GM 2013-02-20 transcript



All times are in Central Time

19:26 <@JohannWeiss> Quorum 19:26 <@JohannWeiss> ! 19:27 <@JohannWeiss> I call this meeting to order 19:27 <@JohannWeiss> I will be chairing, Ric Lim will be taking minutes 19:27 <@JohannWeiss> Any idle conversation should happen in #canada-riffraff 19:27 <@JohannWeiss> PM me if you wish to speak or have any questions 19:28 <@JohannWeiss> I posted the agenda earlier, but here's a recap: Approve Minutes, Unfinished Business, Officers reports, Approval of PC                     election results, nominate Executive Board Candidates, then open for member motions 19:29 <@JohannWeiss> RLim, care to post a link to the minutes? 19:29 <+JMcleod> you could voice the ops too :) 19:29 <+JMcleod> Minutes are down 19:29 <@JohannWeiss> Right 19:29 <@JohannWeiss> Damnit 19:29 <@JohannWeiss> Well we can approve them at the next GM if need be 19:30 <@JohannWeiss> Would any officers or Committee heads wish to make a report? 19:30 <+JMcleod> I've been pretty much away, but we should talk about the purchases we approved last EB meeting 19:31 <@RLim> yes 19:31 <+JMcleod> But I forget the names of what we gave the OK to, only remember the amounts lol 19:32 <@RLim> I've posted the link to my report on our forum. anyone have the link to dropbox? 19:32 <@JohannWeiss> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7byq7pllkf47evl/2013-02-19%20Cash%20Flow%20Draft.pdf 19:33 <@JohannWeiss> That links to a pdf which is a report from The Fund on our financial transactions for this year 19:33 <+CCitizen> OVH Server Hosting and iRedAdmin Pro(Email Control panel) 19:33 <@JohannWeiss> ^ That was what we approved in the last EB meetings 19:34 <@RLim> yes that purchase is form last night. So we started the move to our new server 19:34 <@JohannWeiss> It should help with our server problems (down time, etc) 19:34 <@JohannWeiss> Are there any questions about either of those? 19:36 <@JohannWeiss> I will take that as a no. 19:36 <@JohannWeiss> Are there any further reports? 19:36 <+pappasadrian> *sorry, i have a question on the previous report 19:36 <@JohannWeiss> Go ahead 19:37 <+pappasadrian> which hosting plan did we get from ovh 19:37 <+pappasadrian> ? 19:37 <@JohannWeiss> I'm just checking to see if I've got logs of the meeting 19:38 <@RLim> sp2 19:39 <@JohannWeiss> Thanks Ric. 19:39 <@JohannWeiss> Is that enough detail? 19:39 <+pappasadrian> okay thanks 19:39 <+pappasadrian> https://www.ovh.com/ca/en/dedicated-servers/ 19:39 <+pappasadrian> well, according to this 19:39 <+pappasadrian> it costs 89 per month 19:40 <+pappasadrian> 1068 per year 19:40 <+pappasadrian> why $1,196.16 on the report? 19:40 <@RLim> plus 12% tax 19:40 <+pappasadrian> /facepalm 19:40 <+pappasadrian> okay, sorry 19:40 <@RLim> yeah we forgot about that also when we initially approve the amount 19:41 <@RLim> so no worries 19:41 <@JohannWeiss> Any more questions? 19:41 <+darknyan> Why do we need such a powerful server? 19:41 <+pappasadrian> that'd be my second question, too 19:41 <+darknyan> Seems like a massive waste of money. 19:42 < CraigNobbs> I'm back. sorry for the delay 19:42 <@RLim> we will be running various servers on it. 19:42 <+pappasadrian> for the record Intel E3 - 1245v2I4 / 8I3.4 GHz / 3.8 GHzI32 GB I2x 2TB SATA3 19:42 <+TravisMcCrea> There is no reason we need a dedi instead of a VM 19:42 <@RLim> vpn, mailserver, encrypteverything and other future projects 19:42 <+darknyan> That could all be run under cheaper server irregardless. 19:42 <@RLim> wish adpaolucci here 19:43 <+psema4> The dedicated lets us host multiple vm's, effectively and efficiently 19:43 <+pappasadrian> will it be running a mailserver? if so, why iredmail? 19:43 <+JMcleod> We actually pay more now than we will pay with that. Just saying. 19:43 <+darknyan> We provide VPS? 19:43 <@RLim> yeah current problem when one go down everything go down 19:43 <@RLim> thanks JMcleod 19:43 <+JMcleod> Also, currently everything keeps going down, we cant keep going like that. 19:43 <@JohannWeiss> And our severs going down has been a massive problem 19:43 <@RLim> iweb before was 166.88 per month as you can see on our statement 19:44 <@RLim> we are setting up different vm for each service including future service like piratemail for members 19:44 <+JMcleod> There was also talk about us taking on piratemail since everyone comes in and complains about it on here. If that actually happens, we'll be ready 19:44 <+darknyan> Are non-profits authorized to request resources? Specifically I'm starting a Tech collective. 19:44 <+pappasadrian> anyway, as long as the it committee thinks it will be put to good use 19:45 <+pappasadrian> i dont have a problem 19:45 <+JMcleod> I still cant answer as to why iRedMail-Pro, but I was alone to vote against it. 19:45 <+pappasadrian> but still, 4TB and 32GB is an overkill, in my books 19:45 <@RLim> it was deemed that other mail admin panel are paid. So $599 is not that expensive for lifetime 19:45 <+JMcleod> However, it is a lifetime liscense and apparently it makes it much easier to manage mails and mailing lists. 19:46 <@RLim> make it easier to manage since our curent mail is blackholing to who knows where 19:46 <@RLim> very weird 19:46 <+darknyan> There is no such thing as lifetime license. Eventually it's going to go inactive. 19:46 <+psema4> ^ 19:46 <+psema4> there's no substitute to knowing and managing your own mailserver 19:46 <+pappasadrian> and, bottomline, why does it need a license, if it claims to be free opensource? 19:47 <+darknyan> There appears to be a professional version. 19:47 <+JMcleod> Pro needs liscense, free does not and is opensource 19:47 <+darknyan> Though I'm confused why we needed the professional license. 19:47 <+JMcleod> Because its what the IT group decided it needed. 19:47 <@JohannWeiss> Our sever and our mail has been very bad for the past 6 months. We directed the IT comm to come up with a solution. 19:48 <@JohannWeiss> This was it 19:48 <+pappasadrian> well.. if it solves the email issues 19:48 <+pappasadrian> i guess so be it 19:49 <@JohannWeiss> I'd like to keep this meeting moving. Unless someone objects, I'd suggest this discussion be moved to the next IT Comm meeting, which you are all allowed to attend. 