GM 2013-03-20 transcript



All log times are in Central Time.

19:17 <@JohannWeiss> I'm going to call this GM to order 19:17 <@JohannWeiss> I will be chairing, our secretary will be taking minutes 19:18 <@JohannWeiss> I didn't hear any response about us having an agenda so I don't think we have one 19:18 <@JohannWeiss> There is one pressing piece of business to attend to, dealing with the Executive Board eletion results 19:19 <+RLim> it's in the e-mail mailout 19:19 <@JohannWeiss> I see 19:19 <@JohannWeiss> One moment 19:21 <@JohannWeiss> So yeah, we do have an agenda 19:21 <@JohannWeiss> RLim: I don't think I got that email. 19:21 <@JohannWeiss> Can you give us the agenda 19:22 <+RLim> Agenda for this meeting includes: * Approval of last meeting's minutes. * Officer's report - including update from The Fund. * Approval of election results for Leader, Deputy Leader and Secretary. * Discuss how to resolve three-way tie for the position of President. * Election Canada Signatures Requirement. * Any new business or member's motion. 19:22 <@JohannWeiss> Okay, item 1, approval of minutes 19:23 <+RLim> can we defer that 19:23 <@JohannWeiss> Yes 19:23 <@JohannWeiss> Any officers reports? 19:23 <+RLim> Did not get a chance to do it because I did not have access to Wiki at that time. Busy preparing the financial report today 19:23 <+RLim> I have report from The Fund 19:24 <@JohannWeiss> (If any member would like to speak or has a question you can just PM me) 19:24 <@JohannWeiss> Go ahead 19:24 <+RLim> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mm4g5gt535dy8ob/2013-03-20%20Cash%20Flow%20Draft.pdf 19:24 <+RLim> that's the latest. Done quick and dirty. The balance matches with bank account and few cents difference with Paypal balance 19:26 <@JohannWeiss> two members are having difficulty access it, being dealt with in riffraff. Does anyone else have any questions about it? 19:27 <+Travis_McCrea> https://dl.dropbox.com/s/mm4g5gt535dy8ob/2013-03-20%20Cash%20Flow%20Draft.pdf?token_hash=AAFCU3w9shkSazWokst3EoOd3CAp675ANR_c7vLO5faYBg&dl=1 for people without JS enabled 19:28 <+RLim> JohannWeiss: #riffraff? 19:28 <@JohannWeiss> canada-riffraff 19:28 <+Travis_McCrea> RLim #canada-riffraff 19:29 <@JohannWeiss> We can move on to other business while that is looked over. There's no motion that must be made regarding it, so if you have any questions about it, just ask 19:29 <@JohannWeiss> Any other officers of the party wish to make a report? 19:31 <@adpaolucci> Update on the new website: We are currently setting up civicrm and everything should be good next week 19:31 <@adpaolucci> If you are willing to help out please email me andrew.paolucci@pirateparty.ca or join #canada-itcomm and talk with me 19:33 <@adpaolucci> that is all, if you'd like to get a more indepth update feel free to either email me or you can also give me a ring 19:34 <@JohannWeiss> Any questions before we move on? 19:34 <+Travis_McCrea> I am going to offer 6 months of free membership to anyone in the channel who submits a form for us to Elections Canada https://pirateparty.ca/helpus go there for the form and address. I am waiting for approval to go onto FB and twitter with the link, but I will share it with you guys in the mean time. 19:35 <@adpaolucci> I am also proud to annouce our Tor relay has reached Guard status and is going strong, https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/F7278433D0ACA982B643AA12733116631B3BC4D9 19:35 * psema4 will brb, switching from mobile client 19:35 <@adpaolucci> *announce 19:35 <+phillipsjk> Has the extra IP block been discussed before? not sure why we need more than a /29 19:36 <@adpaolucci> The price of the IPs is a one time fee... so it doesn't matter at this point 19:37 <+phillipsjk> The spread-sheets says $20/month. 