EB 2012-11-11 transcript



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18:27 < Patrick> Hey 18:27 < RLim> hi Patrick 18:28 <@JMcleod> Hi 18:28 < JohannWeiss> Hey 18:29 <@JMcleod> Alright well lets start this 18:29 <@JMcleod> Any minutes? 18:30 <@RLim> Working on it now. Been busy the whole week sorry. Can we come back to it? 18:32 <@RLim> just 3 minutes 18:32 <@JMcleod> We can wait :) 18:33 <@JMcleod> In the meantime, any business? 18:33 <@RLim> oh we still have to approve the motion from October 28th? 18:33 <@RLim> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=EB_2012-10-28_minutes 18:34 <@Wilson> minutes look good 18:35 <@RLim> and http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EC_2012-11-04_minutes 18:35 <@JohannWeiss> the 28th looks good to me\ 18:36 <@JMcleod> Ok 28th is approved 18:36 <@JMcleod> Im pretty sure we got quorum right after we adjourned last week and went ahead with the meeting. 18:37 <@Wilson> yah, was just gonna say. I think I sent Ric that transcript 18:37 <@RLim> But it's already adjourned. Technicality I guess. But I am posting the whole transcript 18:37 <@Wilson> we didn't adopt anything that meeting did we? 18:38 <@JMcleod> Didnt we adopt motion rules for forums? 18:38 <@JohannWeiss> Yup 18:38 <@JMcleod> And even if we adjourned, we can meet if people show up right after 18:38 <@Wilson> so...have called to order>ajourned>called to order>motion adopted>ajourned? 18:39 <@JMcleod> yeah :) 18:39 <@RLim> ok I'll edit and put that motion in 18:39 <@JMcleod> along with discussion in between 18:39 <@JMcleod> Think if meeting IRL and people show up late cuz of an accident on the corner 18:40 <@JMcleod> adjourn, look out, see everyone come in, go back and meet :) 18:40 <@JMcleod> same thing but IRC its just because people forgot about time change :P 18:46 <@RLim> ok it's taking me longer to cut and paste 18:47 <@RLim> it's a looong motion 18:47 <@Wilson> sorry :(  Not really any other way  ;) 18:47 <@JMcleod> In the meantime, anyone have any business tonight other than directing your attention to a vote currently opened motion on Ric's forum? 18:47 <@JohannWeiss> Yeah, 18:48 <@Wilson> I will be stepping out for supper for a moment. which is terrioble toiming brb >.< 18:48 <@JohannWeiss> I was wanting to get a status update on that subcomittee we started a while ago that scshunt was heading 18:48 <@JohannWeiss> It was to create a document with info for new officers 18:48 <@JohannWeiss> Like what each job is required to do 18:49 <@JohannWeiss> I think it was about a month ago? 18:52 <@JMcleod> Good idea, is scshunt here? 18:52 ? 18:52 <@JMcleod> [19:48:13] <@JohannWeiss> I was wanting to get a status update on that subcomittee we started a while ago that scshunt was heading 18:52 <@JMcleod> [19:48:31] <@JohannWeiss> It was to create a document with info for new officers 18:52 <@JMcleod> [19:48:44] <@JohannWeiss> Like what each job is required to do 18:52 <@JMcleod> [19:48:51] <@JohannWeiss> I think it was about a month ago? 18:52 oh yeah, that's gone nowhere :( 18:53 <@JohannWeiss> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EB_2012-08-05_minutes 18:53 <@JohannWeiss> There it is 18:53 I had picked Ric and Jeremy, then Ric went away, then I forgot :( 18:53 so my fault 18:54 <@JMcleod> I had forgotten too :) 18:54 <@JohannWeiss> Will you be able to start working on it soon? If so, is there something we can do to help? 18:54 I'm not sure 18:54 <@Wilson> ok back 18:54 <@JMcleod> If not then should we have someone else head it? 18:55 That would probably be best :( 18:56 <@JohannWeiss> If no one else wants to, I'll volunteer to do it 18:56 <@JohannWeiss> (mostly I just want to make sure it's done before the next elections happen) 18:56 <@RLim> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EB_2012-11-04_minutes 18:57 <@JMcleod> ok that looks better Ric - I think it was all 18:57 <@RLim> I wish I can volunteer but I am really up to my neck on things I have to do 18:57 <@JMcleod> We wont burn you out Ric. VP is quite empty ;) 18:57 <@RLim> I could contribute inputs on forum 18:58 <@JohannWeiss> Yup 18:58 <@JohannWeiss> I will probably have to ask all of you for input, but you can respond when you've got time, no rush. I'll just take care of compiling the info into something useful 18:59 <@JohannWeiss> So I suppose we should make a Motion to that effect 18:59 <@JMcleod> I move that we replace Sean Hunt with Johann Weiss to head the committee tasked with writing comprehensive 18:59 <@JMcleod>                    document on what the duties and responsibilities of each 18:59 <@JMcleod>                     of the administrative roles is 19:00 I second :P 19:00 <@Wilson> I second 19:00 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: that we replace Sean Hunt with Johann Weiss to head the committee tasked with writing comprehensive document on what the duties and responsibilities of each of the administrative roles is 19:01  * JMcleod JMcleod, JohannWeiss , Patrick , RLim , Wilson 19:01 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: that we replace Sean Hunt with Johann Weiss to head the committee tasked with writing comprehensive document on what the duties and responsibilities of each of the administrative roles is 19:01 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 19:01 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 19:01 <@JohannWeiss> aye 19:01 <@JMcleod> aye 19:01 <@Wilson> aye 19:01 <@RLim> aye 19:02 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 4 Nays: 0 19:02 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: that we replace Sean Hunt with Johann Weiss to head the committee tasked with writing comprehensive document on what the duties and responsibilities of each of the administrative roles is 19:02 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 19:02 <@JMcleod> Ok then anything else? 19:02 <@JMcleod> http://riclim.com/forum/discussion/11/motion-allowing-local-groups-access-to-our-email-lists#Item_6 19:02 <@RLim> minutes ready now 19:03 <@JMcleod> Anyone have anything to say on minutes? 19:03 <@Wilson> So I guess we should start with what our current problem is: our email system has failed (us for the last time) 19:03 <@JohannWeiss> They look good, approved from me 19:06 <@JMcleod> Alright minutes approved for the 4th 19:06 <@JMcleod> Ok what is up with our email system? 19:06 <@JMcleod> I get emails 19:06 <@Wilson> mass mailout is not working 19:06 <@JohannWeiss> Yeah, it's the mailouts that aren't working 19:06 <@RLim> it gets stuck in scheduled but never goes out 19:07 <@RLim> I've checked drupal settings and cron job is set to every hour. 19:07 <@RLim> So I am thinking it might be on the server part 19:07 <@RLim> maybe someone with shell access could check 19:07 <@JMcleod> Well that would be an IT comm thing no? 19:07 <@RLim> Scott offered to help in Jake's absence but he have the same problem logging in as I do 19:08 <@RLim> I might consider keeping a database offline and use alternative method to do a mailout if our system fail 19:08 <@RLim> any thoughts and concersn about doing that? 19:08 <@JMcleod> TBH im a better programmer than sys admin 19:09 <@RLim> *concerns 19:09 <@Wilson> RLim, since that is more-or-less the spirit of my motion, no objections from me 19:09 <@Patrick> Probably best for IT but from what I see the best way to handle IT things is to give them a direction to work in 19:09 <@Patrick> and let them figure out what needs to be done 19:10 <@JMcleod> The direction here is simple... Make the mailing lists work 19:10 <@Wilson> ...or perish in the attempt :P 19:10 <@JMcleod> true 19:11 <@JMcleod> My only issue with your motion is sharing emails with non-officers 19:12 <@RLim> anyone want to put a motion for IT to get-r-done 19:12 <@RLim> with a deadline 19:12 <@Patrick> Well we could set up a system where people could get access to local emails or have officers handle approval of such things? 