GM 2012-08-15 transcript



20:49:21 <@JMcleod> Alright Quorum finally 20:49:44 <+svulliez> Eugh, false quorum ? Qur 20:49:55 <+SeanHunt> we have a real quorum now 20:50:06 <@JMcleod> Ok well, I cannot get the minutes to load, so we cant approve that which we cant review :) 20:50:23 <@JMcleod> I will go ahead and give the floor to SeanHunt 20:50:24 <+SeanHunt> we need a secretary pro tem to take minutes at this meeting 20:50:32 <+SeanHunt> I nominate myself 20:50:36 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> seconded 20:50:47 <@JMcleod> SeanHunt is now the secretary for this meeting 20:51:00 <@JMcleod> Floor is yours SeanHunt 20:51:24 <+SeanHunt> I move that the voting results in the PC election be presented to the meeting. 20:51:46 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: that the voting results in the PC election be presented to the meeting. 20:52:23 <@JMcleod> Any discussion? 20:52:53 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> I would just ask that anybody that has not done so please vote on the www.pirateparty.ca website 20:53:27 <+BrokenSyntax> A moment to get caught up please. 20:54:09 <+phillipsjk> so the vote is not closed yet? 20:54:25 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> No, it is open until the GM closes it 20:54:35 <@JMcleod> no the vote is not closed until we vote on a motion to do so, like the one on the floor right now 20:55:39 <+XFaCE> I second the motion 20:56:20 <@JMcleod> ( I again forgot to wait for a second, sorry about that - getting too used to our EB meetings which dont require any ) 20:56:52 <+XFaCE> tisk tisk 20:57:55 <+Wilson> It has been 5 minutes since you asked for discussion. I'd say there is none 20:58:09 <@JMcleod> We had people asking to get caught up 20:58:15 <@JMcleod> BrokenSyntax: caught up yet? 20:58:40 <+j0ni> [00:55:33] * BrokenSyntax is caught up. 20:58:51 <@JMcleod> alright then 20:59:09 <@JMcleod> The following vote will effectively close the voting, if the motion passes 20:59:12 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: that the voting results in the PC election be presented to the meeting. 20:59:12 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 20:59:12 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 20:59:20 <+SeanHunt> aye 20:59:20 <+phillipsjk> aye 20:59:24 <+CCitizen> aye 20:59:24 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> aye 20:59:25 <+j0ni> aye 20:59:26 <+XFaCE> aye 20:59:26 <+Wilson> Aye 20:59:28 <+lcameron> aye 20:59:31 <+shawnvulliez> Aye 20:59:34 <+darknyan> Abstain. 20:59:59 <+BrokenSyntax> aye 21:00:58 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 10 Nays: 0 21:00:58 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: that the voting results in the PC election be presented to the meeting. 21:00:58 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 21:01:19 <+CCitizen> So who has the results 21:01:27 <@JMcleod> Alright then, Jake, please close the voting. 21:02:03 <+SeanHunt> btw everyone 21:02:05 <@JMcleod> How much time do we need to get results up somewhere? 21:02:07 <+SeanHunt> off-topic discussion in #riff-raff 21:02:25 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> I can have results up momentarily 21:02:28 <@JMcleod> not #canada-riffraff ? 21:03:08 <@JMcleod> Please have em up ASAP :) 21:03:16 <+XFaCE> That's three riff-raff channels 21:03:31 <@JMcleod> Well, use the one in the MOTD 21:03:38 <+XFaCE> ? 21:03:43 <@JMcleod> or channel topic if you prefer 21:03:43 <+XFaCE> MOTD? 21:03:48 <+SeanHunt> err, yes 21:03:50 <+SeanHunt> #canada-riffraff 21:03:53 <+XFaCE> what is MOTD? 21:03:53 <+SeanHunt> that is the correct one 21:03:58 <@JMcleod> motd = message of the day which is usually a topic 21:04:01 <+XFaCE> aha 21:04:04 <+SeanHunt> nah, the motd is a server thing 21:04:09 <+SeanHunt> the server sends it when you sign on 21:04:13 <+SeanHunt> you can /motd to get another copy 21:04:18 <@JMcleod> well on IRC maybe 21:04:27 <+CCitizen> you mean the channel topic 21:04:37 <@JMcleod> I saw too many chats, but yeah, I mean channel topic 21:08:29 <+XFaCE> Can I forward a motion while the results are being compiled? 