FC 2011-02-24 transcript

20:37 <~MikkelPaulson> I call the meeting to order 20:37 <~MikkelPaulson> first up: Zblewski, any new developments in the international relations scene? 20:38 <~MikkelPaulson> I realize we're waiting on the PPI vote, which should be in Monday night 20:42 <+rintaran> Mike? 20:42 <+svulliez> ... 20:43 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, I guess we'll leave that for the moment 20:43 <+svulliez> On the subject of interpartisan relations... 20:43 <+Zblewski> Well 20:44 <+Zblewski> IR scene 20:44 <+Zblewski> I figure I'll start by commenting on the status of our application 20:44 <+Zblewski> I'm just going over the form, easy enough, if it passes, the application will go straight to Samir Allioui 20:45 <+Zblewski> He was the one who was asking me if we would be sending him the application 20:45 <+Zblewski> Aside from that, nothing to report on PPI application 20:46 <~MikkelPaulson> as far as PPI goes 20:46 <~MikkelPaulson> I can't comment on the vote as it's currently in progress 20:46 <~MikkelPaulson> but based on public response I think it's reasonable to expect that it will pass by a large margin 20:46 <~MikkelPaulson> shall we conduct next week's meeting on Tuesday so that we can respond quickly to the results? 20:47 <+svulliez> I don't object to that. 20:47 <+rintaran> Let me check my schedule. 20:47 <+Zblewski> I don't think that will be nessesary 20:47 <+Zblewski> though if the board wishes 20:48 <+svulliez> I'm passive. 20:48 <+rintaran> I'm good to attend a Tuesday meeting. 20:48 <+rintaran> I assume we would be drafting a release that day? 20:48 <~MikkelPaulson> well it's your domain, Mike 20:49 <+Zblewski> I can simply contact the PPI board and Samir, and that can be that. But if we want, we can sit down Tuesday and whip up a release 20:49 <~MikkelPaulson> we should probably have a release ready in advance 20:49 <~MikkelPaulson> I guess we don't need anything formal 20:49 <+Zblewski> Not really. 20:49 <+Zblewski> Something very short and sweet. 20:50 <+rintaran> It would make for a good front-page release though. 20:50 <~MikkelPaulson> for sure 20:51 <~MikkelPaulson> what about Libya? 20:51 <~MikkelPaulson> I haven't heard anything from the WikiLeaks-cum-Tunisia taskforce on the subject 20:52 <~MikkelPaulson> which surprised me, seeing as we were involved in Egypt despite the lack of prior Pirate Party activity in the country 20:53 <+Zblewski> There was some activity on the boards earlier in the week, but aside from that, it appears to be a hands-off approach on Libya 20:53 <+Zblewski> It's insane. 20:54 <~MikkelPaulson> maybe that's something that we can change as a PPI member 20:55 <+svulliez> ... 20:55 <+rintaran> We'll be late to the table for Libya, but there's plenty of other countries out there that'll hit the topple after the PPI conference. 20:56 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, definitely 20:56 <+rintaran> I think in regards to International Affairs though, we're good at the moment. We need to focus on National Affairs, especially with the likelihood of a toppled government on March 22nd. 20:56 <+Nuitari> Hi 20:57 <+rintaran> Hey Nuitari. 20:57 <~MikkelPaulson> this isn't something for PPCA to get involved in directly, but we can certainly push for PPI to get involved 20:57 <~MikkelPaulson> ultimately it would be nice to prepare in advance some sort of aid package to circumvent internet censorship, like equipment to set up a small-scale wireless mesh 20:57 <+Nuitari> There is also Bahrain and Yemen to be on the lookout too 20:57 <+svulliez> Yeah, this election deal should be on the radar 20:58 <~MikkelPaulson> #1 20:58 <~MikkelPaulson> indeed 20:58 <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: the wikileaks server is also set up to provide vpn connections, which is why I haven't cancelled it yet 20:58 <~MikkelPaulson> ah, okay 20:58 <~MikkelPaulson> any info on usage? 20:59 <+Nuitari> I'd pretty say nada for now 20:59 <+Nuitari> it was supposed to be used by one of the PPI people 20:59 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah 20:59 <~MikkelPaulson> figured 21:00 <+svulliez> This election is a big deal, I think we have to start working on something for it 21:00 <~MikkelPaulson> indeed 21:00 <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: could you please 21:00 <~MikkelPaulson> please please please 21:00 <~MikkelPaulson> please 21:00 <~MikkelPaulson> get membership renewal working? 