EB 2012-01-30 transcript

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20:38 < JMcleod> Hi there 20:38 not sure; i have access to the crm but no idea how to use it yet. got an email out to Nuitari to see if there's some docs 20:38 hey JMcleod 20:38 < JMcleod> Seems only Sean could not make it yet 20:39 Sean passively sort of approved it, but we need to send it trough the mechanisms 20:40 < Nuitari> keep in mind that there is a risk of alienating some people who paid for membership and also that membership is still our primary source of revenue 20:40 < JMcleod> Yeah but which day, and as Scott says, he doesnt have access yet. So I think it would be safe to assume that it will not be this week. 20:40 < Nuitari> we shouldn't be throwing it around just like that 20:40 i have access, just don't know what i'm doing with it 20:40 I think we should hype it up by making the site blacked out that day, promote via social media, link to petitions and maybe get the ball rolling on anti-ACTA action 20:40 < Nuitari> psema4: wiki.maximumcrm.com, if it hasn't been overrun by spam 20:40 awesome, thx 20:41 < Nuitari> it should be enough to get started a bit, get a feel for the interface 20:41 We have captured a lot of people's attention, getting then on board officially will reap benefits 20:42 < Nuitari> we used to have free membership 20:42 < Nuitari> most of these people were basically dead wood 20:42 < JMcleod> Well first, dont we have to approve something like last week's minutes or something? 20:42 i was a free member initially 20:42 < Nuitari> psema4: right 20:43 < Nuitari> the only thing we heard back from most free members is "take me off your email list" 20:43 < Nuitari> very few did anything 20:43 hmm 20:43 JMcleod: good point, who's chair? 20:43 < Nuitari> some of them (like psema4 I think) waited for the financial stuff to get fixed 20:44 < JMcleod> I'll chair if needed, cant be that hard 20:44 < JMcleod> 1) Approve minutes 20:44 < Nuitari> JMcleod: as VP I think it's you 20:44 < JMcleod> Exactly my thoughts too 20:44 < JMcleod> :) 20:45 * psema4 steps out for 10-15 minutes 20:45 I know a lot of people who would likely join if it were free as a limited time offer 20:46 < JMcleod> So do we have what is needed to approve or do we skip like last week ( I dont have any emails about anything yet ) 20:46 < RLim> I'll try to put everything on wiki tonight 20:46 -!- svulliez [svulliez@ppca-D18EC8E3.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 20:46 < RLim> just came back from my trip last night so a bit disorganized. sorry 20:46 < JMcleod> Ok not a problem. 20:47 < JMcleod> So next point would be the free membership 20:48 < Nuitari> kind of need svulliez for that 20:48 < JMcleod> Personally, I feel it would be better to wait for a political council to be elected. 20:49 < Nuitari> me too 20:49 < Nuitari> but at the end of the day, having one more name in the db isn't helpful 20:49 < Nuitari> for people who just want news from us, there is already a mailing list available 20:49 < JMcleod> Instead of bringing it free members during the vote, where someone could just ask his friends to upvote him. 20:50 < Nuitari> yeah that might skew internal elections 20:50 < Nuitari> happenned in other parties a lot 20:51 < JMcleod> Any opinions on that subject Rick^ 20:52 < RLim> I think it would be nice in a way. Once they sign up maybe there is a sense of belonging to the party 20:53 < Nuitari> let me pull some numbers from the crm 20:54 < Nuitari> 1427 free members 20:54 < JMcleod> 1427 at the moment^ 20:54 < JMcleod> ? 20:54 < Nuitari> yes 20:54 < JMcleod> How many total members? 20:55 < Nuitari> 936 paid members 20:55 < Nuitari> 2117 unique members in total 20:56 < JMcleod> And are the free members all set to renew paid by June 2012? 20:56 < Nuitari> of the 1427 paid members, we managed to upsell 222 (renewal, or contribution / tshirt) 20:56 <~scshunt> oh hey, meeting! 