GM 2013-10-16 transcript

 HTTPS://piratepad.ca/p/October_16_Agenda should we get started? yes Indubidibly. who's voicing?  S'il vous plait. not sure who is doing voicing. who can? If we are going to limit meetings to an hour, we should really start on time.  CC? CCitizen: ?  Haven't seen him speak yet.  Usually Ric voices but he doesn't appear to be here. I think he is busy.  k  phillipsjk: Care to be the one to start us off? I don't have the DB. Anyway does everybody like the agenda? Anyway, while we figure this out, FYI, while the meeting is in session, all irrelevant chatting should happen in #canada-riffraff i'm okay with the agenda  Same How many poeple are here? one aye  aye  present  Aye Aye  aye +1 (8 so far) aye should we start hl-ing people? trailblazer: say aye >#canada< The meeting is getting underway FYI, I need to be out of here by 2100hrs EST (1800hrs PST) aaye 10 quorum :D actually .. switching quorum is 15 oh  aye (don't count that again)  a FB post was put up about the meeting. How about twitter? Well, thanks for coming everybody. Should we do informal meeting?  I saw the FB post, got me in here. Wilson: I did Wilson, I've been tweeting from my account; i don't have the ppca password anymore :( diasp also although probably not a lot of traffic there  psema4: I can give it to you <Wilson> psema4, when did you lose access to that? RLim: thx Wilson: several months ago; was supposed to get it again last month but it didn't happen. RLim: can you do voicing, to count how many we are? <Broken_Syntax> (Hobo, add in your count.) also, can someone do a scripted mass highlight? <Wilson> But anyways. I was told there may be questions for me as the new interim leader. So if people want to ask while we scroung up more people, ask away. :) here 12? <RLim> ok <RLim> msg me Wilson: Do you have a particular vision you'd like to share? +1 <RLim> name and e-mail? <RLim> let me know if you recently signed up <RLim> anyone taking minutes? <RLim> pm your name and e-mail to get voiced >#canada< /msg RLim with your name and e-mail to get voiced redwire please /msg Rlim your name and e-mail for voice. <Wilson> Well, I'm very focused on increasing involvement. We have been working with a skeleton crew (no pun) for the last year with few new people stepping forward. The membership drive and recent call out for volunteers has increased that somewhat and I'd like to focus on it more. As well, I'd like there to be fewer missed oppurtunities. Realistically we should be able to comment on most stories within a day or two. I'd very much also like us to start looking ahead <Broken_Syntax> +v? <DataPacRat> Wilson: Is there any particular aspect of the press/journosphere you're focusing on? /msg Broken_Syntax he's giving "voices" to all the members who send name and email and are a member. AFAIK. <Broken_Syntax> Uhm... I'm sure you mean RLim :P I don't have @ We actually sent a press release yesterday! <Broken_Syntax> Oops, did I leave myself logged in at work? :( Looks like it <darknyan-> Hello <Wilson> Recently I've looked more at blogs. The Inside Politics blog and Pundit's Guide have given us the most coverage this year. Approaching people informally has actually been more effective than sending out press releases :/ <darknyan-> I am very busy at this moment but i will observe.  once again, for newcomers, /msg RLim your name and email to get voiced <RLim> darknyan-: message your e-mail and name <MononcQc> oh hey I forgot to auth <CraigNobbs> It's kinda funny, but did anyone check to see if this user RLim is actually Ric?   XD <Wilson> While I'd like to think campus papers would be more promising of a target. They don't seem to take an interest unless there is already someone on campus writing for the paper. He actually has that name registered. <RLim> check now :P <Broken_Syntax> j/k <Wilson> I believe we have 15 Can't we trust people not to be dicks? :) <Maverick> ^ haha no <Wilson> This is the internet... CCitizen and Travis are not talking. <Wilson> They're just shy  :P It's to be expected there would be trolls on the internet, and dicks.  :p <Maverick> Dicks of more than one variety <Broken_Syntax> RLim, did you miss hobo? <Maverick> The internet is for porn ya know <RLim> can't find him  <RLim> waiting for his response that happened last time >.