19:28 < RLim> Even after we switched ISP we want somebody who will be able to respond quickly to any problem. I get frustrated when my e-mail does not get responded. I understand we are all not paid and have full time job, 19:29 < JakeDaynes> the issue with the cards not being mailed out is partially my fault, and partially Shawn's. It took me longer than expected to get the letters printed a second time, because the first time they had Mikkel's name on them. and it took longer than expected for the letters to be signed and stuffed to be mailed out 19:29 I'm wary to overload jake but there are also clear problems with the drupal site. posts dissappearing and such 19:29 < JakeDaynes> Nobody has mentioned posts dissappearing to me!? 19:29 < RLim> wiki going down 19:30 < RLim> are we sure our server did not get comrpomised? 19:30 < JakeDaynes> That is part of the server issues 19:30 < JakeDaynes> Very 19:30 < RLim> The protein folding thing is troubling 19:30 < RLim> *compromised 19:30 < JakeDaynes> That has been running since day one, and I have yet to find out why. It can be shut down easily 19:31 < RLim> Were we on iweb when Nuitari was running it? 19:31 < JakeDaynes> Yeah 19:31 < RLim> We did not get much problem back then. 19:31 I did mention it jake, with madi's application for the PC 19:31 < RLim> Now all sort of problem keep popping up. Wiki's going down when I am updating minutes 19:31 < JakeDaynes> as soon as the new server was setup, we started having issues - but not with the server, with the host 19:32 perhaps I should have followed up, but I feel bad bringing too mcuh to you because you already do so much 19:32 < RLim> plus that host sent us a DMC notice too so 19:32 and dealing with the banking cant be fun 19:32 < RLim> what about madi? 19:32 half/here. reading. etc. 19:32 her post to apply for the PC didnt work like five time 19:32 I eventually had to post it for her 19:32 < RLim> apply for pc? 19:32 < JakeDaynes> Dealing with the banking is frustrating as hell, because BMO is leading us around in a wild goose chase. But we need to get it taken care of 19:32 and I've heard of other people having problems logging in and stuff 19:32 < RLim> oh ic 19:32 Thank you Jake for putting the emphesis on the banking vs the IT situation. 19:33 * JakeDaynes nods 19:33 < JohannWeiss> ATTENTION! 19:33 < JohannWeiss> I'm going to withdraw my motion 19:33 < RLim> would my suggestion works. Have Stephane withdraw the money then we can start out fresh with new accounts 19:33 < JohannWeiss> I think we need to have further discussion on it in the forums before making any clear decisions on the matter 19:33 < RLim> ok 19:34 < JakeDaynes> Stephane no longer has access to the account 19:34 < JakeDaynes> Nobody does 19:34 < JohannWeiss> Continue with the current discussion, it's more important 19:34 < RLim> We'll continue on the forum. We can postpone the voting if needed 19:34 < RLim> Then we can only call Effi like every hour 19:34 < RLim> just keep asking "is it done yet" 19:34 < RLim> or have all of us call her. 19:34 < JakeDaynes> That's the issue with BMO - their hours are shit, and nobody currently has access to the account. Effi is our contact at the QC branch, and Stephane needs to forward her contact info to us 19:34 < RLim> Jake, Patrick, me, Nuitari 19:35 May I make a suggestion to seek out a new bank vendor 19:35 < RLim> sometimes bugging people works 19:35 < RLim> then if not ask to speak to her manager 19:36 < RLim> Can we provide link to Election Canada's website with all officers name? 19:36 < JakeDaynes> jhowell: that's on my list as soon as we get access to the account 19:36 < JakeDaynes> RLim: EC and the bank have nothing to do with each other 19:36 < RLim> I've asked the BMO rep to follow-up also 19:36 < JakeDaynes> Good 19:36 < RLim> that I need the banking account # etc 19:36 < JakeDaynes> I can't get to my BMO without skipping out on work, but I'm taking wednesday/thursday off, so i'll try then. 19:36 we should split into two groups for the time being - those dealing with banking and those who are not. I can't speak for everyone but hearing about banking absolutely kills my morale and I'd rather focus on things that can be done rather than should be done in these meetings. 19:37 < RLim> yeah same here. I can only go on Saturday and usually busy also 19:37 < JakeDaynes> Here the person I need to speak with isn't in on Saturdays 19:38 < RLim> Shawn, I am no PC but I am a bit concern about what seems like lack of activity and absences of the new members 19:38 < RLim> looks like adding new members did not change much 19:38 < RLim> oh 19:38 < RLim> I think I should probably bring up one very relevant news 19:38 < JohannWeiss> let's try and keep somewhat focused 19:39 < JohannWeiss> Finish one topic before jumping to another 19:39 Yeah, I can explain whats happened to the PC and how I see the path to fix it, if you'd like to hear. What topic are we on now? 19:39 < JohannWeiss> Is there anything more to say about the BMO fund problem? 