20:56 <~scshunt> I'm available for a little while 20:56 < Nuitari> JMcleod: they are all expired by now 20:56 < Nuitari> brb 20:56 < JMcleod> Oh hey Sean is here 20:56 < RLim> hey 20:56 < RLim> discussing free membership 20:57 <~scshunt> yeah 20:57 <~scshunt> and yeah, Jack chairs in my absence 20:57 <~scshunt> so yeah, does anyone have an issue with the idea of a free membership? 20:57 <~scshunt> *free membership day? 20:58 < RLim> scshunt, any opinion on the free membership offer 20:58 < RLim> ? 20:58 < JMcleod> As said before, my issue is that we need a PC before having that day 20:58 <~scshunt> I heartily support it 20:58 <~scshunt> JMcleod: Why do you say that? 20:58 <~scshunt> ah, ballot stuffing 20:58 < JMcleod> So someone doesnt just invite 1000 friends to upvote him 20:58 <~scshunt> yeah 20:58 <~scshunt> it's a fair concern 20:59 < JMcleod> But past that I'm all for it. 21:00 <~scshunt> that would mean last week of February at the earliest 21:00 <~scshunt> we'd be losing some momentum 21:00 < RLim> yeah and ACTA protest is Feb 11? 21:02 < JMcleod> On the plus side, someone doing ballot stuffing, presuming its 1000 distinct real people he basically invites, is still a potential 100 paying members he brings in the end. 21:04 < JMcleod> Is Scott back yet? 21:04 <~scshunt> psema4: ping? 21:04 < JMcleod> he went afk for 15 mins, just wanna get his thoughts on the subject. 21:05 * psema4 is back 21:05 < JMcleod> there ;) 21:06 the timing's both really good and really bad 21:06 i'm leaning towards the good timing; there's good potential for exposure 21:07 < JMcleod> Yeah I think exposure is more important at the moment than a party leader that *might* stuff ballots. 21:07 <~scshunt> ok, then we're agreed 21:07 <~scshunt> I think 21:07 < JMcleod> Well 21:07 <~scshunt> any suggestions for a specific date? 21:07 <~scshunt> Or do we just want to let Shawn set it? 21:07 I need to hear more from Nuitari regarding the technical parts 21:08 < JMcleod> What if we close leadership position applications the day before we do it. 21:08 <~scshunt> We can't; nominations happen at the GM on the 15th; that can't be changed by us 21:08 < JMcleod> That way at least, whomever is leader would be one who doesnt just come in as an opportunist? 21:08 < JMcleod> Ok 21:09 < JMcleod> Anyways 21:09 < JMcleod> out of 2117 members - we barely get 20 in GM 21:09 < JMcleod> So I think I might be worrying for nothing ;) 21:09 < RLim> good point JMcleod 21:09 <~scshunt> Well the vote happens outside of the GM 21:09 <~scshunt> but the nominations have to be made at the meeting 21:09 < JMcleod> Exactly 21:10 <~scshunt> someone already running could just get nominated, and have their friends vote 21:10 < JMcleod> Yeah but those friends, how likely would they be to stay in the party if their friend is the leader? Its not like the Party as a whole can't overturn a decision by the leader. 21:10 can the executive make this decision without the political board? that would render the problem moot 21:10 <~scshunt> but I don't think that's a serious concern 21:11 <~scshunt> psema4: Which decision? The free membership day? Certainly 21:11 yeah 21:11 <~scshunt> it's an operating matter 21:11 < Nuitari> I thought it was a PR matter 21:11 <~scshunt> The price of membership is an operating matter 21:11 <~scshunt> so varying it for a day is our purview 21:12 < JMcleod> 2secs, gonna check if shawn is on fb or something 21:12 <~scshunt> ok 21:13 < JMcleod> nah its like he just vanished from the Internets! 21:13 <~scshunt> We can delegate the power to set the date, if we're agreed we want to do it quickly 21:14 delegate to who? 21:14 <~scshunt> anyone 21:14 < JMcleod> Thats if we want it pre-GM 21:14 <~scshunt> well, if we want it post-GM too, but if we go post-GM, then we can certainly meet again and decide 21:14 <~scshunt> Nuitari: What's your opinion about the date? 21:15 Feb 11 might be a good day 21:15 < Nuitari> I think it should be set by the PR/leader 21:15 < Nuitari> whichever one we elect 21:15 < Nuitari> I don't think there is any particular rush or need for it 21:15 <~scshunt> Why not? 21:16 < RLim> How do we verify the applicants are real? 21:16 < RLim> If someone just come in and run for leadership 21:16 <~scshunt> RLim: Your job, in theory 21:16 * psema4 gets it. finally. 