19:38 <+phillipsjk> For personal usage I am going to try to cram *everything* on one IP, then use IPv6 for per-host addressing.. 19:39 <@adpaolucci> phillipsjk: that is for the "extended feature" option you need to have extra IPs 19:39 <+RLim> phillipsjk: it will be $20/month for any extra IP 19:39 <+jlamothe> per IP? 19:39 <+Travis_McCrea> Can we have this convo in #canada-itcomm ? 19:39 <@JohannWeiss> Good point 19:40 <@JohannWeiss> We are moving onto approval of election results 19:40 <@JohannWeiss> Does anyone have the vote count handy? 19:40 <+RLim> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ovtxys6uprxlfhs/resultes1.pdf 19:41 <@adpaolucci> https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/Executive_Board_Election_2013 19:41 <+RLim> and the list of those who voted 19:41 <+RLim> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0v1es08c401tkoj/approval_voters.csv 19:41 <+RLim> both randomize separately 19:42 <@JohannWeiss> Travis McCrea is now President, Jame WIlson is Vice President, and Ric Lim will continue to be Secretary 19:42 <@JohannWeiss> Damnit 19:42 <@JohannWeiss> Misstype 19:42 <+Travis_McCrea> I am not president :) 19:42 <@JohannWeiss> Brain not functioning well enough 19:42 <@JohannWeiss> Travis McCrea is Leader, James Wilson is Deputy Leader, and Ric Lim is continueing as Secretary 19:43 <@JohannWeiss> The vote for President is a three way tie and we must now decide what to do about it 19:44 <@JohannWeiss> The position of President wasn't exactly sought after by any of the three candidates 19:44 <@adpaolucci> Could we hold a vote here in the GM for the position? 19:44 <+JMcleod> Only 1 of the 3 is here I believe. 19:44 <@JohannWeiss> We can't technically have a vote on the position, but we could hold a vote on how to resolve the tie 19:45 <@JohannWeiss> Which could have the same effect 19:46 <+pappasadrian> vote suggestions: ties are resolved at a GM 19:46 <+pappasadrian> and we take it from there 19:46 <+Travis_McCrea> I have said before, that while it should not be a final nail in the coffin for the subject - but because I was testing the voting system while the voting happened, my vote was lost. I had tried to cast my vote for Steve Henderson, but it was lost and I didn't want to cause election issues by reporting the error. However, now that the issue has caused a three way tie, I think it's fair for it to be noted. I don't want 19:46 <+Travis_McCrea> this issue to say "okay well Steve is leader", but just to be noted that had my vote counted he would have been. 19:47 <+RLim> *president 19:48 <@JohannWeiss> There may have been more then one lost votes, so we can't really decide it on that (but yeah, that sucks, we should try to make sure it doesn't happen in the future) 19:48 <+JMcleod> Well is Steve & Nobbs here (i believe the other was Nobbs) 19:48 < Himiko> So Travis are you theoretically suggesting that Steven should have been the president? 19:48 <@JohannWeiss> We have had a motion by adpaolucci 19:48 <@JohannWeiss> Silence for a moment 19:48 <+Travis_McCrea> JohannWeiss yes, but my vote was counted, and my ID number is there 19:48 <@JohannWeiss> Does that have a seconder? 19:49 second 19:49 <+Travis_McCrea> I will second the motion to have another vote 19:49 <+TorontoChris> I second the motion to have another vote too 19:49 the current motion is to resolve the tie here at GM right? 