EB 2012-10-21 transcript

 All log times are in Canadian Central Time

18:40 < JohannWeiss> So I'll call the meeting to order at 4:40 PST 18:40 < JohannWeiss> I'll be chairing until Jack shows up 18:40 < JohannWeiss> Ric: You can still keep minutes for this meeting and just upload them once the wiki is working, correct>' 18:41 < JohannWeiss> ? 18:41 < JohannWeiss> And now we're at 5 18:41 I think jakes in the shower, one second 18:42 shawn: #canada-pc too 18:42 < JohannWeiss> We don't have access to the wiki, so the minutes from last week will have to be reviewed and approved next week. 18:42 < RLim> I move that we use a temporally-distributed meeting setup to complement our irc meeting. The system would work like a real-time meeting but in the form of a forum or similar system. It will allow member to participate at their own phase. A discussion or motion could be initiated by any authorized member of the meeting. 18:42 < JohannWeiss> Onto new business 18:42 < JohannWeiss> Could you clarify a bit of that 18:42 < RLim> and seconded by another member and succeeding action similar to a regular meeting 18:43 < JohannWeiss> Specifically: what scope would it affect (Exec, Exec and all sub coms) 18:43 < RLim> there will be a set start date and time and end date and time since the start of the discussion 18:43 < JohannWeiss> What is the solution to quorum? 18:44 < RLim> For EB first and eventually for GM 18:44 < RLim> EB will be normal quorum and GM we might start with usual quorum until a new trend appears then adopt it to average participation rate 18:45 I support the development of this idea, it is a long time coming and it will allow greater mobility 18:45 < RLim> h/t to Kabis for the name temporally-distributed meeting. :) 18:45 < JohannWeiss> Do you have a specific forum or format in mine? 18:45 < JohannWeiss> mind** 18:45 < RLim> Vanilla or a Drupal based comment or blog 18:46 < JohannWeiss> RLim has Moved: that we use a temporally-distributed meeting setup to complement our irc meeting. The system would work like a real-time meeting but in the form of a forum or similar system. It will allow member to participate at their own phase. A discussion or motion could be initiated by any authorized member of the meeting. 18:46 < JohannWeiss> This will be used by the EB and based on a vanilla or a Drupal based comment or blog 18:47 < JohannWeiss> With an end goal of integrating a similar system into the GM meetings 18:47 < RLim> *pace not phase 18:47 < JohannWeiss> Right 18:47 < RLim> sorry 18:47 < JohannWeiss> S'all good 18:47 < JohannWeiss> Anyone want to jump in with questions or comments, do so now 18:48 < JohannWeiss> RLim: I'm absolutely in favour of something like this, but I worry about adding anything new to the IT Com 18:48 < JohannWeiss> Our mainsite has been going through some real difficulties and they need to get fixed ASAP 18:49 < RLim> yeah I can help set it up 18:49 as soon as i got the green light from patrick 18:49 that will go away 18:49 <@CCitizen> What that? 18:49 < RLim> We could start with a separate site 18:49 < JohannWeiss> Yeah 18:49 I'm waiting on you to tell me BMO is paying our people so i can contact Hetzner 18:49 < RLim> I can easily set it up outside our normal server. But would be better to use our own server. Just give me a space 18:49 < JohannWeiss> I was thinking a basic forum could easily be setup somewhere else for us to use temporarily. 18:50 guys, how temporary are we talking about? 18:50 <@CCitizen> I went into BMO... I was trying to see if Jake heard anything back 18:50 <@CCitizen> Either positive or negative 18:50 literally, once we get this payment situation sorted out we can have as many debian servers as you'd like 18:50 to setup whatever you wish 18:51 < RLim> temporary until our server is table and I get a space to install a drupal instance or whatever forum we end up suing 18:51 < RLim> *using 18:51 < JohannWeiss> jhowell: the temp thing would only be if it was needed, if you guys say it'll be fine on our server and wont cause any extra problems, then great 18:51 technically, there's nothing wrong with the host we're using now 18:52 but to add it onto an existing virtual machine is bad idea 18:52 <@CCitizen> Also I think it might be good to come up with our own rules for the distributed meetings perhaps using RONR as a guideline 18:52 and its something we'll just have to re-import into the new host later. 