FC 2011-03-03 transcript

[21:09] <~MikkelPaulson> I call the meeting to order [21:09] <+rintaran> Also ends up defeating the whole point of having moved the time earlier. [21:09] <~MikkelPaulson> agenda is here (Link: https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=880.0)https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=880.0 [21:09] <~MikkelPaulson> well we're still half an hour earlier than usual... [21:09] <+rintaran> Only 20 minutes. [21:09] <+Nuitari> 9pm works much better for me [21:10] <+Nuitari> usually around 8:30 I'm still having dinner [21:10] <~MikkelPaulson> that's fine, I can really make any time work [21:10] <+rintaran> Anyhow, I believe the "Platform" is first on the agenda. [21:10] <+shawnvulliez> The platfomr [21:11] <+shawnvulliez> platform [21:11] <+shawnvulliez> Heh. [21:11] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed [21:11] <+shawnvulliez> have we all read what we have so far in the pirate pad? [21:11] <~MikkelPaulson> we've finally made it to the point of hammering out specific targets [21:11] <~MikkelPaulson> (Link: http://pr.piratepad.ca/50)http://pr.piratepad.ca/50 [21:12] <+shawnvulliez> I know MikkelPaulson, rintaran and myself have been working on it [21:12] <+shawnvulliez> based on the colours [21:12] <~MikkelPaulson> that wasn't directed specifically at you [21:13] <+shawnvulliez> So it's been decided that we're going to be splitting the platform into two sections, correct? [21:13] <~MikkelPaulson> I think the term goals shouldn't be unveiled until the writ drops [21:13] <~MikkelPaulson> usually that's the way elections are handled, with changes even being announced partway through [21:14] <~MikkelPaulson> but we need a more specific statement of values, which I guess is the first part [21:14] <+shawnvulliez> A "platform" of measurable goals and plans as an individual MP, and an "Ideals" section that expands on them? [21:14] <+shawnvulliez> Is this agreed on? [21:14] <~MikkelPaulson> well, the reverse [21:14] <~MikkelPaulson> a statement of what we want to accomplish, and a specific platform saying how we'll get there [21:14] <~MikkelPaulson> but basically [21:15] <~MikkelPaulson> I'd also like to expand our platform to include the defence of all Charter rights [21:15] <+shawnvulliez> I think that's probably a reasonable way to go. [21:15] <~MikkelPaulson> as opposed to our scattered freedom of speech/of the press with ad-hoc involvement in other issues as they come up [21:16] <+shawnvulliez> So wait- this isn't clear to me, what is our final platform going to look like, and how is it going to be split up? [21:16] <~MikkelPaulson> we're on the right track at the moment [21:16] <+rintaran> ie, what are we bringing forth on the 19th for the GA to vote on? The Ideology Section? [21:17] <+rintaran> Or the untitled first section? [21:17] <+rintaran> Or both? [21:17] <~MikkelPaulson> good question [21:18] <~MikkelPaulson> I don't know [21:18] <~MikkelPaulson> how do you think we should handle it? [21:18] <+shawnvulliez> My opinion is we should extend ideology as far as possible, and save the measurable platform for the election for now [21:18] <+rintaran> I understand the middle-bit isn't going under the vote, being for the writ. [21:18] <+shawnvulliez> It would be great if we could get the ideology section fleshed out with a lot of support, because that is where our policy is derived anyways [21:19] <+shawnvulliez> the public will be able to let us know if we're horribly off base [21:19] <+shawnvulliez> Whatever amount of transparency you guys want to accommodate, I am good with. [21:20] <+shawnvulliez> I have a specific idea for the ideology section that I'd like to pitch to you guys as well, apart from this. [21:21] <~MikkelPaulson> in the pad? or here? [21:21] <+shawnvulliez> After we settle this platform visibility issue. [21:22] <+shawnvulliez> In here, but I want to make sure we have a conclusion [21:22] <+shawnvulliez> on what we are introducing to the public and when [21:22] <~MikkelPaulson> I think the conclusion is that the platform won't be announced until after the writ [21:22] <+rintaran> Makes sense since it basically says which section we need to focus on the most in time for the vote. [21:22] <~MikkelPaulson> partly because it may change [21:22] <+shawnvulliez> Alright. Good plan. [21:22] <+rintaran> The general platform needs to be approved by the assembly. [21:22] <~MikkelPaulson> at the very least we'll have a new budget on the 22nd (we'll discuss that later on) and we may want to respond to that [21:23] <+rintaran> The term stuff doesn't necessarily though, so we're good on that. [21:23] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [21:23] <+shawnvulliez> May I have the floor for my idea, then? [21:23] <~MikkelPaulson> be my guest [21:24] <+shawnvulliez> Basically the ideology section is currently under 5 main points [21:24] *** Cosmie has joined #council [21:24] <+shawnvulliez> They're all great points, covered under our current "about" page and all that. I don't want to change them or make them weaker. [21:24] <+shawnvulliez> I suggest that we come up with a list of supplemental ideologies that compliment them [21:25] <+shawnvulliez> for a second list in the ideology section [21:25] <~MikkelPaulson> how so? [21:25] <+shawnvulliez> Such as Freedom of information, protecting charter rights, allowing technology to live up to it's potential [21:26] <+shawnvulliez> Maybe the first five would be done with roman numerals, to differentiate [21:27] <+rintaran> I'm not entirely sure I follow. [21:28] <~MikkelPaulson> we already do have some points in our platform that are more important (or given more emphasis) than others [21:28] <+rintaran> Are you requesting to relate each to these ideologies, or that they work as additional elements on top of what's already sorted? [21:28] <+shawnvulliez> Well our first list [21:28] <~MikkelPaulson> I don't think that necessitates a separate list [21:29] <+shawnvulliez> Our first list is sort of measurable direct acts [21:29] <+shawnvulliez> Or measurable direct legislation [21:29] <+shawnvulliez> This second list would be used for ideals that compliment them [21:30] <+shawnvulliez> such as freeing culture [21:30] <~MikkelPaulson> as you were introducing the idea I was actually thinking maybe we should do the opposite [21:30] <~MikkelPaulson> make what we have more specific (and add more secondary points) and then write a 1-2 paragraph statement of values that act as a basis for all of our activity and reasoning [21:30] <+rintaran> A preamble would be a good element to add... [21:30] <~MikkelPaulson> we believe in the freedom of ideas and the freedom of the individual to intellectual pursuits [21:30] <~MikkelPaulson> etc. [21:30] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, that could cover it [21:31] <+Nuitari> I think we should also add very specific "What does it