21:09:03 <+SeanHunt> ^ 21:09:25 <+shawnvulliez> Sure 21:09:41 <+shawnvulliez> We can discuss it in the meanwhile at least 21:10:04 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Results have been compiled 21:10:14 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> I'm going to post a link to a protected google doc in 5 seconds 21:11:01 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhE-u9VaEIfOdGQxS2c2cVV2SWtfMnpqVjM5XzRoS3c 21:11:17 <+SeanHunt> that was 47 21:11:55 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Your verification codes are there to make sure that your votes were counted properly, and the VID is the Vote ID for this vote. Columns for Vote6-12 are to be ignored as they were not used for this vote. 21:12:02 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> SeanHunt: Was that a sense of humor? 21:12:11 <+SeanHunt> yes 21:12:33 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Jesus Christ, I guess I owe svulliez $50... 21:13:21 <+shawnvulliez> You can pay me in back rubs 21:13:52 <+SeanHunt> did you two bet about everyone getting elected? 21:14:06 <@JMcleod> at first glance looks like everyone is elected 21:14:08 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> No, it was about your sense of humor 21:14:24 <+SeanHunt> hahahahahahahaha 21:14:39 <+SeanHunt> I have one, thank you very much ;) 21:14:52 <+SeanHunt> (and it is slightly more sophisticated than that usually) 21:14:53 <+SeanHunt> (slightly) 21:15:52 <+XFaCE> Wilson: I'm sorry you didn't win Dr. Wilson 21:16:01 <@JMcleod> abstains dont count in approval right? 21:16:04 <+SeanHunt> correct 21:16:06 <+BrokenSyntax> I can confirm that my votes do indeed match the ID. 21:16:10 <+SeanHunt> as can I 21:16:18 <+pappasadrian> so, "no" and "abstain" is considered the same? 21:16:25 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Ah, nevermind 21:16:29 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> I knew there was an issue there… hold on 21:16:37 <+BrokenSyntax> no = -1? 21:17:18 <+darknyan> I would like to raise a motion. 21:18:35 <+SeanHunt> Please PM JMcleod if you want to make a motion 21:18:39 <+SeanHunt> easier for him that way 21:18:47 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> There we go 21:18:54 <+darknyan> .msg JMcleod Would like to raise the motion of creating a Youth Wing. 21:19:01 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Count 1 and 0, divide 1s by total 1+0s 21:19:23 <@JMcleod> Please PM me for motions, we are compiling results so we can properly announce them 21:20:20 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Results are as follows: 21:20:44 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Madison Wozni - 81% 21:21:12 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Patrick Fitzgerald - 81% 21:21:20 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Steve Henderson - 95% 21:21:24 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> James Wilson - 94% 21:21:30 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Jesse Gaudet - 94% 21:21:39 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> All candidates have been elected to the Political Council 21:22:03 <+XFaCE> congratulations Dr. Wilson 21:22:19 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Congratulations to all Candidates 21:23:12 <@JMcleod> Alright I come to the same count as Jake Daynes. So take his announcement as mine :) 21:25:24 <@JMcleod> Alright then, XFaCE you asked to make a motion first, you have the floor 21:26:40 <+XFaCE> My motion is to issue some sort of official policy/enforcement/recognition of #canada-riffraff being the only official PPCA channel for the purpose of low-key disussion during meetings. 21:27:26 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> seconded 21:27:31 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> I think it'll help with organization 21:27:34 <@JMcleod> see I waited :) 21:27:37 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: to issue some sort of official policy/enforcement/recognition of #canada-riffraff being the only official PPCA channel for the purpose of low-key disussion during meetings. 21:27:38 <+XFaCE> :) 21:27:49 <+XFaCE> *discussion 21:28:25 <+pappasadrian> does this need official approval? 