< <DataPacRat> Wilson: (While we're still informal) Any thoughts on ties with other pirate parties? Wilson besides what was written in your blog post, is there something else we as a party should know about this leadership transition? Doesn't matter, I don't need voice  Wait, a response to what? I didn't get anything back unless you sent an email Nobody else? Is Travis_McCrea awake? aouhrahu, if you are a member, /msg Rlim your name and e-mail for voice. <RLim> when did you sign up superhobo666 <RLim> ? <Broken_Syntax> He signed up in the spring. <Wilson> chadkoh: Honestly I wish the party knew who I was a bit better before this happened. Partly thats my own fault for sticking to the sidelines too often. I intend to take the party to the next leadership election and hand it off in the same, or better, shape then it is now. <Broken_Syntax> Probably a month before I sent in the load from Simcoe County. <Broken_Syntax> You've always been alright to me. Yeah, they didn't find me at the last meeting I came to either. lol +Wilson, would you be willing to do a fireside chat on camera? Either by on of our press offices (?) or by an external party? Even with superhobo, but discounting CCitizen and Travis_McCrea we are 1 short. <Broken_Syntax> Jordan Simpson, some address in London, ON because he moved there for some reason. <Mordecai> what's this about simcoe county? Honestly, given Canada Posts quality I wouldn't be at all surprised if my application got lost in the mail. <Broken_Syntax> They lose everything. <Wilson> DataPacRat: If ties with the PPs are useful and help us spread our message then I'm all for keeping ties with them. If they are a distraction or harm the movement then no we should go our own way. In either case all PPs should endevour to be able to stand on their own two feet. <Broken_Syntax> Mordecai, I am in Simcoe County, as are about 15-20 applications I sent in when we were rushing for signees. Len and I are from Simcoe County, but I live in London now <Mordecai> Oh cool. I'm in simcoe county too. I don't think anybody else is showing up. Cool, whereabouts? <Mordecai> Barrie. <Broken_Syntax> Super, move this to riffraff <Broken_Syntax> or priv Right, my bad. <DataPacRat> Wilson: What would you say 'our message' is? webchat_6063, if you are a member, please /msg RLim your name and e-mail for voice. Ok, Informal meeting I guess Wilson what are the plans for the vacancies on the PC? One more casualty and we will have an election on our hands~@� <darknyan-> That is ibcluding me or not? <Broken_Syntax> How many of us are left? darknyan, you are voices, superhobo666 is not. <RLim> found a cheque on those piles of opened envelopes <darknyan-> I meant the pc issue <RLim> if anyone have not seen their cheques cashed yet let me know. everything should be deposited by now. only one return that I can see Yes darknyan- Wilson: I know you've been around for a while... when did you join? >RLim< no more people? <RLim> ? <Wilson> DataPacRat: The core Pirate values of intellectual property reform, open & transparent government and net neutrality of course is part of it. An expanded platform that is supported by the membership is also part of it. If you're talking fundamentally I'd personally say our message is about representing Canadians without undue influence from others, about getting rid of this divisive idea that left and right need always be opposed. Truthfully, Travis had visio <Wilson> pragmatic. <Wilson> psema4: During the 2011 federal election <Wilson> chadkoh: As you said, one more vacancy and we have a by-election. I can't say that would be a bad thing. The last one did bring in a number of people. So if we end up needing one I choose to see it as an opportunity I think we should move on to Officers reports, even if this is appears to be an informal meeting. Doesn't Brent joining give us enough people? Or are we still short? <Wilson> I'm all for that. DataPacRat left <Broken_Syntax> (( I have at least one more member on their way in.) <DatapacRat> (Slight connection troubles. Trying to reconnect.) <Wilson> I should also note I may disconnect at times too. <Wilson> and I believe we have quorum until rekabis leaves in 15 mins Ok, Officers reports then. first do I have a motion to approve the last minutes (or is that too bureaucratic?) I'll move to approve the minutes from the last meeting seconded any second (who was present) I was only there for about half of it. Sorry.  