EB 2012-11-18 transcript



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18:39 <@JMcleod> 1st off: Minutes 18:39 <@JohannWeiss> I may have to leave a little early because I'm going to drive to Shawns to get those cards printed. I've got at least a half hour though 18:40 <@RLim> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EB_2012-11-11_minutes 18:40 <@JMcleod> Well given our forum is going good, unless we have any pressing business this should be quick 18:40 <@JohannWeiss> Yeah 18:41 <@JMcleod> And you already answered my cards question 18:41 <@JohannWeiss> :) 18:42 <@RLim> I think I am going to add the motion that was voted on in our forum 18:42 <@RLim> to today's minutes 18:42 <@JMcleod> Yes please do 18:42 <@RLim> JMcleod there is an official French Pirates forming>? 18:42 <@RLim> *? 18:42 <@JMcleod> French = France 18:43 <@JMcleod> theyre older than us 18:43 <@JMcleod> But to vote, they have to go to Paris 18:43 <@JMcleod> and vote by ballot 18:43 <@JMcleod> for it to be "secret" 18:43 <@RLim> oh I was thinking Quebec :P 18:43 <@JohannWeiss> Me too actually 18:43 <@RLim> did they approached us? 18:43 <@JMcleod> Thats why I made it clear it was France 18:44 <@JMcleod> I spoke to one of their members earlier 18:44 <@JMcleod> (who likes to pressure the leadership there) 18:45 <@JMcleod> So if they can get the code, itll only prove that it can be done and the leadership doesnt want to get it done for their own interests 18:45 <@RLim> well I think our code should be open source anyway 18:45 <@RLim> so just put it on Github and anyone can use it 18:46 <@JMcleod> Thatd be a valid point 18:46 <@JohannWeiss> I don't see any downside to that 18:46 <@RLim> that's a better way to handle it than get involved in their internal politics 18:46 <@JMcleod> But we cant force ourselves to put up all the code 18:47 <@JMcleod> so we can say we will do it, without motioning it :) 18:47 <@RLim> yeah we can just do it 18:48 <@JMcleod> ok for minutes did you add forum motion to it? 18:48 <@RLim> oh I see. I was thinking today's minutes. 18:48 <@RLim> What do you think? Last wek or today? Probably today since last week meeting was over when we voted on it? 18:50 <@JMcleod> oh we should have them in the minutes following the end of the voting period 18:50 <@JMcleod> Ok any objections to last weeks minutesY 18:50 <@JMcleod> ? 18:50 <@JMcleod> Guess not, minutes adopted 18:51 <@RLim> I have one important business 18:51 <@JMcleod> go ahead 18:51 <@RLim> can I sent out the e-mail notice for next week's GM 18:51 <@RLim> ? 18:51 <@RLim> does it work? Does not seem like anything has changed. 18:52 <@RLim> at least the last time I checked 18:52 <@JMcleod> As far as I know it should be working, but maybe im thinking of another break 18:52 <@JohannWeiss> jhowell is idling right? 18:52 <@JMcleod> yeah 18:53 <@JMcleod> svulliez: is Jake available to answer Ric's question? 18:54 <@JohannWeiss> I believe he's on his phone, in transit 18:54 <@JohannWeiss> so no 18:55 <@svulliez> JMcleod: Yeah, not with Jake sorry 18:55 <@svulliez> He's been a little distant since the tragedy that befell 18:55 <@RLim> jhowell says he have zero access last meeting 18:56 <@RLim> so I doubt he will be able to do anything 18:56 <@JohannWeiss> So is there anyway we can send the mailout? 18:58 <@JMcleod> Well, if I could get the php code, I could look it over 18:58 <@JMcleod> Im assuming its a php cron thats failing 19:00 <@RLim> ok. who have access? 19:01 <@JMcleod> Shouldnt all of IT have that access? 19:01 <@RLim> nope 19:02 <@RLim> Scott have the same problem as me 19:02 <@RLim> so we can't really help 19:03 the plan was to have the new setup months ago 19:03 nuitari did nothing to hand over 19:03 sean gave a little 19:03 but that's it 19:03 Checking in! 19:04 <@RLim> hi adpaolucci 19:04 <@RLim> so is there anything we can do to sent the mailout 19:04 <@JMcleod> I guess as of now the answer is no 19:05 <@RLim> svulliez: is Jake going to be there for card printing ? 