21:28:30 <+phillipsjk> no objection. 21:28:58 <+phillipsjk> to be "offical", yes. 21:29:19 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: to issue some sort of official policy/enforcement/recognition of #canada-riffraff being the only official PPCA channel for the purpose of low-key disussion during meetings. 21:29:19 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 21:29:19 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 21:29:41 <+lcameron> abstain 21:29:44 <+pappasadrian> abstain 21:29:45 <+XFaCE> aye 21:29:46 <+BrokenSyntax> aye 21:29:50 <+phillipsjk> abstain 21:30:04 <+Wilson> abstain 21:30:11 <+SeanHunt> aye 21:30:11 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> aye 21:30:20 <+j0ni> abstain 21:31:04 <+CCitizen> abstain 21:32:03 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 4 Nays: 100 21:32:04 <@JMcleod> The motion is defeated. 21:32:04 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 21:32:17 <@JMcleod> 100 = We did not get half of quorum 21:32:35 <+XFaCE> ah 21:32:38 <+XFaCE> interesting math there 21:32:54 <@JMcleod> its my lazy script writing 21:32:58 <@JMcleod> :) 21:33:04 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Though do Abstains not count towards the quorum of the vote, but not the results? 21:33:14 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> it would be different if nobody said anything 21:33:23 <+SeanHunt> JakeDaynesPPCA: the way the rule is worded, it must receive a number of affirmative votes equal to half quorum 21:33:43 <@JMcleod> Like Sean said, but he types way faster than me :) 21:33:48 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> gotcha 21:33:48 <+BrokenSyntax> Ergo, negative and non-votes have similar effect. 21:33:56 <+SeanHunt> at least with regards to that rule, yes 21:34:23 <@JMcleod> SeanHunt: You have the floor now 21:35:15 <+SeanHunt> I move to amend the rule regarding quarterly reports so that quarterly reports are due in January, April, July, and October. 21:35:35 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: to amend the rule regarding quarterly reports so that quarterly reports are due in January, April, July, and October. 21:35:36 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> second 21:35:59 <@JMcleod> Discussion? 21:36:01 <+SeanHunt> So I moved this motion for quarterly reports 21:36:07 <+SeanHunt> I think they're a great thing, and should happen 21:36:13 <+SeanHunt> however, I failed to take into account the timing of elections 21:36:33 <+SeanHunt> elections start in January, which means that as written, the new PC and EB would have very little time to prepare the reports (which are due in February) 21:36:47 <+SeanHunt> this lines it up so that the outgoing EB and PC make their reports, then the elections happen 21:37:18 <+SeanHunt> to a lesser extent, we learned that August is vacation season and nothing gets done so there weren't reports prepared in time by either EB or PC *sheepish* 21:37:55 <+BrokenSyntax> This makes sense to me. A tally of where things stand as we go into elections instead of coming out of, could add perspective. 21:38:19 <+SeanHunt> also gives a starting point to the newly elected members 21:38:40 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Agreed 21:39:28 <@JMcleod> Done Sean? 21:40:25 <+phillipsjk> Could the motion, as worded, have the opposite effect? Outgoing board members don't do their reports, then the incoming people have only a week? 21:41:20 <+SeanHunt> I suspect in that situation, they would just ask to waive the report, or work on one for next month 21:41:29 <+SeanHunt> in any case, I don't think that we would be very harsh on incoming members 21:41:38 <+SeanHunt> (yeah, I'm done unless there's more questions) 21:42:24 <@JMcleod> Alright then, lets get this voted on 21:42:30 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: to amend the rule regarding quarterly reports so that quarterly reports are due in January, April, July, and October. 