19:39 < JohannWeiss> Damnit 19:39 < RLim> ok 19:39 < RLim> none here 19:39 < JohannWeiss> Council talk on hold, discuss after banking stuff 19:39 < JohannWeiss> Jake? 19:40 < JakeDaynes> I just sent another email to my local rep to get an update as well 19:40 < JakeDaynes> other than that, nothing to add 19:40 < JohannWeiss> So the current plan is that you've sent an email to your Rep and you're getting in touch with Stephane to get contact info for the QC rabnch? 19:40 < JohannWeiss> branch** 19:41 < JakeDaynes> Correct 19:41 < RLim> and going into the branch in his days off. Should you call for an appointment first just to be sure 19:41 < JakeDaynes> Ric has also requested an update from his rep 19:41 < RLim> ? 19:41 < JakeDaynes> I'll be calling the Nanaimo branch to arrange one, as I'll be there on those days 19:42 < RLim> same contact who have been e-mailing you? 19:42 < JohannWeiss> So hopefully you can get that meeting done before the next EB meeting? 19:42 < JohannWeiss> Just trying to get some timeframes and actions figured out concretely 19:42 < JakeDaynes> Yeah 19:42 < JakeDaynes> Wednesday/Thursday are my days off 19:43 < JakeDaynes> RLim: different branch 19:43 < JohannWeiss> So we're clear now on what will be happening before next Sunday 19:43 < JakeDaynes> Yeah 19:43 < JohannWeiss> RLim, you wanted to talk to Shawn about Political Council issues. 19:44 Yes, sure. I can explain the PC situation. 19:44 the council mailing list has been down for ??? and we've all been mailing it and thinking no one was bothering to respond. 19:45 this has increased our existing problem of meeting attendance 19:45 I'm trying to start getting the PC members working on autonomous projects 19:46 sid and steve are really burned out on activism after a solid year of constant organizing, and jesse isn't in the fold enough to feel confident doing his own thing 19:46 so I'm going to try to reach out to them soon. 19:46 sean hunt has decided to resign. wilson is starting to work on a report, and I'm working on facebook and considering my options for my own autonomous project 19:47 I've been making notes on strategy and merchandise which I plan to share at the appropriate time 19:47 once jesse, sid, patrick, and steve have their projects decided, I'll try to fill in the gaps 19:48 so that's where *we're at* 19:49 < RLim> let me know when you're done 19:49 I have had a very nihilistic view of the PPCA that I'm trying to shake. I am sure many of you have felt similar pessimism, but I do think there are measurable steps forward and we're in no significant rush, ultimately 19:49 I am done 19:49 (this banking thing has really dampened my participation, as a sidenote. it hurts to think about, it degrades participation, I look forward to it being done) 19:50 Oh, one more thing 19:50 If there are any issues with my leadership or lack thereof, I'd appreciate if you could shoot me an email about it. I'm trying to improve my participation right now and I feel like the leader is a poorly defined position 19:51 I want to delegate and take action, but I don't want to be overbearing 19:51 so any tips on how to walk that line are appreciated. 19:51 /done 19:51 < RLim> well my announcement is about Sean Hunt's resignation. He sent the e-mail before GM and I was supposed to relay that message. Unfortunately it was sent to my gmail which I only checked after the GM. 19:53 < RLim> I just want to make a comment. It might not be a fair statement but one thing that's in the back of my mind was Sid decision not to run in the by-election despite being elected as a candidate. Ther reasoning is it would compete with Green party. Will this become an ongoing issue that we are going to avoid running a candidate for fear of competing with a party that candidate favor 19:53 < RLim> ? 19:53 It will be, but it falls on the individual and not the party 19:53 < RLim> If the party looks very much like winning then it might be worth considering 19:53 our role as the party is to encourage people to run for us if they are competent 19:54 < RLim> otherwise a party can just get candidate nominated to block competition 19:54 yeah, thats true 19:54 we can bring that up in the future when nominating candidates 19:54 but there is no easy fix 19:54 < RLim> so IMHO a candidate should agree to step aside and give advance notice if they don't intend to run 19:54 < RLim> do we have the power to just replaced them? 19:54 if candidates are going to get cold feet, its out of our control. I agree though. 