19:49 <+pappasadrian> alright from me 19:49 <+pappasadrian> just let us know when it will happen, please 19:50 <@JohannWeiss> I will contact the IT Head and post the answer here https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/topic/general-meeting-february-20-2013-wednesday-8pm-eastern-time 19:50 <@RLim> we could use more volunteer for it 19:50 <+pappasadrian> great, thanks 19:50 <@JohannWeiss> (unless someone on IT already knows when the next one will happen) 19:50 <+pappasadrian> hmm.. not a bad idea :) we'll talk at the next IT meeting 19:51 <+psema4> also #canada-itcomm btw ;) 19:51 <+JMcleod> election results time now? 19:51 <@JohannWeiss> Not yet 19:51 <@JohannWeiss> Unfinished Business 19:51 <@JohannWeiss> The only item is the letter that was to be drafted by the PC about the Russian Pirate Party 19:51 <+TravisMcCrea> At the risk of sounding like I am okay with waste -- we always get caught up questioning decisions already made to                      death. The IT department and whoever else said that we want that server we can do it. No need to talk things to death. 19:52 <@JohannWeiss> I don't believe the new PC has had time to work on it, but if anyone on the PC would wish to speak on the matter, do so                     now. 19:54 <@JohannWeiss> I will email the PC and ensure the have something to bring to you at the next GM 19:55 <@JohannWeiss> PC elections results time 19:55 <@JohannWeiss> Every nominee received the required approval rating. 19:56 <@JohannWeiss> Details are here https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/topic/2013-pc-election-results 19:56 <+JMcleod> Dropbox links are dead 19:56 <@JohannWeiss> Already? 19:57 <@RLim> one sec 19:57 <@RLim> I changed the folder name 19:57 <@JohannWeiss> (not a good day for our infrastructure) 19:57 <@RLim> try this 19:57 <@RLim> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jf0z59020ubtxgo/2013_PC_Election_Results.pdf 19:58 <@RLim> Did that work 19:58 <@RLim> ? 19:58 <@JohannWeiss> Worked for me 19:58 <@RLim> so yo can verify the vote using your verification code 19:59 <@RLim> and here's the voters list 19:59 <@RLim> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ja753ez1kpw6sf/Voters%20ID%20randomize.pdf?m 19:59 <@RLim> with member id of those who voted 19:59 <@RLim> should have added the total counts 20:01 <@JohannWeiss> Any objections to moving on? 20:01 <@RLim> approval right? 20:02 <@JohannWeiss> What? 20:02 <@RLim> member needs to approve the result 20:02 <+JMcleod> yeah we need to vote on approving the results :) 20:02 <+CraigNobbs> I approve.... but that might be self serving... =P 20:02 <@RLim> lol 20:03 <+JMcleod> Its just to approve that you havent noticed any irregularities really 20:03 <@JohannWeiss> Any debate/discussion (60 sec) before we vote? 20:03 <+pappasadrian> what if the results are not approved? 20:04 <@JohannWeiss> Then we would have to call an emergency GM and likely have a reelection. 20:04 <+JMcleod> Yeah its a revote if not approved 20:04 <+JMcleod> No new candidates though :P 20:04 <+pappasadrian> so, theoretically, that can go on indefinitely 20:05 <+JMcleod> Yeah, it could 20:05 <+CraigNobbs> that sounds like a waste of time. =(   my vote is to approve the results... or it will be when we vote. 20:05 <@JohannWeiss> We are now voting to approve the Political Council Elections Results 20:06 <+TravisMcCrea> Craig would say that 20:06 <+TravisMcCrea> but I also say that :) 20:06 <@JohannWeiss> Aye for in favour, nay for against 20:06 <+CraigNobbs> AYE 20:06 <+psema4> aye 20:06 <+JMcleod> Aye 20:06 <+McGrath> Aye. 20:06 <+oxpirate> aye 20:06 <@RLim> aye 20:06 <+MononcQc> aye 20:06 <+thor> aye 20:06 <+pappasadrian> aye 20:07 <+darknyan> Abstain. 20:07 <+Wilson> aye 20:07 <+TravisMcCrea> aye 20:08 <@JohannWeiss> The results pass: 11 in favour, 0 against, 1 abstain 20:09 <@JohannWeiss> Now we nominate candidates for 3 positions: President, Leader, and Secretary 20:09 <+pappasadrian> *question about the procedure 20:09 <@JohannWeiss> Let me briefly explain how this works before any nominations are thrown down 20:09 <+pappasadrian> do people who didnt vote count as abstain? 20:09 <@JohannWeiss> Yes 20:09 <+pappasadrian> okay 20:09 <@JohannWeiss> Abstain does not affect the vote results 20:09 <@JohannWeiss> (or approval ratings would be less then 1% for everyone) 20:10 <+CraigNobbs> lol 20:10 <+CraigNobbs> and here I thought people loved me! =( 20:10 <@JohannWeiss> President is in charge of the Executive board, chairing the GM's and general internal functioning of the party. 20:11 <+JMcleod> For us it seems kinda pointless, but for people like the students in quebec, some votes have to be retaken. A new vote on                 the next education strike is starting and 1 university is revoting a strike vote because of a "procedural irregularity" (I think its because they didnt clearly announce the GM or the vote, but not entirely sure about it) 20:11 <@JohannWeiss> Leader is the head of the party. In charge of politics and policy. 20:11 <@JohannWeiss> To be nominated for leader the candidate *must* be on the Political Council already 20:12 <@JohannWeiss> Secretary is in charge of minute taking and generally paperwork 20:12 <@JohannWeiss> The person to get second place in the running for President will become the Vice-President, who is in charge of taking                     over for the President if they must leave for some reason . 20:13 <+CraigNobbs> Like we shoot them?    j/k 20:13 <@JohannWeiss> The second place for Leader becomes the Deputy Leader, and fills in for the Leader when needed 20:13 <+JMcleod> (Secretary is a lot of responsibility, you are warned) 20:13 <@JohannWeiss> Any questions about this election? 20:14 * psema4 +1 JMcleod 20:14 <+JMcleod> (Leader is the party to Election Canada, mess up on the wrong thing, we get deregistered) 20:14 <+JMcleod> Another comment 20:15 <+JMcleod> The next president to be elected will have 1 primary responsibility and will have to coordinate with the PC and anyone else willing to participate 20:15 <+JMcleod> By June, we need to have at least 300 signed papers to reconfirm the existence of our party 20:15 <+psema4> :( 20:16 <@JohannWeiss> Very important 20:16 <+JMcleod> EC will not accept photocopies, no scans. Only real, hand signatures 20:16 <+psema4> is there a pdf to print? 20:16 <+psema4> (and sign) 20:16 <+JMcleod> Yes but atm the issue is we dont have an address to send it to 20:16 <+oxpirate> Shouldn't be too difficult unless we request all our members to mail in their signatures. They can all be on different                  sheets of paper, no? 20:16 <+oxpirate> if we request* 20:16 <+oxpirate> o 20:17 <+JMcleod> Yes 1 sheet per person 20:18 <@JohannWeiss> That issue can be dealt with once we have an Exec Board 20:19 <@JohannWeiss> Any questions about the election process? 