21:00 <+Nuitari> yes 21:01 <~MikkelPaulson> it's costing us at least $500 a month 21:01 <~MikkelPaulson> in lost membership fees 21:01 <+rintaran> Updating the donor page and having it display when in the forums would be pretty good too. 21:01 <~MikkelPaulson> yes 21:01 <+rintaran> (having the link display) 21:01 <~MikkelPaulson> I've removed the link for the time being as the page itself is outdated 21:02 <+rintaran> Even an outdated page is better than none at all. 21:02 <+svulliez> We need money. 21:03 <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: can you get the info on that page at least updated tonight? 21:03 <+rintaran> Otherwise we may as well take down half the site... 21:03 <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: which url ? 21:03 <~MikkelPaulson> https://crm.pirateparty.ca/donate 21:04 <~MikkelPaulson> you can also set up the PayPal form to allow you to enter a custom amount directly 21:04 <+Nuitari> where do we link this from ? 21:04 <~MikkelPaulson> rintaran added it to the navigation 21:04 <+Nuitari> Ok 21:05 <+rintaran> It's been put "invisible" for the moment. 21:05 <~MikkelPaulson> it would be very nice to have a dedicated link for donation 21:05 <+rintaran> But it places the link right where we need it. 21:05 <~MikkelPaulson> since the current system is quite counterintuitive 21:05 <+rintaran> Only catch is that it doesn't show up when you're looking at the forums. 21:05 <~MikkelPaulson> I can sort that out easily enough 21:05 <~MikkelPaulson> it's just that the header is hard-coded 21:06 <+rintaran> I thought that might be the case. 21:06 <~MikkelPaulson> also, Nuitari: how much work would be involved in setting up a CardDAV server? 21:06 <~MikkelPaulson> if it's less than half an hour, I think we should at least try it out and see how useful it would be 21:07 <+Nuitari> where can I get such a serveR? 21:08 <~MikkelPaulson> I'd imagine there's a package for Gentoo 21:09 <~MikkelPaulson> if it's too much work don't worry about it, our current system (if you can call it that) works in a pinch 21:09 <~MikkelPaulson> right now I just have the business card drafts Mike sent me and load those up when I need an extension number 21:11 <+Nuitari> ok 21:11 <~MikkelPaulson> finally, could you set up blog.pirateparty.ca? 21:11 <~MikkelPaulson> I already have a vhost set up for it 21:12 <~MikkelPaulson> sorry to put all of this stuff on you, but you're the only one who can do it 21:12 <+Nuitari> sure 21:12 <~MikkelPaulson> (that one at least is pretty trivial) 21:13 <~MikkelPaulson> so svulliez: what's the latest in the PR department? 21:14 <+svulliez> I have been seeking out people to join the PR team, and I have received some interest 21:14 <+Nuitari> DNS done 21:14 <~MikkelPaulson> okay thanks 21:15 <+svulliez> I think we'll have a roster of 5 or 10 dedicated folks to help manage the complexities of our image 21:15 <+svulliez> I think it will be a good thing. 21:15 <~MikkelPaulson> not a bad start 21:16 <~MikkelPaulson> of course, it's important to diversify beyond just talking to the media 21:16 <~MikkelPaulson> although getting a snappy response to that is always important 21:17 <+rintaran> Have there been any responses to the French PR notice? 21:17 <+svulliez> I've found a good narrator, but the casting call is still open. I'd like to keep the portfolio diverse, if possible. I'll send you guys what I get out of him when we start to create the videos. 21:17 <+svulliez> None as of yet, but I do have some promising leads 21:18 <+svulliez> I know a fair amount of french speaking locals, some of which are pirates 21:18 <+rintaran> Good, good. Have you been finding the postings useful? Anything that should be tweaked? 