19:50 <+pappasadrian> well 19:50 <+pappasadrian> considering the lost votes 19:50 <+pappasadrian> and the downtime at the time 19:50 <+pappasadrian> i'd suggest we repeat the election 19:50 <@JohannWeiss> Current motion: Ties for EB positions shall be resolved with a simple majority vote at the next GM 19:50 I seconded 19:50 < Himiko> having a tie breaker here would be unfair right? 19:50 <+Travis_McCrea> I don't, there were no reports of lost votes… there is MY lost vote… which has an ID number there it just blanked my votes. trailblazer and myself were testing the voting system right before 19:50 <@JohannWeiss> Discuss/debate this 19:51 we made it one week after the downtime and an e-mail went out 19:51 <+pappasadrian> Travis_McCrea: you just reported your lost vote. how does that not count as a report of a lost vote? 19:52 <+Travis_McCrea> pappasadrian yes, I had a lost vote… but it showed up in the results. It has my ID number in it. 19:52 <+Travis_McCrea> but that doesn't mean there were "multiple" you can see one blanked vote 19:52 <+Travis_McCrea> that was mine 19:52 <+phillipsjk> I never got around to voting, in part because I was not able to review the submissions of the other candidates. 19:52 <+TorontoChris> yeah, resolve the tie here 19:52 <+Travis_McCrea> So yeah, let's resolve the tie here 19:53 <+psema4> fwiw, i'd prefer not to wait another month to resolve eb elections. we have signatures to collect. 19:53 <+JMcleod> (well get more votes here than we got for last election anyways) 19:53 <+JMcleod> What is the current motion? 19:53 <@JohannWeiss> For clarification: This is the first time we've had the Exec vote *outside* a GM. Normally it's a siple nmajority at a GM 19:53 <@JohannWeiss> Ties for EB positions shall be resolved with a simple majority vote at the next GM 19:54 <@JohannWeiss> ^That was to JMcleod 19:54 <+JMcleod> Hi oxpirate 19:54 Sorry I'm late. My connection is terrible right now so I may drop. 19:54 yo 19:54 <+phillipsjk> o/ 19:55 <+JMcleod> move to strike next and replace it with this 19:56 <+Travis_McCrea> we have a motion already that has been seconded 19:56 <+JMcleod> Yes and I want to amend it 19:56 <@JohannWeiss> Secnoder? 19:56 <+RLim> what's the amendment? 19:56 <+JMcleod> to strike next and replace it with this 19:56 <+RLim> nxm 19:56 <+RLim> *nvm 19:57 <@JohannWeiss> Current: "Ties for EB positions shall be resolved with a simple majority vote at the next GM" 19:57 <+RLim> second 19:57 <@JohannWeiss> Amended: "Ties for EB positions shall be resolved with a simple majority vote at the *this* GM" 19:57 <+RLim> *at this 19:57 <@JohannWeiss> Yes 19:57 <@JohannWeiss> Discuss the amenedment 19:58 <+Travis_McCrea> Yeah I would love for it to be solved tonight 19:58 <@JohannWeiss> (try and keep it to the amendment, we will discuss the main motion after) 19:59 <+psema4> perhaps it should be worded "at the first GM following the election" rather than "this GM" 20:00 <+Travis_McCrea> psema4 we will need to address this as a bigger thing in the constitution… this should be a motion for this issue in particular (in my opinion) 20:00 <+JMcleod> well its not a constitutional change, its just pertaining to the last vote so it doesnt really matter 20:01 <+Travis_McCrea> Exactly what JMcleod so we can make a constitutional vote in the future, but first let's just solve this 20:03 <@JohannWeiss> Is there any further discussion before we vote on the amendment? 