21:16 < Nuitari> scshunt: actually I think the question is why yes 21:16 < RLim> I mean enw members 21:16 < RLim> *new 21:17 < JMcleod> 1427 free members and 222 (renewal, or contribution / tshirt) 936 paid members 21:17 <~scshunt> Nuitari: Do you dislike the idea altogether, or just see no particular need to do it before elections? 21:17 < Nuitari> scshunt: both actually, we used to have free membership 21:17 <~scshunt> also Nuitari, you said 936 paid members, then 1427 21:18 < Nuitari> 1427 is the number of free members that joined when we had no paypal account 21:18 < JMcleod> out of 936, does it count the renewals from the 222 ? 21:18 <~scshunt> oh ok 21:18 < Nuitari> our of these 222 renewed, contributed or bought a tshirt 21:19 < Nuitari> 936 counts free members that renewed 21:19 < JMcleod> Ok 21:19 < JMcleod> Have we ever tried a 5$ membership fee? 21:19 < Nuitari> no 21:20 < Nuitari> that might be more interesting, 50% off vs free membership 21:20 < Nuitari> the 10$ filters out people who aren't really serious 21:20 < Nuitari> if people want to know what we're up to there is twitter, facebook, the rss feed, the newsletter and so on 21:21 need a mobile app with in-app membership subscriptions 21:21 < Nuitari> and I'd much prefer that we get better (as a party) at using these resources before we give out membership which constitutes a significant chunk of our capability ot raise money 21:21 <~scshunt> That's a fair concern 21:22 < RLim> could someone we never heard of just come in, sign up his friend and run? 21:23 <~scshunt> yes 21:23 <~scshunt> they can do that anyway; that would just make it $10 cheaper 21:23 < Nuitari> over the years we raised 11800$ from membership, 8411$ from contributions 21:23 < JMcleod> I mean, out of all those people shawn has he says are interested, would they be more open to a 5$ membership rather than 10$? Because if they just want to call themselves members and never contribute, in a sense, whats the point? 21:24 < Nuitari> 1760$ from the VPN 21:24 <~scshunt> Publicity 21:24 < RLim> yeah 50% off might be a better option. 21:25 < Nuitari> 710$ from tshirts 21:25 < RLim> prankster are unlikely to pay also 21:25 < Nuitari> scshunt: I'd rather take the membership monies and purchase ad time on the tv 21:25 < JMcleod> Also, 50% off for a month might also be interesting 21:25 <~scshunt> Nuitari: Are we close to affording that? 21:25 < Nuitari> scshunt: depends on the show and the tv station 21:26 < RLim> or we can have a fund raising specifically for buying air time 21:26 < Nuitari> also if we want to do network wide or target specific markets 21:26 < JMcleod> It would allow us to see if people are more opened to 5$ membership rather than 10$ 21:26 Constituion: Membership Bylaw 5.2.1: A member’s right to vote on all matters, including all elections, shall commence after s/he has been a member for 30 days 21:26 <~scshunt> psema4: wrong one 21:26 < Nuitari> psema4: btw the crm/vote system don't validate that 21:26 <~scshunt> they don't need to any more 21:27 < Nuitari> ah ok 21:27 scshunt: wrong one? 21:27 <~scshunt> psema4: https://crm.pirateparty.ca/bylaws 21:27 ah 21:27 < Nuitari> membership is 52% of our revenue 21:28 <~scshunt> we should get a good copy of that up 21:28 < Nuitari> contributions are 36% 21:28 <~scshunt> Okay, so I'm thinking there's no consensus on doing a free day immediately. Do we still want to do the half-off day? 21:28 < JMcleod> half off day or month? 21:28 <~scshunt> I don't want to do a month 21:29 < Nuitari> should it be coupon based? 21:29 < RLim> a week? 21:29 < Nuitari> we could include it on PR / twitter / facebook 21:29 <~scshunt> Nuitari: Hmm... 21:29 <~scshunt> Nuitari: Also, I'm going to suggest this to you and you can think about it as the only PC representative here right now: Should we hold off on the SOPA thing in hopes of being able to save it for domestic matters? 