18:52 < JohannWeiss> jhowell: so what's your opinion on how we should do it? Set something up elsewhere to test until we're on the new host? 18:53 < RLim> well not necessarily CCitizen, as long as we meet the goal of RONR, which are: only one person speak at a time (no problem with a forum), topic is only discussed once - start and end time and being in a thread of its own could take care of the concern on why that's necessary 18:53 1- how long will it take to source out a new temporary place 18:53 2- how long will it take to build 18:53 3- ETA on BMO sorting their stuff out 18:53 < RLim> if we use Vanilla, it would take me few minutes 18:54 < RLim> A separate Drupal instance for blog, maybe half a day 18:54 a few minutes.. we're basically going to scrap everything we have and not import new data? 18:54 <@CCitizen> Well #3 will probably make #1 and #2 moot 18:54 <@CCitizen> if it's already set up and Jake can do the setup stuff now 18:54 3 will. but only *if* it does 18:54 < RLim> we can keep it in minutes so not as crucial if the temp site is scrap 18:54 <@CCitizen> I already went into BMO 18:55 < JohannWeiss> CCitizen: Regarding RRoR, I'm thinking it will mostly be creating some basic guidelines and figuring out how the 'chair' should deal with it 18:55 Yeah, i know but that was a week ago? its gonna take them..5 business days? 10? 15? 18:55 < JohannWeiss> And, yes, RLim, we should continue with normal minutes. Maybe get together like we've been doing on Sundays to formalize them untill we have a good system working 18:56 < JohannWeiss> RLim: Do you have any ideas on where to set this up? 18:56 < RLim> http://www.ehow.com/facts_5923175_purpose-robert_s-rules-order.html 18:56 < RLim> I have a server I could use 18:56 < RLim> basically any forum would do. 18:57 -!- AndChat|601929 [~AndChat60@184.70.sv.hir] has joined #canada-meetings 18:57 -!- AndChat|601929 is now known as jake 18:57 < RLim> like with irc, all contents are gone after the meeting. It's the transcript and minutes that becomes the official record 18:57 <@CCitizen> Yay Jake 18:58 <@CCitizen> Did you hear anything from BMO? Good or bad? 18:58 < RLim> Jake, any idea where our wiki server is located? It's gone missing. :P 18:58 < RLim> I can set it up here temporarily 18:58 < RLim> http://riclim.com/forum/ 18:58 < RLim> or setup a Drupal 18:59 < RLim> but might not have syncing of user access so we have to kind of use temporary access code sent out via e-mail 18:59 Wiki no idea 18:59 Remix gov is setup 18:59 i may or may not be available for wednesday's meeting as I'll be running a rollout project starting next week. If I may, I request a simple forum feature request---being able to reply to posts you are subscribed to, from your email. 19:00 I'll see if we can do it 19:00 Rlim, folder is /var/remgov 19:01 Shared user table with pirateparty.ca 19:01 < RLim> yeah we are waiting for new server before setting up my access 19:01 Ah, k 19:01 < RLim> any word from BMO? 19:01 Well, you can work on the front end 19:01 No, should find out tomorrow 19:02 i'm not at a place to install the pub key but if you are Jake, I can send it over to you. 19:02 < RLim> yeah I guess PC have to decide on guideline and what art work if any would go there 19:02 Howell, if you can do it quick 19:02 done 19:02 K 19:04 < JohannWeiss> Shawn: did you catch that about the artwork? 19:04 yep 19:05 we're going tohave to do a distributed pc meeting too I think 19:05 I've got some artists lined up for some potential posters/ sharable images 19:05 < RLim> we should start using pgp for our e-mail 19:05 < RLim> or gpg 19:05 we are yet to decide the overall structure of the PR 19:06 < RLim> maybe we'll discuss this on Wednesday's meeting 19:06 baby steps 19:06 first--working email 19:06 then 19:06 improved 19:06 < RLim> but the original simple front page we were thinking of 19:06 < RLim> won't need drupal 19:06 < JohannWeiss> RLim: Thinking about it more and realizing there are probably a lot of procedural tidbits to work out for this temporally-distributed meetings 19:06 < RLim> but Jake another option other than Vanilla is using Drupal and blog feature 19:06 < RLim> then we can use View to play around with random list etc 19:07 < JohannWeiss> I'll send an email to the exec to create an account on your forum and we can start having a discussion over the next week on how all those details 19:07 < JohannWeiss> will work 19:07 < RLim> yeah 19:07 < JohannWeiss> Then maybe next Sunday make it official and conduct proper business their 19:07 < JohannWeiss> Sounds good? 19:07 < RLim> yep 19:08 < RLim> although we can still use IRC if it's a real-time meeting 19:08 < RLim> but the forum type meeting will compliment the real-time and make things flow faster 19:09 < JohannWeiss> Yeah 19:09 < RLim> so do we make it 5 days from initiation of a topic? 