FC 2011-07-21 transcript

[21:01] <@MikeBleskie> Okay. Want me to start? [21:01] <~MikkelPaulson> turnout on Tuesday ... well, it could've been worse [21:01] <@Rintaran_> Sounds good to me. [21:02] <@MikeBleskie> Unless Mikkel wants to recap the meeting... Sorry, but I just started my new job this week. [21:02] <@MikeBleskie> I wish I could've gotten there [21:02] <~MikkelPaulson> nothing really happened [21:02] <~MikkelPaulson> just tabled my report, then Sean talked about clerks [21:03] <@MikeBleskie> Fair enough. [21:03]  Hi [21:03] <@Rintaran_> Hey Stephane. [21:03]  tuesday? [21:03] <@Rintaran_> Looks like we have all the Federal Council members that are currently on the continent with us today. :) [21:03] <@Rintaran_> Tuesday was the monthly general meeting... [21:03] <~MikkelPaulson> general meeting [21:04]  we really need to start having a better newsletter about it :/ [21:04] <~MikkelPaulson> Mike? [21:05] <@MikeBleskie> We got an email today from JF Frenette of the Online Party. They apparently want a copy of our website design, and went through BradT to do so. [21:05] <~MikkelPaulson> it's NC-BY-SA [21:05] <~MikkelPaulson> the OPC is commercial IMO [21:06] <~MikkelPaulson> especially if they're not planning to become a party [21:06] <@Rintaran_> Why do they want our website design? [21:07] <@MikeBleskie> They are looking to set up an international, like PPI [21:07] <@MikeBleskie> Called E2D ("Electronic Direct Democracy") [21:08] <~MikkelPaulson> shouldn't that be ED2? [21:09] <@MikeBleskie> They can name it whatever they want, they didn't say if there were any /international/ groups even involved [21:09] <@Rintaran_> Well... Once they establish as non-profit, I'd be happy to pass it over provided they follow the NC-BY-SA guideline. [21:09] <@MikeBleskie> Point is, they have made the request. Should we reply asking them to defend a noncommercial status? [21:09] <@Rintaran_> Until they do so, they're for-profit, even if they don't currently make one. [21:10] <~MikkelPaulson> also I don't think CC has any provisions requiring that it be open-source [21:10] <@Rintaran_> Though I suppose BradT, as he owns all licensing and is thus able to choose to waive it if he pleases can go around. It's not PPCA property so... [21:11] <@MikeBleskie> ^ [21:11] <@MikeBleskie> I'll see if I can reach Jean-francois or Michael over the weekend. [21:12] <~MikkelPaulson> which means he can provide them with the source if he wants us to, doesn't compel us to hand it over [21:12] <~MikkelPaulson> just going on the letter of the law here, not how we should necessarily react [21:13] <@Rintaran_> Personally, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of giving the Online Party our exact site workings. It seems like it could be used in a way to mislead people. [21:14] <~MikkelPaulson> likewise [21:15] <@Rintaran_> Anyhow, I suppose that sounds more or less resolved. [21:15] <~MikkelPaulson> however, as a professional WordPress dev, I can tell you that it would take very little work to duplicate the frontend from the publicly-available bits [21:16] <~MikkelPaulson> speaking of FOSS, though [21:16] <~MikkelPaulson> Stenobot is now officially open-sourced [21:16] <~MikkelPaulson> github.com/piratepartyca [21:16]  as I said before, CC is a mistake [21:16]  this is exactly what I wanted to avoid [21:18] <@Rintaran_> Not much we can do about it now I'm afraid. The decision was before my time. [21:20] <@Rintaran_> Anyhow, shall we move on to another topic? [21:20] <~MikkelPaulson> let's do so [21:20] <@Rintaran_> Oh, apparently Sean want to speak on this topic. Any objections? [21:21]  no [21:22] <@Rintaran_> You should have voice now Sean. [21:22] <+scshunt> Ok, thanks [21:22] <+scshunt> Long story short: CC can't be a