The motion is to approve the last minutes. any discussion? (they are a little long) <Wilson> (Off-topic: Since we *need* to send a copy of the motion to elections canada about the leadership change we should get to that before rekabis leaves) <Broken_Syntax> (Fair) sounds good All in favor of the minutes say aye, else nay <DatapacRat> Aye aye <BrentSchaffrick> aye <Broken_Syntax> aye aye <Mordecai> aye aye <Broken_Syntax> (( Once more for anyone new who didn't see the link: https://piratepad.ca/p/October_16_Agenda)) <Wilson> aye <webchat_4151> aye carried. aye Wilson can you state you motion please? (I thought the leadership change was automatic) <Wilson> Motion to accept Travis McCrea's resignation as leader and the appointment of James Wilson as interim leader as per the party constitution <BrentSchaffrick> I second that second <Wilson> (Resignations have to be accepted by the general meeting) Any discussion? <BrentSchaffrick> I hope he feels better soon I think we all do. <Wilson> I think we all do <Wilson> -_- Safe assumption all in favor say "aye" else "nay" aye aye <BrentSchaffrick> aye <DatapacRat> aye Aye <CraigNobbs> AYE aye Aye <Mordecai> aye <Broken_Syntax> aye Carried. aye Now officers reports? wait trailblazer doesn't have voice >.> go ahead <RLim> bank statement $6,991.70 <RLim> that's after paying our auditor for long outstanding bill from 2011 return <RLim> $574.88 and the just submitted 2012 return $1,149.75 <RLim> only one return cheque so far <RLim> have not checked Paypal. Should not have change much <Wilson> RLim: Have you gotten word on any final things Travis had to submit (you mentioned a signature at one point)? Is our EC audit completely behind us? <RLim> Wilson have to submit change of address but I guess he can include that in change of leadership <Wilson> ok <RLim> Another major expenses to report on <RLim> We have received the invoice from our former IT <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/invoice117.pdf omg if i may comment $30 to reboot a webserver? <Broken_Syntax> (Well itemized) <RLim> He is claiming about 58 hours of work "reboot webserver" I calculate about 50 hours. Some was expenses Not the cheapest guy I know... ;-) psema4, he is required to bill at commercial rates. Which is appartently $60/hr phillipsjk: I've been doing this stuff for 10 years. This is no rate I've ever heard of the hour claims are absurd too <BrentSchaffrick> Agreed. Local IT in Edmonton is $35 an hour, plus travel <Broken_Syntax> $60 is a competitive rate. Wow Brent really? He a third of us in Kelowna <BrentSchaffrick> Ya, if you go with small IT providers <RLim> He claim they are charging $60 per hour <DatapacRat> How would we go about looking for different IT provider price quotes? <Broken_Syntax> And at work we charge $105 on contract $125 off. $60/h doesn't seem outrageous to me Most places in Kelowna also charge $60/hr onsite. Some up to $120 <BrentSchaffrick> It isn't outrageous, but it isn't best value for $ either <Broken_Syntax> But yeah, at $60 I expect professionals. Around 3700$ for few months of maintenance. Where are the servers now? OVH, Montreal <RLim> Going forward. we will ask any volunteer sys admin to acknowledge they are doing it as volunteer up to maximum allowed then they have to get approval before doing more 60/hour is okay. what he managed to do in those hours, though <RLim> we are paying for the server <RLim> his bill is just for his IT workj 2 hours for purchase of ssl <RLim> *admin work Anwho, the point is, do we have recourse? or do we HAVE to pay him out? I'm sorry... "external outgoing SMTP" at $10/mo?? What is this, 1997? options? I suppose that's the main expense for the party... <Broken_Syntax> It is good form to pay. We can debate particulars though I imagine. <RLim> biggest expense ever by far (that I'm aware of anyway) Those number are estimates because he was apparently doing thing "off the books". We may be able to dispute some of them. A lot of these entries are nuts. I have been IT for over 15 years, and I would never charge these prices for those tasks. <Broken_Syntax> 647... Toronto NPA. I second rekabis. rekabis, that is probably sendgrid. <Broken_Syntax> So yeah, he is very competitive for the area. <RLim> that will bring our party's cash balance down to $2,741.60 <RLim> approximately If the servers are in Montreal, why do we need to pay a high-rate guy in Toronto? <Broken_Syntax> But as many are pointing out, it is the time taken on tasks. <Mozart> In a party full of IT-literate personnel, it seems odd to pay for IT staff. <RLim> It's hard to get people to volunteer. And he was enthusiastic in volunteering Mozart: Part of the issue is we can't use our day-to-day skills... it counts as a donation to the party. <RLim> or so I thought should we form a commitee to estimate how long the itemized tasks should have taken? <Wilson> Mozart: Had to since its his profession. Blame EC if we had more volunteers we wouldnt have to pay Okay, gotta run. My time at work is up. I will leave this chat window open to see tomorrow what happens, but I'm blowing this taco stand. Sorry, stayed as long as I could but the place is shutting down and I don't have keys or alarm codes. <Broken_Syntax> psema4, what is our maximum allowable donation? 