19:12 <@JMcleod> IT always misses deadlines... in the real world at least 19:12 <@JohannWeiss> I have an idea 19:13 <@RLim> I rather not do a ultimatum motion was it is concerning that it might be affecting our effort 19:13 <@Patrick> Part of the problem is Jake is the guy getting most of the stuff done but he's been busy 19:13 <@JohannWeiss> Since I'm supposed to be the volunteer coordinator and I don't really have other tasks, why don't I take on the responsiblity of sending out the mailouts (when they're working) 19:13 <@RLim> *an *but it is concerning 19:13 <@Wilson> Since I still have free time I could take charge of sending out local mailouts as needed as per RLim's idea 19:13 <@JohannWeiss> Either of us could 19:14 <@RLim> well I don't think the problem is sending mailout right now. 19:14 <@RLim> James mailout that he have already composed was very quick to setup 19:14 <@JMcleod> If the lists would work, anyone with access could send em out 19:14 <@RLim> but the system fail. And I did not even noticed the Ontario mailout failed as well 19:14 <@JohannWeiss> But are we going to give access to local coordinators? 19:14 <@RLim> I just assume the system works 19:14 <@Wilson> 'If' is the problem. I feel we need a contingency plan 19:15 <@JMcleod> Ok well if someone has a motion for such a plan 19:15 <@Patrick> I think a real priority we need to do is get the forums working again... the existing ones are ones people dont seem to want to use 19:15 <@RLim> And that is a big error IMHO. Who knows if we could have potentially ran a candidate for our by-election if the mailout works and people volunteered 19:15 loha, sorry I'm late team 19:16 <@RLim> but the mailout did not get sent no wonder no one volunteered 19:16 <@JMcleod> Hi Shawn 19:16 <@Patrick> Well the thing is we're fucking up big time... and come 2013 we might get delisted as a party if we cant get enough signatures and such. 19:16 <@RLim> yeah I guess we don't have to give out e-mail to third party 19:16 <@RLim> or local riding 19:16 <@RLim> If all officers could sent one out (which I assume they could right now) then there's really no problem 19:17 <@RLim> but the problem remains on realiability of the system 19:17 <@JohannWeiss> I just want to clear something up: We have two separate issues here, the mailouts not working and the local mailouts being accessible by non-officers 19:17 <@RLim> When do we have to get signature ? 19:17 <@Patrick> Before we do anything what we need to do is figure out how to raise funds to the point where we can actually afford to hire people into positions rather than making them volunteer. 19:17 <@RLim> We should mark that on our calendar 19:17 <@Patrick> I think we gotta start in 2013 19:18 <@JMcleod> Yeah, signatures need to be done in 2013 19:18 <@RLim> so first thing to sort out is how to fix our mailout system and soon 19:18 <@JMcleod> as told by Elaine 19:18 <@shawn> our priorities are going to change by the time the website is in working condition, we're crippled right now an we're slowly becoming uncrippled 19:18 <@Wilson> @Johann: if the first issue is cleared up, for good, the second issue becomes mote 19:18 <@RLim> also we should not miss opportunity liek the free paid for trip for consultation that Election Canada hosted 19:18 <@RLim> *like 19:19 <@RLim> where was that mail sent to? 19:19 <@shawn> yes, we need a new mailsystem that is more accessible 19:19 <@JohannWeiss> Wilson: Does it? I thought it would still have to be an officer to do the mailout? 19:19 <@RLim> Could we have cc'd all officers a copy to avoid overlooking things again 19:19 <@RLim> ? 