21:18 <+svulliez> some of which I have invited to the PR team. 21:18 <+svulliez> I think they have been useful, I got an immediate response for the voice over position 21:19 <+svulliez> Currently I see no reason to change it 21:19 <+rintaran> Alright. I added Regional Protest Organizers to the postings, you may want to update your forum post to include it. 21:19 <~MikkelPaulson> we need someone bilingual to redo the phone system recordings 21:20 <+svulliez> Awesome, I'll do that. 21:20 <+rintaran> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/Regional_Protest_Organizers 21:20 <+svulliez> As for the country wide protest... I've tossed up an impromptu poll in that thread as to what our focus should be 21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> I noticed 21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> I don't like it 21:20 <+svulliez> https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=865.0 21:20 <+svulliez> You don't like the poll? 21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> whenever we have a rally, it should be "we're really unhappy about this and want to do something about it", not "let's find something to be unhappy about so we can get our 5 minutes in the spotlight 21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> " 21:21 <+Zblewski> It's not about pandering to populism 21:21 <+svulliez> I see 21:22 <+Zblewski> We need to show we can pick our own battles 21:22 <+svulliez> I'm sorry.I think I may have missed something, can someone PM me a copy+paste? 21:22 <~MikkelPaulson> of what? 21:23 <+svulliez> The chatlogs. What just happened. I was disconnected. 21:23 <~MikkelPaulson> I don't think there's been anything said that you haven't responded to 21:24 <+svulliez> MikkelPaulson, what is it about the thread that you don't like? 21:24 <~MikkelPaulson> it's overtly saying "let's get worked up about something. any suggestions for what?" 21:24 <+svulliez> Do you feel we're pandering to populism by throwing up that poll? Or-? 21:24 <+Zblewski> "(9:21:07 PM) MikkelPaulson: whenever we have a rally, it should be "we're really unhappy about this and want to do something about it", not "let's find something to be unhappy about so we can get our 5 minutes in the spotlight" 21:25 <+svulliez> there has been some debate about what we should be protesting. 21:25 <+svulliez> I think coordination is reasonable, and it's a reasonable question to ask. 21:26 <~MikkelPaulson> if there's debate about what we should be protesting, chances are we shouldn't be protesting 21:26 <+svulliez> That's ridiculous 21:26 <+Zblewski> No, it isn't 21:26 <+svulliez> We live in a world full of tons of horrible awful things 21:26 <+Zblewski> And we're a party with a focus 21:26 <+svulliez> many of which directly apply to our cause, our vision, and our demographics 21:27 <+svulliez> We have to make conscious, educated choices about what we do, and that includes asking the members what they think 21:27 <+svulliez> A protest is an effective way to make a point, and we have a lot of points 21:28 <+Zblewski> So, choose one. We can't water down our rallies. 21:28 <+Zblewski> By looking indecisive about wht we feel stongly about 21:28 <+Zblewski> or by overdoing rallies. 21:28 <+svulliez> I feel confident choosing one. I'm not saying we should have multi-issue confusing rallies. 21:28 <+Nuitari> [ Results for search key : carddav ] 21:28 <+Nuitari> [ Applications found : 0 ] 21:29 <+svulliez> Asking people what they think is a basic democratic process that is going to help us know where to focus 21:29 <+svulliez> you guys are unbelievable sometimes. I don't want to drag down this meeting. 21:29 <~MikkelPaulson> we're an issue-based party, not a catchall party like the Conservatives or Liberals 21:29 <~MikkelPaulson> that means that we already have things that we're concerned about and people with similar concerns come to us 21:30 <+svulliez> But we just spent 40 minutes talking about things that should have been dealt with via private message. 21:30 <+svulliez> The pace of these meetings is horrifyingly slow, it doesn't help things get done 21:30 <+svulliez> I want to get things done. 21:30 <+svulliez> A country wide rally is something seriously worth pursing. 21:31 <+svulliez> I don't want to argue about whether or not we should think hard before we act 21:31 <~MikkelPaulson> that's the reason we have these meetings 21:31 <+svulliez> because obviously, we should have crowd input. 