20:19 <+pappasadrian> the actual voting will be the same as for the PC? 20:20 <@JohannWeiss> Similar but it's not by approval, just highest vote percent 20:20 <+adpaolucci> Meeting still going on? I fell asleep setting up the new web server 20:20 <@JohannWeiss> Yes 20:20 <+pappasadrian> ok, thanks JohannWeiss 20:20 <@JohannWeiss> Seeing no further questions, you may nominate members now 20:21 <+JMcleod> Nominate yourselves if you want :) 20:21 <+psema4> I'll nominate Wilson 20:21 <@JohannWeiss> for? 20:21 <+Wilson> I nominate Travis for leader 20:22 <+oxpirate> second 20:22 <+psema4> oops, sorry. leader 20:22 <+oxpirate> To Travis 20:23 <@JohannWeiss> (as per before, the person can decline) 20:23 <@JohannWeiss> I'm nominating Ric Lim for Secretary 20:24 <+JMcleod> (we really need EB nominations) 20:24 <+TravisMcCrea> I nominate Shawn Vulliez for President 20:24 <+darknyan> I'd like to nominate pappasadrian 20:24 <+pappasadrian> i'd like to decline that 20:24 <+JMcleod> for? 20:24 <+JMcleod> oh n/m 20:24 <+JMcleod> oxpirate: http://www.elections.ca/pol/pol/EC20036_c.pdf 20:25 <+Wilson> he's on the PC. rules forbid Shawn from being prez, i believe 20:25 <+JMcleod> They do. 20:25 <@JohannWeiss> Point of clarification 20:26 <@JohannWeiss> If a member of the PC is nominated for the Executive Board, they may run, but if they win they must leave there seat on                     the PC to take the new position. 20:26 <+oxpirate> My PDF viewer is force closing. What is this JMcleod? 20:26 <@JohannWeiss> The PC can function with moinimum of 20:26 <@JohannWeiss> minimum of 5 members, so the extra positions wont have to be filled (unless they go from 10 down to < 5) 20:27 * psema4 nominates oxpirate for president 20:27 <+CraigNobbs> well... we have a few to spare... =) 20:27 <+JMcleod> I would like to nominate psema4 for president as well 20:27 <+psema4> not a good idea 20:27 <+oxpirate> I decline. I don't think I would be a good face for the party. 20:28 <@JohannWeiss> Are you declining psema4? 20:28 <+TravisMcCrea> realistically president isn't much of a "face" as the "boss" 20:28 <+TravisMcCrea> or "manager" 20:28 <+psema4> I'll decline. I couldn't dedicate near enough time for it :( 20:28 <@JohannWeiss> k 20:28 <+oxpirate> yes 20:28 <+CraigNobbs> so... if he hasn't been already, I nominate Shawn for president/leader 20:28 <+TravisMcCrea> CraigNobbs I did :) 20:29 <+JMcleod> I would like to nominate Sean Hunt for president (should he want to give it another go) 20:29 <+pappasadrian> afaik, the leader is the face, not the president 20:29 <+JMcleod> President = Inner workings of the party 20:29 <+CraigNobbs> Can someone clarify the "leader" position for me please? 20:30 <@JohannWeiss> Leader is the Head of the Political Council 20:30 <+JMcleod> Leader is he who is the political face of the party. Our very own Stephen Harper or Kim Jong Un. 20:30 <+pappasadrian>  Leader is the head of the party. In charge of politics and policy. 20:30 <@JohannWeiss> It's the position that is officially recognized by Elections Canada as the head of the Party 20:30 <+JMcleod> He is the one who has to write to EC about everything and everything revolves aroud the Leader in the eyes of Election Canada 20:30 <@JohannWeiss> So official mail is directed to them 20:30 <+TravisMcCrea> The President is like the COO of the party 20:30 <@JohannWeiss> That help CraigNobbs? 20:31 <+CraigNobbs> it does. thank you. =) 20:31 <+TravisMcCrea> they manage all day to day operations and keep the clock ticking 20:31 <+TravisMcCrea> :D 20:31 <+CraigNobbs> can one nominate themselves? 20:31 <@JohannWeiss> Definitly 20:32 <+CraigNobbs> I would like to humbly nominate myself for the Dear Leader position.  =) 20:32 <+pappasadrian> should we nominate absent people? 20:32 <@JohannWeiss> Yes 20:32 <@JohannWeiss> They will have to approve it later to be on the ballot 20:32 <+pappasadrian> well, broken syntax and mcgrath are not here 20:32 <+McGrath> I am here. 20:33 <+pappasadrian> lulz, and i am blind :P 20:33 <+pappasadrian> sorry 20:33 <+McGrath> :) 20:33 <+pappasadrian> then, just broken syntax 20:33 <+Wilson> I nominate Vaughn Male for secretary 20:33 <+pappasadrian> Wilson, who is he? 20:34 <+pappasadrian> and does the secretary need to be a member of the PC? 20:34 <@JohannWeiss> No 20:34 <+Wilson> He organizes the Edmonton group. He was actually supposed to be here tonight... 20:34 <@JohannWeiss> It's only the Leader/Deputy who need to be on the PC 20:35 <@JohannWeiss> Update: 20:35 <+JMcleod> The president makes sure we get meetings running, tries to find ways to get quorum (he shouldnt but its what he does) and                 makes sure the party keeps on running. He has a kind of  unwritten semi-veto if needed for non-vote stuff. He also chairs                  meetings. On demand he can become an agent of the party for 100$ limits. 20:35 <@JohannWeiss> Leader nominees: Travis, Wilson, Shawn V, Craig Nobbs 20:36 <+JMcleod> The EB also approves spendings. 20:36 <@JohannWeiss> Pres Nominees: Shawn V and Shawn H (the other two declined 20:36 * psema4 nominates JohanWeiss for president 20:36 <@JohannWeiss> Secretary: Ric Lim, and Vaugn Male 20:36 <@JohannWeiss> Did I miss any? 20:36 <+JMcleod> Sean H 20:36 <+JMcleod> he writes it Sean 20:37 <@JohannWeiss> Right, 20:37 <@JohannWeiss> Sean H 20:37 <@JohannWeiss> Copy/pasting 20:37 <+JMcleod> Johann Weiss for president, I think he does a great job :P 20:37 <@JohannWeiss> Sorry psema4, I've got to decline, too much life going on this summer 20:37 <+JMcleod> awww 20:38 <@JohannWeiss> We're going to have a problem with the President position. 20:38  * psema4 nominates JMcleod for president 20:38 <@JohannWeiss> I'm fairly sure both of those candidates will be declining 20:39 <@JohannWeiss> JMcleod? 20:39 <+JMcleod> Ive barely been here in the past months, so I am forced to decline 20:39 <@JohannWeiss> Makes sense 20:39 <+JMcleod> Im in the process of trying to sell and move to a new place too 20:39 <+JMcleod> Once that is out of the way, itll help a lot 20:40 <@JohannWeiss> Yup, I'll be back to help out next year 20:40 <@JohannWeiss> I'm nominating James Wilson and CCitizen for Pres 20:41 <@JohannWeiss> Wilson, CCitizen? 20:41 <+JMcleod> I would also like to nominate adpaolucci for president 20:43 <+TravisMcCrea> I nominate CraigNobbs for President 20:43 <+JMcleod> (I think we shouldnt have an EB since no one wants to preside it anyways) 20:43 <+oxpirate> this 20:44 <+oxpirate> merge them but that's a discussion for another time 20:44 <+JMcleod> Dont forget I got to be VP with an application being "Because no one else wants to" 20:44 <@JohannWeiss> ^ If that is what we wish to do then it's something we can work on 20:45 <@JohannWeiss> It would be easiest if we were able to elect an exec temporarily and then merge the board and council in the next couple months 20:45 <@RLim> how many of the president nominee have accepted? 