EB 2012-11-04 transcript



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[19:34:35] JMcleod O [19:34:35] JMcleod R [19:34:35] JMcleod D [19:34:35] JMcleod E [19:34:35] JMcleod R [19:34:35] JMcleod ======== [19:35:01] <@JMcleod> Are we alone Wilson? [19:35:07] <@JMcleod> CCitizen - jhowell [19:36:17] It would appear so. May be the time change *shrug* [19:37:58] <@JMcleod> so shall we wait till 7:45 then? [19:38:15] There is no motion currently on the floor [19:38:46] yah. I'll send a text [19:43:20] I got Steve and Sean but that doesn't help the EB any. Ric won't be here, I know that. [19:46:53] <@JMcleod> Ok then, might as well adjourn [19:46:55] There is no motion currently on the floor [19:47:00] <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn [19:47:05] JMcleod [~JMcleod@24.200.zyy.upl] has set mode +ooo CCitizen jhowell Wilson [19:47:07] JMcleod CCitizen, jhowell , JMcleod , Wilson [19:47:07] <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn [19:47:07] <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion [19:47:07] <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' [19:47:10] <@JMcleod> aye [19:48:52] <@Wilson> aye [19:49:51] oxpirate [~yaaic@209.91.rxt.lnu] has joined #canada-meetings [19:50:03] howdy [19:50:05] <@Wilson> yo [19:50:26] <@JMcleod> Ayes: 2 Nays: 0 [19:50:26] <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: adjourn [19:50:26] <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor [19:50:35] <@CCitizen> Hi [19:51:08] <@JMcleod> Hey Patrick ,we were only 2 (now 3) and we just adjourned - still dont have quorum but we can still discuss in forum [19:51:36] <@JMcleod> http://riclim.com/forum/discussion/10/merchandise-for-extra-income#Item_1 [19:51:41] <@CCitizen> Ok [19:51:53] <@JMcleod> it was the only thing we had today + rules for the forum [19:51:56] <@Wilson> I'd really like to get the forum passed so these quorum issues aren't such a problem [19:52:04] JohannWeiss [~Owner@64.180.qg.rwj] has joined #canada-meetings [19:52:12] Sorry I'm late, lost track of time [19:52:20] <@JMcleod> well we are 4 now so we could do it [19:52:50] <@CCitizen> Yeah... [19:53:01] <@JMcleod> we had just adjourned due to lack of quorum but we can still meet now that we have quorum [19:53:16] <@CCitizen> also wasnt us going to purple and using the international logo so we could get bulk discount rates with PPI [19:53:25] Does anyone have business that needs to be dealt with? [19:53:36] CCitizen: Yes, that was the idea [19:53:49] <@JMcleod> We need to have rules for forum motions so we dont have to worry about quorum [19:53:53] <@JMcleod> and this: http://riclim.com/forum/discussion/10/merchandise-for-extra-income#Item_1 [19:54:42] <@CCitizen> Well I think at the moment we do stuff on the forum then just rubber stamp it in a meeting? [19:55:16] <@Wilson> What did either of you think of my full set of forum rules? [19:56:06] <@JMcleod> I thought the role of the chair was a bit unclear, but I couldnt find anything better/clearer [19:56:11] <@JMcleod> the rest I was fine with [19:57:06] <@CCitizen> Well to be fair RONR basically says if you have less than 5 people why are you using them :P [19:58:13] I like 'em [19:58:24] link? [19:58:42] riclim.com/forum/discussion/3/rules-for-forum-meetings [19:59:01] It's the first reply [19:59:45] Those look ready to be formally passed, so unless one of you has an objection, I'd say we bring it as a motion [20:00:31] <@CCitizen> Sounds good [20:00:48] looks good to me [20:01:24] <@Wilson> So the motion is basically Ric's original motion + "These are the rules we will use" etc [20:01:25] Wait, I do have a question about it [20:01:28] <@Wilson> k [20:02:00] The bit about amendments and what to do in case of a tie. [20:02:06] <@Wilson> ah [20:02:25] It sounds like the amendment trumps the original motion in case of tie. [20:02:34] Am I interpreting that correctly? [20:02:40] <@Wilson> Yes [20:03:03] Is there a particular reason for this? [20:03:20] I don't have a better suggestion, but is it based on some precedent? [20:03:20] <@JMcleod> If its not a win, its not passed. [20:03:45] wait, ignore me [20:03:48] that makes sense now [20:03:54] <@CCitizen> Tie goes to the status quo :P [20:04:31] <@Wilson> @cc thats if the tie is yes/no to passing a motion [20:05:01] <@JMcleod> CCitizen & JohannWeiss : Do any of you have a copy of the text the constitution committee was working on? [20:05:30] Yes [20:05:37] in case of a tie, the motion is defeated [20:05:53] <@CCitizen> Yeah [20:06:27] The text is in a piratepad, I'll email you the relevant bits [20:06:40] <@CCitizen> http://constitution.piratepad.ca:9000/ [20:07:15] <@CCitizen> or we could make the pads public [20:07:18] <@CCitizen> like http://constitution.piratepad.ca:9000/3 [20:07:27] <@CCitizen> which has all the reading and commenting on the current constitution [20:07:40] ...right [20:08:17] I put the close to completion bits in one pad http://constitution.piratepad.ca/7 [20:08:36] <@CCitizen> Personally that is probably one of the more useful pads of the committee [20:08:49] <@CCitizen> it has all the ideas and discussion and suggestions [20:09:07] <@JMcleod> Because everytime I reread it, no matter what I wrote before, I just keep adding and adding so I figure I might as well rewrite it with what was worked on before too and then we can run a diff on the original ;) [20:09:37] It's basically adding a Definitions section and a Disciplinary section. The rest of the discussion was still very general [20:09:56] <@CCitizen> Well everyone went over everything and made their comments and such [20:13:15] oxpirate2 [~yaaic@209.91.rxt.lnu] has joined #canada-meetings [20:13:46] <@JMcleod> ok back to forum rules, any motion for that? [20:15:36] oxpirate [~yaaic@209.91.rxt.lnu] has quit IRC: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:15:38] Wilson: wanna move your rules? [20:17:25] <@Wilson> just a sec [20:18:37] <@Wilson> I motion that we use a temporally-distributed meeting setup to complement our irc meeting. The system would work like a real-time meeting but in the form of a forum or similar system. It will allow member to participate at their own phase. A discussion or motion could be initiated by any authorized member of the meeting. The following rules will be used: Civility: [20:18:37] <@Wilson> Executive Board members are expected to maintain composure at all times on this forum. What they are to avoid includes, but is not limited to: personal attacks, racism, sexism, Necro-posting, and/or off-topic conversation on motions. [20:18:37] <@Wilson> Role of the Chair: [20:18:37] <@Wilson> The role of the chair on this forum is to facilitate discussion and maintain order. By default the chair of the Executive Board also chairs discussions on this forum. The chair will monitor all discussions on this forum and seek, through personal communication or other means, to keep discussions on topic and maintaining proper civility. The chair will see that forum rules are followed. [20:18:37] <@Wilson> The chair will also inform Executive Board members when a motion passes. [20:18:37] <@Wilson> Motions: [20:18:37] <@Wilson> Proposed motions are able to be voted on for 5 days from when the motion is first posted. A majority of the Executive Board must vote in the affirmative to the motion for it to pass. Any two members may request a motion be delayed to the next scheduled meeting. If a meeting falls with the 5 day period a motion may be considered then. The full text of the motion will be written in bold [20:18:38] <@Wilson> type. [20:18:38] <@Wilson> Motions posted must have a visual cue (loud speaker icon) that they are indeed motions. If said visual cue is not included the post will not be considered a motion until either the original poster or later commenter adds it. Voting period begins from when speaker icon is added. [20:18:39] <@Wilson> Amendments: [20:18:39] <@Wilson> Amendments must be posted in reply to the motion they are amending. They must be in bold type and include the motion as it would look fully amended. [20:18:40] <@Wilson> Amendments must also include a unique identifying number of not less than one and not more than two digits. This serves to identify the amendment. [20:18:40] <@Wilson> Voting in General: [20:18:41] <@Wilson> When a vote is cast no extra text is allowed to accompany the vote in the same post. The voter will indicate a vote for/against the main motion by posting "Main Aye" or "Main Nay". If there are amendments the voter will indicate "Amendment # Aye" or "Amendment # Nay". Capitalization in votes do not matter. A voting post that includes text other than votes runs the risk of being overlooked [20:18:41] <@Wilson> and as such should be avoided. [20:18:42] <@Wilson> When voting an Executive Board member may cast [a] a vote for the main motion and [b] a vote for each