21:31 <~MikkelPaulson> because we want to ensure that the entire council is on the page 21:31 <~MikkelPaulson> and it's pretty clear to me that in this regard we're not 21:32 <+svulliez> write me a letter, and tell me. We have an hour and half a week to do this, and have discussions. 21:33 <+svulliez> The slow process of pretending like we're having a regular meeting makes this impossible to bear sometimes 21:33 <+Nuitari> We do have a lot of battles to pick from 21:33 <+svulliez> ^ 21:33 <+Nuitari> and I'm surprised to see that the killswitch and middle east solidarity came out way ahead of c-32 21:33 <+svulliez> To be fair,only 8 voters 21:34 <+svulliez> thus far 21:34 <+Nuitari> out of 15 21:34 <+svulliez> We need our userbase to tell us what battle matters most to them. Because they all matter to me. I am willing to go to the streets for any issue 21:34 <+svulliez> I don't want to use that poll to determine the actions we take, but it's a decent guideline 21:35 <~MikkelPaulson> svulliez: this is part of what you signed up for, deal with it 21:35 <+Nuitari> and killswitch might also be so high because of the Egypt and Lybia situations with the Internet 21:36 <+svulliez> it's a really interesting topic 21:36 <+svulliez> it fits with solidarity, it could be a great rally 21:36 <+svulliez> teach people about wireless mesh networks, ham radio packets, etc. 21:37 <~MikkelPaulson> sorry Zblewski 21:37 <+svulliez> It's an interesting idea. We wouldn't have had that idea if it weren't for Steve pushing for it in the forums 21:37 <+Zblewski> And that's fine 21:37 <+Zblewski> What I'm trying to say is 21:37 <+Zblewski> if the people are discussing it on the forums, great 21:38 <+Zblewski> but you should be the one making the call on the topic of the rallies, it's a logistics issue 21:39 <+svulliez> I will be making the call. 21:40 <+svulliez> I was looking for input, and i got it. 21:40 <+svulliez> Thread: success 21:41 <+svulliez> I'm not trying to divide the council. This is a non-issue. 21:41 <~MikkelPaulson> actually, it's an important issue because the council is divided 21:41 <~MikkelPaulson> that's exactly what the meetings are for: to deal with this sort of issue 21:42 <+Nuitari> actually that's what the mailing list is for 21:42 <+rintaran> But they really shouldn't be about choosing an online retailer, setting up the donations page, and non-decision tech talk. 21:42 <+svulliez> How about- plan what we are going to do Re:Impending election 21:42 <+svulliez> That's a hot ticket there. 21:43 <+Nuitari> I'd rather move to the election too 21:43 <~MikkelPaulson> okay 21:43 <+Zblewski> Sure. 21:43 <~MikkelPaulson> I'd like to wrap up the rally discussion first, though 21:43 <~MikkelPaulson> shall we take a vote on whether to proceed with it? 21:44 <+svulliez> Proceed with...? 21:44 <+svulliez> a rally? 21:44 <~MikkelPaulson> yes 21:44 <+svulliez> I don't have any specifics planned right now. I need to talk to my PR team once it is assembled. 21:45 <+svulliez> we can vote on whether or not to hold rallies in general, but I can't give you a time / date to vote on yet. 21:45 <~MikkelPaulson> that's not an issue, of course we will 21:45 <+svulliez> We were considering a March 6 UBB rally, but I think we'd be better off piggybacking on openmedia 21:45 <~MikkelPaulson> that's central to our purpose as a political party 21:45 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, that's fine 21:46 <~MikkelPaulson> let's just leave it there 21:46 <~MikkelPaulson> please keep us in the loop 21:46 <+svulliez> Absolutely. 21:46 <+Zblewski> Election. 21:46 <+svulliez> yes. 21:46 <+svulliez> I think we can influence this election 21:46 <+Nuitari> yeah 21:46 <+Zblewski> Obviously Mikkel knows what he is doing, and if Jeff is ready, we now his performance will be something like the last. 21:47 <~MikkelPaulson> UBB could have beet a biggie, but as all of the parties have already come out in opposition, it'll be all but off the radar now 21:47 <~MikkelPaulson> but we could piggyback on that to raise the issue of CRTC reform 21:47 <~MikkelPaulson> say, listen, the government repeatedly has to overrule the CRTC when it makes decisions against the interest of the Canadian public 21:48 <~MikkelPaulson> something is broken 21:48 <+svulliez> I agree, that's an interesting place to go with your campaigns. 