21:42:30 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 21:42:30 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 21:42:32 <+SeanHunt> aye 21:42:36 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> aye 21:42:39 <+phillipsjk> aye 21:42:41 <+thor> aye 21:42:42 <+BrokenSyntax> aye 21:42:43 <+Wilson> aye 21:42:45 <+lcameron> aye 21:42:45 <+darknyan> abstain 21:42:50 <+XFaCE> aye 21:43:41 <+pappasadrian> aye 21:43:56 <+CCitizen> aye 21:44:13 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 10 Nays: 0 21:44:13 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: to amend the rule regarding quarterly reports so that quarterly reports are due in January, April, July, and October. 21:44:13 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 21:44:31 <@JMcleod> Next for floor is DarkNyan 21:45:10 <+darknyan> Hello ladies and gentlemen. 21:45:26 <+darknyan> I would like to raise the motion of creating a Youth Wing. 21:45:53 <@JMcleod> Waiting on a second 21:45:58 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> seconded 21:46:06 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: creating a Youth Wing. 21:46:25 <@JMcleod> Can you explain what a youth wing is, does and why we need one? 21:46:28 <+BrokenSyntax> darknyan, the purpose and approach? 21:46:30 <+darknyan> This generation, the one that I am part of, is one of the most technologically dependent of all. 21:47:03 <+darknyan> The purpose will be to allign Canada's Youth with Pirate Politics. 21:47:32 <+darknyan> To provide equal access to technology to those under 18 who do not have access. 21:47:50 <+darknyan> To get teenagers, childrens and others more involved in politics. 21:48:27 <+darknyan> I wish for a council of 3-5 members, to establish this initative. 21:48:30 <+pappasadrian> it's a good way to approach younger people, with political issues that concern them directly 21:48:52 <+darknyan> During SOPA, many people in Vancouver and Burnaby put up posters and used guriella marketing in their schools and communities. 21:48:56 <+pappasadrian> so i suppose it's a good idea, if it's coordinated correctly 21:49:14 <+shawnvulliez> Are you willing too be heavily involved yourself nyan? 21:49:30 <+darknyan> During the Teacher's Union Strike, thousands of students gathered and walked out. 21:49:36 <+darknyan> Yes, I am willing to be involved. 21:49:37 <+BrokenSyntax> I could see this working, especially if we were to involve the youth groups in party projects. I have noticed that the generational apathy for politics is subsiding as world politics affect us more and more at home. 21:49:40 <+darknyan> I am a teenager myself. 21:49:51 <+darknyan> I will be right back. 21:50:20 <@JMcleod> im a teenager at heart, does it count? 21:50:30 <+pappasadrian> on a semi-relevant note: there have been discussions over the past few weeks on the coordination of pirate youths, internationally 21:50:46 <+BrokenSyntax> I also see the chance for this to be taxing on the party as it stands both economically and in available man hours. Do you have any initial plans on how to approach the "modern youth" in relation to this task-force? 21:50:53 <+pappasadrian> so that's something else that might interest the youth wing 21:51:05 <+darknyan> Aggressive Social Marketing Campaigns. 21:51:11 <+darknyan> Similar to how SOPA was cut down. 21:51:31 <+BrokenSyntax> How do we keep interest after the initial vault out of the gates? 21:51:42 <+darknyan> I'm sorry, I don't understand BrokenSyntax 21:52:03 <+darknyan> The UK pirate party has 550 members and a youth wing. 21:52:04 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> (is under 25) 21:52:07 <+darknyan> We have like, 1000? 21:52:11 <+SeanHunt> darknyan: how young do you envision the youth wing being? 21:52:14 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> 3200-ish 21:52:17 <+darknyan> 6-28 21:52:23 <+pappasadrian> 6? 21:52:34 <+darknyan> Sorry, 9. 21:52:43 <+pappasadrian> even 9.. 21:52:57 <+phillipsjk> Old enough for a cell-phone, old enough to care about net neutrality. :) 21:52:59 <+pappasadrian> children dont have their critical thought much developed at that age 21:53:01 <+BrokenSyntax> I'll rephrase. An aggressive social movement is great for generating interest... 21:53:15 <+BrokenSyntax> But, once interest has been generated what do we do with it? 21:53:18 <+darknyan> They won't be allowed to vote in PPCA meetings until 12. 