proposed amendment. A motion (amended or otherwise) that has a number of Aye votes equal to at least 50%+1 of the entire Executive Board is considered passed. The chair shall so declare. A motion that at the end of the voting period has 50%+1 support of votes cast is considered passed [20:18:42] <@Wilson> (provided at least a quorum of the Executive Board voted). The chair shall so declare. [20:18:43] <@Wilson> In the event that a motion and amendment to said motion are tied in votes (but both have enough support to pass) the main motion is passed and the amendment is immediately passed as well. [20:18:43] <@Wilson> In the event two amendments are tied in votes (but both have enough support to pass) the amendment that received enough support first passes. The amendment that received enough support second does not pass as the motion it is amending has been altered. [20:19:01] <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: Wilson's motion [20:19:26] JMcleod [~JMcleod@24.200.zyy.upl] has set mode +o JohannWeiss [20:19:32] JMcleod [~JMcleod@24.200.zyy.upl] has set mode -o jhowell [20:19:40] JMcleod CCitizen, JMcleod , JohannWeiss , Wilson [20:19:40] <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: Wilson's motion [20:19:40] <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion [20:19:40] <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' [20:19:50] <@JohannWeiss> aye [20:20:03] <@Wilson> aye [20:20:07] <@JMcleod> aye [20:21:14] <@CCitizen> aye [20:21:16] <@JMcleod> Ayes: 4 Nays: 0 [20:21:16] <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: Wilson's motion [20:21:16] <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor [20:21:44] <@JMcleod> Ok so we can get things done async [20:22:52] <@Wilson> Ric suggested we find places for making t-shirts for the PPCA. Shall we make that homework for next time? [20:23:12] <@JohannWeiss> Yeah [20:23:26] <@JMcleod> Well if we could find a printing company with decent fees, thatd be great [20:23:46] <@JohannWeiss> What is the status of our finances and book keeping? [20:24:55] <@CCitizen> Personally [20:25:15] <@CCitizen> we should probably have some sort of contest open to the public for some T-Shirt graphics [20:25:53] <@Wilson> A while back the PC suggested having a design poll on Facebook [20:26:06] <@Wilson> ...for the ones we'd go with [20:28:38] <@JohannWeiss> Sounds like not a bad plan, but remixgov should be priority. Maybe initiate the design work using the participants of remixgov once we have them? [20:28:43] <@JMcleod> Well we should have at least 1 basic format and contests could add more [20:29:18] <@JohannWeiss> In the mean time I think it would be worth it to get the basic logo on our colour for a shirt and hat of some kind [20:29:43] <@JohannWeiss> If we can get in touch with PPI we may be able to make a bulk order from/through them. [20:30:09] <@Wilson> oh. before I forget. Does anyone know how to use the email system? [20:31:32] <@JMcleod> How so? [20:31:34] <@JohannWeiss> nope [20:31:49] <@JMcleod> I dont really know, but last I checked I was blocked by permissions [20:31:58] <@JMcleod> Thats supposedly fixed now [20:32:04] <@JMcleod> but I didnt check since then [20:32:51] <@Wilson> The Edmonton group is having a meeting next Saturday (details on forum). It would be nice if we could inform the Edmonton members [20:33:16] <@Wilson> I guess emailing Ric would be the best option? [20:36:11] <@JMcleod> Yup, usually secretary deals with mailings anyways [20:37:37] <@Wilson> kk I'll get on that [20:40:17] <@JohannWeiss> Alright, well not seeing much activity. [20:40:38] <@JohannWeiss> Do we want to end the meeting and any further motions can be brought to the forum? [20:41:09] <@Wilson> Yah since we now have that system. I motion we adjourn. [20:41:48] <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn [20:41:51] JMcleod CCitizen, JMcleod , JohannWeiss , Wilson [20:41:51] <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn [20:41:51] <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion [20:41:51] <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' [20:42:01] <@Wilson> Aye [20:42:17] <@JMcleod> aye\ [20:43:00] <@JohannWeiss> aye [20:43:35] <@JMcleod> Ayes: 3 Nays: 0 [20:43:35] <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: adjourn [20:43:35] <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor



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