20:03 <@JohannWeiss> (speak in 60 sec) 20:04 <@JohannWeiss> OKay, we are voting on the amendment to the main motion 20:04 <@JohannWeiss> It will change this: Ties for EB positions shall be resolved with a simple majority vote at the next GM 20:04 <@JohannWeiss> to this: Ties for EB positions shall be resolved with a simple majority vote at the this GM 20:05 <@JohannWeiss> all in favour, say aye, all against, nay 20:05 <+JMcleod> aye 20:05 <+jlamothe> aye 20:05 <+RLim> aye 20:05 <+Travis_McCrea> aye 20:05 <+McGrath> Aye 20:05 <+Wilson> aye 20:05 <+phillipsjk> aye 20:06 <+pappasadrian> aye 20:06 <+TorontoChris> aye 20:07 <@adpaolucci> aye 20:08 <@JohannWeiss> okay, hoping I'm not cutting anyone off 20:08 <@JohannWeiss> The motion passes 20:08 <@JohannWeiss> 10 in favour, 0 against 20:08 <@JohannWeiss> So now we are back to the main motion: Ties for EB positions shall be resolved with a simple majority vote at this GM 20:08 <@JohannWeiss> Any discussion/debate before we vote? 20:10 <+Travis_McCrea> how will the vote be done? 20:10 <+Travis_McCrea> everyone publicly stating their vote? 20:10 <+Travis_McCrea> each private messaging our vote? 20:10 <+JMcleod> I wouldnt mind publicly 20:11 <@JohannWeiss> A simple majority would be a standard vote, so yes, it would be public 20:11 <+JMcleod> we're open right :) 20:11 <+TorontoChris> exactly :) 20:12 <+JMcleod> And if anyone seeks retaliation for not being picked as president when they all (reluctantly) accepted the nomination, it will be funny 20:12 I decline the position. 20:13 * phillipsjk still does not know who he wants to vote for. 20:14 <@JohannWeiss> (so now the vote will simply determine who is Pres and who is VP) 20:15 <+JMcleod> Who are the candidates left 20:15 <@JohannWeiss> Philipsjk and Craig Nobbs 20:15 <+TorontoChris> with only one present :p 20:15 <+RLim> did oxpirate decline the position of president or both? 20:15 both 20:16 <+phillipsjk> Craig Nobbs and James Phillips 20:16 <+JMcleod> He has to decline both now :) 20:16 <+RLim> ok 20:16 <+psema4> abstain 20:18 <@JohannWeiss> So, any discussion on the main motion 20:18 <@JohannWeiss> ? 20:18 <+TorontoChris> to vote now? lets do it 20:18 <+Travis_McCrea> nope let's do it 20:18 <@JohannWeiss> 60 sec to object 20:19 <@JohannWeiss> So we are not voting on the main Motion: Ties for EB positions shall be resolved with a simple majority vote at this GM 20:20 <@JohannWeiss> aye for yes, nay for no 20:20 <@JohannWeiss> go ahead 20:20 <+Travis_McCrea> Aye 20:20 <+JMcleod> aye 20:20 <+TorontoChris> aye 20:20 <+phillipsjk> aye 20:20 <+Wilson> aye 20:20 <+psema4> aye 20:20 <+pappasadrian> aye 20:20 <+RLim> aye 20:20 aye 20:20 <+McGrath> Aye 20:21 <+jlamothe> aye 20:21 <@adpaolucci> aye 20:21 <@JohannWeiss> 12 in favour, 0 against, 0 abstain 20:21 <@JohannWeiss> motion passes 20:22 <@JohannWeiss> Now that that's done, we need to implement the motion and vote on the Pres/VP 20:22 <@JohannWeiss> There's two candidates, so the winner becomes Pres, and the other becomes VP. 20:22 <@JohannWeiss> These are the candidates: Craig Nobbs and James Phillips 20:22 <+JMcleod> I move that we vote on the next president and vice-president between the candidates for the EB election that have not yet renounced to the position of President. 20:23 <+jlamothe> seconded 20:23 <+Travis_McCrea> I think we are just voting now JMcleod 20:23 <+Travis_McCrea> I don't think we need a motion 20:23 <+Travis_McCrea> we just passed the motion 20:23 <@JohannWeiss> Any questions before we vote? 20:23 <+JMcleod> oh he said, we need to implement the motion :) 20:24 <+jlamothe> Well then, I withdraw my second. :P 20:24 <+JMcleod> I thought it meant he wanted one 20:24 <+Travis_McCrea> nope JohannWeiss let's do this thing 20:24 <+Travis_McCrea> let's get our democracy on 20:25 <@JohannWeiss> Type either 