21:53:53 <@JMcleod> PPCA meetings or PPCA youth meetings? 21:53:55 <+darknyan> Well, honestly, I think it needs more thought with input from members. 21:54:05 <+darknyan> Would anyone like to make any suggestions of changes? 21:54:08 <+pappasadrian> BrokenSyntax, if i may answer: constant activities 21:54:13 <@JMcleod> Also, we just lost quorum, lets keep discussing and see if Wilson comes back. 21:54:21 <+SeanHunt> ^ 21:54:25 <+BrokenSyntax> pappasadrian, Thanks :D 21:55:06 <+BrokenSyntax> darknyan, as a youth yourself, what kind of activities would you personally like to see (as we wait) 21:55:07 <+pappasadrian> darknyan, this suggestion is a good idea, but needs a lot of preparation, as far as im concerned 21:55:17 <+SeanHunt> JMcleod: Can I call people to order? This would be easier to follow if we had people talking about it do so in turn 21:55:28 <+SeanHunt> just darknyan and questions to start 21:55:32 <+darknyan> I would like to see rallying and student participation in politics of Canada. 21:56:07 <@JMcleod> Well we could do a Q&A with darknyan 21:56:34 <+darknyan> I'm all for it, but my experience is in Human Rights in East Asian Countries, not Youth wings and organizations. 21:56:41 <+darknyan> but I would be willing to be actively involved in it. 21:56:49 <+BrokenSyntax> !Q 21:57:18 <@JMcleod> Go ahead and ask Broken 21:58:42 <@JMcleod> ok then since nothing is happening 21:58:48 <@JMcleod> SeanHunt has the floor 21:58:54 <+SeanHunt> hey everyone 21:59:01 <+SeanHunt> darknyan, thanks for the motion 21:59:03 <+BrokenSyntax> So then, this is more to create a task force that would prepare for a youth-pirate movement at this stage? Once the task force and directions are made, then action would be discussed? 21:59:20 <+SeanHunt> (I'll let darknyan answer that quickly) 21:59:43 <+darknyan> Correct. 21:59:50 <+darknyan> To limited extent. 21:59:59 <+SeanHunt> Ok. 22:00:38 <+SeanHunt> I think that as a party, we already have strong youth appeal, and a lot of our members are very young for a political party 22:00:40 <+darknyan> We would be trying to increase debate, political and employibility. 22:00:53 <+SeanHunt> So much so, in fact, that I don't think we really need to have a youth wing 22:01:08 <+SeanHunt> We already have lots of other things to do 22:01:14 <+BrokenSyntax> (Quorum returns.) 22:01:26 <+darknyan> Very well, shall we deny this motion? 22:01:32 <+SeanHunt> going to the effort of trying to set up a youth wing seems to me like a bit of a wasted effort, since a large percentage of our party would be included 22:01:50 <+SeanHunt> I think we should just make sure that youth feel like they are able to participate in the party as it is without needing the "shelter" of a youth wing 22:01:58 <+SeanHunt> like darknyan is doing today :) 22:02:21 <+SeanHunt> if anyone wants to help out, they should email council@pirateparty.ca in the interim until our VP is set up 22:02:29 <+SeanHunt> (done) 22:02:39 <@JMcleod> alright, welcome back Wilson 22:02:40 <+SeanHunt> (oh, yes, I think we should defeat the motion) 22:02:46 <+darknyan> My point exactly. 22:02:51 <@JMcleod> we now have quorum again 22:03:08 <@JMcleod> Quickpoll: I'm 30, who's older? 22:03:14 <+Wilson> (sorry bout that, comp doesn't have the decency to tell me chat crashed) 22:03:19 <+darknyan> Then maybe we could change the motion to reduce membership fees for those under 16? 22:03:39 <@JMcleod> ok I feel old 22:03:44 <+BrokenSyntax> sorry JMcleod 22:03:58 <+SeanHunt> a motion to simply abolish the fee altogether would certainly see some traction 22:04:05 <+SeanHunt> though I don't know if it would pass 22:04:08 <+SeanHunt> it's been bandied around 22:04:13 <@JMcleod> ok jokes aside, lets vote on this unless there is any more meaningful discussion? 22:04:18 <+BrokenSyntax> darknyan, I like the idea of making thep arty more accessible to youth. 