20:45 <+JMcleod> Gotta contact them 20:45 <+JMcleod> adpaolucci probably fell asleep again 20:45 <+Wilson> I'm gonna decline the prez nomination 20:45 <+adpaolucci> nope working on a mysql db right now 20:45 <+adpaolucci> civicrm 20:46 <@RLim> just don't want everyone to decline after the meeting 20:46 <@JohannWeiss> I haven't heard from Shawn, Sean, Wilson, CCitizen, adpaolucci, or CraigNobbs 20:46 <@JohannWeiss> Wilsons out, so down to 4 20:46 <@RLim> CraigNobbs: would be a good pres 20:46 <@JohannWeiss> adpaolucci, will you accept a nomination for President 20:46 <@JohannWeiss> ? 20:46 <@RLim> we need at least 2, the pther for vice pres 20:47 <@RLim> *other 20:47 <+adpaolucci> As of right now my duties with IT are too much for me to take on that nomination 20:47 <@JohannWeiss> Damn 20:47 <@JohannWeiss> Down to 4 20:48 <+JMcleod> maybe darknyan since he questionned our spending so much :D 20:48 <@JohannWeiss> (and 2 of those for are a likely decline, so it's realistically 2) 20:48 <+JMcleod> nominate darknyan for prez! 20:48 <+darknyan> Talk to Elections Canada about it, and we'll see. 20:48 <+JMcleod> Why? 20:48 <+pappasadrian> i am nominating darknyan for president 20:48 <@RLim> EC only care about Leader 20:48 <+CraigNobbs> Can the leader and president be the same person? 20:48 <+pappasadrian> considering there's no relationship with EC 20:49 <@RLim> president was created by us to lighten the load of the Leader 20:49 <+darknyan> What am I being nominated for? 20:49 <@JohannWeiss> CraigNobbs: Nope 20:49 <@RLim> especially during election time 20:49 <+JMcleod> No CraigNobbs its one or the other 20:49 <+pappasadrian> president of the universe, darknyan 20:49 <+psema4> darknyan: president 20:49 <+JMcleod> darknyan: president (vp if finish 2nd) 20:49 <+darknyan> Difference between a Party leader and a president? 20:49 <+JMcleod> Leader = political face 20:49 <+TravisMcCrea> darknyan scroll up, we explained it 20:50 <+JMcleod> President = inner workings 20:50 <+JMcleod> eg: meetings, spending and the likes 20:50 <+pappasadrian> you'll need to coordinate everything 20:50 <+pappasadrian> ie you need to get a whip 20:50 <@RLim> president - chair meeting, emergency agent for spending up to $100 20:50 <+JMcleod> Yeah coordinating will be necessary this year for the signatures 20:52 <+adpaolucci> IT NOTICE: ANYTHING ADDED TO THE SITE AND/OR WIKI IN THE NEXT WEEK MAY BE LOST AS WE ARE MOVING TO A NEW SERVER 20:52 <+JMcleod> phillipsjk: want to be president? 20:52 <+adpaolucci> but with that notice we also now have a working email server. so come to be if you're on the PC or EB for your emails 20:53 <+adpaolucci> *mew 20:53 <+adpaolucci> **me 20:53 <+JMcleod> id like to nominate phillipsjk for president also 20:53 <+phillipsjk> President does not have to be on the EB already? 20:53 <@JohannWeiss> Nope, it's how you get on it 20:54 <@JohannWeiss> If you've got questions about the position, feel free to IM me 20:54 <+darknyan> I'll deny the position for now. 20:54 <@JohannWeiss> I'm kinda doing it now 20:54 <@JohannWeiss> ALright 20:55 <+darknyan> I will however, participate in the election if I can receive the title of vice-president, and deny any president title given upon me :P 20:56 <+JMcleod> You cant do that 20:57 <+JMcleod> Because atm, 2 VPs took over. I took over from Sean, JohannWeiss pretty much took over from me. 20:58 <+darknyan> Yeah, I'm not ready to take on the capacity of being a president. Sorry :( 20:58 <@JohannWeiss> You should be honest here 20:58 <+psema4> ^ 20:58 <@JohannWeiss> It'll do more damage in the long run to take the position and not be able to handle it 20:58 <+pappasadrian> i nominate myself for president 20:59 <+pappasadrian> with the clarification that i dont live in canada, i dint know how that might affect the work that has to be done 20:59 <+psema4> do you hold Canadian citizenship? 20:59 <+pappasadrian> yes i do 20:59 <@JohannWeiss> Then it's fine 21:00 <@JohannWeiss> Especially if you end up VP 21:00 <+pappasadrian> yes, i'll probably quit if im elected president 21:00 <+pappasadrian> im just trying to fill the gap here 21:00 <+CraigNobbs> omg....  ./sigh 21:00 <+psema4> ;( 21:00 <+pappasadrian> ? 21:01 <+pappasadrian> CraigNobbs, psema4 ? 21:01 <+JMcleod> This is when you realise membership made a mistake when booting Hunt off 21:01 <+CraigNobbs> you cannot accept the nomination if you are unwilling to actually be the president. That's the whole sticking point of                    this discussion.... no offense, but if anyone cannot accipt the whole responsibility, then please decline 21:02 <+psema4> we're facing an existential crises and the one position that must be filled... no one seems to want it or be capable of                filling it 21:02 <+TravisMcCrea> JMcleod I knew that before they even did it 21:02 <+pappasadrian> CraigNobbs, you're right 21:02 <+pappasadrian> so im declining my own nomination, weirldy enough 21:02 <+CraigNobbs> lol 21:02 <@JohannWeiss> :) 21:03 <+pappasadrian> above all, i have a very sturdy opinion 21:03 < RL1m> there was an interesting discussion with a prospective member about eliminating the hierarchical sounding position 21:03 <+pappasadrian> i think it's possible RL1m 21:03 < RL1m> anyway it's more for constitutional revision. maybe not have a president and have rotating chair for meeting 21:04 <+psema4> we've been going around in circles since 2009. we need leadership 21:04 <+pappasadrian> well, the chair for the meetings is the least, imo 21:04 <@JohannWeiss> Yeah, I'm also in favour of restructuring/reducing the number of positions soon 21:04 < RL1m> we do have leader 21:04 <+pappasadrian> psema4, allow me to disagree 21:04 < RL1m> did CraigNobbs accept the nomination? 21:04 <+pappasadrian> i'm in favor of collaborative leadership 21:05 <+CraigNobbs> no, I regretfully decline. 21:05 <@JohannWeiss> Craig: for Pres, right 21:05 <@JohannWeiss> ? 21:05 <+pappasadrian> if I may suggest, can we just elect one person, anyone, and then we'll all agree and promise to help out with whatever work has to be done. especially with the signatures 21:05 <+pappasadrian> off the record agreement 21:06 <+JMcleod> Who is nominated for which positions right now? 21:06 <+phillipsjk> I have decided to accept my nomination. 