21:29 < JMcleod> (yeah and when do I get admin access to the facebook page and such?) 21:30 <~scshunt> Managing communication isn't really our job 21:30 < JMcleod> ACTA = C-11 ... its pretty domestic 21:30 <~scshunt> JMcleod: No, they're different 21:30 <~scshunt> and we've already signed the treaty 21:30 <~scshunt> We could do better protesting the ratification bill 21:31 < JMcleod> true 21:31 <~scshunt> ... but I don't want to wander too far into politics 21:31 < Nuitari> scshunt: nah, we should push ahead 21:32 < Nuitari> also "anonymous" is organising manifestations, would be good to coordinate with them and email a newsletter about them for people who want to do things 21:33 <~scshunt> Nuitari: So what's your recommendation? 21:33 < JMcleod> Wait up, what do we 1st want to do for that membership thing? Coupons, week at 50%, 1day at 50%? 21:34 < Nuitari> scshunt: write up the press releases once we know the dates and places 21:35 < Nuitari> as for SOPA and C-11, we need to be sure of what we put forward 21:35 <~scshunt> Nuitari: No, I mean for the promotion mechanics and dates 21:35 <~scshunt> We're just the guardians of the cashbox, publicity isn't our job 21:35 < Nuitari> for that, 1 day, 50%, coupon based 21:35 <~scshunt> Why coupon based? 21:36 < JMcleod> I am thinking of that pooor programmer having to write up a coupon for a 1day thing here ;) 21:36 < Nuitari> to see from where people are paying attention the most 21:36 < Nuitari> JMcleod: I think I just have to reenable the form field if it isn't there already 21:36 < RLim> or just put a field for where did you hear about us> 21:36 < JMcleod> oh if its already there. 21:37 < Nuitari> RLim: that got removed at a much earlier meeting 21:37 < Nuitari> true, piwik takes care of that 21:37 <~scshunt> Do we want a specific date, or do we want to delegate power to decide it? If so, to whom should we delegate? 21:37 < Nuitari> whoever is going to be the new leader / head of PR 21:37 < JMcleod> Given our job isnt to manage PR, we should delegate and approve 1 day @ 50% 21:37 < JMcleod> Thats my take on it. 21:37 < Nuitari> if there is some sort of concerted action coming up then that day 21:38 < Nuitari> otherwise it can wait 21:38 <~scshunt> So you recommend waiting for the election? 21:38 < Nuitari> yeah 21:39 <~scshunt> Bah, I have to go get ready for stage. We still have quorum with the three here. Someone make a motion, change it if necessary, and vote :) 21:39 <~scshunt> bye 21:39 < JMcleod> alright cya sean 21:40 < JMcleod> So do we have anyone elected as PR right now? 21:40 < JMcleod> Or anything that goes in that sense 21:40 < RLim> No 21:40 < RLim> there was some committe before and I think Shawn is the PR guy?? 21:41 < Nuitari> if there are manifestations (something serious and concrete) then I'm fine in doing it for that day 21:42 < JMcleod> Ok so we need to know when they take place exactly 21:43 < Nuitari> yeah 21:43 < JMcleod> We still have to keep the party moving forward even with no Leader or PR and ultimately missing the opportunity to promote ourselves will come back against those in place. 21:44 via the ppi mailing list, here's a map of the feb 11 acta protests in europe: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212120558776447282985.0004b7b33e16f13c710c7&msa=0&ll=55.578345,21.005859&spn=24.676908,86.572266 21:44 *ppi general* 21:44 < Nuitari> hopefully there will be something in Canada 21:44 < RLim> maybe have a motion that delegate someone to make the call when there is a concrete action or date 21:44 < Nuitari> JakeDaynes ? 