22:05:02 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: creating a Youth Wing. 22:05:02 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 22:05:02 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 22:05:05 <+darknyan> Sorry about that, I'm being DDOSed by Asian bots. 22:05:10 <+BrokenSyntax> darknyan, I also like the idea of a youth-action plan to create discussion, stir, and social response to the Pirate Party. It continues to be largely an unknown entity in all age groups, and our name doesn't help with members of the community with a more advanced age. 22:05:36 <+darknyan> Aye. 22:05:40 <+XFaCE> nay 22:05:41 <+SeanHunt> nay 22:05:44 <+lcameron> nay 22:05:48 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> nay 22:05:56 <+phillipsjk> nay 22:05:59 <+pappasadrian> aye 22:06:01 <+Wilson> nay 22:06:31 <+shawnvulliez> Aye 22:07:02 <+BrokenSyntax> aye 22:07:49 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 4 Nays: 6 22:07:49 <@JMcleod> The motion is defeated. 22:07:49 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 22:08:13 <@JMcleod> I think SeanHunt wanted the floor again, correct? 22:08:34 <@JMcleod> Quorum lost 22:08:35 <+SeanHunt> aww... 22:08:38 <+anon7566> what? 22:08:51 <+BrokenSyntax> He did worn that he was having connection issues. 22:08:56 <+anon7566> ... 22:09:06 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> warn* :P 22:09:08 <+SeanHunt> Actually, does anyone else want to go? Mine isn't important 22:09:20 <@JMcleod> Well since we dont have quorum 22:09:25 I had one more motion but that's for a think tank, meh. 22:09:25 <@JMcleod> we arent taking new motions 22:09:34 <+BrokenSyntax> We don't? 22:09:34 <@JMcleod> or wait 22:09:41 <@JMcleod> lets revoice him 22:09:43 <@JMcleod> :) 22:09:50 <+BrokenSyntax> lol JakeDaynesPPCA thanks 22:10:08 <@JMcleod> K back to having Quorum again 22:10:13 <+SeanHunt> darknyan: we don't have the resources for a think tank 22:11:00 <@JMcleod> Anyways. Let me get a few things up to date 22:11:16 <@JMcleod> JakeDaynesPPCA & | shawnvulliez - Membership cards? 22:11:56 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> Need to get the letter printed, but the cards are printed 22:12:01 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> and the printing holdup is my part 22:12:08 <@JMcleod> How soon? 22:12:24 <@JMcleod> Now that voting & stuff is done 22:12:26 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> I"m gonna try to get them printed by friday 22:12:35 <@JMcleod> Alright then 22:12:49 <+pappasadrian> membership cards? :3 22:13:17 <+darknyan> Where are they being printed? 22:13:28 <@JMcleod> In BC 22:13:31 <+shawnvulliez> I'll be mailing them early next week when the letters are printed 22:13:47 <+darknyan> Which printer? 22:13:56 <@JMcleod> The yellow one 22:14:04 <@JMcleod> or is it yellow because its old? 22:14:05 <+darknyan> I'm about to print a half thousand passports. 22:14:14 <+anon7566> whoah 22:14:19 <+anon7566> can you print me a passport bro? 22:14:32 <@JMcleod> lol thats for riffraff 22:14:38 <+darknyan> Sorry, I'll carry it on there. 22:14:43 <@JMcleod> SeanHunt: You have floor 22:14:52 <+shawnvulliez> Can we keep all forgery discussion to riffraff please haha 22:15:06 <+SeanHunt> I move to discharge from the IT Committee the motion regarding the voting system. 22:15:17 <+SeanHunt> (for the record, the motion was:) 22:15:27 <+SeanHunt> that our voting process shall include a random confirmation code that is not seeded from any personal information. That the code be displayed to the voter after each vote. The voting results report would list each vote with the confirmation code to allow verification by members that their vote was recorded correctly. A separate list of voters would also be kept that counts total number of voters. The number of votes on both list should match. And ... 22:15:27 <+SeanHunt> ... lastly, verification of the integrity of the system shall be conducted by two individuals, from EB and the fund (preferably President and chief of the fund). Verification shall include checking logs for the sites and database. The verifier shall excuse himself and have another member of EB or the Fund take over if there is any remote chance that he/she will be perceived as having a conflict of interest in the subject being voted on. 22:16:14 <@JMcleod> any second? 22:16:39 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> by discharge you mean remove it, or confirm that it was completed? 