19:05 <@RLim> maybe you can ask him? 19:05 We could look into a SaaS email solution for the time being 19:05 <@jhowell> and pay for it with what? 19:05 <@jhowell> the acct that no one has access to? 19:05 <@jhowell> :) 19:06 <@JMcleod> Cant RLim or CCitizen get access to payments now? 19:06 We have don't have control of the bank acct yet? 19:06 <@jhowell> if they can, why is no one telling me 19:07 <@jhowell> is the best question 19:07 <@RLim> I suggested to Jake that maybe Nuitari can help us out just a bit to get in touch with his contact at Quebec branch 19:07 <@JohannWeiss> CCitizen and Jake have the most info on the accnt issue 19:07 <@RLim> I e-mailed my branch and no reply 19:07 <@JohannWeiss> Neither of whom are here 19:07 <@RLim> last time I talked to them they said they have forwarded everything to the Quebec branch contact 19:08 Banks don't respond to email, to get anything done you need to go in and talk to a branch manager IRL 19:08 <@RLim> They responded to my e-mail before when I was following up while on vacation 19:09 But did anything get done with the problem? 19:09 You will only get action taken if you go into a branch 19:10 <@RLim> it was done as far as my branch is concern 19:10 <@RLim> so not sure if it's Quebec or Vancouver branch that is not doing its job 19:11 <@RLim> I went into the branch to sign the paper 19:11 <@JMcleod> Well an update on bank would be great 19:11 <@RLim> Can Nuitari just go in and withdraw the money 19:12 <@RLim> ? 19:12 <@RLim> what's the rule on that? 19:12 <@RLim> withdraw the money then close the account. 19:12 <@RLim> Probably not that easy 19:13 <@JMcleod> Yeah probably has something more than just walk in to do 19:14 well how much is it? 19:15 <@RLim> My branch rep said she dealt with similar situation with people located at various parts of the country. They just sent the same paper down to different branch so all were signing on the same paper. 19:15 <@RLim> But we went this route because that's what Quebec branch said we should do. AFAIK 19:16 <@JMcleod> Ok 19:16 <@JMcleod> Any other business? 19:16 <@RLim> Jake asked me to follow-up with my branch. I always get home when the banks are already close. I doubt they willb e able to do anything else at this point. Did Jake try to call Vancouver branch 19:16 <@RLim> ? 19:17 <@JMcleod> Well Jake has been unreachable since the email he sent everyone 19:17 <@RLim> I'll start a forum to discuss where we at with following up with the bank 19:18 <@RLim> nvm. Jake is not even on that forum 19:19 <@RLim> maybe svulliez can ask Jake? Other than that maybe asked Stephane for help? 19:19 <@RLim> *ask 19:20 <@JMcleod> Well we can email Jake and ask him to get on the forum 19:20 <@JMcleod> he is still an EB member 19:21 <@RLim> For the record. Jake spoke to Vancouver branch and based on the e-mail, 19:21 <@RLim> last e-mail was October 29?? where the Vancouver rep said she is forwarding the doc Jake signed to Quebec also. 19:23 <@RLim> any other business? 19:24 So when are we expecting all this to be done? 19:24 Cause we really need to get that new server to streamline everything 19:24 <@JMcleod> As soon as possible 19:24 (ie nuking everything and do it from scratch) 19:24 <@RLim> what is our action plan though? 19:27 <@RLim> I hate using e-mail for discussion. SOmetimes there's a long lull before reply and sometimes no reply at all. 19:28 <@JMcleod> Thats why your forums are better 19:28 <@jhowell> welcome to your IT committee. 19:28 Arent you in charge jhowell? 19:28 <@jhowell> of what? 19:28 <@jhowell> Rlim, andrew and i 19:28 IT Comm 19:28 <@jhowell> that's about it 19:28 <@jhowell> jake does as he pleases 19:28 I'm in charge of something o.O 19:29 <@RLim> Once we sort this out I'll bring out the same point I keep mentioning. More than 1, preferably 3 should have access to all the things. 19:29 <@jhowell> i've asked multiple times, anyone that can help me give some sort of command to do whatever its required 19:29 <@jhowell> when one of you fix the complete disaster of the banking 19:29 <@jhowell> the entire IT committee will have power 19:29 <@jhowell> over all pieces of the infrastructure 19:29 and we can finially do things right 19:29 <@jhowell> ^ 19:30 <@jhowell> until then, someone needs to reply to my email 19:30 <@RLim> I'll give Jake the benefit of the doubt. He might be very busy but need an extra push to deal with unresponsive bank rep 19:30 <@jhowell> i've given Jake a lot of benefit. I know he's busy.. I am too 19:30 <@jhowell> but i email back 19:30 <@JMcleod> Well we wont fix this tonight 19:30 <@JMcleod> any other business? 