1200 I like the idea of a commitee psema4: i for example am not professional it so i guess my contribution would count as .. idk hobby? Keep me in mind for I.T. volunteers. I am professional IT <Mozart> Don't get IT professionals then. Broken_Syntax: i don't recall. when we first found out though I calculated my maximum yearly donation as 20 hours work :( <Broken_Syntax> Pappas, if I send you a document to work form, do you think you could fill out an IT network overview? <RLim> so we should assign someone to head the committee but preferably appoint all members now <Broken_Syntax> from* i suppose <RLim> we can use IT professionals but their hours will quickly reach $1,200 <Broken_Syntax> Having it available would allow any of the party members with IT skills to be picked up for volunteer hours as needed based on your approval. pappasadrian: that was exactly my reading. if you don't do something day-to-day, volunteer to do so in IT <Mozart> Get them to discount the rate. <DatapacRat> RLim: Would the committee's members be the ones to do the work, or to decide what work to hire? <Mozart> 12 month 90% discounts. <RLim> they will report back <RLim> we can have them report back by a certain date to EB Mozart Elections Canada rules nevertheless, the more IT people, the more chaotic the server they have to charge "commercial" rates <RLim> or I thought we are talking about committee to review the invoice <RLim> we can dispute the hours I gues <RLim> *guess Mozart 90% discounts are not allowed. I think a commitee for the Invoice would be a good start <Mozart> Companies aren't allowed to give discounts? <BrentSchaffrick> I wonder if we can talk with elections canada about that after we deal with the invoice we can discuss future IT needs. <BrentSchaffrick> IT is a pretty broad field We cannot reduce the rate, but maybe we can ask to review the invoiced hours? <DatapacRat> carldebilly: That sounds like a good start. <BrentSchaffrick> If I do coding for a living, and run webservers as a hobby, I should be able to doneate time <Broken_Syntax> Exactly, the hours can be discussed, the rate is fiar. <Broken_Syntax> fair ^ <RLim> yeah BrentSchaffrick but that would go as non-monetary contribution <RLim> which is non taxable <Broken_Syntax> Well pappas, I have this one Windows 2003 SBS server on fairly old hardware, and before we added 16GB of RAM to it... <RLim> non-tax deductible Maybe half hour incrments are a minimum for service? That seems like something I wouldn't even bother restarting, depending on the age of the hardware. <Broken_Syntax> superhobo666: that was my thought. Er, bother charging for I certainly wouldn't charge a client to reboot their webserver. that's not competitve, that's being a dick Yep So, can we move to form a committee to review the hours? yes can they form later? or do we have to do it now? <RLim> we need at least chairman and due date to report back Wait do we have quorum? <RLim> but if we can assign members now too. Or will be very hard for the chairman to get people We should probably get it dealt with sooner rather than later. 14 <DatapacRat> Still have 17 people, including our 2 silents, so that's 15 - still quorum, yes? Am I being counted? <RLim> they gave us 30 days to pay <Mordecai> I counted 15 rekabis is gone o/ <Mordecai> oh true superhobo666, no. <RLim> thor is in :) <Broken_Syntax> :( Ok, sencond for the motion? <RLim> Broken_Syntax: can you guarantee superhobo666 is a member :P <RLim> ? <Broken_Syntax> (If we could take CC I'd pay hobo's dues right now .)) second I'll second <RLim> it's not about dues Hello CCitizen? Here mate? Don't worry about it Syntax <Broken_Syntax> (( But yes, Hobo sent in his mail during the free-member drive) I'm not on the roster since my app didn't make it in <RLim> we have lots of scan document still needs to be entered if anyone wants to volunteer <RLim> superhobo666 form might be there I will assume superhobo666 is a member,I guess. RLim: send whatever you want my way I can always fill out a new form if the one I sent in doesn't turn up. <Wilson> A motion was seconded. Can it be restated? it'll probably take about 10 minutes to finish whatever you send me, just for the record. no matter the amount Where did darknyan go? what is the motion? Motion: can we move to form a committee to review the hours? he was here a moment ago <Broken_Syntax> Real name Jordan Simpson age 22 any discussion of