22:16:51 <+SeanHunt> Remove the motion from the committee's hands and bring it back to this meeting 22:17:10 <+SeanHunt> since the motion was sent to the IT Committee for review 22:17:14 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> seconded? 22:17:28 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: to discharge from the IT Committee the motion regarding the voting system. 22:18:08 <+SeanHunt> The reasons I want to do this are a) it was supposed to be back by now b) the committee discussed the substance and agrees with it c) I have a rewritten motion with better clarity 22:19:29 <+BrokenSyntax> I'll second 22:19:36 <@JMcleod> already seconded 22:19:41 <@JMcleod> we will vote on it 22:19:43 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: to discharge from the IT Committee the motion regarding the voting system. 22:19:43 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 22:19:43 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 22:19:44 <+BrokenSyntax> Oh I only saw two questions on seconding. 22:19:45 <+SeanHunt> aye 22:19:46 <+BrokenSyntax> aye 22:19:53 <+lcameron> aye 22:19:56 <+phillipsjk> aye 22:19:59 <+pappasadrian> aye 22:20:02 <+Wilson> aye 22:20:29 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> aye 22:20:37 <+anon7566> aye 22:21:13 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 8 Nays: 0 22:21:13 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: to discharge from the IT Committee the motion regarding the voting system. 22:21:13 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 22:21:37 <+SeanHunt> there is a motion on the floor! 22:21:41 <+SeanHunt> the motion we just discharged. 22:22:00 <+pappasadrian> wtf? 22:22:06 <@JMcleod> lol 22:22:10 <+SeanHunt> Discharging the motion brings it back to this meeting 22:22:14 <+SeanHunt> now it is pending again 22:22:24 <@JMcleod> do you really think I programmed my script to take that into consideration? 22:22:26 <+SeanHunt> nope 22:22:29 <+SeanHunt> anyway 22:22:37 <+SeanHunt> I move to substitute a motion to adopt the following resolutions: 22:22:45 <+SeanHunt> Resolved, that the ballot voting process shall associate to each vote a random confirmation code that is not seeded from any personal information. 22:22:45 <+SeanHunt> Resolved, that abstention shall be a listed option on all ballots. 22:22:45 <+SeanHunt> Resolved, that the confirmation code will be displayed to the voter after they cast their vote. 22:22:45 <+SeanHunt> Resolved, that when voting results are published, they shall list each vote with the confirmation code to allow verification by members that their vote was recorded correctly. 22:22:45 <+SeanHunt> Resolved, that a list shall be kept of which members have voted, but this list shall not be published. 22:22:45 <+SeanHunt> Resolved, that the number of voters on both lists should match. 22:22:45 <+SeanHunt> Resolved, that verification of the integrity of the system, including checking logs for the site and database, shall be conducted by two individuals after each all-party ballot. 22:22:45 <+SeanHunt> Resolved, that no verifier shall have a perceived conflict of interest on the subject being voted on. 22:22:45 <+SeanHunt> Resolved, that the EB and the Fund shall each nominate one verifier, and if possible, the verifiers shall be the presidents of the Party and the Fund. 22:22:45 <+SeanHunt> Resolved, that if there is any issue with the voting system or results, the nature of the issue shall be brought to and decided by a general meeting before the results are published or presented to that meeting. 22:24:30 <+SeanHunt> this is basically the other motion, but reworded into bite-sized pieces 22:25:07 <+pappasadrian> what if the verifiers dont have enough technical knowledge to verify the integrity of the system? 22:25:44 <@JMcleod> any second 22:25:50 <+SeanHunt> that's up to the EB and fund to decide, I guess. I'm not really sure why the fund in the first place, since it's just for our finances, but that was in the original. 