21:06 < RL1m> cool 21:06 <@JohannWeiss> Leader: Travis, James Wilson, Shawn V, Craig Nobbs 21:06 <+CraigNobbs> My views of the party differ from some of the current leadership nominees. Since I cannot be bother the leader and president, I feel as though I must try for the leadership. 21:06 <+phillipsjk> I'll have to get my but in gear to get ready though. 21:06 < RL1m> is someone keeping a log. In case my log fail. 21:07 <@JohannWeiss> Pres: Philipsjk, CCitizen 21:07 <@JohannWeiss> Secretary: Ric Lim, Vaugn Male 21:08 < RL1m> CCitizen: accepts? 21:08 <@JohannWeiss> I just saved a log up to this point 21:08 <@JohannWeiss> CCitizen hasn't declined or accepted 21:08 < RL1m> thanks. I should be ok but just in case. 21:08 frack 21:08 <+adpaolucci> CCitizen is at work 21:09 < RL1m> everyone demand that he accept. I have his e-mail. :D 21:09 < RL1m> although he is already at PC, IT, and The Fund 21:10 <+TravisMcCrea> Can I nominate Sean Hunt as President? speaking of things? 21:10 <@JohannWeiss> Already done 21:10 <+JMcleod> You just didnt list him :P 21:11 < RL1m> we need another nominee who accept, just for insurance 21:11 <@JohannWeiss> You're right 21:11 <@JohannWeiss> President: Philipsjk 21:11 <@JohannWeiss> CCitizen 21:11 <@JohannWeiss> Shawn V, Sean Hunt 21:11 < RL1m> Maybe we should move to plan on eliminating EB 21:11 <+TravisMcCrea> I nominate oxpirate as our quirky but lovable president 21:11 < RL1m> yeah oxpirate 21:12 <+pappasadrian> i'll also nominate broken syntax for president 21:12 <+TravisMcCrea> And if he doesn't accept, we will all look at him in shame. 21:12 <@JohannWeiss> Oxpirate has already declined 21:12 < RL1m> lol 21:12 * TravisMcCrea looks at oxpirate in shame 21:12 <+JMcleod> hehe oxpirate wouldnt be a bad choice given his FB posts, if he posts out of line we can say that it was the president looking to stimulate discussion with the members instead of an official position :P 21:13 <@JohannWeiss> President update: Shawn V, Sean H, Broken Syntax, Philipsjk, CCitizen 21:13 < RL1m> only one have accepted 21:13 <@JohannWeiss> Yup 21:13 <+darknyan> I would like to motion that we move nominations to the end of the meeting, as this is taking a significant portion of time, and most are AFK right now. 21:13 <@JohannWeiss> If we only end up with a single candidate, then they will become president 21:14 <+oxpirate> I can accept the nomination on the condition that I get help and someone clarifies the presidents responsibilities. 21:14 <@JohannWeiss> and likely we will start a series of GM's to restructure the EB 21:14 <@JohannWeiss> I can do that for you oxpirate 21:14 < RL1m> the fund is our treasurer 21:15 < RL1m> we can retain the secretary. and everyone else at PC can chip in 21:15 <@JohannWeiss> darknyan has made a motion, do we have a seconder? 21:15 <+Wilson> second 21:15 <+pappasadrian> oxpirate, i'll help as much as i can 21:15 < RL1m> downsize officers :P 21:16 <+pappasadrian> the president's responsibility is internal organisation 21:16 <@JohannWeiss> The motion is to move the candidate nominations to the end of the meeting (after new business) 21:16 <+pappasadrian> chairing meetings 21:16 <+pappasadrian> etc 21:16 <@JohannWeiss> Is there any debate on the issue? 21:16 <+pappasadrian> yes 21:16 <+pappasadrian> i think we should get this over with now 21:16 <@JohannWeiss> (please focus discussion on the motion at hand) 21:16 < RL1m> would also satisfy members or prospective members who have aberration for authoritarian sounding position 21:16 <+Wilson> Point of clarification: All nominations already made still stand, right? 21:16 <@JohannWeiss> Yes 21:17 <+Wilson> kk 21:17 < RL1m> what other business do we have? 21:17 <+Wilson> new business 21:18 <@JohannWeiss> It would be the time for any members to bring new motions forward. If there are none, then we're already at the end of                     the meeting, so the motion is moot 21:18 <+darknyan> I would like to motion the creation of a Youth Wing. 21:18 <+pappasadrian> did the previous motion pass? 21:19 <+Wilson> we need to vote on your previous motion 21:19 <@JohannWeiss> We are currently discussing the motoin 21:19 <+darknyan> Very well. 21:19 <+Wilson> (but that you do have business certainly helps) 21:19 < RL1m> move to vote 21:19 <+phillipsjk> I think we are still discussing the previous motion. Darknyan is simply pointing out that he/she was to make a motion. 21:20 <+phillipsjk> second move to vote 21:20 <@JohannWeiss> Any objections to voting on the motion to deal with new business before finishing the nominations 21:20 <+JMcleod> Isn't this party a youth wing? 21:20 <+JMcleod> :D 21:20 <+phillipsjk> s/was/wants/ 21:21 <+JMcleod> But seriously I dont understand the point of a youth wing as all votes count as 1. 21:21 <+pappasadrian> +1 @ JMcleod 21:21 <+pappasadrian> but can we discuss it later? 21:21 <+JMcleod> Unlike other parties, where the youth wing gets 25% of the party's direction no matter how many vote, we are all equal 21:21 <@JohannWeiss> No objections 21:22 <@JohannWeiss> We are now voting on the motion to finish the nominations after new business 21:22 <+darknyan> I will elaborate as soon as the discussion on my current motion. 21:22 <+darknyan> is finished. 21:22 <@JohannWeiss> aye to agree, nay to disagree (you know how this works) 21:22 < RL1m> aye 21:22 <+phillipsjk> aye 21:22 <+JMcleod> nay 21:22 <+Wilson> aye 21:22 <+darknyan> Aye. 21:23 <+oxpirate> abstain 21:23 <+McGrath> Aye 21:23 <+TravisMcCrea> aye 21:23 <+pappasadrian> nay 21:23 <+CraigNobbs> aye 21:25 <@JohannWeiss> the motion passes, 7 ayes, 2 nays, 1 abstain 21:25 <@JohannWeiss> New business 21:25 <+darknyan> May I proceed with my motion? 21:25 <@JohannWeiss> Yes 21:25 <+darknyan> Ladies and Gentlemen. 21:26 <+darknyan> I would like to raise the motion of creating a offical youth wing. 21:26 <+JMcleod> Right, so what use is such a wing for us? 21:26 <+pappasadrian> question: what goals will the youth wing have? 21:26 <+darknyan> My generation is some of the most well-connected, technology wielding generations of all time. 21:27 <+pappasadrian> define your generation please21:27 <@JohannWeiss> Let him make his case 21:27 <+pappasadrian> okay, im stfu 21:27 <+darknyan> As well, Canada's teenagers are no longer even-partially politically informed. 