GM 2013-06-19 transcript

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 Ubuntu FTW ^_^ also first meeting I am making it to! yay me ohai :)  were enough election canada forms sent in yet?  also why do they need to be physical :( phillipsjk: do you still have access to wiki? nvm we'll just do this on piratepad until I regain access to wiki Never had access to the wiki, AFAIK. it was one of my (poor) excuses for delaying. >RLim< do you have access to the wiki? Trailblazer was nice enough to do the minutes for last meeting  I'm half-here, at least until the meeting starts. Is someone managing registraion/voice/quorum ?  I can manage that  while we are waiting... how about this picture of mars? http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=pia16919  billion pixel's of goodness  does the meeting usually start a bit late?  I'm here at the right time right?  Someone kick darknyan  Please. I'm stuck in a paradox. kicking him wont disconnect him from the server just wait 240 seconds and he'll disconnect with a ping timeout  -_- I'm a idiot sometimes. if you register your nickname with /msg nickserv register darknyan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCf53ses22w you can kick him  pappasadrian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSroGlkmXQE This is revenge. I probably should've worded that better. Sorry. this is not bad actually :P It's terribleu.  soo ... is this the right time for the meeting? I'm actually asking, because I'm in a different time zone Close. Meetings usually take a while to meet quorum. >meeting< should be starting shortly (also testing /notice) OO-Dragon: yep, you're on time  ok thanks ^_^ >#canada< meeting should be starting shortly (also testing /notice) darknyan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mLBzlYwNDw respond. Try pinging Travis_McCrea. >#canada< notice test test back -davidd/#canada- i hate notices I saw it that time :) check your server status window <RLim> I can start verifying people <RLim> pm me your id and e-mail <OO-Dragon> every one? <RLim> yeah Server status window doesn't say anything relevant. still has the helpus msg We don't have all those signatures in yet. "Real" deadline is very close. (July 2nd) <CraigNobbs> What's the count to quorum? Pirate Party of Canada - General Meeting in progress. Off-topic discussion should be moved to #canada-riffraff GOTO: https://www.pirateparty.ca/helpus/ and print the form out and mail it in we need more signatures! fifteen members <CraigNobbs> sorry, I meant... how many are here? I'll be right back. >#Canada< Please PM RLim with your e-mail address and PIN to get voiced. <CraigNobbs> +O please =) If you insist :) <CraigNobbs> thanks =) I do pray Travis comes. >CraigNobbs< you don't have your NIck reserved? (I know, I was supposed to check that before giving OPs) <CraigNobbs> How long are we going to wait to make quorum tonight? <OO-Dragon> how many does it take to make quorum? <CraigNobbs> 15 <CraigNobbs> we currently have ...7, I think <CraigNobbs> 8 =) <CraigNobbs> 9... getting there <Mordecai> noob question: how do I get a PIN? <CraigNobbs> You become a member <RLim> did anyone post on twitter or fb? Actually I never received a PIN. only a membership number. <RLim> nah it's just membership ID <Mordecai> oh alright. I sent in my form but haven't received anything yet. <CraigNobbs> the pin numbers for voting used to be emailed as part of the voting information email... but for the GM, you use your member ID CraigNobbs, to answer your question, I am tempted not to wait longer than an hour. <CraigNobbs> good... that's about as long as I would wait respond. Try pinging Travis_McCrea. We need to reduce the quorum to 10 or 12 or something similar.  darknyan, we did: it used ti be something like 10% of membership. No, I get that, but dwindling active party membership is somewhat of a rarity nowadays. <RLim> hi wise <RLim> hi WiseBell Anyways, did anyone see this yet: http://offshoreleaks.icij.org/search?q=&ppl=on&ent=on&adr=on <WiseBell> hi Reducing it to 10 would let the EB and PB over-rule members at the GM :P <RLim> any member that have not yet been voiced please pm you e-mail and membership ID to me <RLim> *your I am wondering how many people are not getting the mail-out. <RLim> out of 1700 200 opened it I know *I* would not trigger tracking pixels :) +1 <RLim> should we ping the others? <CraigNobbs> We have 1700 paying members? i thought we only had like 250 sigs? <RLim> well we have not been stringent in enforcing past dues account. We'll do that once the new crm is up <RLim> 255 opened their e-mail - people like phillipsjk <CraigNobbs> yeah.... <RLim> if all fo them submitted the form we are good <RLim> *of <CraigNobbs> and then some <CraigNobbs> We really should make signing that EC form a requirement of being a member in good standing the /notice was supposed to Ping everybody. CraigNobbs, we can't do that becuase we allow people to be members of more than one party, while Elections Canada does not. <RLim> oh EC does not? <CraigNobbs> I don't understand....  