21:45 < RLim> I am fine with that 21:45 < JMcleod> Or Shawn 21:45 Nuitari: forum post contains the organizers email: https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1762.msg10339 21:45 < JMcleod> Since is his ideas 21:45 < RLim> Shawn was in PR team back then. 21:45 < JMcleod> well correction, he brought it to us. 21:45 < RLim> Does not matter to me. Could give it to Jake also 21:46 < Nuitari> we could do a 2 day thing, 10th and 11th, if we have proper PR in place 21:46 < Nuitari> there is supposed to be a protest in montreal on the 10th 21:46 < Nuitari> and 11th would be the intl one, so lots of media coverage maybe 21:47 < RLim> maybe even Shawn and Jake. And make a motion so that they can move rightaway if needed 21:47 < Nuitari> ok 21:47 < Nuitari> but limited to up to 2 day 21:48 < RLim> agree 21:48 < JMcleod> Ok well make a motion and we can vote on it 21:48 < Nuitari> I can't vote... 21:48 < JMcleod> I think Ric, me & Scott can 21:48 < RLim> ok 21:49 < JMcleod> afaik Scott is a member of exec board, unless I missed something that says otherwise 21:49 < RLim> yeah he is 21:49 < JMcleod> And 3 is Quorum 21:49 tbh, i'm not certain - it director was handled outside of the executive elections 21:50 < JMcleod> Well are you IT head? 21:50 yeah 21:50 < RLim> psema4: you can vote. Sean was referring to three of us so there is still quorum 21:50 < JMcleod> There you go, IT head is part of it 21:51 k, checked the constition - looks good 21:51 < JMcleod> So max 2 days - 50% off, delegate date decision to Jake Daynes and Shawn Vulliez 21:52 < JMcleod> Expires day of next GM 21:52 < RLim> in relation to ACTA? 21:52 < JMcleod> Missing anything before formulating a motion? 21:52 < JMcleod> In relation to something ideally 21:52 < JMcleod> but thatd be up to them 21:52 < Nuitari> doesn't have to be specific to ACTA, but in relation to something 21:52 < Nuitari> with proper PR to back it up 21:53 i think we're good for a motion 21:53 < RLim> PR campaign day 21:53 < RLim> what do we call it? 21:53 < RLim> ok 21:53 < JMcleod> Membership special? 21:53 RLim: let PR handle it :) 21:53 < JMcleod> Yeah 21:53 < RLim> psema4: agree 21:54 < JMcleod> Who wants to formulate motion? or shall I do it? 21:55 < RLim> WHoever can do it faster. 21:56 and the Secretary 21:56 woops. 1sec 21:56 < RLim> formulating one. we can always amend it 21:56 crap, paste isn't working.  constition article IV "Officers" - IT director is not listed 21:57 Leader, President, Dep Leader, VP, & Secretary 21:57 < JMcleod> Motion to delegate to Jake Daynes and Shawn Vulliez to choose 2 days to offer a 50% rebate off membership until the day of the next General Meeting. 21:57 Article VI "Executive Board"... 21:57 blah - sorry, never mind. 21:58 < RLim> k 21:58 just realized: chair of standing committee 21:58 < JMcleod> anyone second that motion? 21:59 jMcleod: I second the motion 21:59 < RLim> second 21:59 < JMcleod> Just open vote, Yes or No, starting now. 21:59 < JMcleod> yes 21:59 < RLim> yes 21:59 yes 21:59 < JMcleod> Approved. 21:59 < JMcleod> Now we have to let them know what we just did there ;) 22:00 < RLim> I'll post the transcript 22:00 < RLim> Could I post the minute on Wiki or should I wait until that is approved 22:00 < RLim> ? 22:01 < JMcleod> Umm just mention minutes have not yet been approved :) 22:01 < RLim> ok 22:01 when the transcript, minutes have been prepared, post them to the wiki as per the clerk's quality guide http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/Clerk_Quality_Guide 22:02 < JMcleod> small script it, (minutes pending approval) 22:02 < JMcleod> hehe 22:02 < JMcleod> Anyone have another point they want to bring up? 22:03 < JMcleod> Seems not so I'll go ahead with an update on one 22:04 < JMcleod> Cards for the party. 22:06 < JMcleod> A site http://www.vistaprint.ca allows for custom creation of cards, 250 cards for 25$ or so (10$ for the moment) - This is for the base cards 22:06 < Nuitari> with or without their ads? 22:06 < Nuitari> also I ordered a batch from them for my elections and they feel on the cheap side 22:07 their commercial's on my tv right now 22:07 < JMcleod> I dont recall seeing ads on cards from them 22:07 < JMcleod> However, 10$ is the cheap cards 22:07 < JMcleod> premium cards is 40$ for 250 at reg. price 22:08 < JMcleod> for 100 not 250 sorry 22:08 < Nuitari> would they be with a specific name or just generic ones for the party? 