the motion? He told us when he came in that he might have to leave I approve this motion. he has shoddy internet so he may have lost connection as said, we need to have a chairman <ChauffeR> hi Broken_Syntax for the committee <Broken_Syntax> Hi ChauffeR and a deadline We need a chairman to report for the next GM so, +1 @ RLim <ChauffeR> do you know who I am Broken_Syntax <BrentSchaffrick> give him a few to get back then if he has a bad connection when is the date of the next GM? <RLim> chadkoh: might have to be earlier than that since they gave 30 days <RLim> just report to EB? <DatapacRat> The invoice is dated the 16th <titegtnodI> I'm here now! :D K. Report by Nov 1st <Broken_Syntax> RLim: That's better. titegtnodI is one of the ones I personally collected and sent in that gives 2 weeks next meeting is the 20th Does the committee chair need to be from PC or EB? <Wilson> no <ChauffeR> hi titegtnodI psema4: not necessarily, i suppose <ChauffeR> I'm canadian now titegtnodI <titegtnodI> Hello! Oh, that's new. Chauffer, please take general chat to #canada-riffraff thanks hobo. You're welcome. <Broken_Syntax> Okay quorum is back on track. <MononcQc> woo Do we need a motion to continue? <DatapacRat> Any volunteers to chair the IT-hours committee? I think people want a chair for the committee <RLim> maybe someone who do this for a living? <Broken_Syntax> 2 weeks? yep gather a posse <Broken_Syntax> Alright, I'm PC, I'll step up. I'll volunteer if there are no others make a proposal lol. k, I'll step back then <Broken_Syntax> psema4: I'll appreciate you as a deputy then? What is exactly the tasks? Contact the guy and negotiate the invoiced hours? Broken_Syntax: sure Motion: can we move to form a committee to review the hours? task = review the hours and make a counter proposal <Broken_Syntax> Alright motion reads: Have a committee chaired by Leonard Parker to review the hours of the IT Administration terms, due to have findings in a fortnight. "and to report the findings to the eb"? report to EB all in favor say aye, else say nay. <RLim> add report date AYE Aye. aye aye <DatapacRat> Aye RLim: fortnight oops (jumped the gun) counting from today i suppose <RLim> aye <BrentSchaffrick> aye <Broken_Syntax> Report date would litterally be 14 days from now, or the 30th. <Broken_Syntax> aye carried. <RLim> yeah sorry missed that We promised to announce our new sysadmin, OO-Dragon or Chad E. announced in absentia <Broken_Syntax> (( I would appreciate if anyone willing to include input send me their contact info in a msg) <RLim> and IT director is now EB. The lan is to have several sys admin so that we don't reach the limit rightaway. Plus if someone is unreachable, someone else can step in <RLim> *plan <RLim> speaking of Ah, good timing Dragon awesome timing <OO-Dragon> sorry every oen <OO-Dragon> ...WAY too much work going on. also clients server went down, <OO-Dragon> so ... what i miss? :P <Broken_Syntax> You were just introduced. <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/invoice117.pdf <Broken_Syntax> Also this. ^^ we were just announcing your new position. <OO-Dragon> o coolies <OO-Dragon> sysadmin right? yup. <OO-Dragon> also what is the invoice for? Previous sysadmin. <OO-Dragon> hmm there a better one that shows what was done? Open it in another reader <RLim> Andrew's Like Foxit I had the problem where nothing would show up in the browser reader earlier <OO-Dragon> ahh there we go we can catch OO-Dragon up later. While we have quorum, are there any other motions? <Broken_Syntax> I filled OO-Dragon in via priv <RLim> any Drupal guru or not so guru. We could use your help. also php <Broken_Syntax> titegtnodI: <Wilson> Inquiry: how many PC members do we have here? chadkoh has been working hard on the wiki, I gave him the LIbrarian title. <Broken_Syntax> PC <RLim> chadkoh: can we use the php with side bar on Drupal? <RLim> I guess we can discuss later Wilson: +1 IT volunteers PM OO-Dragon RLim phillipsjk or me <Wilson> Just a reminder that the PC needs to select a deputy leader just in case I get hit by a bus. In old business the skeleton forum is mentioned at https://my.pirateparty.ca We did not make any progress on Bitcoin yet. Any new business people want to discuss? <Wilson> I believe two things are on the agenda for new business phillipsjk: what was supposed to happen with bitcoin? EB was supposed to discuss it. okay if you need help setting something up, let me know but it's fairly easy Are we still looking for volunteer design work? <Wilson> always If you can theme Drupal for sure <OO-Dragon> as far as durpal goes, I can look over