19:20 <@RLim> Eventually we'll committ error that would be fatal 19:20 <@JMcleod> Well I try to CC executive as often as possible 19:20 <@RLim> What's the plan for the 2013 signatures 19:20 <@Patrick> Well I think getting things working is important... though I guess in order to prevent people spamming local ridings and stuff we could let someone look it over like Johann as the head of volunteer stuff 19:20 <@RLim> ? 19:20 <@RLim> Ok too many issues. Let's narrow it down 19:20 <@JMcleod> step 1: Figure out whats going on with mailing lists 19:21 <@RLim> Mailing system - motion to IT to get it fixed and offer alternative system when our server or system is down 19:21 <@JMcleod> is that a motion or something we have to do 19:21 <@Patrick> Well whats the difference between our CRM mailouts and say executive@ 19:21 <@RLim> Moved that IT find a solution to the mailing system within a week. And offer an alternative system for mailing out if the PPCA server is completely down. 19:21 <@JohannWeiss> I'd like clarification on that too 19:22 <@JohannWeiss> ^ that was to patrick 19:22 <@JMcleod> executive@ is a voluntary adhesion to a list 19:22 <@JMcleod> CRM mailouts allows us to mail all members 19:22 <@JMcleod> that fit mailing conditions 19:22 <@Patrick> Or portions of our members 19:22 <@RLim> JMCleod amendments? 19:23 <@Patrick> Ok... 19:23 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: that IT find a solution to the mailing system within a week. And offer an alternative system for mailing out if the PPCA server is completely down. 19:23 <@RLim> we should add that alternative mailout should be able to exclude those who opt-out 19:23 <@JMcleod> well that should be a given 19:23 <@RLim> we can't afford another oops forgot you already opt-out 19:23 <@Wilson> I could handle doing manual mailouts in Alberta if that would help 19:24 <@RLim> it'll pissed people off and from What James just posted at http://riclim.com/forum/discussion/comment/54#Comment_54 it will be a legal liability also 19:24 <@JMcleod> Ok any discussion on the motion? 19:25 <@Wilson> first part is ok but second sentence is vague 19:25 <@Wilson> "find a solution" 19:25 <@JohannWeiss> Just want to point on that this is a bit of a formality. We shouldn't come down hard on our volunteers if they try and can't get it working in time 19:25 <@RLim> offer a working alternative? 19:25 <@Wilson> yah 19:26 <@JohannWeiss> We should be making this statement though, cause it certainly needs to get done 19:26 <@JMcleod> And soon 19:26 <@RLim> yeah JohannWeiss I am hesitant to be forceful but we need to sort this out 19:26 <@JohannWeiss> vague may be necessary cause we don't want to limit the options they can use 19:26 <@shawn> how do you all feel about spending money to get a really competent guy to finish this all in a weekend? 19:27 <@Wilson> Ahh you want a solution from the IT ok, it makes more sense now 19:27 <@RLim> shawn it will be more of a maintenance issue/ 19:27 <@JMcleod> well Shawn do you have someone you know? 19:27 <@RLim> I thought about letting a service provider handles the maintenance 19:27 <@RLim> which would involve a monthly cost 19:27 <@RLim> but will be more reliable 19:28 <@RLim> so might not be just a weekend thing 19:28 <@RLim> but having someone able to respond rightaway whenever something goes wrong 19:28 <@Wilson> any idea on the monthy cost(ballpark)? 19:29 <@JohannWeiss> Important point now that we're talking about money: we must be vary careful here about how we decide who gets it. We don't want to appear like we are misallocating funds. 19:29 <@JohannWeiss> Common solution is to solicit bids from a few sources and choose the best 19:29 <@Patrick> What we need to do is get someone who knows how to do fundraisers and stuff 19:30 <@JMcleod> Well do we want to talk spending or see if IT can get it fixed 19:30 <@Patrick> If we had a boatload of money coming in we wouldnt need to be so tight that we're doing everything on volunteer labor 19:30 <@JohannWeiss> JMcleod: Both 19:30 <@JohannWeiss> paying someone is the long term solution 19:31 <@JohannWeiss> short term is to get what we currently have working with the tools and people we currently have 19:31 <@JMcleod> if we want to rely in IT, then we should vote on the motion and open a subject on the boards to discuss paying someone. 