'Craig Nobbs' or  'James Phillips' to vote for your candidate of choice (please copy/past so we aren't having a discussion about what you meant if you type somethign different) 20:25 <+TorontoChris> James Phillips 20:25 <+JMcleod> James Phillips 20:25 <+psema4> abstain 20:25 <+jlamothe> abstain 20:25 <@adpaolucci> James Phillips 20:25 <+lcameron> abstain 20:25 <+phillipsjk> James Phillips 20:25 <+McGrath> James Phillips 20:25 <+Wilson> James Phillips 20:25 <+Travis_McCrea> Craig Nobbs (<3 I want him to have a vote) 20:26 <+RLim> James Phillips 20:26 abstain 20:26 <+pappasadrian> abstain 20:28 <@JohannWeiss> so the results are thus: 4 abstain, 7 for James and 1 for Craig 20:28 <@JohannWeiss> James Phillips is not President and Craig Nobbs is VP 20:28 <+pappasadrian> yay 20:28 <+RLim> *now 20:28 <+McGrath> not? 20:28 <+McGrath> heh 20:28 <+RLim> or we would have gone through this for nothing :) 20:29 <+jlamothe> Best typo ever. 20:29 <@JohannWeiss> god damn keyboard 20:29 <@JohannWeiss> James Phillips is *now* President 20:29 <+Travis_McCrea> does that mean he will take over the chair? 20:30 <@JohannWeiss> ... Yes? 20:30 <+JMcleod> Does he want to? 20:30 <+Travis_McCrea> He should, he needs to do it some point 20:30 <+phillipsjk> I had let that same typo slide earlier  :P 20:30 <+Travis_McCrea> what better time than now. Especially since JohannWeiss hates doing it :P 20:30 <@JohannWeiss> True 20:31 <+TorontoChris> yay 20:31 <+pappasadrian> i'll have to leave 20:31 <+pappasadrian> so see you guys later 20:31 <@JohannWeiss> But I'd understand if he isn't ready 20:31 <+RLim> later pappasadrian 20:31 <@JohannWeiss> bye 20:31 <+TorontoChris> I'm leaving, movie time night guys 20:32 <@JohannWeiss> Now we lost quourum 20:32 < CloudQc> im here 20:32 <+phillipsjk> Is there any new business or member motions? 20:32 <@JohannWeiss> Right 20:32 <+CloudQc> my connex just failed me 20:32 <@JohannWeiss> I wansn't counting you yet 20:33 <+Wilson> Have we gone over the signature issue yet? 20:33 <+CloudQc> anyhow, phillipsjk: email Jack.Mcleod@PirateParty.ca when you have a pirateparty email. Ill send you stuff 20:34 <+RLim> including the nuclear launch code? 20:34 <+jlamothe> We have a nuclear launch code? 20:34 <+CloudQc> well... I developped an emotional attachment with it 20:34 <+phillipsjk> Canada is officially not a nuclear power. 20:35 * phillipsjk can neither confirm nor deny receiving the launch codes 20:35 <+psema4> lol 20:36 <@JohannWeiss> Our President is now taking over chair. 20:36 <@JohannWeiss> :) 20:36 <+phillipsjk> If there is nothing else on the agenda, we should end the meeting. 20:36 <+psema4> signatures? 20:37 <+phillipsjk> Oh, right, that is kind of important. 20:37 <+Travis_McCrea> g2g see my Facebook post 20:38 <+RLim> PC and EB can plan what to do on that. 20:38 <+Wilson> So we have the address to send the signatures to so they can be counted (before they go off to EC)? 20:38 <+phillipsjk> So for anybody that does not know, we need something like 300 signatures by JUne to stay a party. 20:38 <+RLim> So are we sending a mailout with that form? Because that will be a lot of forms 20:39 <+jlamothe> phillipsjk: Where do I sign? 20:39 <+RLim> we should make the deadline to mail to us by end of April 20:39 <+RLim> then we should mail to to EC by early May 20:39 <+McGrath> I would like to see an opportunity for members to revise their mailing address on file, before the mailouts start 20:39 <+psema4> ^ 20:40 <+RLim> that would give us time to get more if Election Canada tell us there's shortage 20:40 <+psema4> is there a grace period for such a circumstance? 