some documentation on my time and figure it out more so. As far as running it, it should'nt be a problem, but if you want to do some custom edits to the theme's or what not, you'll have to find some one else for that <Broken_Syntax> Is our infrastructure virtual? but current volunteer lists are imporatant Alright. I'm not a professional, but I took graphic design courses in highschool. I may be able to assist with design work at some point <Wilson> The answer to "are we looking for volunteers?" will be "always". Our infrastructure is a series of VMs stringed together. ++ I still have the list from last meeting I was wondering if people want to adjourn due to the time, or press on. <Broken_Syntax> darknyan: excellent. So a designer could conceivably have a VM to work from. I'm fine with continuin <Wilson> I have youtube, press on. or we could adjourn and continue the discussion? any other official business? Should we have a motion to continue? yeah After Effects or graphic artist needed also., <OO-Dragon> Broken_Syntax, to an extent... the VM's are restricted to the avalible resources on the server We need to make infographic or promo videos for youtube @broken_syntax yes ser yee phillipsjk: there's still new items on the agenda (confirmation wrt special rules of order, meeting length) <OO-Dragon> Broken_Syntax, what would you want a vm for any who? just a web server to try stuff out on? <Broken_Syntax> OO-Dragon: I was thinking of an export to external hard-drive and posted to the designer. Many designers available, not all are skilled in Drupal specifically, and I'm sure they would like to work without fearing that they break stuff.) <Wilson> Anyone interested in volunteering should contact info@pirateparty.ca so we can put you to work ;) ++ <Broken_Syntax> OO-Dragon: You're quick. even if you have just a little bit of time. Maybe you can do a little bit we can talk about the HOW at an IT meeting <Broken_Syntax> aye in the meantime~@� VOLUNTEER if someone has an idea, too Next order of biz phillipsjk? for a graphic or video or whatever that's also a way of volunteering Okay, I added the item about meeting length. Anybody want to make a motion about that (or skip it)? do we want to crowdsource a press release about the European trade agreement ? <Broken_Syntax> Review: Agenda approve, meeting minutes approved, Travis stepping down announced, Wilson taking reigns. IT Put forth volunteer proposal and called for assistance. trailblazer: I brought that up in the past, general assessment was that we were'nt interested. good to hear I'm not alone :) about TPPA and CETA? <Broken_Syntax> Committee to review IT Invoice set-on-task. trailblazer: yes - on old forums etherpad crowdsourced texts are fun i suppose <Broken_Syntax> psema4: was it set as a no because there was much out there already? Or lack of interest? hmm doesn't it have provision that affects our core issues ?  you could use the new forum to collaborate <Broken_Syntax> It does. looks like we are discussing the volunteer roles item. That can go on for a while. yeah we can wrap up since looks like it is mostly discussion now but we might lose people once we adjourn <OO-Dragon> I have to go any way what about confirming the special rules? <OO-Dragon> busy busy... Does anybody want to make a motion about the special rules? The concern seems to be that there is no IT director. <OO-Dragon> anything you guys need to mention right now before I go? <Broken_Syntax> One thing I'd like to bring forward from the agenda. I think the IT director position can stay vacant for now. <Broken_Syntax> "Would it be worthwhile to discuss the creation of some roles. For example, somebody to maintain the wiki, somebody to welcome new members, somebody to maintain a membership list, and somebody to handle the blog/twitter accounts?" <Broken_Syntax> It falls into the IT and Volunteer realms, but also into media and relations. RLim's offered to fix my access to the twitter account oh yeah. remind me through e-mail and attach your key OO-Dragon, I think you are good. <OO-Dragon> Broken_Syntax, I do like that idea. should help keep people on track I think having a dedicated team of volunteers for Social Media is a pretty good idea. <OO-Dragon> if they know what their main duties are <Wilson> We recently got another person for the Calgary-PPCA page and another person is just waiting for frenchPPCA twitter access. first thing first. forum and credit card payment on civicrm thanks for reminding me on frenchPPCA access :P <Broken_Syntax> Can we agree to start a discussion thread on this, and try to get the general membership