21:28 <+adpaolucci> darknyan: our generation is also full of "YOLO SWAG" types... (someone kill me) 21:28 <+darknyan> lmao 21:28 <+TravisMcCrea> I think the average age of the party would make a youth wing pointless 21:28 <+pappasadrian> i second TravisMcCrea 21:29 <@JohannWeiss> Seriously, let him speak, then respond 21:29 <+darknyan> The goal of the Youth wing is to improve political participation of students, provide free membership to the PPCA, and to                  inspire the new generation of voters. 21:30 <+darknyan> Many of these students could be excellent assets to the party. 21:30 <+darknyan> They can provide connection to a new generation, significantly increase PPCA recognition and further the organizational efforts of the PPCA. 21:31 <+darknyan> The motion was previously denied due to it's large age range, which extended to 25. 21:33 <+JMcleod> Membership = voting rights. 21:33 <+JMcleod> If its free, I could join as 3 different "young people" 21:33 <+darknyan> The current motion will extend from 12 to 17. The goal of the youth wing being to increase PPCA recognition, help us reach our quorum, increase participation in politics within Canada and to gain access to new volunteers. 21:33 <+pappasadrian> there needs to be some kind of ID verification.. 21:34 <+darknyan> I'm fine with that. 21:34 <+pappasadrian> parental consent? 21:34 <+JMcleod> No, no parental consent 21:34 <+pappasadrian> idk about the legal status on such issues 21:34 <+darknyan> But notice that we virtually have no verification right now. 21:34 <+CraigNobbs> that's an absolute requirement 21:34 <+darknyan> For all you know, I could be TravisMccrea's second account because he's so rich. 21:34 <+pappasadrian> darknyan, that's a general problem 21:35 <+CraigNobbs> I knew it! Travis you thief! 21:35 <+pappasadrian> theoretically i could register as many dummy people as i want 21:35 <+CraigNobbs> XP 21:35 <@JohannWeiss> I don't think we can have a youth wing with voting rights if they allow members under 14 21:35 <@JohannWeiss> legally and all 21:35 <+darknyan> I mentioned in my Candiacy thread, those under 14 will not receive voting rights. 21:35 <+pappasadrian> JohannWeiss, you could have the youth wing as young as you want it to be 21:35 <+pappasadrian> and yes, what darknyan said 21:36 <+darknyan> Again, I'm up for discussion and collaborative solution solving. 21:36 <@JohannWeiss> Good, just wanted to point out possible legality problems 21:36 <+JMcleod> Well we could have a temporary youth wing, say 1 year, see how it goes 21:36 <+darknyan> If anyone has a problem, or a solution, feel free to raise it. 21:36 <+pappasadrian> darknyan, considering the (small) amount of active people in ppca right now 21:36 <+JMcleod> Youth wing could also be EB sub-board 21:36 <+JMcleod> Or PC, it would be better PC 21:36 <+psema4> what does ec say about youth wings? 21:36 <+pappasadrian> do you think it's a good idea to break up into subgroups 21:36 <+pappasadrian> ? 21:36 <+TravisMcCrea> I restate my opinion that we don't need to form a "youth wing" to do the things suggested 21:37 < RL1m> youth wing could be outreach to young peole and student 21:37 < RL1m> I remember during election they usually have grade 9 students attend debates 21:37 < RL1m> and also mock voting 21:37 <+darknyan> You might not, but think about it. Do kids really want to fork over $10 to vote? No, they have no incentive to do so. 21:37 <+pappasadrian> RL1m, i think you could do better if you advertised that you dont need a youth wing because.. well because everyone is                      young :P 21:37 < RL1m> which surprisingly reflects closely with actual vote results 21:37 <+darknyan> Does every 15 year old want to rub shoulders with 30 year olds? 21:38 < RL1m> I don't see any harm in having a youth wing 21:38 <+pappasadrian> darknyan, i agree. why nit just remove membership for everyome below 18, regardless? 21:38 <+pappasadrian> *not 21:38 <+CraigNobbs> Look.... seriously. I am absolutely 100% against youth under the age of 18 from voting for anything that can affect this party. 21:38 < RL1m> if they are non-voting. Way of orienting them to politics 21:38 <+pappasadrian> well, CraigNobbs, right now darknyan is voting and he's 14 21:38 <+TravisMcCrea> CraigNobbs can you rephrase that? 21:38 <+pappasadrian> i dont see a problem 21:39 <+darknyan> I'm fine with that too. 21:39 <+TravisMcCrea> is "from" supposed to be removed? 21:39 <+darknyan> If members are not given voting privleges. 21:39 <+TravisMcCrea> or did you mean keeping them from voting? 21:39 <+JMcleod> He means keeping them from 21:39 <+CraigNobbs> 17 and under should not be voting for anything. 21:39 < RL1m> agree 21:40 <+JMcleod> I think they should 21:40 <+pappasadrian> disagree 21:40 <+oxpirate> Tbh, I don't see the point of a young wing in an already predominantly youth party. A initiative for forming school clubs seems like it would be more appropriate and benefitial, fitting both grade school and post-secondary. 21:40 < RL1m> that does not mean we should not have youth wing 21:40 <+JMcleod> But not from free membership 21:40 < RL1m> 17 might be too high a ceiling 21:40 < RL1m> I think 14 21:40 < RL1m> from what I can remember 21:40 <+pappasadrian> look, for everyone agreeing with the youth wing 21:41 <+pappasadrian> the only concern i have is the potential division of the party 21:41 <@JohannWeiss> *** Reminder: we are not discussing changing anything about voting ages within the party 21:41 <+pappasadrian> to old folks and young folks 21:41 <+pappasadrian> and, considering we're not that many 21:41 <+pappasadrian> how can this be dealt with? 21:41 <@JohannWeiss> *** Discussion is on creating some kind of youth wing 21:41 <+TravisMcCrea> pappasadrian that's exactly what I am thinking. Look we can't even get a president, how are we supposed to get someone to oversee a youth wing? 21:41 <+TravisMcCrea> If they are willing to oversee a youth wing, why don't they take that energy and be our president?? 21:41 < RL1m> darknyan is volunteering to do so 21:42 <+pappasadrian> is he? 21:42 <+darknyan> I am volunteering to oversee the Youth Wing, yes. 21:42 <+TravisMcCrea> darknyan yet you declined presidency? 21:42 <+pappasadrian> look, undeniably, it's a nice thing to have 21:42 <+pappasadrian> a "youth wing" 21:42 <+pappasadrian> but at this point i personally find it pointless 21:42 <+CraigNobbs> you can't have a 14 yr old president of a political party 21:42 <+darknyan> Managing a Federal Party and a group of eagar kids are 2 different things. 21:43 <@JohannWeiss> **** Silence for a moment **** 21:43 <@JohannWeiss> We do not have a well phrased motion we are discussing 21:43 <+pappasadrian> that is true 21:43 <@JohannWeiss> darknyan needs to write a specific motion on what he is proposing 21:43 <@JohannWeiss> otherwise our discussion will get to vague 21:44 <+darknyan> I am proposing the establishment of a Youth Wing for a trial period of 1 year, of which I will manage. 