21:48 <+svulliez> Do we know who is ready to run? 21:48 <+Nuitari> is there a specific party we should help prop? 21:48 <~MikkelPaulson> on the books right now we just have Craig and I 21:48 <~MikkelPaulson> I also emailed a letter of endorsement to Jeff anticipating that he'll want to run again 21:49 <~MikkelPaulson> I don't think we should support any party, but we can go riding-by-riding and support individual candidates 21:49 <+rintaran> Isn't someone up to be elected as candidate? 21:49 <~MikkelPaulson> Charlie Angus, for instance 21:49 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, Travis as well 21:49 <~MikkelPaulson> he's up on March 19th unless the writ drops first 21:49 <+Zblewski> I'm going to call Travis and Craig 21:49 <+Nuitari> is there any ndp candidate that lost out by 150 votes or less? 21:49 <+Zblewski> I want to see how each is ready 21:50 <+Zblewski> Idunno 21:50 <+rintaran> The Budget vote is slated for the 22nd, so he'll be up first. 21:50 <+Zblewski> but Sudbury's NDP MP won on something close 21:50 <+Zblewski> I think it's a liberal target riding 21:51 <~MikkelPaulson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/41st_Canadian_federal_election#Target_seats 21:51 <+Zblewski> Yeah, 4.3% 21:51 <+Zblewski> And generally, the Northern Ontario NDP caucus, which includes Charlie Angus, is tight knit 21:52 <~MikkelPaulson> Angus aside, any ideas who we should support? 21:52 <~MikkelPaulson> might be a good question for research 21:53 <+Zblewski> Yeah, I'll look into it 21:53 <+Zblewski> There's a few that likely could use support 21:53 <+svulliez> I think we ought to set up a website 21:53 <+svulliez> Try to push the idea that in the 2011 election, internet policy matters 21:53 <+Nuitari> actually we'd need to know who our members are more likely to vote for if we can't be in their riding 21:54 <~MikkelPaulson> well it's not just who necessarily needs support, endorsing the candidates who we feel best represent our ideals regardless of whether they're a shoe-in or not 21:54 <~MikkelPaulson> that's part of appearing to be active in the political scene 21:54 <+svulliez> It would be awesome to get together a list of candidates with notably good or bad information policy 21:54 <~MikkelPaulson> indeed 21:54 <~MikkelPaulson> list of people to vote for and people to avoid 21:54 <+Zblewski> *coughJAmesMoore* 21:55 <+svulliez> yes. for example. 21:55 <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: good point 21:55 <~MikkelPaulson> any progress on the survey? 21:56 <+Nuitari> we already have a survey engine 21:56 <+Nuitari> we just need a survey 21:56 <~MikkelPaulson> sorry, the question was directed to rintaran and svulliez 21:56 <~MikkelPaulson> but good to know that we're technically set up for it 21:57 <+svulliez> Oh awesome, I regrettably have no progress on that survey, but I will put it as a high priority 21:57 <+rintaran> I have 13 questions laid out on my mobile. Only had very limited computer access this past week while I was up north. 21:57 <~MikkelPaulson> good to hear 21:57 <~MikkelPaulson> you wanted me to put together a few political spectrum questions, yeah? 21:58 <+Nuitari> the engine supports arcs based on multiple choice answers 21:59 <~MikkelPaulson> a good question would be "if there's no Pirate Party candidate in your riding, who would you be most likely to support?" 22:00 <+rintaran> Well, I can have the demographics questions typed up later on tonight. Who should I send them to? 22:00 <+svulliez> I want to get back to something, this website idea. to influence the election 22:00 <+rintaran> Well, better make it tmw at this rate. 22:00 <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: are you penning the final survey? 22:01 <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: I believe rintaran and svulliez were planning to put it together 22:02 <+svulliez> internetmatters.ca - "This election the internet matters to voters..." 22:03 <+svulliez> list of people with good policy and bad policies, little pictures 22:03 <+svulliez> including our candidates 22:03 <~MikkelPaulson> I like it 22:03 <+svulliez> all the way at the bottom 22:03 <+svulliez> service provided by the canadian pirate party 22:04 <~MikkelPaulson> good idea to put it on a separate domain 22:04 <+rintaran> Top Ridings & names should be PPCA folk? 22:04 <+rintaran> I think it'd be better to rotate the first few back & forth... 