FC 2010-11-25 transcript

[21:30] <~MikkelPaulson> I call the meeting to order [21:30] <~MikkelPaulson> first order of business I think is the auditor [21:31] <~MikkelPaulson> is everything in order? [21:31] <+Nuitari> still missing your letter appointing him [21:31] <+Zblewski> Purolate one, Paulson? [21:31] <~MikkelPaulson> oh, I thought you said we needed a motion? [21:32] <+Nuitari> let me check [21:32] <+Nuitari> sorry a resolution [21:32] <~MikkelPaulson> okay [21:33] <+Nuitari> Be it resolved that the party auditor is now Gilbert Bastings, sign bla bla bla [21:33] <~MikkelPaulson> so everything seems to be above-board? no reservations about proceeding with it? [21:33] <+Nuitari> yeah [21:34] <+Zblewski> Yay [21:34] <+Nuitari> plus we don't exactly have a lot of choices in front of us [21:34] <~MikkelPaulson> true [21:34] <~MikkelPaulson> uh, could you make a slightly more formal motion for the record? I'm not sure I want to sign my name beneath “bla bla bla” [21:35] <+Nuitari> let me send you the one we did for bdo [21:35] <~MikkelPaulson> sure [21:36] <+Nuitari> you can remove the cruft about the vote, they don't give a shit about that [21:36] <~MikkelPaulson> noted [21:38] <~MikkelPaulson> in that case, I move that Gilbert Bastings be appointed the auditor of the Pirate Party of Canada, effective immediately. [21:38] <~MikkelPaulson> I vote yes [21:39] <+Nuitari> yes [21:39] <~MikkelPaulson> Zblewski? [21:39] <+Nuitari> he already voted yes... [21:40] <~MikkelPaulson> must've missed that [21:40] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, the motion passes [21:40] <~MikkelPaulson> we'll get the paperwork signed up tonight [21:41] <~MikkelPaulson> they're okay if we send it by email? [21:41] <+Nuitari> yeah you can email ELaine Martel directly I think [21:41] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, I'll send it to you to sign as well [21:42] <~MikkelPaulson> and… would rintaran be required to sign as secretary? [21:42] <+Nuitari> yes [21:42] <~MikkelPaulson> okay [21:43] <~MikkelPaulson> anything else on that? [21:43] <+Zblewski> N'op. [21:43] <~MikkelPaulson> already [21:43] <~MikkelPaulson> Mike, what has Jeff said to you about discussions with the Green candidate? [21:44] <+Zblewski> He described the situation to me the best he could and asked about my opinion [21:44] <+Zblewski> Quite frankly [21:44] <+Zblewski> I don't know where to go with it [21:44] <+Nuitari> I think we should go with it if it means we can get more support in Winnipeg [21:44] <+Zblewski> Considering our history with the Greens federally, and our relative new-ness [21:46] <+Zblewski> If we do this, it should be explicitly one-time, and for that candidate, and we will have to notify the Greens upstairs [21:46] <~MikkelPaulson> what history are you referring to? [21:46] <+Nuitari> them saying how there isn't a need for us because of their platform on copyright [21:46] <+Nuitari> well [21:46] <+Nuitari> elizabeth may [21:46] <+Nuitari> not the party [21:46] <~MikkelPaulson> that's true [21:46] <~MikkelPaulson> well, in one YouTube video, anyway [21:46] <+Zblewski> The fact that they have dismissed us in the past, and that they have passed off the entire pirate movement as something under the greens, when PPSE joined Greens-EFA [21:46] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm not sure that precludes us from ever having any political relations with them [21:47] <~MikkelPaulson> well, I think they'd like a monopoly on the “fringe party” label [21:48] <~MikkelPaulson> which is increasingly poorly-applied to them [21:48] <~MikkelPaulson> however, I don't think Jeff was thinking of asking John Harvie to endorse the party [21:48] <~MikkelPaulson> just his candidacy [21:49] <+Zblewski> And we would be doing the same [21:49] <+Zblewski> but I want to notify the Greens so that they know the exact setup [21:50] <+Zblewski> I'm fine with it [21:50] <~MikkelPaulson> mm, I don't see that their communication with their candidate is any business of ours [21:50] <~MikkelPaulson> if that's something that interests him, it'll have to be his responsibility to clear it with the higher-ups [21:50] <+Zblewski> I don't care. I just don't want the Greens spinning anything [21:50] <~MikkelPaulson> if we have to make overtures to them on Jeff's behalf, then it's not a candidate-to-candidate agreement [21:51] <~MikkelPaulson> where do you think this would end up? [21:51] <+Zblewski> This can't just be a candidate-to-candidate agrreement when there's two ridings involved [21:51] <~MikkelPaulson> that's true [21:51] <~MikkelPaulson> but it's not a Pirate Party candidate endorsing a Green candidate in Vaughan [21:51] <~MikkelPaulson> it's NDP [21:52] <~MikkelPaulson> although it'll be interesting to see the political repercussions of that move in the coming days [21:52] <+Zblewski> ...But the whole point is, we're following the NDP's lead and endorsing the same candidate [21:52] <~MikkelPaulson> how's that? [21:53] <~MikkelPaulson> Jeff wants the Green candidate to endorse him, not the other way around [21:53] <+Zblewski> let