mean for you?" to each area of the platform [21:31] <~MikkelPaulson> well, that's presentation rather than substance [21:31] <+shawnvulliez> the platform is a presentation [21:31] <+Nuitari> presentation is much more important then substance [21:31] <~MikkelPaulson> we can pitch the platform in as many different ways as we want [21:31] <~MikkelPaulson> but we explain it one way to one person, another way to another person [21:31] <+shawnvulliez> I think the platform ought to pitch itself [21:32] <+Nuitari> we need to make the platform something people can read and relate to it [21:32] <+Nuitari> if we don't, the whole point is missed [21:33] <+shawnvulliez> I agree. [21:33] <~MikkelPaulson> but again, I that's part of the promotion of the platform [21:33] <~MikkelPaulson> not the platform itself [21:33] <~MikkelPaulson> *I think [21:33] <+Nuitari> it's as important as the platform itself [21:33] <+shawnvulliez> The platform itself is pretty well defined by this point. We know what our main points are. [21:33] <+rintaran> Are we doing a "red book" platform deal, or a "campaigning" platform? [21:34] <~MikkelPaulson> red book [21:34] <~MikkelPaulson> because campaigns vary geographically and from day to day [21:34] <~MikkelPaulson> and person to person [21:34] <+rintaran> If that's the case, then we go with ideologies. The individual relation is left for campaigning style. [21:35] <+shawnvulliez> Wasn't the Red Book quite long? [21:35] <+rintaran> Red Book is a lot longer and a lot less concrete. [21:35] <~MikkelPaulson> I may be misunderstanding, then [21:35] <~MikkelPaulson> we do need to have concrete policy agreed upon across the board [21:35] <+shawnvulliez> theres no reason our red book can't include specific, measurable promises [21:36] <+rintaran> Campaigning will be saying specific things that we are doing, in support of the ideology in the Red Book style. [21:36] <+shawnvulliez> in fact I think it should [21:36] <+shawnvulliez> But I think that extending our ideology section into a red book style platform is a good idea. [21:37] <+shawnvulliez> It doesn't need to be hundreds of pages long [21:37] <+shawnvulliez> but a few pages long [21:37] <~MikkelPaulson> let's not get too caught up on the specifics [21:37] <+shawnvulliez> and we should touch on the benefits of free culture, information, education, supporting technology [21:37] <~MikkelPaulson> we have 2 weeks to finish this, and can discuss it further in the pad chat [21:37] <+shawnvulliez> this is a meeting. [21:37] <+shawnvulliez> Let's talk about it now. [21:38] <+shawnvulliez> We're supposed to be transparent, talking about it in the pad is opaque. [21:38] <~MikkelPaulson> well, the product will be publicly approved and voted on [21:38] <~MikkelPaulson> just trying to avoid a 3-hour meeting [21:39] <+rintaran> Ok, so basically, we need to focus more on the ideology section of the platform at this point. [21:39] <+shawnvulliez> Yes. [21:39] <~MikkelPaulson> ironically [21:39] <+rintaran> When it's complete in less than 2-weeks, we'll present the ideology portion for approval. [21:39] <~MikkelPaulson> since that's all we've had up until now [21:39] <+rintaran> The top section is our bit for when the writ drops. [21:39] <+rintaran> And the term section is our mid-campaign revelation. [21:39] <+rintaran> Does that make sense to everyone? [21:40] <+Nuitari> yes [21:40] <+shawnvulliez> yes [21:40] <~MikkelPaulson> works for me [21:40] <+rintaran> There we go then. [21:40] <+shawnvulliez> I advocated extending the ideology section [21:41] <+shawnvulliez> beyond our core values [21:41] <~MikkelPaulson> if we do that, we should rename the section [21:41] <~MikkelPaulson> ideology should be brief and broad [21:41] <+shawnvulliez> If you guys don't want to throw your hat in for or against that yet, thats ok. [21:41] <+shawnvulliez> I'm ok with that too. [21:41] <+shawnvulliez> But I think something nice and beefy to read with a lot of great ideas [21:42] <+rintaran> This section is essentially our party's long-term platform. [21:43] <~MikkelPaulson> works for me [21:43] <+rintaran> I think we could easily add something along the lines of allowing technology to live up to its potential. [21:44] <+rintaran> I think we could easily add something along the lines of allowing technology to live up to its potential. [21:44] <+rintaran> As for Freedom of Information, I'm sure we'll be working that into the Open Government & the Net Neutrality sections. [21:45] <+rintaran> The charter rights I don't think merit their own section. [21:45] <~MikkelPaulson> no, that should be in the preamble/statement of values [21:45] <+Nuitari> maybe have something along the lines of creating a prosperous economy where innovators are free to invent and profit from their inventions [21:45] <~MikkelPaulson> and something that we pull out as needs warrant, like in response to the G20 arrests [21:45] <~MikkelPaulson> I wanted to get involved there, but it was well beyond our platform at the time [21:46] <~MikkelPaulson> sorry Shawn [21:46] <~MikkelPaulson> V. [21:46] <+shawnvulliez> It's all good. gotta be careful with your tabs, children [21:46] <+shawnvulliez> I'm talking to the kids reading this, not youguys [21:47] <~MikkelPaulson> good life lesson [21:47] <+shawnvulliez> I suppose we don't need the second section. [21:47] <+shawnvulliez> I do also want to touch on education in our long term platform [21:48] <+shawnvulliez> I know it's a provincial thing [21:48] <+shawnvulliez> technically. [21:48] <+shawnvulliez> But the power of the internet to help self-directed learning is too immense to ignore [21:48] <+rintaran> Well, Post-Secondary we have some play with, but not much. [21:49] <~MikkelPaulson> plenty of room for federal scholarships [21:49] <+shawnvulliez> federal scholarships for open source developers? [21:49] <+rintaran> Exactly. As well as grants and Federal Student Loans. [21:49] <~MikkelPaulson> and part of my personal platform is to devote $50k of my annual salary to a bursary fund in my riding [21:49] <~MikkelPaulson> what about a government program analogous to Google's Summer of Code? [21:49] <+rintaran> I'm not familiar with it. [21:50] <+shawnvulliez> Interesting ideas. It would be cool to include things like that, big maybes, in the long term platform [21:50] <~MikkelPaulson> basically they hire students and send them off to work on an open-source project [21:50] <~MikkelPaulson> although in the case of the government it could be more to do with the open government structure [21:50] <~MikkelPaulson> hiring students to open up government and/or do things with the opened data [21:51] <+rintaran> We also need to work Digital Democracy into the Open Government section. Let's not forget about that long-term goal. [21:51] <+shawnvulliez> Getting journalism students together to report on PSIC data first or something? [21:51] <+shawnvulliez> Aw yeah [21:51] <+rintaran> That's actually a really good idea Shawn. [21:52] <+shawnvulliez> "actually" [21:52] <+shawnvulliez> heh [21:52] <~MikkelPaulson> is there much to be gained there, though? [21:52] <~MikkelPaulson> part of the point is that there'll be benefits both for the public and for the students [21:52] <+rintaran> Well, when I first read it, I thought it was bad. But then I actually thought about it. :P [21:52] <~MikkelPaulson> better I think that journalism students work IN PSIC, so they know how it works and when they're part of the press they'll know how to work with it [21:53] <+shawnvulliez> That's interesting too [21:53] <~MikkelPaulson> a journalist is only as good as their soapbox, and the project doesn't include any soapbox at all unless I'm missing something [21:53] <+shawnvulliez> I like the idea of mixing PSIC data and summer of code [21:53] <+rintaran> Well, it sounds like we are adding a bit of an Education section after all then.' [21:53] <+shawnvulliez> and releasing creative commons booklets [21:54] <+shawnvulliez> on the new findings [21:54] <+rintaran> I like it. [21:54] <~MikkelPaulson> and that's definitely not going to be stepping on any provincial toes [21:55] <+shawnvulliez> I think since we're discussing education as it is [21:55] <+shawnvulliez> we finally get to put in [21:55] <~MikkelPaulson> well, that brings me to crown copyright [21:55] <+shawnvulliez> that the internet is really good for self directed learning [21:55] <~MikkelPaulson> no need for CC if we get rid of crown copyright altogether, which I'd love to [21:57] <+shawnvulliez> It's a lofty goal, but I like it [21:57] <~MikkelPaulson> I don't think it's out of our reach either [21:57] <~MikkelPaulson> "the Americans did it" is a sadly compelling argument in Canadian government [21:58] <~MikkelPaulson> actually I'm not sure if they've ever had government copyright [21:58] <~MikkelPaulson> but regardless I see no justification for restricting what I can do with material I paid for with my tax money [21:59] <+rintaran> Yeah. Sounds pretty good to me. [21:59] <+shawnvulliez> rintaran: were you talking about mentioning digital direct democracy? [21:59] <+shawnvulliez> because I would love that [21:59] <+rintaran> Yeah. I think that should be a vital part of the Open Government section. [22:00] <+shawnvulliez> Awesome. I agree. [22:00] <+rintaran> Or atleast, some modification on it. [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> that has to be a medium term goal though [22:00] <+shawnvulliez> I'm really glad to see that included [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> if we're going to advocate digital direct democracy, we first have to address the penetration of internet access [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> there's no democracy when not everyone is equipped and educated to participate [22:01] <+rintaran> Which brings us to the movement to have internet access declared a right. [22:01] <+shawnvulliez> Another awesome medium-long term goal [22:01] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [22:01] <+rintaran> All a larger part of our Net Neutrality line. In order for the net to be truly neutral, we all need to be on it. [22:01] <~MikkelPaulson> again we have to have the facilities in place to deliver that before we broach the subject [22:02] <+shawnvulliez> It's possible. [22:02] <~MikkelPaulson> otherwise we may as well declare the right of every Canadian to free trips to the moon for all the good it'll do [22:02] <+rintaran> I don't think free trips to the moon should be a right. [22:02] <~MikkelPaulson> first we need to introduce government infrastructure providing service to remote areas [22:02] <+rintaran> At least not until we solve the problem of increased gravity during lift off. [22:02] <+shawnvulliez> If we can drop 7 bil on fighter jets we can drop 2 bil on first rate democracy [22:03] <+shawnvulliez> If we could give all Canadians free trips to space, we'd be a jerk not to [22:03] <+shawnvulliez> We can give all canadians internet [22:03] <+shawnvulliez> even 56k for now [22:03] <+shawnvulliez> it's worth it [22:03] <+rintaran> Back on topic though, putting in universal internet as a right to Canadians is something that should be in our platform. [22:03] <+rintaran> It'll also help us scoop the Online Party of Canada before they get out of the gates. [22:04] <~MikkelPaulson> perhaps [22:04] <~MikkelPaulson> and I'm not opposed to including greater direct democracy [22:04] <+rintaran> I'd love to see them get folded into us at some point. [22:04] <~MikkelPaulson> although I don't think it's in any way a replacement for representative democracy [22:04] <+shawnvulliez> Not currently at least [22:05] <+shawnvulliez> we're going to need some representatives for a long time probably [22:05] <~MikkelPaulson> maybe a better approach would be to have referendum requirements along the same lines as we have royal assent [22:05] <+rintaran> The thing about the longer-term platform is that we don't need to spell it all out exactly. [22:05] <~MikkelPaulson> any bills that affect certain things have to go to referendum, or anything subject to a petition of x names [22:05] <~MikkelPaulson> (royal assent is only required on money bills) [22:05] <+rintaran> Including a mention of striving for a "form of digital direct democracy" is quite acceptable for now, without getting into the particulars. [22:06] <+shawnvulliez> Yeah [22:06] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed [22:06] <+rintaran> That's for election 4 or 5. [22:06] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, we've been discussing this for an hour now [22:06] <+shawnvulliez> I think it makes us seem real on the ball [22:06] <~MikkelPaulson> can we proceed and continue discussion on the pad? [22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> again, we have 2 more Federal Council meetings before we have to submit this bad boy for a vote [22:07] <+rintaran> Now that we've decided which area we need to focus on, and have identified some of the elements we want to get in there, I think we can. [22:07] <+rintaran> The platform will need to be on our agenda again next week however. [22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> absolutely [22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> and the week after [22:08] <~MikkelPaulson> so, next on the agenda is PPI [22:08] <~MikkelPaulson> Mike unfortunately wasn't able to be here [22:08] <~MikkelPaulson> but the PPI vote passed with an overwhelming majority [22:09] <+shawnvulliez> I just got an e-mail from PPI recently [22:09] <~MikkelPaulson> 34 yes, 1 no [22:09] <+rintaran> Our application wasn't in before February 15th, so will they be voting on it this year, or will it have to wait for 2012? [22:09] <~MikkelPaulson> 0 abstaining [22:09] <+shawnvulliez> They vote on it on the 12th [22:09] <~MikkelPaulson> doesn't have to be in before then? [22:10] <+rintaran> From the PPI Conference site: The deadline for submitting proposals was February 12th 2011, 23h59 CET (PPI Statutes XX. (2)). [22:10] <+rintaran> Wait, wrong section. [22:10] <+shawnvulliez> Check your e-mail rintaran [22:10] <+rintaran> My dislexia was reading wrong-line. [22:11] <+shawnvulliez> It's all good. [22:11] <+shawnvulliez> Have any of you responded to the co-chairman's e-mail yet? [22:11] <+Nuitari> not me [22:11] <+rintaran> I haven't. [22:12] <+rintaran> I assumed the responsibility would fall to Mike, or up the chain to Mikkel. [22:12] <~MikkelPaulson> which email? [22:12] <~MikkelPaulson> I may have missed it [22:12] <+shawnvulliez> subject PPI membership application [22:12] <+rintaran> We just got one from Jerry Weyer of PPI about an hour ago. [22:12] <+shawnvulliez> sent to directors@pirateparty [22:13] <~MikkelPaulson> ah okay, came 15 minutes ago I see [22:13] <~MikkelPaulson> nope, haven't read it yet [22:13] <~MikkelPaulson> anyway, Mike said he might be able to handle it tonight [22:13] <~MikkelPaulson> if not, I'll get things rolling [22:13] <+shawnvulliez> He's asking permission to put us on the agenda as an applicant [22:14] <+shawnvulliez> I think whoever responds is going to be saying yes [22:14] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed [22:14] <~MikkelPaulson> I'll bounce off a reply after we adjourn [22:15] <+rintaran> Mike's out of town as of tmw (if not already). Not sure exactly when he gets back. [22:15] <~MikkelPaulson> okay [22:15] <+rintaran> Who's going to create the application video? [22:15] <~MikkelPaulson> do you know if he's sent off the business cards? [22:15] <~MikkelPaulson> I can do it if shawnvulliez has no objections [22:15] <+rintaran> He said was doing it Wednesday. I have mine. They're pretty sweet. [22:16] <~MikkelPaulson> looking forward to receiving them :) [22:16] <+shawnvulliez> I don't know the specifics of the application video, feel free MikkelPaulson [22:16] <+shawnvulliez> So do I [22:16] <+shawnvulliez> I can show my parents I'm not a failure [22:16] <+rintaran> Heh. [22:16] <~MikkelPaulson> haha [22:16] <+rintaran> Well, what do we need in the application video? [22:17] <~MikkelPaulson> if only it were that easy... [22:17] <~MikkelPaulson> a general introduction of the party, structure, and how we want to go about implementing the pirate platform? [22:18] <~MikkelPaulson> maybe why Canada needs a Pirate Party [22:18] <+rintaran> I would assume it would have to fill in some of the details of the application: (Link: http://int.piratenpartei.de/Membership_application)http://int.piratenpartei.de/Membership_application [22:19] <+rintaran> Though there should be a written application as well... That should have gone in the day the vote was announced... [22:19] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed [22:20] <~MikkelPaulson> I'll start a pad after the meeting has completed [22:20] <~MikkelPaulson> *concluded [22:20] <+shawnvulliez> Next subject is PR development, unless there is anything else to add? [22:21] <~MikkelPaulson> nope [22:21] <~MikkelPaulson> what's new in PR? [22:21] <+rintaran> Just when you do the video, do it in a quiet area with the PPCA flag in the background. [22:21] <~MikkelPaulson> no joggers? [22:21] <+rintaran> Preferably not. [22:22] <~MikkelPaulson> I need to set up my desk area so I can do more professional-looking webcam videos [22:22] <+rintaran> Yeah, you do. :P [22:22] <+rintaran> I have a map of Ottawa behind mine. [22:22] <+shawnvulliez> I can do addresses too, if need be [22:22] <+rintaran> But I don't normally do videos, so it's kinda moot. [22:22] <+rintaran> Anyhow, on to PR right? [22:23] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [22:23] <+shawnvulliez> I've been inviting people to the PR committee, and I've received some interest [22:23] <+rintaran> I've been assembling a list of media contacts in the Ottawa area. [22:23] <+shawnvulliez> Although nothing has really manifested on the forums yet. [22:24] <+rintaran> I'm up to 30 unique contacts locally so far. It'll help provide a list for invites to any media conferences that we may end up holding in the capital, or for events that we're running. [22:24] <~MikkelPaulson> welcome to the world of the Pirate Party [22:24] <+rintaran> Shawn, contact your PR team and set a meeting time. [22:25] <+shawnvulliez> Good plan. [22:25] <+rintaran> If you don't wrangle them together to give them a briefing, and re-wrangle them regularly, they'll never do anything., [22:26] <+rintaran> I do have an individual willing to do translation from English to French. [22:26] <~MikkelPaulson> great [22:26] <+shawnvulliez> Awesome. [22:26] <~MikkelPaulson> pass their email on to Nuitari so he can add it to translators@ [22:26] <+rintaran> Alright, I'll PM it to him. [22:27] <+shawnvulliez> I'll look into calling a meeting. [22:27] <~MikkelPaulson> it's definitely worked wonders for the Council [22:28] <+rintaran> The new translator is also the new member that our local meeting in Ottawa signed on the other night. :) [22:28] <~MikkelPaulson> I don't think either of you were around prior to the last general election, but Jake's council was completely out of communication and Nuit was the only one who did much in the later days [22:28] <+shawnvulliez> Well, I'm glad we're doing it well. [22:28] <~MikkelPaulson> much as you may have been critical of the council's activity in the past, it's a lot better than it was [22:28] <~MikkelPaulson> and even more so now that we have 5 people :) [22:29] <~MikkelPaulson> so definitely, meet early, meet often [22:29] <+Nuitari> what do we do with the other harddrives? [22:29] <~MikkelPaulson> Angus, CTV... [22:30] <~MikkelPaulson> we could just keep one on reserve to wave around at rallies, haha [22:30] <~MikkelPaulson> I don't know what other news network might be the best choice [22:30] <+Nuitari> cbc [22:30] <+rintaran> Or global. [22:30] <+shawnvulliez> cbc won't do anything with it [22:31] <+Nuitari> why ? [22:31] <+shawnvulliez> most news organizations will just ignore it I think, It's a non-story [22:31] <+rintaran> CBC = Bell. Global = Shaw. [22:31] <~MikkelPaulson> CTV = Bell? [22:31] <+shawnvulliez> we could use the hard drives to seed the torrent, is that going to go up soon? [22:32] <~MikkelPaulson> you don't need more than one drive to seed a torrent... [22:32] <+rintaran> Shaw might touch it. They're doing public "consultations" I believe. So it might be something they weave into their marketing about not being a big bad evil monster. [22:32] <~MikkelPaulson> I can put it on my server, and the WikiLeaks mirror has plenty of bandwidth to spare [22:32] <~MikkelPaulson> I doubt it [22:32] <+shawnvulliez> If you have them in different locations, won't seeding from multiple drives be better? [22:32] <~MikkelPaulson> even if