21:44 <@JohannWeiss> It also needs a seconder (once it's written) 21:44 <+pappasadrian> i suggest that we form a workgroup to work on that proposal 21:44 <+pappasadrian> a very specific written proposal 21:44 <@JohannWeiss> Can you add an age qualifier 21:44 <+darknyan> That is what the debate is about. 21:44 <+darknyan> The age of the youth wing. 21:44 <+JMcleod> I would go against a workgroup - bureaucracy is unneeded. 21:45 <+pappasadrian> not really, darknyan 21:45 <+pappasadrian> the debate is about its existence 21:45 <@JohannWeiss> It can be changed, but we need a starting point for the discussion 21:45 <+JMcleod> darknyan: What would be different between the youth wing and the official party? 21:45 <@JohannWeiss> Where slipping back into vague converstaion 21:46 <@JohannWeiss> I'd like to keep on topic so this meeting has an endpoint 21:46 <+darknyan> Youth Wing would be oriented towards students, and would have a large student presence. 21:46 <@JohannWeiss> So highschool ages plus a bit of college? 21:46 <+TravisMcCrea> I believe that we should have an actual motion to debate. Start by making a motion and then we can make amendments to                      it. 21:47 <+JMcleod> If what you are asking is to speak on behalf of the party to people your age, we dont need a youth wing for that ;) 21:47 <+darknyan> I am not making a motion, this is simply up for discussion right now. 21:47 <+darknyan> So we can make a proper motion. 21:47 <@JohannWeiss> I would then suggest that we have the discussion in the piratepad and/or in the forums 21:47 <+TravisMcCrea> Not to be rude, but I am not going to "just chat" if there isn't a motion, I suggest making a forum thread or we move on 21:47 <+pappasadrian> can we take a 5 minute break and work on it on a pad? 21:47 <+CraigNobbs> yes. take this to the forums. 21:47 <+CraigNobbs> not pirate pad 21:47 <+JMcleod> We could also take it to facebook 21:47 <+JMcleod> just sayin 21:48 <+pappasadrian> why not 21:48 <@JohannWeiss> I need motions here guys 21:48 <+darknyan> Motion to take the discussion onto forums? 21:48 <+JMcleod> we cant move on that :P 21:48 <@JohannWeiss> any seconders 21:48 <@JohannWeiss> Yes we can 21:48 you guys use facebook? 21:48 <+JMcleod> oh hi missrobot - we do, yes 21:48 <+JMcleod> https://www.facebook.com/piratepartyca 21:48 i was reading the whole time, interesting 21:48 im not using facebook though. 21:48 <+JMcleod> in that case, ill second your motion darknyan 21:49 <+TravisMcCrea> Someone else can second, but I think that is also silly. Just make a forum post. 21:49 <@JohannWeiss> missrobot: yes. we are currently in a meeting. If you would like to have casual conversation, we're doing so in                     #canada-riffraff 21:49 <+TravisMcCrea> You don't need permission to do it 21:49 <@JohannWeiss> Alt suggestion: you can wiothdraw move the issue to the next GM or 21:49 <@JohannWeiss> damnit 21:50 <+darknyan> ^ 21:50 <@JohannWeiss> accedental enter 21:50 <@JohannWeiss> withdraw your motion, discuss wherever you please and bring the fully formed motion to the next GM 21:51 <+darknyan> Motion Withdrawn. 21:51 <@JohannWeiss> Great 21:51 <@JohannWeiss> (but people should discuss this before the next meeting, so we can deal with it properly) 21:51 <@JohannWeiss> So, is there any other new business? 21:51 < RL1m> darknyan: if you want create a forum now and post the link here while everyoe is here. We tend to get low traffic on our forum right now 21:52 <@JohannWeiss> Good call Ric 21:52 <+darknyan> I would, but I need to think over this a lot more. 21:52 < RL1m> ok 21:52 <@JohannWeiss> Well then you guys should try and check the forums soon 21:53 < RL1m> ok 21:53 <@JohannWeiss> If there is no new business, we're back to any further nominations. 21:53 <@JohannWeiss> Then we're done 21:54 <@JohannWeiss> So no motions. 21:54 <@JohannWeiss> Nominations 21:54 <+CraigNobbs> okay... on that note, I'll run for both the president and leader 21:55 <@JohannWeiss> An update: oxpirate has accepted the nomination for President 21:55 <+CraigNobbs> Since I'm highly unlikely to win both (or either), it shouldn't be a problem 21:55 <@JohannWeiss> CraigNobbs will not be able to take both positions, but in the strange event that he wins both, he will have to withdraw from one and it will go to the next candidate in line 21:56 <+CraigNobbs> ... strange indeed. 21:56 <+oxpirate> On the condition that my responsibilities are chairing meetings and preparing the signatures. I will probably require assistance as I have no experience in the area. 21:56 <@JohannWeiss> This isn't clearly stated as allowable in our constitution, but it also isn't stated us not allowed. Does anyone think this would be going against our rules? 21:56 < RL1m> what oxpirate said or CraigNobbs winning both seats? 21:57 <@JohannWeiss> I was referring to Craig 21:57 < RL1m> yeah I think we allowed deferring decision until after they win 21:57 <+JMcleod> if its not stated then its not part of the rules, President makes the call 21:58 <+JMcleod> I agree with w/e JohannWeiss says since hes been acting as president more than I have since November :) 21:58 <@JohannWeiss> (well we sort of have precedent: I was allowed to run for VP while on the Council; when I accepted VP, I resigned from the Council) 21:59 < RL1m> ok I think we have enough to run an election. Just needs acceptance from the rest 21:59 <@JohannWeiss> Final update: 21:59 <+JMcleod> Move to accept nominees as is 21:59 <@JohannWeiss> Leader: Travis, James Wilson, Shawn V, Craig Nobbs 22:00 <@JohannWeiss> Shawn hasn't accepted yet 22:00 <@JohannWeiss> Pres: Philipsjk, CCitizen (unconfirmed), Broken Syntax (unconfirmed), Oxpirate, CraigNobbs 22:00 <@JohannWeiss> Secretary: Ric Lim, Vaugn Male (unconfirmed) 22:00 <@JohannWeiss> Anyone see any mistakes? 22:00 < RL1m> I think TravisMcCrea nominated Sean 22:01 <@JohannWeiss> Damnit I did it again 22:01 < RL1m> so when does the voting starts and when will we have our final list? 22:01 <@JohannWeiss> Pres: Philipsjk, CCitizen (unconfirmed), Broken Syntax (unconfirmed), Oxpirate, CraigNobbs, Shawn V (unconfrimed), Sean                     Hunt (unconfirmed) 22:02 <+phillipsjk> Does this mean I have to visit the forum sometime in the next week? 22:02 <@JohannWeiss> Yes 22:02 < RL1m> I move that voting starts one week after today and final list of candidates will only be those who accepted one day before start of the vote 22:03 <+CraigNobbs> I second 22:03 <+TravisMcCrea> can you amend that to request a forum 22:03 <+TravisMcCrea> to argue our point or whatever? 