22:04 <+rintaran> Less obviously PPCA material. 22:05 <+svulliez> I think we shouldn't give PPCA any special treatment 22:05 <+svulliez> objectively, we will have the best internet policy 22:05 <+svulliez> and that will stand out on it's own 22:05 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah 22:05 <~MikkelPaulson> needs a little byline with our name 22:06 <~MikkelPaulson> but otherwise it ought to speak for itself 22:06 <+Zblewski> Information Leadership. 22:06 <+Zblewski> I still use this line. 22:06 <+Nuitari> internetmatters.ca <-- should I register it? 22:06 <~MikkelPaulson> sure 22:06 <+svulliez> might be a good title to use in the long run, too. 22:06 <+svulliez> The internet matters. 22:07 <+svulliez> we believe that. 22:07 <+svulliez> also, our party deals with matters concerning the internet 22:08 <~MikkelPaulson> we still need a good slogan 22:08 <~MikkelPaulson> honestly I haven't been happy with any of the suggestions thus far 22:10 <+svulliez> Do we have the money to hire someone to design and build a really nice internetmatters.ca 22:10 <+svulliez> even a pittance 22:10 <+svulliez> a symbolic amount 22:10 <~MikkelPaulson> not really 22:10 <+svulliez> Hmm. I will try to pull some strings. I don't want to put too much load on poor Nuitari 22:11 <~MikkelPaulson> he's not a web designer anyway 22:11 <+rintaran> Just don't use Publisher. It's only capable of 1999-style web design. 22:11 <~MikkelPaulson> haha 22:11 <~MikkelPaulson> no, anyone who uses a WYSIWYG editor should be immediately disqualified 22:11 <+rintaran> Oh, and the coding looks worse 22:13 <+svulliez> Oh by the way- what is the council consensus on the focus of our 30 second ads? 22:14 <~MikkelPaulson> the focus? our platform? 22:15 <+svulliez> just a 30 second rundown of our platform points? 22:15 <~MikkelPaulson> no, I think we should pick one point 22:16 <~MikkelPaulson> we need to crunch the format of our about page (what's broken, how do we fix it) down into 30 seconds 22:16 <~MikkelPaulson> not a short order for one point, let alone four or five 22:16 <+Nuitari> inline with internetmatters 22:17 <+Nuitari> we should dig up numbers on how much the economy grew with it 22:17 <~MikkelPaulson> more research committee 22:17 <+svulliez> The research committee is just me and trailblazer11 right now 22:17 <+svulliez> you're all welcome to join, we need help 22:18 <+svulliez> particularly as PR is a monolithic task as it is 22:18 <~MikkelPaulson> indeed 22:18 <+Nuitari> I'm sure some economist already published something about it 22:18 <~MikkelPaulson> ideally your job would be mainly supervision and spokesman 22:18 <~MikkelPaulson> I know it'll be a while, but the closer you can get the individual branches to autonomy the better 22:19 <+svulliez> hopefully. I have some people I'd be really excited to get on board 22:19 <~MikkelPaulson> designate one person to act as head of the research committee, for instance 22:20 <~MikkelPaulson> it's not practical to try to chair (and work on) all of the committees at once 22:21 <+svulliez> Yup. 22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> we also need to prepare a resource kit for our candidates 22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> campaign site template 22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> flyers and brochures 22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> Zblewski: think it's still practical to order some campaign signs? 22:23 <+Zblewski> Yes. 22:23 <+Zblewski> I have come up with someone in Greater Sudbury, I'm sure they can do it 22:24 <+Zblewski> It's just a matter of which route we're going with them 22:24 <+Nuitari> well 22:24 <~MikkelPaulson> get blanks and put name stickers on? 22:24 <~MikkelPaulson> good for last-minute candidates 22:25 <~MikkelPaulson> I was thinking we could get something like this for our candidates 22:25 <~MikkelPaulson> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830180347 22:25 <~MikkelPaulson> run a responsive campaign like Jeff did 22:25 <~MikkelPaulson> he got more YouTube channel views than all of the other candidates combined 22:26 <+svulliez> Very good plan. The way Jeff ran his campaign was very much the way we should be doing it 22:26 <+svulliez> we should be bringing tech and connectivity into the picture as much as possible. 