19:32 <@Patrick> Not to complain or anything but we're getting what we paid for... we got volunteer labor doing stuff for free basically. So basically we come at lowest priority for our volunteers because they have bills and stuff they have to pay 19:33 <@JohannWeiss> Yes, and I totaly understand that 19:33 <@JMcleod> ok lets just vote on the motion and keep the paying someone option opened if its not running by next week 19:33 * JMcleod JMcleod, JohannWeiss , Patrick , RLim , shawn , Wilson 19:33 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: that IT find a solution to the mailing system within a week. And offer an alternative system for mailing out if the PPCA server is completely down. 19:33 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 19:33 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 19:33 <@RLim> aye 19:33 <@Wilson> Aye 19:33 <@JohannWeiss> aye 19:33 <@JMcleod> aye 19:33 <@Patrick> aye 19:34 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 5 Nays: 0 19:34 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: that IT find a solution to the mailing system within a week. And offer an alternative system for mailing out if the PPCA server is completely down. 19:34 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 19:34 <@RLim> http://riclim.com/forum/discussion/12/outsourcing-it-options 19:34 <@RLim> we can slowly post any plans that we see here 19:34 <@JohannWeiss> Good idea, this will take us a while to figure out 19:34 <@RLim> just to see if it is feasible at all 19:35 <@Patrick> Well we'd need someone who ideologically is compatible 19:35 <@JMcleod> http://riclim.com/forum/discussion/13/paying-someone-for-it-stuff 19:36 <@Wilson> So assuming the worse and IT can't fix the problem by next week: Has the BMO issue resolved itself? 19:36 <@RLim> added line about going slowly 19:36 <@JMcleod> n/m ill just use Ric's link 19:36 <@JohannWeiss> Yeah, what's up with the fund? 19:37 <@Patrick> I dont know... I havent heard from Jake 19:37 <@JMcleod> The last message I saw go through was that stuff was forwarded to montreal 19:37 <@Patrick> doesnt Shawn live with him? 19:37 <@shawn> Yes I do 19:37 <@Patrick> any update on the BMO thing? 19:37 <@JMcleod> What about membership cards too? 19:37 <@RLim> Jake is not available for a week and a half as per his e-mail. personal matters 19:37 <@shawn> we work opposite schedules though, He's been involved in a lot of funeral preparations 19:38 <@shawn> membership cards are still in a pile, thats my fault 19:38 <@Patrick> Yeah just wondering if the BMO stuff is over with 19:38 <@Patrick> so we dont have to worry about it anymore 19:38 <@RLim> We won't find out until Jake comes back 19:38 <@JMcleod> Yeah well its unfortunate for Jake so we'll have to bear with it for now 19:39 <@JohannWeiss> Shawn, next weekend or this week, I'll come over and we'll mailout the cards, yes? 19:39 <@JMcleod> Im pretty sure he'd rather have other things to do :) 19:39 <@shawn> if you've ever tried to stick membership cards to envelopes and find addresses in the CRM by yourself you'll understand my plight 19:39 <@shawn> sounds good to me johann 19:39 <@RLim> there must be some label printing feature 19:40 <@shawn> If you can bring a laptop that would be optimal, my computers are broken and you need the CRM on hand 19:40 <@RLim> not sure if crm have it if not we should be able to export the data and do it on other system/program 19:40 <@Patrick> Actually... 