they did, they wouldn't name us [22:33] <~MikkelPaulson> well, the original purpose of BitTorrent was that you only need one location [22:33] <+shawnvulliez> What? [22:33] <~MikkelPaulson> it was never designed to replace the client/server model [22:33] <+shawnvulliez> Isn't the whole reason it's powerful is because the swarm gets packets from more than one location? [22:34] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [22:34] <~MikkelPaulson> but the packets come from peers that are also downloading [22:34] <~MikkelPaulson> not from seeds [22:34] <+shawnvulliez> That's not true. that's downright silly. [22:34] <~MikkelPaulson> well it's obviously being used for different purposes [22:34] <~MikkelPaulson> but read the white paper [22:34] <~MikkelPaulson> bittorrent.org [22:34] <+rintaran> Regardless, we're OT here guys. [22:35] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed [22:35] <+rintaran> One of CBC or CTV is not owned by Bell. I'm not sure which, but we should send one there. [22:35] <~MikkelPaulson> regardless, bandwidth shouldn't be an issue to getting a torrent out there [22:35] <+rintaran> Angus will make use of it, no doubt. So a second to him. [22:35] <+rintaran> That leaves us with one drive? We can hold onto it for now. [22:35] <~MikkelPaulson> my server has a 100 Mbps link with a 3 TB/mo cap, it can handle the torrent [22:36] <+rintaran> Use it as a prop during the campaign next month. [22:36] <+Nuitari> cbc is a public broadcaster [22:36] <~MikkelPaulson> CTV is owned by Bell [22:36] <+rintaran> Ok, I always got the two mixed up. Problem solved. [22:36] <~MikkelPaulson> we should send more than one to the press [22:36] <+rintaran> We only have 3 drives right? [22:36] <~MikkelPaulson> 4 [22:36] <+Nuitari> global is also owned by Shawn [22:36] <~MikkelPaulson> well, down to 3 now [22:36] <+Nuitari> Shaw [22:37] <~MikkelPaulson> haha [22:37] <~MikkelPaulson> if only [22:37] <+Nuitari> yeah [22:37] <+rintaran> Well, other than CBC, your options are Shaw, Bell, or Rogers. [22:37] <+rintaran> Of the three, I'd go with Shaw's Global. [22:38] <+rintaran> Unless you want to go print, in which case I think you pretty much have the same options. [22:38] <+shawnvulliez> I think sending it to news organizations isn't going to work out well [22:38] <~MikkelPaulson> I considered Postmedia, but their flagship paper is the National Post [22:38] <+shawnvulliez> the story is that we sent it to the CRTC [22:39] <~MikkelPaulson> we could always send one to Clement [22:39] <~MikkelPaulson> and one to Geist? [22:39] <+rintaran> Geist would promote it. [22:39] <~MikkelPaulson> or Stop the Meter might get a kick out of it [22:39] <~MikkelPaulson> Stop the Meter would pick up on it whether they get one or not [22:39] <+Nuitari> stop the meter and openmedia can be reached by a few blog posts [22:40] <+Nuitari> btw, why no posts about the hard drive? [22:40] <+rintaran> They both also follow Geist, and he's a pretty militant net-news poster. [22:40] <+shawnvulliez> I have contacted stop the media via e-mail. The national coordinator said he wished that he thought of our harddrive idea. [22:40] <~MikkelPaulson> because our PR department forgot to launch the corresponding blitz [22:40] <+Nuitari> you need to stay on top of PR, if they don't do it you must do it [22:40] <+shawnvulliez> Ironically, the idea was suggested by Yehoshua which is not a real pirate party member. [22:41] <~MikkelPaulson> you're right [22:41] <~MikkelPaulson> hey, we're a party of ideas, we don't need to limit ourselves to ideas from people who pay $10/yr [22:41] <+shawnvulliez> I agree [22:41] <~MikkelPaulson> anyway, shawnvulliez: think you can get on the press release? [22:42] <+shawnvulliez> yes [22:42] <+shawnvulliez> without shifting blame too much, I don't think the fact we haven't announced this campaign isn't a bad thing [22:42] <+Nuitari> We can say that we sent it on that date and haven't heard from the CRTC [22:43] <+Nuitari> have we checked if they noted somewhere that they received our submission? [22:43] <~MikkelPaulson> it's a consultation, we shouldn't expect to? [22:43] <~MikkelPaulson> but really there's no need to say what date it was sent [22:43] <+shawnvulliez> yeah [22:43] <~MikkelPaulson> the important thing is that it was sent, and we're talking about having done so [22:43] <+shawnvulliez> The point is it happened [22:43] <+shawnvulliez> I want to make sure that we have the torrent up [22:43] <+shawnvulliez> when we do the press release though [22:44] <+Nuitari> let me make the torrent since I have the disk image [22:44] <+Nuitari> we'll do a full torrent [22:44] <~MikkelPaulson> I want to make a few tweaks to the content before we put the torrent up [22:44] <+Nuitari> and one that excludes Web and Software/Packages [22:44] <+shawnvulliez> Ok, great. Do we want to put it on CaPT [22:44] <~MikkelPaulson> tgz the web and software [22:44] <+shawnvulliez> or are we going to put it on other sites? [22:44] <~MikkelPaulson> that's fine [22:44] <+shawnvulliez> I think we should come up with a name for it as well, as a package [22:44] <~MikkelPaulson> put it on CaPT and other sites that allow external trackers [22:45] <~MikkelPaulson> it'll draw attention for its size as well [22:45] <+Nuitari> actually no tgz for the integral one [22:45] <+Nuitari> the point is to show the size [22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, tar then [22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> if we make a .torrent with the millions of html files that make up the Wikipedia dump, we'd need to make another torrent just to help people download the metainfo file [22:47] <+shawnvulliez> the individual pieces can be zipped, but we should still be able to download only parts of it [22:47] <~MikkelPaulson> and it'll be well beyond the upload limits of most trackers [22:47] <~MikkelPaulson> just need to tar up the Wikipedia and packages [22:47] <~MikkelPaulson> otherwise there are only a few hundred files [22:47] <~MikkelPaulson> maybe one torrent of everything and one of each folder [22:48] <~MikkelPaulson> so a torrent of the movies, one of the TV shows, music, news... [22:49] <+shawnvulliez> If we get it up on the pirate bay, we should see if we can get it promoted by them. [22:49] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [22:49] <~MikkelPaulson> absolutely [22:49] <~MikkelPaulson> shawnvulliez: could you redo the name card on the video? [22:50] <+shawnvulliez> isohunt too, actually [22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> haha, yeah [22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> they'll like it [22:51] <+rintaran> Ok, I think we have that hammered out then? [22:51] <+shawnvulliez> MikkelPaulson: I did it on someone else's computer, and I would have to do the whole thing again [22:52] <+shawnvulliez> I'll see if I have the non-messed up file around [22:52] <~MikkelPaulson> sure [22:52] <~MikkelPaulson> we will need to apply the same to future videos though [22:53] <~MikkelPaulson> I'll do an SVG of the overlay so we can just slap that on [22:53] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: email me the people who need to get a drive whenever its decided [22:53] <+shawnvulliez> Good plan [22:53] <~MikkelPaulson> as well as a logo card to finish the video with [22:53] <+Nuitari> I'll already get on mirroring them [22:53] <~MikkelPaulson> okay [22:53] <+shawnvulliez> Alright, I'm going to get together a press release on the UBB thing [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds good [22:54] <+shawnvulliez> but I want to do it right, and that involves a new video for youtube, crosspromotion with torrent sites, and a working torrent [22:54] <+shawnvulliez> In my opinion [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> if you do it in a pad I'll help you out [22:54] <+shawnvulliez> Gladly [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, better to do it in one blitz [22:54] <+shawnvulliez> That's why I didn't put out a press release last night [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> good thinking [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> so put together a point form list of the things that need to be assembled before we go live [22:55] <+shawnvulliez> I instead opted to support openmedia because I really like them [22:55] <+shawnvulliez> I'll put it in the new pad [22:55] <+shawnvulliez> next subject is election strategy [22:56] <+shawnvulliez> I think we're all eager to move on [22:56] <+shawnvulliez> I'll get started in that pad [22:56] <+shawnvulliez> (Link: http://pr.piratepad.ca/53)http://pr.piratepad.ca/53 [22:56] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [22:56] <~MikkelPaulson> the budget will be introduced March 22 [22:57] <~MikkelPaulson> and there are strong indications that the opposition will be defeating it [22:57] <~MikkelPaulson> which calls an election [22:57] <+shawnvulliez> Our candidates are currently Mikkel and Craig [22:57] <~MikkelPaulson> so we need to be ready to go by then [22:58] <~MikkelPaulson> Travis' candidacy will go to a debate on the 19th [22:58] <+shawnvulliez> any word from Jeff? [22:58] <~MikkelPaulson> with the usual 1-week voting period after that [22:58] <~MikkelPaulson> I'll give him a call [22:58] <+shawnvulliez> ah yes, Travis is prepared for a soon election? [22:58] <+shawnvulliez> I haven't seen him at any meetings yet [22:59] <~MikkelPaulson> if the writ drops while Travis is still up for a vote, I suggest that we end it early and use the Federal Council authority to approve or reject him on the basis of the votes received to date [22:59] <+shawnvulliez> That sounds reasonable. [22:59] <+rintaran> Wouldn't that be in violation of the constitutional change we just made? [23:00] <+shawnvulliez> Which is that? [23:00] <~MikkelPaulson> actually, it would be in violation to allow the Assembly to choose after the writ drops [23:00] <~MikkelPaulson> the Assembly has the sole authority while we're out of an election, and the Council has the sole authority in an election [23:00] <+shawnvulliez> Hm. [23:00] <~MikkelPaulson> oh I like the new wiki homepage rintaran [23:01] <+rintaran> I told you I was planning to make it more useful. [23:01] <+rintaran> Still more changes to come there, but it's OT right now. [23:01] <~MikkelPaulson> oh, sorry [23:01] <~MikkelPaulson> "If at the time of nomination the writ of election has been issued and the nomination deadline as defined in the Canada Elections Act has not passed, the Federal Council may appoint eligible Applicants and Nominees to the position of Candidate as it sees fit." [23:01] <+rintaran> You're right on the constitution bit. I just double-checked. [23:01] <~MikkelPaulson> so the Assembly can still decide [23:01] <+rintaran> I think I was remembering an earlier revision. [23:02] <~MikkelPaulson> but since we have the right, we should exercise it to avoid any delays in kicking off the campaign [23:02] <+rintaran> They don't drop the writ the same day that the government falls do they? [23:02] <~MikkelPaulson> I believe so [23:03] <+Nuitari> pretty much [23:03] <+Nuitari> same day or day after [23:03] <+rintaran> Well, we would be 2 days into the voting. the paperwork needs to be in to EC by when? [23:03] <~MikkelPaulson> well, it's up to the Governor General [23:03] <+Nuitari> IF [23:03] <+Nuitari> that's a big IF actually [23:03] <+Nuitari> the GG could always ask an opposition party if they want to form the government [23:03] <~MikkelPaulson> the GG has the right to appoint a new government instead [23:03] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [23:03] <~MikkelPaulson> but normally it's election time [23:04] <+shawnvulliez> (Link: https://www.pirateparty.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/pamphlet.gif)https://www.pirateparty.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/pamphlet.gif [23:04] <~MikkelPaulson> since Harper did appoint him after all [23:04] <+Nuitari> the buzz is that vote day would be eitehr May 2nd or May 9th depending if the government falls on a BQ or Liberal amendment [23:04] <+shawnvulliez> Something I put together last night, incomplete, obviously. [23:04] <+shawnvulliez> the idea is it's a 8.5x14 page cut in half and printed on both sides [23:05] <+shawnvulliez> B&W to keep costs down [23:05] <~MikkelPaulson> 4-fold seems a bit excessive at that size [23:05] <+shawnvulliez> each page is 2 booklets [23:06] <+shawnvulliez> there is only one fold in the design [23:06] <~MikkelPaulson> the vertical lines don't denote folds? [23:06] <+shawnvulliez> the middle one denotes a cut [23:06] <+shawnvulliez> if this image was printed on both sides [23:06] <+rintaran> According to EC, the candidate can file nomination papers up to "2:00pm on the 21st day before polling day", so I think we should let the General Assembly's vote play out if that's the case. [23:06] <+shawnvulliez> a single fold will turn each half into a 2 page booklet [23:06] <~MikkelPaulson> ah I see [23:07] <~MikkelPaulson> they CAN, but it's very rushed [23:07] <~MikkelPaulson> that was one of the big lessons from Jeff's campaign [23:07] <~MikkelPaulson> the media wants to know who the candidates are NOW [23:07] <~MikkelPaulson> not the last-minute candidates [23:07] <~MikkelPaulson> especially from the minor parties [23:08] <+shawnvulliez> I think running Travis this election may prove to be a battle not worth fighting [23:08] <~MikkelPaulson> when the writ dropped in Winnipeg North, we pimped Jeff as Pirate Party candidate before the approval vote even went to the Assembly because we didn't have any other choice [23:08] <+Nuitari> major parties already have the signage ordered and are ready to put it up the moment EC says the candidate is a go [23:08] <+shawnvulliez> the