19:55 I think we do 19:56 < RLim> I am done 20:00 < JohannWeiss> There's no mention of replacing a candidate in the constitution 20:00 < JohannWeiss> This part though: "A candidate is expected to run in their riding in a federal election at the next available opportunity" 20:00 < JohannWeiss> Means that we would be in our rights to appoint a new candidate at a GM if we wished to 20:01 < Patrick> Yeah... makes sense if someoen isnt gonna run because of X... that we could pick someone else to take their place 20:01 < RLim> yeah but a very short notice does not help us. 20:02 < RLim> There's not much we can do I guess. But after not running at the next opportunity, should a new nomination automatically take place? 20:02 < JohannWeiss> In the future it would be a good question to ask any potentional candidates before we select them 20:02 < JakeDaynes> Nuitari is online 20:02 < RLim> yay 20:02 < JohannWeiss> It doesn't say that specificaly and I don't think it's very necessary 20:03 < JohannWeiss> We haven't had competition for the spots, so it wouldn't do us any good 20:03 < RLim> true 20:03 < RLim> but can we be assured that she will run next time 20:03 < RLim> ? 20:03 < JohannWeiss> No, but we'd never be assued 20:04 < JohannWeiss> assured 20:04 < RLim> at least they should give their word 20:04 < JohannWeiss> Anyone can decide not to at any time 20:04 < RLim> While we have Nuitari here. Can we go back to what we can do about the banking issues 20:04 < JohannWeiss> Until we have someone who would take her place it wouldn't solve anything 20:04 < RLim> or just adjourn the meeting if there's no other business and discuss it 20:04 < JohannWeiss> yes, sure 20:05 < JohannWeiss> Unless someone wishes to adjourn, I'll keep this going 20:05 < RLim> among the fund officers 20:05 < RLim> ok 20:05 < RLim> Nuitari, do you have Effie's contact info? 20:06 < Nuitari> RLim: only the phone number 20:06 < Nuitari> and I think it's the branches generic line 20:06 < Nuitari> 450 969 3950 20:06 < RLim> Does she know you? 20:07 < RLim> Just trying to think the best approach is 20:07 < RLim> if she dealt with you and remember you maybe it will help if you call her? 20:07 < Nuitari> I opened my business account and the party's account with her 20:07 < Nuitari> she already told me I'm not supposed to be involved anymore, but I can try 20:07 < RLim> hmm 20:09 < RLim> Jake can you call her? Maybe Jake and I can call her. Is she bilingual? 20:09 < Nuitari> yeah 20:09 < JakeDaynes> I'll call her tomorrow afternoon 20:10 < RLim> With regards to my suggestion about pointing to Election Canada's website with our name listed. I thought that would help clear any doubt she might have 20:10 < RLim> not sure what the delay is 20:10 < RLim> we all signed and my branch confirmed the signature have been forwarded to her 20:10 < RLim> Jake, did your contact confirmed that she forwarded the signature also 20:10 < RLim> ? 20:10 < JakeDaynes> Yes 20:11 < RLim> and Patrick also. right Patrick 20:11 < RLim> ? 20:11 < Patrick> She sent them to Effi 20:11 < JakeDaynes> good 20:11 < JakeDaynes> so they've all been sent 20:11 < Nuitari> how long ago was that? 20:12 < RLim> I guess JakeDaynes you can call her tomorrow 20:12 < RLim> then I can follow-up few days after 20:12 < RLim> then hopefully your branch and mine will call her also 20:12 < RLim> mine was back in August 20:13 <@JMcleod> Hi, says the late person 20:14 < JohannWeiss> Hey 20:14 < JohannWeiss> We're still meeting, dealing with fund stuff still 20:14 <@JMcleod> Great, is it resolved? 20:15 < RLim> hmm thinking how Nuirati can get involved without really being involved. :) 20:15 <@JMcleod> JakeDaynes: funny message :) 20:15 < JohannWeiss> They're figuring out what to do next week to try and fix it 20:15 < RLim> Maybe just mentioned it to her that you heard from us that we are having accessing our fund and need it to pay our bills. 20:15 < RLim> I guess delegating Nuitari probably won't mean anything to the bank. 20:16 < RLim> They don't want to tell me the branch of the account when I asked Saturday since I am not authorized on their record 20:17 < RLim> *problem accessing 20:17 < Nuitari> transit # 3306 20:17 <@JMcleod> Who is Nuitari to them? Is he still head of Fund? 20:17 < Nuitari> no 20:17 <@JMcleod> Or did they make the changes? 20:17 < RLim> ANother option, can we open a new account now and transfer all new income there? 20:17 < RLim> They told Nuitari he should not be involved anymore 20:18 <@JMcleod> The bank? 20:18 < RLim> Which does not really fix the issue but could give us access to some funds 20:18 < RLim> Quebec branch rep 20:18 <@JMcleod> And does Jake have access? 20:18 < RLim> nope 20:19 <@JMcleod> So the branch says no one has access? 