19:40 <@JohannWeiss> I can do that 19:40 <@Patrick> have you considered those stupid envelopes that like Revenue Canada sends your tax refunds and stuff in? 19:41 <@Patrick> with the little window on it for addressing 19:41 <@Patrick> if properly formatted you could just fold the letter up and it'll have the address at the top of the letter 19:41 <@Patrick> and visible through that little window 19:42 <@shawn> We've already printed up uncustomized letters some time ago because jake had a problem with the old letters 19:42 <@shawn> or, rather, I had a problem with the old letters and jake had a problem updating them with crm 19:43 <@Patrick> Sounds like you need something equivalent to mail merge... 19:43 <@Patrick> I wonder if open office can do a mail merge from the CRM 19:43 <@shawn> regardless, johann and I will try to get those cards mailed out 19:43 <@shawn> importantly, we need the site to be functioning in all respects including email desperately 19:44 <@Patrick> because regardless what happens if we get swamped and end up with like 5000 members signing up in a few months :D 19:45 <@JMcleod> Well we could build a php script that creates the letters too using the CRM 19:45 <@JMcleod> if need be 19:46 <@shawn> part of the mailout promises a voucher for a 6 month membership once the site is fully functional, so we're going to want to be able to deliver that around the time people get these letters 19:47 <@JMcleod> Yeah thats not a problem and could allow us to update member dates until june 2013 (for the signatures) 19:50 <@JMcleod> http://riclim.com/forum/discussion/14/getting-our-signatures-in-2013#Item_1 19:53 <@JMcleod> alright anything else to discuss? 19:53 * JMcleod JMcleod, JohannWeiss , Patrick , RLim , shawn , Wilson 19:54 <@JohannWeiss> Not from me 19:54 <@Wilson> not on my part 19:54 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn 19:54 * JMcleod JMcleod, JohannWeiss , Patrick , RLim , shawn , Wilson 19:54 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn 19:54 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 19:54 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 19:54 <@JohannWeiss> aye 19:54 <@Patrick> aye 19:54 <@JMcleod> aye 19:55 <@RLim> aye 19:55 <@Wilson> aye 19:56 <@shawn> aye 19:56 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 6 Nays: 0 19:56 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: adjourn 19:56 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor 19:56 <@JMcleod> Alright - dont forget to chat on forums 19:56 <@JMcleod> http://riclim.com/forum/ 19:56 <@shawn> bookmarked 19:56 <@RLim> also sent out e-mail notice if you post any motion 19:57 <@RLim> because new post don't have notification until we bookmark it 19:57 <@JohannWeiss> Good. 19:57 <@JohannWeiss> I'm out, but will continue our discussion there 19:58 <@JMcleod> Emailed exec with motion Wilson made. 19:59 <@JMcleod> But put the wrong end time 19:59 <@JMcleod> oops 19:59 <@Wilson> about the idea of paying for IT. I posted an idea to the forum. Any thoughts on it? 20:01 <@JMcleod> how do we join mailing lists again 20:01 <@RLim> yeah we can explore that possibility 20:01 <@RLim> you have contact with them Wilson 20:01 <@RLim> ? 20:01 <@RLim> which one exec? 20:03 <@RLim> oh another suggestion. Maybe the person who introduced the motion can sent out an e-mail reminder 24 hours before the voting is due 20:03 <@RLim> I'll e-mail today's motion to IT 20:04 <@RLim> JMcleod: we should probably have the isntruction on every mailing-list. How to subscribe and unsubscribe 20:04 <@RLim> although exec and council is pretty much mandatory 20:04 <@JMcleod> To IT's 20:04 <@JMcleod> and council's 20:04 <@JMcleod> And that should be given to Johann for the how-to & responsibilities 20:04 <@JMcleod> so for all lists :) 20:05 <@RLim> I am not at council mailing list 20:05 <@RLim> should I subscribe? 20:06 <@Wilson> RLim, I have contact with one of the leadership and he can probably put me in touch with the rest 20:06 <@RLim> JMcleod: I imagine it will be the the standard syntax 20:06 <@JMcleod> what is the syntax 20:08 <@RLim> itcommittee-subscribe@....? 