22:04 <@JohannWeiss> We have a motion on the table and an amendment from Travis 22:04 <@JohannWeiss> his amnedment will need a seconder 22:04 <+CraigNobbs> I already did 22:04 <@JohannWeiss> The amendment 22:04 <+CraigNobbs> oh 22:05 <@JohannWeiss> THe motion is on the table 22:05 <+JMcleod> which forum? 22:05 <+CraigNobbs> that can be made its own motion 22:05 <@JohannWeiss> Yup 22:05 <+JMcleod> i dont get it 22:05 bonsoir 22:05 <+JMcleod> oh hi Sean 22:05 I decline my nomination for President 22:05 <+JMcleod> :( 22:05 who should I check in with 22:05 <+JMcleod> RLim: 22:06 <@JohannWeiss> I'll update the list 22:06 which one? 22:06 <@JohannWeiss> RLim I believe 22:06 < RL1m> RLim 22:06 < RL1m> :P 22:06 <+TravisMcCrea> I respectfully withdraw my amendment and will just raise a new motion. 22:07 <@JohannWeiss> So the main motion is "that voting starts one week after today and final list of candidates will only be those who                     accepted one day before start of the vote" 22:07 <+TravisMcCrea> :P I was hoping to get it amended before anyone seconded it ;) 22:07 <@JohannWeiss> Debate/Discuss 22:07 < RL1m> sorry for the doppleganger 22:08 <+TravisMcCrea> I would like to vote on the motion seeing no one is debating 22:08 <@JohannWeiss> Any objections to voting (60sec)? 22:09 < RL1m> nope 22:09 <+JMcleod> (voice scshunt before vote?) 22:09 <+CraigNobbs> sure 22:10 <@JohannWeiss> Just waiting for scshunt to get voice 22:11 <+JMcleod> RLim: ? 22:11 < RL1m> scshunt can you sent a pm 22:11 < RL1m> id, e-mail> 22:11 < RL1m> ? 22:11 <+JMcleod> crm up btw 22:13 <+adpaolucci> crm has been up for a couple hours 22:13 <@JohannWeiss> okay 22:13 <@JohannWeiss> Seeing none, we are now voting on the main motion "that voting starts one week after today and final list of candidates                     will only be those who accepted one day before start of the vote". Aye = yes, nay = no 22:13 <+JMcleod> aye 22:13 <+adpaolucci> db just needed a reboot 22:13 <+scshunt> aye 22:13 <+TravisMcCrea> aye 22:13 <+CraigNobbs> AYE 22:13 < RL1m> aye 22:13 <+phillipsjk> aye 22:14 <+adpaolucci> nay 22:14 <+oxpirate> aye 22:15 <+pappasadrian> aye 22:15 <+psema4> aye 22:15 <+TravisMcCrea> I move to create a "campaign" forum which can be used for the president, secretary, and leadership races. 22:16 <+CraigNobbs> wait for the voting to be finished 22:16 <+TravisMcCrea> sorry I didn't mean to press enter :P 22:16 <@JohannWeiss> Yeah, slow your horses Travis 22:16 <+TravisMcCrea> :P I am multi-tasking and failing 22:16 <@JohannWeiss> Motion passes: 9 in favour, 1 against, 0 abstain 22:16 <@JohannWeiss> Go ahead Travis 22:17 <+TravisMcCrea> I move to create a "campaign" forum which can be used for the president, secretary, and leadership races. 22:17 <@JohannWeiss> Does he have a seconder? 22:17 <+scshunt> I'm not sure we need a motion for that, but ok 22:17 <+scshunt> if anyone thinks we actually need a motion for this, I'll second 22:17 < RL1m> second 22:17 <@JohannWeiss> Any debate (60sec to speak up)? 22:18 <+JMcleod> Well its not a bad idea to have it motioned but especially for leader it would have been done 22:19 <@JohannWeiss> We are now voting on the main motion: I move to create a "campaign" forum which can be used for the president, secretary, and leadership races. 22:19 <@JohannWeiss> aye = yes, nay = no 22:19 <+TravisMcCrea> aye 22:20 <+phillipsjk> aye 22:20 <+CraigNobbs> aye 22:20 <+JMcleod> aye 22:20 < RL1m> aye 22:20 <+psema4> aye 22:21 <+pappasadrian> aye 22:22 <+adpaolucci> nay 22:22 <+oxpirate> aye 22:22 <@JohannWeiss> Any more votes? 22:22 <+adpaolucci> I guess I'll delay the move of the site :/ 22:22 <+scshunt> aye 22:23 <@JohannWeiss> Motion passes, 9 in favour, 1 opposed, 0 abstain 22:23 < RL1m> adpaolucci: yeah in case Drupal f*up with the move 22:23 <@JohannWeiss> And yes, it would be great if you didn't do the move till after the election 22:23 <+scshunt> I'm kind of sad for doing this, but I move to reconsider the vote we just took, in light of adpao's comment 22:24 <+pappasadrian> second scshunt 22:24 <+TravisMcCrea> That is silly. He can move the website with less than 2 hours of downtime if he does it properly 22:24 <@JohannWeiss> So we are now reconsidering the vote 22:24 <@JohannWeiss> Care to do some considering? 22:25 <+TravisMcCrea> We don't have enough traffic that a 2 hour midnight downtime would be a problem 22:25 <+adpaolucci> TravisMcCrea: would you like to do it? 22:25 < RL1m> he is not that familiar 22:25 < RL1m> and potential for database not syncing with drupal or access problem 22:25 <+scshunt> If we don't get the move done soon we're pushing it back even farther 22:25 <+adpaolucci> there will be no time left to test the new site to make sure everything is working 22:25 <+scshunt> because we need to have the election go on it too 22:26 <+CraigNobbs> how about this: We push back the election for an additional week until after the server move? 22:26 <+adpaolucci> you know what, I dont even care. I'll do it after the elction 22:26 <+adpaolucci> *election 22:26 <+adpaolucci> less of a rush for me 22:26 < RL1m> ok at least wehave a working e-mail now 22:27 <+adpaolucci> More time gives me time to setup something more stable 22:27 <+scshunt> Ok. I'd like to ask for consent to withdraw my motion then 22:27 < RL1m> you can test it first 22:27 <@JohannWeiss> Any objections to withdrawing the motion 22:27 <@JohannWeiss> ? 22:27 <+CraigNobbs> none 22:27 <+pappasadrian> okay from me 22:27 <+psema4> none here 22:28 < RL1m> none 22:28 <@JohannWeiss> ALright 22:28 <@JohannWeiss> We have no motions on the table and no agenda items 22:29 <+TravisMcCrea> Sleep time then? 22:29 <+CraigNobbs> any further discussions? 22:29 <+TravisMcCrea> motion to adjourn 22:29 <+CraigNobbs> if not, I move to adjourne 22:29 < RL1m> motion to sleep 22:29 zzzz.. whuh? seconded 22:30 <+JMcleod> Seems like we'll be adjourning 22:30 <@JohannWeiss> All in favour of adjouring say aye 22:30 <+CraigNobbs> AYE 22:30 <+JMcleod> aye 22:30 < RL1m> aye 22:30 <+psema4> abstain 22:30 aye 22:30 <+oxpirate> aye 22:30 <+JMcleod> Thanks all for getting a 2nd quorum in a row! 22:31 <+psema4> 300 signatures, June 22:31 <+pappasadrian> rlim ran away :D 22:31 <+TravisMcCrea> aye 22:31 <@JohannWeiss> We're adjourned



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