20:19 < Nuitari> well 20:19 < RLim> I tried to see where it's at on Saturday by saying I want to deposit $20 20:19 < Nuitari> if you have the new account 20:19 < Nuitari> you can add it in paypal, then use add funds to transfer money from the old to the new account 20:19 < RLim> yeah let's do that. Jake? 20:20 <@JMcleod> Because if they say no one has access, it could be theft 20:20 < RLim> Feels like throwing things at Jake's lap again. That's why the paid coordinator sounds good. But I digress 20:20 < Nuitari> unless things changed radically you really don't have the income for that 20:20 < RLim> what's new with the bank? lol I just have to make a stereotype comment 20:21 < RLim> yeah few hours a week only Nuitari but still lots to discuss for that one so it's been delayed for now 20:22 < RLim> so what's our option JMcleod 20:22 < RLim> hire a lawyer? :P 20:22 <@JMcleod> We still cant pay anyone without access 20:22 <@JMcleod> Actually the bank account should be registered to the PPCA Fund correct? 20:22 < Nuitari> yes 20:23 < RLim> yeah we can open a new account now since Jake is registered already 20:24 < RLim> then update Paypal record. But we should do it without losing our sight on the current banking issues 20:24 <@JMcleod> So since Jake is head of the fund, maybe he could just send a formal notice 20:24 < RLim> and make sure we keep following up with Effie and our branch 20:25 < RLim> A letter? Maybe make one that is forceful but not threatening 20:25 < RLim> professionaly sounding 20:25 <@JMcleod> Well a formal notice = formal & threatening 20:25 < JohannWeiss> I am passing the Chair to the President 20:25 < Nuitari> RLim: on official looking stationary 20:26 < RLim> yeah we should probably do that and have it Fed Ex and traceable with her signature 20:26 < Nuitari> oya 20:26 < Nuitari> you might all want to validate your domain names and phone numbers 20:26 < Nuitari> I completed a server move recently and some stuff might have broken 20:26 <@JMcleod> Actually we can do it with Canada Post 20:26 < RLim> oh I want access to the domain 20:26 < Nuitari> piratepad.ca is dead and I doubt I can resurect it this time 20:26 < RLim> ok 20:27 < RLim> I still have your database dump from that I believe 20:27 < RLim> I think we can start fresh unless someone is looking for their old stuff 20:27 <@JMcleod> Anyone have any motions to make? 20:28 <@RLim> who is our registrar. I think it's good to have several officers have access to that. If all else fails we can just move the domain pointer 20:29 <@RLim> So what's the action plan? Jake sent a formal letter couriered to Effie? And at the same time call her tomorrow and follow-up with the branch? 20:29 <@RLim> Nuitari do you have the branch addresss handy? If not, I guess we could just google it 20:29 <@JMcleod> Well he should try simply by phone first. To see what they say 20:30 < Nuitari> RLim: bmo.com 20:30 < Nuitari> top right has a locate us 20:30 < Nuitari> you can enter the branch # 20:30 <@RLim> k 20:31 < Nuitari> got 3 letters from EC this week for Mikkel Paulson, party leader 20:31 <@RLim> hmm thought we changed the address already 20:31 <@RLim> and our officers record 20:32 <@JMcleod> Yeah that's update 20:32 <@JMcleod> d 20:32 < Nuitari> who should I foward them to ? 20:32 <@RLim> ping JakeDaynes shawn 20:33 <@RLim> so BMO branch is STE-DOROTHEE? 20:33 < Nuitari> yes 20:33 <@RLim> ok 20:33 <@JMcleod> STE = Saint 20:33 <@JMcleod> so you know 20:34 < Nuitari> Sainte 20:34 <@JMcleod> Well in French its Sainte, but there is no feminine in English 20:34 <@RLim> that reminds me of my time in Quebec. Have a hard time locating a street on GPS because of Sainte, Saint, Ste.... 20:34 <@RLim> I swear I tried them all 20:35 <@RLim> Nuitari I'll see if I can find Jake's address. I think you can forward it to him 20:35 <@JMcleod> 102-8635 Shaughnessy Street 20:35 <@JMcleod> Vancouver BC V6P 3Y3 20:36 <@JMcleod> (taken from EC website) 20:36 < Nuitari> isn't that his old one? 20:36 <@RLim> JMCleod beats me to it 20:36 <@RLim> unless he moved since August 20:36 <@RLim> I sent some stuff to him on August 20:37 <@JMcleod> The Leader should always update the Party's address so it should be correct 20:38 <@JohannWeiss> I've got to go eat dinner 20:38 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn 20:38 * JMcleod CCitizen, jhowell , JMcleod , JohannWeiss , Patrick , RLim 20:38 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn 20:38 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 20:38 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 20:38 <@JohannWeiss> aye 20:38 <@Patrick> aye 20:39 < Wilson> aye 20:39 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 3 Nays: 0 20:39 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: adjourn 20:39 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor



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