If thet're part of the PPCA party, why would they be part of another party? since i dont think there's much chance for a quorum i think i'll go sleep <CraigNobbs> good night good night guys The "full platform" is relatively new. The marijuana party and Libertarian parties also allow multiple memberships I believe. wait, no actually since at least some people are here as voted on the previous GM: "(To) Create an exploratory committee regarding moving general meetings to an asynchronous platform, this committee will include a person chosen by the head of IT, a member chosen by the EB, and a member chosen by the PC. This commi ttee will report findings back each month to the general council." I'm a member of the NDP, since there is no local presence here for the PPCA. does anyone else except me care about this? RLim, re-read the form, and don't see any wording restricting people to one party. That might increase engagement pappasadrian i think so too it is worth exploring... how much does the EC and law restrict that? afaik, the EC doesnt restrict a party's internal organisation <CraigNobbs> @pappasadrian: Is that notification or just discussion? we aren't having a meeting, I think so it's just discussion I think that was from like two meetings back. <CraigNobbs> it was it was from last month anyway, the actual work of that committee is pretty much done already http://www.metagovernment.org/wiki/Active_projects so it was: https://www.piratepad.ca/p/GM_2013-05-15_minutes we just have to read the specs and choose one I would recommend generating a list of features we need so that we can compare these platforms SCIENTIFICALLY ;-) as far as i can see: 1) asynchronous 2) voting capabilities 3) discussion capabilities 4) scalability 5) sufficient user authentication and of course 6) user friendly I mean, a polling plugin for the wiki could accomplish this i believe we need a more specialized tool for the job wikis can get chaotic The problem with polling plug-ins is that they are not intended to be used for anything serious. <RLim> anyway here's our financial update <RLim> https://www.dropbox.com/s/al0tufz66gdhcmj/2013-06-19%20Financial%20Summary.pdf I'd like something that loomio Even carefully designed software will have intractable trust issues but that can scale for larger groups (but given the current participation, i think loomio is okay) *that -> like No quorum today? as long as we can get our data out of it <RLim> hi webchat_1084 darknyan, doesn't look like it. <RLim> still no It's been a hour. I'll check back in a couple. <CraigNobbs> James.... shall we call the meeting, such as it is, adjourned then? It looks like Loomio is $2/person/month <RLim> yikes considering the party finances, I am thinking we need something less expensive than that <RLim> definitely not for large group CraigNobbs, I was wondering if we should try rick's ping everyone idea first. <OO-Dragon> actually from what I can tell they don't actually take payments yet... still in beta? https://www.loomio.org/request_new_group <RLim> yeah we are using beta Xchat does not seem to make it easy to dump the user-list though :P Pay what you can: If your group doesn<E2><80><99>t have a formal budget, your group members will be invited to make a voluntary contribution. And secondly, isn't Loomio open source? i thought it was https://github.com/loomio/loomio hmm Are we not running it upon our own $1000 superserver? it is :P <CraigNobbs> James: It's now been 75 minutes since the GM was supposed to start. I no longer care to wait and think it unfair to those of use who showed up on time. >#canada< meeting adjourned due to lack of quorum. <OO-Dragon> so you have a version of loomio running on your own server right now? I think we do. When I tried to logon to loomio.org, my account never existed. Thank-you to everybody who showed up. respond. Try pinging Travis_McCrea. http://geoip.flagfox.net/?ip=199.204.23.105&host=council.pirateparty.ca http://geoip.flagfox.net/?ip=108.162.207.252&host=www.loomio.org One goes through a Reverse DNS (cloudflare) and the other is directly attached. Pirate Party of Canada - Next GM: Wed, July 17 @ 8pm Eastern. GOTO: https://www.pirateparty.ca/helpus/ and print the form out and mail it in we need more signatures! It may take people 5-10 minutes to see your questions and respond. Try pinging Travis_McCrea. r questions and respond. Try pinging Travis_McCrea. huh, darknyan ? we do have an instance installed, and it is supposed to be the asynchronous tool for the EB and the PC http://council.pirateparty.ca/ ^ That's what I was trying to put out. so it is just multitenanted, not actually on a pirate server seems like just dns masking <CraigNobbs> well, I'm off then. <CraigNobbs> Catch you guys later. Thank you for showing up for the GM. It's a pitty that not enought people showed up for quorum tonight. g'night <OO-Dragon> night bye <OO-Dragon> well maybe I'll look for alternatives to loomio for next meeting why not talk about it in the Reddit forum? <RLim> yeah good idea something more async than irc well there was supposed to be a committee to do exactly that but meh maybe a crowd/swarm will be better at it hell ye <RLim> http://www.reddit.com/r/piratepartyofcanada foreget committees <OO-Dragon> I take it the committee was never made nope :P chadkoh: you might like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY0H0ToW3Bc nice. Putting on my watchlist. it's too long but it's worth it goodnight people :) <RLim> goodnight
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