22:26 <~MikkelPaulson> demonstrate its potential in enhancing democracy 22:27 <+rintaran> The weakness was that he listened too long, and never made decisions. That's something that we need to avoid. 22:27 <~MikkelPaulson> and at the same time show up our competitors with their predominate lack of understanding in that regard 22:27 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah 22:27 <~MikkelPaulson> he spent his entire campaign talking about how he was listening 22:27 <~MikkelPaulson> when he should've listened for the first half and spoken for his constituents the second half 22:28 <+svulliez> No complaints though, great candidate. 22:28 <~MikkelPaulson> absolutely 22:28 <+Zblewski> Indeed. 22:28 <~MikkelPaulson> we were lucky to have him 22:28 <+Zblewski> I'm more concerned 22:28 <+Zblewski> about how ready Craig is 22:28 <~MikkelPaulson> I wish he'd been able to be more involved in the party since 22:29 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, I haven't heard a peep from him 22:29 <+Zblewski> Craig has mostly silent for the longest time, and I wonder what his level of commitment is 22:29 <+svulliez> He has told me he intends to win. 22:29 <+svulliez> I'm within bussing distance of him, I should arrange a meeting. 22:29 <~MikkelPaulson> that's quite easy to say... 22:30 <+svulliez> No doubt. 22:30 <+Zblewski> And Travis needs schooling on the division of powers in Canada, as it is evident he's unsure about what powers federal government has. 22:30 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah 22:30 <~MikkelPaulson> unless he gets his act together there I can't in good conscience support his candidacy 22:31 <~MikkelPaulson> he has next to no platform and little understanding of the Canadian political system 22:31 <~MikkelPaulson> he'd be a better campaign manager for someone else's campaign IMO 22:31 <+svulliez> He's been settling into Vancouver, he is working and living in a hostel I think 22:31 <+Nuitari> I think we should guide him though it all before the next meeting 22:31 <~MikkelPaulson> definitely 22:31 <+svulliez> He hasn't been making it down to meetings around here 22:32 <+svulliez> I think he might just be settling in,you know. It's tough to move. 22:32 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah 22:32 <~MikkelPaulson> understandable 22:32 <+svulliez> But yeah, we should just bring him up to speed, I'm sure he's not incapable of understanding these things 22:32 <~MikkelPaulson> no, he's got plenty of hands-on political experience 22:32 <~MikkelPaulson> which would be a great asset 22:33 <+svulliez> He's also very dedicated, he's an ally. 22:33 <+Zblewski> Right you are 22:33 <~MikkelPaulson> well let's arrange a meeting with him sometime in the next week 22:33 <+svulliez> If he doesn't get it together for this election, him and I will help a lot with Craig's. 22:33 <~MikkelPaulson> maybe we could get him working on Craig's campaign if his own candidacy falls through 22:33 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah 22:34 <+svulliez> He could get the experience he needs to be a contender later on. 22:34 <+Zblewski> Like I said, I'll be calling both 22:34 <+svulliez> Wonderful. 22:35 <~MikkelPaulson> anything else to mention regarding election readiness 22:35 <~MikkelPaulson> oh yeah, Nuitari: we need to get going on the NPO elections, do we not? 22:35 <+svulliez> I think we need to get research assembled and on the task of ranking candidates information policy, finding bad ones particularly 22:35 <~MikkelPaulson> for sure 22:36 <+Nuitari> yeah 22:36 <~MikkelPaulson> until we can get a pro design together, we can at least do a quick Wordpress template 22:36 <+svulliez> Good plan. 22:36 <+Nuitari> basically for the npo 22:36 <+Nuitari> I learned a few things last week 22:36 <+svulliez> I'll see if my designer buddy is availABLE. 