20:08 <@RLim> hmmm question for IT 20:08 <@RLim> lol 20:08 <@RLim> lists.pirateparty.ca? 20:08 <@RLim> not sure 20:10 <@RLim> hi jhowell 20:10 IT has already made its solution--get the banking in order and fix the damn problem so we can set it up-thanks. 20:11 it irritates me to all end when I see emails like this. when I make proposals and they get voted on, do you forget? 20:11 <@RLim> so you have no access right now? 20:11 ZERO 20:11 I've been sitting on my hands ever since Jake/Patrick realized no one had access to BMO 20:12 <@RLim> can't you access anything on the server? 20:12 The current system is retarded 20:12 <@RLim> It is still up and have not been shutdown 20:12 i'm not doing anything with nuitari's setup as its a complete mess 20:13 <@Patrick> Well if BMO is set up Ric can handle it I think 20:13 <@RLim> ok so what alternative can we work on for mailout? 20:13 <@RLim> if it is setup we should all have access. 20:13 <@RLim> by we I mean everyone at the fund 20:13 I've been waiting for someone to give me the green light on Hetzner being paid---so I can set it up the way I proposed 3 months ago, since Jake decided to go with his own plan, not following the one I brought up here. 20:14 <@JMcleod> Well this BMO thing is what has been slowing us down most this year :S 20:15 Do you need to see my proposal again? 20:15 <@RLim> another point to note for our record to help prevent this happening again. Maybe we need a transition procedure using what we learned from this experience 20:16 <@JMcleod> jhowell: yes, although Jake is busy ill still flood his todo list 20:16 <@RLim> jhowell where does IT normally meets? any forum or is it just on the mailing list 20:17 <@RLim> and hwo do people subscribe to it amiling list or any mailing list again? 20:17 <@JMcleod> Also, jhowell have you been on http://riclim.com/forum/ yet? 20:17 <@RLim> itcommitte-subscribe@lists.pirateparty.ca is my guess but I could be wrong 20:17 <@RLim> *mailing 20:17 <@RLim> I still have your proposal jhowell 20:17 did you get the one from jmcleod? 20:18 it was sent to itcomm 20:18 <@RLim> yeah maybe we need to start a discussion on our forum. although it's not really strictly EB per se 20:18 Right now the committee really only has yourself, Andrew and I. To meet regularly when nothing is going on, is not good 20:19 when we have movement and projects to track, i'd like to start meeting weekly in #canada-itcomm 20:19 but for now, email is fine 20:19 <@JMcleod> Im looking to be on that list too and I dont know how to join ;) 20:19 <@RLim> we could try using the forum that we are currently using for EB 20:20 <@RLim> start a category for IT 20:20 and yes, as far as i know, itcommittee-subscribe@pirateparty.ca 20:20 as executive-subscribe & council-subscribe exist 20:20 <@RLim> ok 20:20 <@JMcleod> we need procedure for Johann since he is now the head of the committee tasked to write up instructions for future admins 20:20 <@RLim> not sure if we've used subdomain of lists 20:20 <@JMcleod> since Sean didnt have time to actually head that committee (which you were on) 20:21 Right--the one Ric/Sean & I were supposed to have happen? 20:21 <@JMcleod> yeah 20:21 <@JMcleod> Johann is now the head 20:27 Ok. I gotta go--Fix the banking, tell me when its fixed and that motion will be carried out ASAP. I'll work on a disaster response plan for mail since its not part of the proposal. re-sent the proposal out via email. If the link does not work, let me now 20:28 <@JMcleod> link doesnt work 20:28 <@JMcleod> post in here :) 20:28 crp 20:29 does this work? 20:29 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/666ey6mxqtcu4hd/X4MA1-jpYg 20:29 PPCA Future State..etc 20:29 <@JMcleod> ok yeah 20:29 ok. ttyl



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