resources would be better spent on Craig, if he is serious [23:08] <~MikkelPaulson> shawnvulliez: that's a matter for the Assembly to decide [23:08] <~MikkelPaulson> for now [23:08] <+shawnvulliez> Is Jeff returning? [23:08] *** Bartz has joined #council [23:09] <~MikkelPaulson> I don't know [23:09] <+shawnvulliez> Craig didn't respond to my e-mail asking him if he was planning on running either [23:09] <~MikkelPaulson> I'll call and ask tomorrow [23:09] <+rintaran> Well, I think there should be at least 5-days of voting, if we can't manage the full 7. [23:09] <+rintaran> Give people a chance to do it. [23:09] <+rintaran> And base our acclamation on that. [23:09] <+shawnvulliez> Good compromise [23:09] <~MikkelPaulson> well it's unlikely that the writ will drop on the 22nd [23:09] <+rintaran> (which is already 2 days into voting) [23:09] <~MikkelPaulson> probably a few days or even weeks after [23:10] <+rintaran> Should be good then. [23:10] <~MikkelPaulson> so final decision [23:10] <~MikkelPaulson> are we or are we not buying lawn signs [23:11] <+rintaran> I thought we were. [23:11] <+shawnvulliez> Seems reasonable, but is it expensive? [23:11] <~MikkelPaulson> then we need to order them now [23:12] <+Nuitari> let's buy them [23:12] <~MikkelPaulson> I believe Jake and Mike were pricing them out, it's not hugely expensive but we'd need to order a biggish batch [23:12] <~MikkelPaulson> the plan was to get signs and then order bumper stickers with candidates' names on them to put on [23:12] <~MikkelPaulson> so that they'd be reusable and accommodate last-minute candidates [23:13] <+shawnvulliez> I know it's not in line with our "branding guide" per say [23:13] <+shawnvulliez> but a black sign with the jolly roger is really attention grabbing [23:13] <~MikkelPaulson> probably not the best way to entice voters though [23:14] <+shawnvulliez> attracts a different demographic maybe [23:14] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [23:14] <+shawnvulliez> I think people who go "pfft, PIRATE party? thats absurd!" aren't going to be swayed by a standard style sign [23:14] <~MikkelPaulson> but it might repel the larger demographic [23:15] <+shawnvulliez> particularly since this is an early election, being attention grabbing may be useful [23:15] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: stickers take a month or so to get [23:15] <~MikkelPaulson> so get some Avery sheets and print them yourselves [23:15] <~MikkelPaulson> /ourselves [23:15] <+shawnvulliez> I'm not attached to the idea, but that way we can order a big batch [23:16] <+shawnvulliez> it just occurred to me [23:16] <+shawnvulliez> it's not conventional, but it is interesting [23:16] <+shawnvulliez> since I see this election as a bid for mental real estate as much as MP seats [23:17] <~MikkelPaulson> exactly [23:17] <~MikkelPaulson> well that's the point of being a party [23:17] <~MikkelPaulson> we're running for a lot more than seats [23:17] <+shawnvulliez> That's why I suggest visually arresting campaign signs [23:18] <+shawnvulliez> even black with the ship logo [23:18] <~MikkelPaulson> hmm [23:18] <+shawnvulliez> Pirate Party in linux libertine [23:18] <~MikkelPaulson> well, let's discuss it later [23:18] <~MikkelPaulson> it's getting pretty late for the folks out east [23:18] <+shawnvulliez> Sure [23:18] <+rintaran> I like the black ship idea. [23:19] <+rintaran> Whatever route we take, we'll need to order soon. [23:19] <+shawnvulliez> I think we should consider it at least, It will get the attention of filesharers [23:19] <+shawnvulliez> demographic #1 [23:19] <+shawnvulliez> oh, especially when next to the other signs [23:20] <+shawnvulliez> if there was a block with all the signs [23:20] <+shawnvulliez> then one black one [23:20] <+shawnvulliez> with a badass pirate ship [23:20] <+shawnvulliez> even a crusty old man would raise an eyebrow of curiosity [23:21] <~MikkelPaulson> maybe investing in 10 big signs would be more effective than 50 little ones [23:21] <~MikkelPaulson> like 5' signs [23:22] <~MikkelPaulson> of course, we'd need some bloody huge stickers for that [23:23] <~MikkelPaulson> and good luck shipping them [23:23] <+rintaran> 10 big signs and some small window signs might not be a bad mix. [23:23] <+Nuitari> no requirement to put the candidate name on a sign [23:23] <~MikkelPaulson> that's true [23:23] <+shawnvulliez> candidates are never going to be the selling point [23:23] <~MikkelPaulson> well that's the whole point isn't it? [23:23] <~MikkelPaulson> we're far more individualistic than the other parties [23:24] <+shawnvulliez> Well as far as getting into people's heads [23:24] <+shawnvulliez> far more people are going to go "huh. pirateparty" [23:24] <+shawnvulliez> than "Mikkel paulson, who is that fellow and what is HIS policy" [23:24] <+shawnvulliez> unless its pirate party's Mikkel Paulson [23:25] <+shawnvulliez> nevermind, this is a silly point [23:25] <+shawnvulliez> But a badass sign [23:25] <+shawnvulliez> I am 100% behind that [23:25] <~MikkelPaulson> anyway, I don't have a problem with big nameless signs, but they won't be able to be transported after use [23:25] <~MikkelPaulson> not easily anyway [23:26] <+shawnvulliez> why big? [23:26] <+shawnvulliez> bigger than regular signs? [23:26] <+shawnvulliez> are these not for people's lawns? [23:26] <+rintaran> One would hope the local candidates would run again next run around. They may be able to store them [23:26] <~MikkelPaulson> I was thinking of getting some of the huge ones that you see sitting at intersections with wooden 2x4" supports [23:26] <~MikkelPaulson> you have the right to put as many signs as you want on public property like along roads [23:27] <+shawnvulliez> The risk is having too few signs [23:27] <+shawnvulliez> that are attacked/defaced [23:27] <~MikkelPaulson> again, that's an offence [23:27] <+shawnvulliez> Doesn't mean it's not a risk [23:27] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed [23:28] <~MikkelPaulson> it does mean that people care enough to do so though [23:28] <~MikkelPaulson> which I would take as a complement [23:28] <+shawnvulliez> I'd be on the side of 50 regular signs more than just a few big signs [23:28] <+shawnvulliez> but having some big signs for intersections might be great [23:29] <~MikkelPaulson> prohibitively expensive if we can allocate $1k per riding [23:29] <~MikkelPaulson> *only [23:30] <+Nuitari> (Link: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/images/bizphotos/435x290/200811/11/24594.jpg)http://www.cyberpresse.ca/images/bizphotos/435x290/200811/11/24594.jpg [23:30] <+Nuitari> how big is that sign ? [23:31] <~MikkelPaulson> I have no clue [23:31] <~MikkelPaulson> could be 10' or 10" [23:31] <~MikkelPaulson> we could put postcards on toothpicks and use forced perspective [23:31] <+shawnvulliez> heh [23:32] <+shawnvulliez> I don't know the specifics on cost [23:33] <+shawnvulliez> Are we ready to close the book on this meeting? [23:33] <+shawnvulliez> What have been all of our decisions? [23:33] <+rintaran> I'd say that's a 10' sign. Put my money on it being canvas too. [23:33] <~MikkelPaulson> well, promotions is under PR [23:33] <+rintaran> Cheaper at that size for that style. [23:33] <~MikkelPaulson> think you could find a few quotes/time estimates for us? [23:34] <+shawnvulliez> I guess so, but I am really busy [23:34] <~MikkelPaulson> Mike has some resources I think [23:34] <+shawnvulliez> I know PR technically covers most things [23:34] <~MikkelPaulson> now you see why the big committees are necessary... [23:34] <+shawnvulliez> I understand that, but I need your help too [23:35] <~MikkelPaulson> all right, I'll handle the quotes [23:35] <~MikkelPaulson> hopefully we can get an order ready to go by Monday [23:35] <+Nuitari> maybe have the design too ? [23:36] <+shawnvulliez> I've started putting together the black sign idea [23:36] <+Nuitari> cool [23:36] <+Nuitari> brb baby [23:36] <~MikkelPaulson> no problem sweetheart [23:37] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, cool [23:37] <~MikkelPaulson> anything else you'd like a hand with? [23:38] <+shawnvulliez> I'd like to talk to Mike a bit about working together with other parties [23:38] <+shawnvulliez> I want to incorporate that in our party image [23:38] <+shawnvulliez> quite a bit [23:38] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, absolutely [23:38] <+shawnvulliez> Let's see [23:39] <~MikkelPaulson> some of the word you've been doing there should properly be under his responsibility anyway, so you're welcome to pass it on [23:39] <~MikkelPaulson> *work [23:39] <+rintaran> (Link: http://www.vistaprint.ca/vp/welcome.aspx?xnav=welcomeback&rd=2&GP=3%2f3%2f2011+11%3a39%3a50+PM&GPS=1485465027&GNF=0)http://www.vistaprint.ca/vp/welcome.aspx?xnav=welcomeback&rd=2&GP=3%2f3%2f2011+11%3a39%3a50+PM&GPS=1485465027&GNF=0 [23:40] <+rintaran> This company can do lawn signs, lawn sign stands, banner signs, etc. [23:40] <+rintaran> I don't have much of a suppliers list compiled yet, but it's one link that may be useful here. [23:42] <+shawnvulliez> Is there any chance you could write something about C-32 for me to send to the narrator, MikkelPaulson? [23:42] <+rintaran> Less than $350 for 40 colour reverse sides for the signs, plus 400 for the stands... But we could use wooden stakes for cheaper. [23:42] <+shawnvulliez> Perhaps based on the micheal geist's coverage [23:42] <+shawnvulliez> I'm going to do the UBB one. [23:42] <+shawnvulliez> By the way, I have selected a narrator [23:42] <~MikkelPaulson> what do you want specifically? [23:43] <+Nuitari> back [23:43] <+shawnvulliez> C-32 is _____. C-32 is bad because ______. A better way would be ______. Pirate Party [23:43] <~MikkelPaulson> how long? [23:44] <+shawnvulliez> a minute or two [23:44] <+shawnvulliez> want it to be forwardable [23:45] <~MikkelPaulson> okay [23:45] <~MikkelPaulson> rintaran: if we're going Jolly Roger we wouldn't need colour [23:45] <~MikkelPaulson> might be able to find it cheaper elsewhere in that case [23:46] <+Nuitari> I'd rather have a few good looking signs then a few more so-so looking ones [23:46] <+rintaran> Then it's even cheaper. [23:46] <+rintaran> $300 for 40. [23:46] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed [23:46] <~MikkelPaulson> and bigger, preferably [23:47] <+shawnvulliez> 40 of which? [23:47] <+Nuitari> so 50$ ? [23:47] <+Nuitari> saved by b/w [23:47] <~MikkelPaulson> if it's only $50 difference I don't know that it's worth it [23:47] <+Nuitari> go with color [23:47] <+rintaran> Well, the 27 in size, for 40 B&W go at $670+ taxes [23:47] <+Nuitari> we should do a donation drive [23:47] <+shawnvulliez> Well the black and white design has merit as a design itselve [23:48] <+shawnvulliez> we could toss that in the newsletter [23:48] <+rintaran> The smaller signs are still 1.5' x 1' [23:48] <+shawnvulliez> That we're looking for donations specifically for campaign signage [23:48] <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: how're we doing on that renewal system? [23:49] <+rintaran> Bigger signs from Vistaprint are 2.25' x 1.5' [23:50] <+rintaran> Colour of the larger signs is about $780 [23:50] <+rintaran> But please shop around. There's probably cheaper out there. [23:50] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed [23:50] <+shawnvulliez> I think asking for donations is classiest if you say your dollars will go to [23:51] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: building the UI [23:51] <~MikkelPaulson> okay [23:51] <~MikkelPaulson> keep me posted [23:52] <+Nuitari> we can do an email saying that it's time to renew and to follow a specific link to get the process started [23:52] <~MikkelPaulson> yes [23:52] <+Nuitari> I don't have the whole panel done yet [23:52] <~MikkelPaulson> or it was time to renew 8 months ago and we forgot to tell you [23:53] <~MikkelPaulson> sorry, that was a bit mean-spirited [23:53] <+shawnvulliez> Um, how are we going to go about the renewal thing? [23:54] <+shawnvulliez> are we going to just restart the year counter for everyone over a year old? [23:54] <+shawnvulliez> or try to enforce the real registrations? [23:54] <+Nuitari> we'll start the counter from the renewal date [23:54] <~MikkelPaulson> give everyone a minimum 1-month grace period [23:54] <+Nuitari> yeah [23:55] <+Nuitari> supermicro are funny, they want me to flash a 2mb bios file using 1.4mb floppy [23:55] <+shawnvulliez> And we'll only tell the people who need to renew? [23:55] <~MikkelPaulson> yes [23:55] <~MikkelPaulson> although most everyone needs to renew at this point [23:56] <+shawnvulliez> Not me! [23:56] <~MikkelPaulson> or me [23:56] <~MikkelPaulson> of course, our membership numbers will be dooooown [23:56] <~MikkelPaulson> because not everyone will renew [23:56] <~MikkelPaulson> and free accounts have now expired [23:56] <+shawnvulliez> It's fine [23:56] <+Nuitari> shawnvulliez: have you gotten your card? [23:56] <+shawnvulliez> Nuitari: nope [23:57] <+shawnvulliez> do you remember if it was sent to vancouver or port coquitlam? [23:57] <+Nuitari> it's probably still not sent then [23:57] <+Nuitari> it's somehwer in the renovation stuff [23:58] <+Nuitari> I'll see if I can find it again, I'm missing quite a few of the boucned cards [00:00] <~MikkelPaulson> any other business? [00:00] <+shawnvulliez> have the businesscards been sent? [00:00] <+rintaran> I don't think there's anything pressing. [00:01] <+rintaran> Mike said he was going to send them Wednesday. I don't know whether he did or not. [00:02] <+rintaran> I think we're good for the night Mikkel. [00:02] <~MikkelPaulson> works for me [00:02] <~MikkelPaulson> sorry it got so late again [00:02] <~MikkelPaulson> meeting adjourned

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