me pull up the email [21:53] <+Zblewski> he says [21:54] <+Zblewski> and I'll type it verbatim [21:55] <+Zblewski> "I could potentially get the local Green Party candidate, who believes he has no chance of winning, to endorse me, and the Pirate Party could officially endorse the Green candidate for Vaughan..." [21:55] <~MikkelPaulson> ah I see [21:55] <~MikkelPaulson> missed that point somehow [21:55] <+Zblewski> That's what I mean [21:56] <~MikkelPaulson> hmm [21:56] <+Zblewski> the Greens can spin our endorsement somehow, they like to spin. [21:56] <+Zblewski> When it's advantageous, that is [21:56] <~MikkelPaulson> you have a point [21:57] <~MikkelPaulson> on the surface, a small party being endorsed by a large(ish) party brings a great amount of recognition that would otherwise be unavailable to us [21:57] <~MikkelPaulson> and producing a press release reciprocating would not be difficult [21:58] <~MikkelPaulson> but we also risk getting caught in the backwash [21:58] <+Zblewski> Which is why we contact the Greens in advance [21:58] <~MikkelPaulson> and permanently aligned with the Greens when that's not necessarily where we want to be [21:58] <~MikkelPaulson> not much time [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> Jeff's still in his event this evening, otherwise I'd ask him to join [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> he has been live tweeting again [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> http://twitter.com/PegNorthPirate [22:03] <+Zblewski> Well [22:04] <+Zblewski> The premise in general, I like [22:04] <+Zblewski> it's just that one complication [22:04] <~MikkelPaulson> based on my impressions of John Harvie, I think this is something that he might personally be open to [22:04] <+Zblewski> Check your emails [22:04] <+Zblewski> Harvie did say he was open to it [22:05] <+Zblewski> We'll find out soon enough the final opinion [22:05] <~MikkelPaulson> well, Jeff doesn't actually say anything about what he would be asking of John in reciprocation [22:06] <~MikkelPaulson> that's a subject he'll be broaching tonight [22:06] <+Zblewski> Well, they'll be talking about it after the townhall [22:06] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [22:06] <+Zblewski> I'll bet it will come up then [22:06] <~MikkelPaulson> I thought that was the point [22:08] <~MikkelPaulson> well, it remains to be seen if we can convince him to go along with this [22:08] <~MikkelPaulson> but we need to decide if we're prepared to do so in that case [22:09] <+Zblewski> I say yes. [22:10] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm not going to make any final decisions until I've heard specifics [22:10] <~MikkelPaulson> but I'm also open to the idea [22:10] <+Zblewski> Wish to defer until a special meeting? [22:10] <~MikkelPaulson> let's do that [22:10] <~MikkelPaulson> given the urgency of the matter, want to set something up for the same time tomorrow? [22:11] <+Zblewski> Yes. [22:11] <+Zblewski> Nuitari? [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: can you make it? [22:12] <+Nuitari> no [22:12] <+Zblewski> Hm. [22:13] <+Zblewski> Then we'll have to decide now, MikkelPaulson. [22:13] <~MikkelPaulson> like I said, I can't make a decision until I've heard the conditions [22:13] <~MikkelPaulson> but I'm willing to take a vote by email if need be [22:15] <+Zblewski> That should hopefully suffice. [22:16] <+Nuitari> ok [22:16] <~MikkelPaulson> already [22:16] <~MikkelPaulson> we'll copy clerk@ on the votes so that he can make a record of it [22:17] <~MikkelPaulson> last bit for me [22:17] <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: is the infrastructure in place for phone canvassing? [22:18] <+Nuitari> what do you need for it ? [22:19] <~MikkelPaulson> preferably the ability to call through the phone tree so the 800 number shows on call display [22:20] <~MikkelPaulson> I have a dev project that needs to be finished up tomorrow, but hopefully I'll be able to do some calling on Saturday at least [22:22] <+Nuitari> I have one too for tomorrow [22:22] <+Nuitari> and I just got a huge bunch of changes for it [22:22] <~MikkelPaulson> well could you dump the phone book on us, anyway? [22:22] <~MikkelPaulson> I believe Jake said he would help out with the calling [22:26] <+Nuitari> form the electors list? [22:26] <+Nuitari> that might be a problem [22:27] <~MikkelPaulson> I thought the point of receiving a copy of the electors list was that you would be able to give it to people for phone canvassing [22:27] <+Nuitari> I need to find the box with the password [22:30] <~MikkelPaulson> I see [22:30] <~MikkelPaulson> well, please do that [22:30] <~MikkelPaulson> it'll be nice to have a last chance to stir things up before the big day [22:31] <+Zblewski> I have a lot on my plate, so I cannot join ye [22:34] <~MikkelPaulson> okay then [22:34] <~MikkelPaulson> anything else to add or shall we call it a night? [22:36] <~MikkelPaulson> I'll take that as a no [22:36] <~MikkelPaulson> so I'll call the meeting adjourned

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