22:08 < RLim> psema4: do I have editing capability for our Executive Board wiki page? 22:08 < JMcleod> Well I went through the creator, and it seemed we could do almost anything 22:09 < JMcleod> (obviously, extras are charged for certain things) - I didnt even have time to go down to the printer company thats on my street corner 22:10 < Nuitari> a local one here has something like 2000 or 3000 cards for 99$ 22:10 < Nuitari> full color on both side 22:10 < JMcleod> The one you gave me? 22:10 RLim: don't think so, gimme a moment 22:10 < JMcleod> Ive yet to call em 22:10 < Nuitari> JMcleod: yeah 22:11 < RLim> http://print.staples.com/category/business-cards.aspx 22:13 < JMcleod> omg that staples site looks like a reseller of vistaprint.ca 22:14 < JMcleod> same terms, same everything, 5$ more for pricing 22:16 Nuitari: I don't appear to have permissions to Special:UserRights on the wiki; my "account does not have permission to assign user rights." 22:17 < JMcleod> Ok so I'll try to look into it more to see the price difference, but what is the main thing we're looking for? Quality or price? 22:18 < RLim> price, as long as it does not look too cheap 22:18 < JMcleod> so best quality/price ratio. 22:19 < Nuitari> yeah 22:19 < Nuitari> psema4: that's odd 22:19 < JMcleod> And since we dont have templates, we might need someone to create some, I can do dummy ones but im no pro at that ;) 22:20 < Nuitari> psema4: try it now 22:20 1sec 22:21 < JMcleod> Any other point? We'll return to cards next week. Its getting late now.ç 22:21 < Nuitari> JMcleod: I have some pdf made by the template 22:21 Nuitari: thanks, that did it 22:21 RLim: you should have permission now 22:22 < RLim> ok got it. thanks 22:22 < JMcleod> can you send em to jackmcleod@pirateqc.ca ? 22:22 < Nuitari> yes 22:22 < JMcleod> or even better get me a pop @pirateparty.ca account ;) 22:23 < Nuitari> good idea 22:23 < Nuitari> what address do you want? 22:23 < JMcleod> like jackmcleod@pirateparty.ca or something depending on naming policy 22:24 < Nuitari> also found an svg 22:26 < JMcleod> alright so if no one else has any other point to add we'll go ahead and call it a night 22:26 JMcleod: not many it policies yet... and the other it director contenders weren't at yesterdays meeting. next meeting is tomorrow night; i'll be bringing it up when they're around 22:27 < JMcleod> alright, well my idea would be fullname@pirateparty.ca 22:28 my preference is for 1st initial + last name, but we'll come up with something. i would like to recommend Enigmail for the executive board though. (Thanks Nuitari!) 22:28 http://enigmail.mozdev.org/home/index.php.html 22:30 < JMcleod> I intend to connect to it via thunderbird, if not possible, forward it to another email of mine ;) 22:30 < JMcleod> So w/e is used, if it at least has a forward, Im good 22:30 I just started using enigmail with my ppca address - works great ( selcomb@pirateparty.ca btw) 22:31 JMcleod: it's a thunderbird plugin :) 22:32 < JMcleod> Oh it looked like a seperate program 22:32 < RLim> Yeah, I like that idea. Any web option? 22:33 There is a webmail, but afaik you won't be able to sign, encrypt or decrypt your mail (so plaintext only) 22:33 < JMcleod> I guess you could always autoforward to a personal webmail, where you delete messages often so incase you get hacked, its not your real email that gets hacked ;) 22:35 Better to have encrypted communications from end to end IMO 22:35 Less chance of leaking, even in the face a breach 22:36 anyway, once the it committee is in gear I'll be looking to implement some policies ;) 22:36 < JMcleod> Yeah but the web idea is so you can access anywhere. If encrypted, you need to have your key with you always ;) 22:37 < RLim> another potential project. SOmething like hushmail 22:37 < Nuitari> psema4: fyi, we use netqmail and vpopmail 22:37 < Nuitari> I'm off, ttyl 22:37 Nuitari: k.  nightz 22:38 < RLim> night Nuitari 22:38 < JMcleod> Alright, since we're talking technerd since 23:25, meeting is over and done since we have no new topics pertaining to exec board. :)

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