22:37 <+Nuitari> we do need to replace 2 directors as they have long left the party 22:37 <+Nuitari> the replacements are not excluded from being candidates, unless either of them is a registered agent 22:39 <+Nuitari> ideally we'd be looking for people that are good at raising money or administration tasks 22:41 <~MikkelPaulson> just put out a public call? 22:42 <+Nuitari> I'd rather go with people we know 22:42 <~MikkelPaulson> do they need to be elected or can we appoint? 22:42 <+rintaran> So, you're looking for new people to have on the official Non-profit organization papers associated with the PPCA? 22:43 <+Nuitari> council has to vote 22:43 <~MikkelPaulson> okay 22:43 <~MikkelPaulson> but we don't have to call another election? 22:43 <+Nuitari> no 22:44 <~MikkelPaulson> good to hear 22:46 <~MikkelPaulson> well, any suggestions? 22:46 <~MikkelPaulson> I think Travis would be a good choice 22:46 <+Zblewski> He has NGO experience 22:50 <~MikkelPaulson> canvassing as well 22:50 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, let's continue that discussion via email 22:50 <~MikkelPaulson> any other business? 22:50 <+Nuitari> not from me 22:50 <+Zblewski> Nope 22:51 <+rintaran> We need a select committee board setup for the Pirate ISP research team. 22:51 <+rintaran> Should get Yehoshua to lead it. He can recruit to the group. Let them come up with the facts. 22:51 <~MikkelPaulson> should probably move to strike that at the March General Meeting 22:52 <~MikkelPaulson> the Federal Council doesn't often set up committees 22:52 <~MikkelPaulson> when we do so, we usually end up with zero members 22:53 <+rintaran> Alright, I guess it can go on that agenda then. 22:53 <~MikkelPaulson> you have access right? 22:53 <~MikkelPaulson> to edit the agenda 22:53 <+rintaran> Yeah, I should be able to get it on there. 22:54 <+svulliez> I know of a vancouver person looking to start a pirate isp type thing too. don't know how serious he is, but I'll see if he's onboard to work with yehoshua 22:54 <+svulliez> it would be cool if it was somewhat feasible to simultaniously start a few tiny isps at once 22:56 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah 22:56 <+Nuitari> the big problem with it is that wireless spectrum is heavily regulated 22:56 <~MikkelPaulson> I really think it's a fantastic idea, just not one that's necessarily compatible with a political party 22:58 <+rintaran> I think that making movements to oppenly oppose members idea without solid research one way or another is detrimental to the party. 22:58 <+svulliez> truth 22:58 <+svulliez> I want to see where it goes, but I am willing to accept it may go nowhere 22:58 <+Nuitari> I don't think it's incompatible if we're smart about how we do the details 22:58 <~MikkelPaulson> likewise 22:58 <+svulliez> hopefully we can provide some people with the resources so they can start a pirate isp at the very least 22:58 <~MikkelPaulson> I don't have a problem with proceeding with the research 22:59 <~MikkelPaulson> if nothing else, maybe it'll inspire someone to start a spinoff 22:59 <+Nuitari> do the feasability research first then we'll see how we can proceed 23:01 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, well we can certainly speak our piece at the meeting, anyway 23:01 <~MikkelPaulson> no point in hashing it out here as we're not the ones pushing for its adoption 23:01 <~MikkelPaulson> anything else? 23:02 <+rintaran> Nope. Let's blow this pop stand so some actual work can get done. 23:02 <+Nuitari> PR on the UBB harddrive? 23:03 <+svulliez> did you get the file MikkelPaulson? 23:04 <+svulliez> i added the logo and text to mik's video 23:05 <~MikkelPaulson> where? 23:06 <+svulliez> Its in my dropbox. I think it was a PM i sent 23:06 <+svulliez> one sec 23:07 <+svulliez> Hm, I wonder if I just forgot to send the message... or if it didn't go through or something 23:07 <+svulliez> I had this done a while ago. 23:08 <+svulliez> either way, it's brutally ineffective 23:08 <+svulliez> I am sorry 23:08 <~MikkelPaulson> no prob 23:09 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, shall we call it a night? 23:10 <+svulliez> ok! 23:10 <+Nuitari> ok 23:10 <~MikkelPaulson> hearing no objections, meeting adjourned

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