mistake because we advocate abolition of non- commercial copyright [21:22] <+scshunt> unless we stop advocating that [21:23] <+scshunt> but we do have the defense of trademark [21:23] <+scshunt> if a website looks too similar to ours, it could be trademark infringing [21:24] <~MikkelPaulson> not unless we file for trademark, which I don't think we ever got to [21:24] <@Rintaran_> Have we registered our trademark? [21:24] <@MikeBleskie> Considering that it is a political group, true [21:24] <@MikeBleskie> No, the process got lost in election fever [21:24] <+scshunt> You don't need to register a trademark to use it [21:24] <+scshunt> it just helps [21:24] <@Nuitari> I'm not that sure it would apply for a political website [21:25] <+scshunt> But we certainly shouldn't take the stance that CC-BY-NC is ever incorrect [21:25] <@MikeBleskie> We've yet to tag anything as unrigistered trademarked [21:25] <@MikeBleskie> *unregistered [21:25] <~MikkelPaulson> I've actually been pushing for CC0 [21:25] <@MikeBleskie> [TM] for unregistered, (R) for registered [21:26] <+scshunt> CC0? [21:27] <+scshunt> Also canadian trademark law doesn't require an explicit claim of the mark [21:27] <~MikkelPaulson> public domain dedication [21:28] <+scshunt> We should stop using 'public domain' as a term with reference to works in which rights still persist [21:28] <+scshunt> including moral rights [21:29] <~MikkelPaulson> it's a matter of principal [21:29] <~MikkelPaulson> more than legality [21:29] <+scshunt> yes, but I mean that the term is confusing [21:29] <+scshunt> I would never ask anyone to waive moral rights [21:30] <~MikkelPaulson> it is [21:30] <~MikkelPaulson> anyway, CC0 includes a clause to allow any use where copyright can't be revoked [21:30] <+scshunt> and tbh, I don't really like the idea that moral rights ever expire [21:31] <+scshunt> but I digress [21:32] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed [21:32] <@Rintaran_> That tangeant aside, we're still pretty much resolved that the Online Party needs to demonstrate how it's going to use the side non-commercially to abide by the CC licensing? [21:32] <~MikkelPaulson> shall we move on? [21:32] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [21:33] <@Rintaran_> Alright, so next on the agenda... [21:34] <@Rintaran_> What about this Aaron Swartze / JSTOR issue? [21:36] <@Nuitari> what's that about ? [21:36] <@Rintaran_> Swartze was arrested and charged for overusing JSTOR, a journalist archive schools and some libraries get special access to. [21:37] <@Rintaran_> Recently, one of his supporters released 18,592 articles from JSTOR on TPB. [21:38] <@Rintaran_> General idea is that information is meant to be free, the authors of the academic articles aren't paid, nor are the reviewers, so the charging for the information brings money solely to the private publisher. [21:38] <@Nuitari> yeah, same as with riaa/mpaa [21:39] <@Rintaran_> So, the question is, should we develop a press release and is there anything we can do beyond a press release on this issue? [21:39] <~MikkelPaulson> yes, no [21:40] <@MikeBleskie> ^ [21:40] <~MikkelPaulson> well, I've considered the feasibility of starting a free academic journal in the past [21:41] <~MikkelPaulson> but I concluded that, while it's aa good idea, I don't have anywhere near the connections needed to pull it off [21:41] <@Rintaran_> Without the backing of an academic institution, it's pretty much infeasible. [21:41] <@Rintaran_> Not to mention the sponsorship/advertising necessities to offset costs. [21:42] <~MikkelPaulson> digital distribution [21:42] <~MikkelPaulson> nobody uses the hard copies anymore [21:43] <@MikeBleskie> I didn't [21:43] <~MikkelPaulson> anyway, like I said, nit practical [21:43] <~MikkelPaulson> *not [21:43] <@MikeBleskie> Indeed [21:44] <@Rintaran_> So, we write a press release related to the issue and send it out to the media outlets. [21:44] <@MikeBleskie> Mhm [21:45] <@MikeBleskie> Just don't post it on Reddit [21:45] <@Rintaran_> I can type one up tmw morning. Everyone can have a chance to look at it in piratepad and recommend adjustments, and then we release Saturday? [21:45] <@Rintaran_> Why not on Reddit? [21:45] <@MikeBleskie> Sure thing [21:45] <~MikkelPaulson> okay [21:46] <@MikeBleskie> Aaron Swartze was fired from Reddit for reasons I don't care about and there's a rocky relationship there [21:47] <@Rintaran_> Regardless, I don't have the media contact addresses. I believe only Bleskie and Vulliez have those. [21:48] <@Rintaran_> So, if you're good with sending out the distribution of it Saturday morning Bleskie, I think we can actually have a timely release... [21:48] <@MikeBleskie> Sure thinger [21:49] <@Rintaran_> Great. I'll write up before noon tmw. Everyone have a look for edits in the afternoon, and Bleskie will distribute Saturday. :) [21:50] <@Rintaran_> Anyone have a next topic? [21:51] <@MikeBleskie> Not me. [21:52] <~MikkelPaulson> I have something for Nuitari [21:52] <~MikkelPaulson> let's organize regular meetings in Montreal [21:53] <~MikkelPaulson> even if it's just the two of us meeting for beers once a month, hey, that's fun too [21:53] <@Nuitari> yeah [21:53] <@Nuitari> I could use a few beers [21:53] <~MikkelPaulson> haha, likewise [21:53] <~MikkelPaulson> especially when it's hot like this [21:54] <@Rintaran_> Stephane, you got my e-mail re: JayP right? He's really eager, so if there's something beneficial you'd like to put him to work on, please do. :) [21:54] <~MikkelPaulson> also met a couple of party members just in the course of my work [21:54] <@Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: that's really nice [21:54] <@Nuitari> Rintaran_: yeah I will [21:55] <@Rintaran_> Awesome. If nothing comes up, let me know and I'll come up with some smaller projects that I think could be beneficial. [21:56] <@Nuitari> alright, email me those that you have in mind [21:56] <@Rintaran_> Well, it's more along the lines of wiki-cleanup type stuff. You know how I've been with getting that thing into a usable format. [21:57] <@Rintaran_> Not nearly as useful as just about anything you could require help with, hence why I directed the e-mail to you. :) [21:57] <~MikkelPaulson> man, at least the spam accounts are gone now [21:58] <@Rintaran_> There's been a lot of updates over the past few weeks. [21:59] <@Rintaran_> But anyhow, that's a matter for outside of council. [21:59] <@Rintaran_> Are there any other Federal Council matters to attend to? [22:02] <@Nuitari> I've sent the report to the auditor [22:02] <@Nuitari> also Shawn Vulliez keeps wanting to turn off the vpn ? [22:02] <@Rintaran_> We discussed that last week I believe, and we all disagreed. [22:03] <@MikeBleskie> Indeed [22:03] <@Nuitari> good [22:04] <@Rintaran_> It'll have to be revisited one-year after it was put into effect to evaluate its usefulness and cost-vs-revenue, but for now it's quite safe. I'm also fairly certain it'll do well when we re-examine it in a year. [22:05] <@Nuitari> alright [22:05] <@Rintaran_> That only makes fiscal and political sense. :) [22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed [22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> so ready to adjourn? [22:07] <@Rintaran_> I have no objection. Bleskie? Nuitari? [22:08] <@MikeBleskie> No objection [22:10] <@Rintaran_> Well, given the three minutes of silence, sounds like no objection from Nuitari either. [22:10] <@Rintaran_> Meeting Adjourned. :)

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