19:09 < JakeDaynesPPCA1> okay - ric, knock on 70.38.74.90 and then ssh 19:09 <@CCitizen> I think we need to work with both and come up with our own rules really 19:09 < JohannWeiss> I'm in favour of continueing to meet once a week, but to allow business to happen the rest of the week as well 19:10 <@CCitizen> that works good too 19:10 < JohannWeiss> There's an error in signing up for your forum 19:10 < JohannWeiss> recaptcha 19:10 <@CCitizen> we should also try setting up a mumble server when we switch providers 19:10 yep 19:10 unless of course 19:11 we can decide to just use the pirateparty int'l mumble servers 19:11 < JohannWeiss> I think that would be better 19:11 as do i 19:11 < JohannWeiss> We don't want to have all our commmunication ability on the same server, in case of server issues 19:12 yuh huh! and also, less turn over for setting it up (properly) 19:12 <@CCitizen> yeah that works too 19:15 < JohannWeiss> So do we want to vote on this motion now or wait till next week? I'd rather get more details worked out, personally 19:15 < JakeDaynesPPCA1> +1 19:15 < JakeDaynesPPCA1> I'm going to a dinner shortly, but I agree with Johann on this 19:19 < RLim> let me fix that recaptcha 19:19 < JakeDaynesPPCA1> jhowell: Ric's key is uploaded, but for some reason he's getting permission denied (publickey) 19:20 hm 19:20 going to chalk it up to user error, or a missed step on ours 19:20 < JakeDaynesPPCA1> Should be as simple as adduser Rlim 19:21 < JakeDaynesPPCA1> and then create .ssh and copy the key there with the name authorized_keys 19:21 < JohannWeiss> Does anyone else have more business? 19:21 < JakeDaynesPPCA1> I've got to go to dinner 19:22 < JohannWeiss> ALright 19:22 < JohannWeiss> We'll email you if anything comes up that needs your attention 19:22 < JakeDaynesPPCA1> okay 19:22 something...like.. adding him to the.. wheel group or something 19:22 i have to look at it myself 19:22 i will do so when i can 19:23 < Wilson> yo 19:23 < JohannWeiss> We certainly need to deal with the issues surrounding our GM's failing to meet. I feel like the IT discussion and the Temporally Distributed Meetings (TDM) are addressing that and that we need to see if they work or not 19:24 < RLim> can you post that motion again for Wilson 19:24 < RLim> ^ jhowell 19:24 < RLim> i mean JohannWeiss 19:24 < JohannWeiss> RLim has Moved: that we use a temporally-distributed meeting setup to complement our irc meeting. The system would work like a real-time meeting but in the form of a forum or similar system. It will allow member to participate at their own phase. A discussion or motion could be initiated by any authorized member of the meeting. 19:25 < JohannWeiss> This will be used by the EB and based on a vanilla or a Drupal based comment or blog. With an end goal of integrating a similar system into the GM meetings 19:25 < JohannWeiss> Minus the spelling mistke 19:26 < JohannWeiss> Yeah, so Wilson that's what we've discussed so far 19:27 < Wilson> ah k. I like ther idea of testing it on the EB before trying it with the GM. 19:27 < JohannWeiss> We're going to use RLim's forum until our server is ready for it. We'll be working on the details over the next week on said forum and formalize some rules at next weeks meeting 19:27 < JohannWeiss> Assuming we've worked them out 19:28 < JohannWeiss> riclim.com/forum/ 19:28 < JohannWeiss> Wilson: kudos for getting something posted to our main page 19:30 < Wilson> @Johann, it was actually sitting on the site from a week before. Confounded technology... 19:30 < RLim> JohannWeiss: Wilson shawn jhowell CCitizen it should work now if you want to try it out 19:32 < JohannWeiss> Seems to be working, made a post 19:33 < Wilson> also posted 19:33 < JohannWeiss> I'll email the exec for anyone who isn't here and invite the PC to the discussion as well. 19:33 < JohannWeiss> Sounds like they'll be interested in using it too 19:35 <@CCitizen> Cool 19:37 < JohannWeiss> Emailed 19:37 < Wilson> So, shall we vote on the motion proposed? 