22:25:52 <+phillipsjk> I second 22:26:14 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: to substitute a motion with what is found here http://piratepad.ca/So5QerS0qg 22:26:17 <@JMcleod> :) 22:26:26 <+phillipsjk> pappasadrian, that is abstracted away by the motion. The two lists should be separate as well. 22:28:55 <+SeanHunt> can we vote? 22:29:08 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: to substitute a motion with what is found here http://piratepad.ca/So5QerS0qg 22:29:08 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 22:29:08 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 22:29:13 <+SeanHunt> aye 22:29:19 <+BrokenSyntax> aye 22:29:24 <+Wilson> aye 22:29:25 <+pappasadrian> aye 22:29:30 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> aye 22:29:37 <+phillipsjk> aye 22:29:42 <+shawnvulliez> Aye 22:30:01 <+lcameron> aye 22:30:42 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 8 Nays: 0 22:30:42 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: to substitute a motion with what is found here http://piratepad.ca/So5QerS0qg 22:30:42 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 22:30:58 <+BrokenSyntax> Quorum 22:31:03 <@JMcleod> Quorum lost again 22:31:08 <@JMcleod> so meanwhile 22:31:20 <@JMcleod> Let me just sum up my recent activity as president, other than annoying EC & other party bodies such as IT and our Dear Leader. 22:31:24 <@JMcleod> First off, let me say I really like the new site. 22:31:26 <@JMcleod> Although tweaks and touch ups are still necessary, I think it looks better than our 2 previous versions. 22:31:29 <@JMcleod> Recently, its speed has been optimized so thank you to everyone who helped in finding and solving the issue. 22:31:31 <@JMcleod> I recently approved a change proposed by the IT department which will change our hosting. 22:31:33 <@JMcleod> This should save us some money (20$-40$/month once all is set up) and gives us access to far better machines. 22:31:35 <@JMcleod> The EB also gave the IT director much more decisional power as our IT board seemed to have more thinkers than doers. 22:33:26 <+SeanHunt> I'll give a short update from PC 22:33:33 <+SeanHunt> We've been understaffed; Jake's been overworked 22:33:51 <+SeanHunt> but we are going to work with the new members to establish a Remix Your Government campaign to crowdsource our platform 22:34:11 <+SeanHunt> We also have preparations for the by-election in Calgary Centre 22:34:39 <+SeanHunt> We don't currently have candidates for Durham or Etobicoke Centre; if anyone knows anyone who might want to run, they should bring it up! 22:35:16 <+SeanHunt> These are the two ridings with impending by-elections 22:35:27 <+SeanHunt> well, assuming the SCC holds up the Etobicoke Centre ruling, anyway 22:35:52 <+SeanHunt> teamcoltra: what happened to our merchandise order? 22:37:00 SeanHunt - still in the works, because we were going to get flags with PPFR and that fell through and then I got overwhelmed with other things it really never happened. 22:37:15 <+SeanHunt> teamcoltra: ok. We should chat about that 22:37:48 <+SeanHunt> teamcoltra: is PPUS still up for working together on an order? 22:37:51 <+darknyan> If you guys are overworked, can I help in any way? 22:37:54 <@JMcleod> ok its getting late 22:37:55 <+SeanHunt> is it worth it if it's not coming internationally? 22:37:58 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: ajourn the meeting due to lack of quorum 22:38:02 <+SeanHunt> darknyan: any skill with graphic design? That would be ideal 22:38:04 SeanHunt Yeah It is 22:38:05 <+SeanHunt> second 22:38:10 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: ajourn the meeting due to lack of quorum 22:38:10 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 22:38:10 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 22:38:11 and our states have all moved to purple 22:38:14 <+SeanHunt> sweet 22:38:21 <+lcameron> aye 22:38:22 <+pappasadrian> aye 22:38:24 <+BrokenSyntax> aye 22:38:25 <+SeanHunt> aye 22:38:32 nay 22:38:36 <@JakeDaynesPPCA> aye 22:38:36 <+pappasadrian> and goodnight from me 22:38:37 <+phillipsjk> aye 22:39:57 <+BrokenSyntax> RE: Graphics design and others. 22:40:06 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 6 Nays: 1 22:40:06 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: ajourn the meeting due to lack of quorum

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