involved. Maybe we can have volunteers drummed up by next GM? just remember now any second? for? <Broken_Syntax> It would be nice to place names to positions. I assume you mean on the new forum Sorry, I didn't see the call. <Broken_Syntax> I do. "can we agree" == "I move." , no? <Wilson> Man, it is way too easy to miss proposed motions. Please preface with 'MOTION:' It looks more uniform to use one way to point out a motion also makes motions easier to sort through Wilson: does she speak english? Can I sent her an e-mail in English? <Broken_Syntax> Sorry to break it down to a psychology thing, but if I motion it, and we agree, people feel more obliged to assist. <OO-Dragon> MOTION: use MOTION: when ever doing a MOTION: <Broken_Syntax> Second aye Aye <DatapacRat> Aye <Mordecai> Aye aye ayeoye <Wilson> She sent her email in english (and you should have the email as it went to info@pirateparty.ca) <OO-Dragon> awesome Motion: To start a discussion thread in the forum on volunteer roles, and try to get the general membership involved. Maybe we can have volunteers drummed up by next GM? now you have to add that to special rule of order :P <OO-Dragon> seriously have to go now though. bye phillipsjk: Second bye OO-Dragon I will second phill aye oh <Broken_Syntax> aye aye Aye <Wilson> aye aye yes <OO-Dragon> aye <DatapacRat> aye <Mordecai> Aye 13 carried <BrentSchaffrick> aye oops forgot phillipsjk any other motions? Is there a motion to adjourn? i'll motion to adjourn secoond sorry, MOTION: Adjourn Second :) <Wilson> lol MOTION: Strike Project Dev COmmitte from Special Rules of order MOTION: Strike Project Dev Committee from Special Rules of order CTRL-Z on my motion chadkoh, only one motion at a time. ..OK any discussion of chadkoh 's motion? any second? second <Wilson> May I ask what propmted the need? The IT Committee stuff can stay since EB is acting as IT Director. But the PDC is no more, and the rules can be struck from the record plus there is a budget allocated for that <Broken_Syntax> I can understand if we have a functioning forum, and are making greater effort to actively engage the member-base that special projects can be dealt with on an as needed basis. What if we want to set up a similar committee again? we can introduce motion again in the future. But now we are not obligated to fund it <Broken_Syntax> Make sense. As there has been discussion of whether or not to spin off Projects to an NPO, I think closing it for now would be a good move. Or at least, put it on hiaitus with no funding <Wilson> ok I see not that we have provided any fund or there have been any movement lately I like the idea of a hiaitus so...... MOTION: I motion for the GM to excuse me. It's already 5am here, and I'm falling asleep. lol I think we should adjourn MOTION: Suspend operations of Project Development Committee, striking any Special Rules of Order <Wilson> second <Broken_Syntax> aye <DatapacRat> aye <Wilson> aye The funding for that committe is an EB motion and rule in effect, ok. but GM overrides EB <Wilson> GM motions trump all others true aye <Wilson> -_- again... I'm getting slower carried <Broken_Syntax> pappasadrian: Care to recall that process now? MOTION: Adjourn or MOTION: I motion for the GM to excuse me. It's already 5am here, and I'm falling asleep. idk <DatapacRat> Second whatever :P AYE aye <DatapacRat> (Second: for adjourn) aye <Broken_Syntax> second on adjourn? Aye aye at both <Wilson> aye Aye for both <Mordecai> Aye aye aye aye <DatapacRat> aye carried <Broken_Syntax> pappasadrian: go to bed. We want you healthy. <Wilson> good meeting everyone Good night everybody. Thanks for comming. good job phillipsjk for keeping our meetings much shorter. Night everyone, this was a good meeting <Broken_Syntax> Yeha, it isn't even 3am yet. I remember when it used to run to midnight :) <Broken_Syntax> yeah* Takes practice. goodnight midnight central <DatapacRat> Glad to have been here; time for me to head offline as well. or morning :) thanks for coming out. If you have problems signing up to my.pirateparty.ca just ping one of us in the itcomm channel >#canada< Meeting adjourned chadkoh: our main focus should be get that credit card up and running so that I can response to everyone asking to be a member <Broken_Syntax> chadkoh: I shot my sign-up 10 minutes before the GM convened. <Broken_Syntax> Have we been experiencing a lot of delays to gmail accounts? <Mordecai> chadkoh: what is my.pirateparty.ca? <Broken_Syntax> Mordecai: new forum it's our crm and member hangout etc lots of possibilities
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