19:39 < JohannWeiss> I had suggested we wait until next week when we have a set of forum rules to explain how we will proceed 19:39 < JohannWeiss> At present I'm not even sure it would count as a valid motion with a strict view of RRoR 19:40 < JohannWeiss> Motions aren't meant to be up to interpretation at all, so it needs to be specific 19:40 < Wilson> ok makes sense 19:41 < JohannWeiss> Anymore business tonight?? 19:42 once we have fund access, I'd like to do a run of shirts and stickers 19:42 < JohannWeiss> Yes 19:43 < JohannWeiss> That's still the BMO issue, right? 19:43 no motion on that yet though 19:43 yeah, its getting better though 19:43 I understand it shall be dealt with soon 19:43 < Wilson> How much is in the fund(if we know)? 19:44 last i recall it was a little under 7K 19:44 < Wilson> ok. What t-shirt and sticker designs did you have in mind? 19:45 < RLim> yes I was wondering about the shirts 19:45 < RLim> did Travis order shirts also or is it just books 19:45 < RLim> ? 19:45 < JohannWeiss> Going to get some purple ones? 19:45 I think travis's order is dead 19:45 books too 19:45 they were too expensive 19:46 < RLim> I went to a t-shirt printing place here in Winnipeg and while there I asked about purple hoodies and stuff 19:46 I think purple shirts with the logo would be nice 19:46 < RLim> it would cost about 6.20 for order of 25-72 plus cost of the shirt 19:47 stickers I was imagining some various logos, and a few slogans like "my right to learn > your right to earn" "sharing is caring 19:47 " etc 19:47 my computer is busted so I need to get on jakes one of these days and do some sticker mock-ups 19:47 < Wilson> I'd be against "my right to learn > your right to earn" as it sets up an unneccessary conflict 19:48 we'll talk about it later when we have the designs, but it was a popular image on facebook and the forums 19:49 < Wilson> hmm. Facebook can still do polls right? 19:49 we can suss it out later, i see where your concern is coming from though. :) 19:49 yep, good idea, once we get the designs together we can do some informal polling and see which stickers people most want to get 19:49 < JohannWeiss> Good call 19:51 < JohannWeiss> Shall I call this meeting to a close? 19:51 < Wilson> 1 more thing 19:51 < JohannWeiss> Shoot 19:52 < JohannWeiss> (I was only suggesting to close it cause discussion was petering out) 19:52 < Wilson> Can we send out a final call for candidates in the by-election over email? The whole list this time. 19:54 < Wilson> *by-elections 19:54 < JohannWeiss> I've got nothing against that, but I don't know what's going on with our mail lists right now. Are they working properly? 19:55 yes 19:55 just make sure Jake tells you how to use them 19:56 < Wilson> ^On that note, it shouldn't be me sending it out. the email system still confuses me 19:56 < JohannWeiss> Is this an issue that needs voting on or can we just accept it. It sounds like standard business 19:56 < JohannWeiss> Maybe ask Shawn to do it, assuming he's willing? 19:57 I've never done a mailout yet 19:57 < RLim> mailing list is working fine. I can show you how to sent one 19:57 < RLim> but the token does not seem to be working 19:57 < RLim> member ID did not show 19:57 < RLim> my mistakes. I should have removed them when it did not show up on the test e-mail 19:58 < RLim> althoug member name works 19:58 < RLim> *although 19:59 < Wilson> I think a motion is needed to send out a call for candidates but otherwise, yes, it is standard business 20:00 < Wilson> ...and that sentence is contridictory 20:00 < JohannWeiss> Wilson has moved: That we send out a final call for candidates in the by-election over email The whole list. 20:01 < JohannWeiss> Any debate or can we just move to a vote? 20:02 < RLim> Is that PC or EB? 20:02 < Wilson> (by-election should be plural but otherwise no) internal communication is EB 20:02 < JohannWeiss> Well we can vote on it and if there's an issue then it'll just get nullified, no biggy 20:04 < JohannWeiss> Voting on the current motion, all in favour say aye, all against say new 20:04 < JohannWeiss> nay** 20:04 < Wilson> aye 20:04 < JohannWeiss> aye 20:05 < RLim> aye 20:06 < JohannWeiss> The motion has passed 20:07 < JohannWeiss> Any more business? 20:09 < JohannWeiss> Move to adjourn the meeting 20:10 < Wilson> seconded 20:10 < JohannWeiss> Vote 20:10 < JohannWeiss> aye 20:10 < Wilson> aye 20:11 < JohannWeiss> RLim, shawn jhowell 20:12 < RLim> aye 20:12 < JohannWeiss> Meeting adjourned



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