20:40 <+RLim> so a mailout to members asking them to update their records? 20:40 <+phillipsjk> One difficuly I forsee is that e-mail has not been working either (But I have been told that is being resolved) 20:41 <+McGrath> An email newsletter + web news post asking they log in and update their address 20:41 <@adpaolucci> phillipsjk: email has been working for gmail, yahoo, hotmail, and most mainstream email services 20:41 <+McGrath> followed by ~ one week period for that to happen, then start printing labels 20:41 i organised signatures for .nl 20:41 can i contribute some ideas? 20:41 David van Deijk, eindhoven netherlands 20:42 <+CloudQc> we are always opened to ideas :) 20:42 we had for each region a voluteer to gather them 20:42 and all those volunteers were on a joined mailinglist 20:42 <+RLim> I'll ask EC how long it would take them to verify the signatures. We need to have that margin. Or it will be a shame to get deregistered because we learned we did not have enough valid signatures and the deadline has passed 20:42 and they exchanged ideas how to get more signatures 20:43 and that worked great 20:43 and each person guarded their own list of signatures they collected 20:44 the emailaddresses of those people i mean 20:44 not a central big list with all emails 20:44 so i suggest you offer everybody to be on the gatherers mailinglist 20:44 <+RLim> hmm or we could have membership form and ask if people if they want to be a member. Signup on the spot and then have them complete the EC form also 20:45 and let them run free 20:45 make howto's about membership drives 20:45 and signature gathering 20:45 <+psema4> good opportunity for the volunteers to throw pirate parties too perhaps 20:46 <+McGrath> Just to be clear.. Did we lose quorum? Is the meetin adjourned? 20:46 <+Wilson> still 15 present 20:46 <+McGrath> ah, ok. Disregard me. 20:46 <+phillipsjk> Do we need a specific motion about this? 20:47 <+psema4> don't think so 20:47 <+Wilson> Basically just making everyone aware of it 20:47 <+RLim> I like davidd idea of having local rep 20:48 <+psema4> aye 20:48 <+jlamothe> I've got to go, guys. 20:48 <+RLim> k 20:48 <+RLim> thanks for coming 20:49 <+phillipsjk> Is somebody going to make a motion to adjourn? 20:49 <+CloudQc> move to adjourn 20:49 <+McGrath> second 20:50 <+Wilson> aye 20:50 <@adpaolucci> aye 20:50 <+RLim> our chair will brb 20:50 its not just the local rep 20:50 but the chance to participate 20:50 that really energises people 20:50 <+RLim> ah ok. yeah 20:50 <+phillipsjk> The motion is to adjourn. If you support the motion say 'aye' else say 'nay' 20:51 the people that want to be on the list usually like to help the others 20:51 abstain 20:51 <+Wilson> aye 20:51 <+psema4> abstain 20:51 <@adpaolucci> aye 20:51 <+RLim> aye 20:51 <+McGrath> aye 20:52 <+CloudQc> yae 20:52 <+CloudQc> aye 20:53 <+RLim> davidd: so you just sent a mailout asking who wants to volunteer? 20:53 we also did that 20:53 we set up a webform 20:53 promoted it on the frontpage, 20:53 socialmedia, the works 20:53 <+phillipsjk> 6 votes in favor, 2 abstentions, I believe the motion is defeated due to lack of quorum 20:53 plugged it in the interviews we had on radio and newspapers 20:54 <+McGrath> so, we're stuck in the meeting forever? 20:54 <+RLim> we don't need quorum to adjourn\ 20:54 once you have a critical mass of gatherers its starts to accelerate by itself 20:54 <+RLim> or we have to stay here forever :P 20:54 <+McGrath> Pirate Life <3 20:55 <+phillipsjk> As the chair I vote in favor, ending the meeting.



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