19:31 <@jhowell> Right now, Rlim wants to help, scott wants to help, andrew wants to help 19:31 <@RLim> JMcleod, pick up the red phone line to Shawn house and talk to Shawn and Jake. 19:31 <@jhowell> I cannot figure out the fact we cannot login myself. 19:31 <@jhowell> Sean helped me out the first time. if he can spare some time, i'm sure he would 19:31 <@jhowell> but no response from him yet 19:32 <@jhowell> we just need someone with a touch more linux experience and sit down to figure out why its giving login errors.. then we have something 19:32 <@jhowell> or fix the banking so i setup a proper LDAP 19:32 ^I like that more 19:33 <@JMcleod> I dont have a redphone line :( 19:33 <@jhowell> i'll take anything 19:33 <@RLim> We need a red batman phone. a no dial red flashing light 19:34 <@RLim> :) 19:34 <@RLim> we are not going anywhere. But seriously though do you have Shawn's number? 19:34 <@JMcleod> Nope 19:34 <@JohannWeiss> Shawn isn't home, he's in transit (othewise I'd be at his place working on the cards) 19:34 <@JMcleod> but.... 19:34 <@RLim> so just highlight those 2 points that jhowell said 19:35 <@JMcleod> I have Jake's cell 19:35 <@JohannWeiss> And I don't think Jake is going to be home either 19:35 <@RLim> put a big red urgent sticky for him :) 19:35 <@jhowell> ### ### #### is Sean 19:35 <@jhowell> err no that's Shawn sorry 19:35 <@RLim> ok. I have to remember to strike that from the transcript. :P\ 19:36 <@JMcleod> http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=pol&dir=par&document=index&lang=e#ppc 19:36 <@JMcleod> jakes is on there 19:36 <@jhowell> Wait, you wanted SHAWN. ^ that is the correct # 19:37 <@RLim> I delegate JohannWeiss to communicate jhowell point to Jake through any means 19:37 <@RLim> :) 19:37 <@JohannWeiss> I 19:37 <@JohannWeiss> ll do that 19:37 <@jhowell> the guys going through the mourning ...... 19:37 <@jhowell> noot sure what to do here 19:38 <@RLim> yeah. 19:38 <@RLim> How is he doing by the way? 19:38 <@JMcleod> yeah extra pressure wont help, if you could get full access he could just stay away for a short while 19:38 <@RLim> Just sent our regards to him. 19:38 <@jhowell> Considering no ones heard from him/not answering his emails or anything 19:38 <@jhowell> probably as we expect 19:39 <@jhowell> I have full access.. i just lack the technical skill to do anything with it 19:39 <@jhowell> give me commands 19:39 <@jhowell> i will do them 19:39 jhowell you free tonight? 19:39 we can try to work on it 19:39 <@jhowell> If I am here, then yes. :) 19:40 <@jhowell> if i had something other than this, i would be 'busy' lol 19:40 <@jhowell> putty is open and waiting 19:40 <@RLim> I can't really give command. I don't have that level of expertise. I need to look around and see. 19:40 <@RLim> Scott offered to help also 19:40 ^same, but we can try 19:41 <@RLim> I can't even connect through ssh 19:41 <@RLim> are you able to adpaolucci? 19:41 <@jhowell> actually.. rlim 19:41 I was never given ssh access 19:41 <@jhowell> what are you trying to connect into? 19:41 <@jhowell> vpn.ostra.ca ? 19:42 <@RLim> 70.38.74.90 19:42 <@RLim> server 19:42 <@RLim> that's what Jake gave me 19:42 <@jhowell> oh..what the hell.. are you trying to access? 19:44 <@jhowell> hm 19:44 question 19:44 <@jhowell> i don't know what that is. i only have vpn.ostra.ca which is 74.89 19:44 where is pirateparty.ca pointed to? 19:44 <@jhowell> two places. 19:44 199.59.166.86 - What the hell is that? 19:45 DDoS Protection with a company called Black Lotus? 19:45 <@jhowell> pirateparty.ca on port 80 is a different pirateparty.ca than the one we can vpn to. 19:45 <@jhowell> terrible explanation i know 19:46 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn 19:46 * JMcleod jhowell, JMcleod , JohannWeiss , RLim 19:46 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn 19:46 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 19:46 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 19:46 <@RLim> aye 19:46 <@JMcleod> aye 19:46 <@JohannWeiss> aye 19:46 <@jhowell> rlim 19:46 <@jhowell> aye 19:46 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 4 Nays: 0 19:46 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: adjourn 19:46 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor



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