GM 2013-11-20 transcript

 when's the meetings? *-s  I have to work tonight, leaving now actually :(  in 2 minutes in theory  however, an update on when the promotion items are to be sent (flags, buttons, etc) would be great ;) there are promotion items? :3  I just picked them up yesterday and am currently sorting  oh ok thanks Wilson  I was hoping it wasnt all lost when Travis stepped down  anyhow, off to work  nope, just went on a continental tour. Travis apparently sent them from boston  gl in the meeting yall ;) - PM me when my membership will expire so i can check that when I come back.  Will we get enough for quorum today?  We'll see.  hey Ric hi  hi I would hope so, I'm holding off on finishing a trunk I've been repainting until the meeting is done lol  also, quorum suggestion : Make quorum for adjourned GMs for no quorum be 5 people or 75% of those that were present when the quorum failed the first time. This will help a lot ;) so if 10 people show up, you only need 8 people for next GM. Next GM quorum is met, so it goes back to 15 for the following RLim: goddammit :D we need to get that data entry stuff sorted out just truecrypt it and pm me the password here :P  yes. sorry pappasadrian <RLim> tonight is the first time I was home sitting and not just getting ready for bed <RLim> lol <RLim> been busy for about a week. Wake up, go to work or somewhere. get home and sleep <RLim> so no chance to sent the last batch i know the feeling no worries <RLim> Craig ask for a bunch more <RLim> so I'll sent the rest to you? <RLim> :) i dont know what quantity we're talking about but, what the heck why not <RLim> lol you can always return them it will only take me 5 minutes of work, no matter what quantity, anyway, just for the record I was reluctant to volunteer because I as slow at that kind of work: but I *do* have two monitors set up. and for volunteer time keeping <RLim> chadE ask for more. But I might have already sent it to him <RLim> he was the first one to return them <RLim> About 16 per file <RLim> there might be 2 or 3 that is already a member <RLim> so even if you are slow as long as you finish them :) 16? i was expecting hundreds <CraigNobbs> hella <RLim> should I sent notice on twitter about the meeting <Wilson> yo <CraigNobbs> err hello send all the rest to me then :P <RLim> that's one file there is about 20 files <RLim> some are 25 forms in a file <RLim> *are <RLim> hello <Wilson> yes please, Ric. <CraigNobbs> Hey Ric, you sill owe me some files, eh? <Wilson> Facebook is covered <RLim> yes I know I know. I'll sent it out tonight <CraigNobbs> ok... <CraigNobbs> I thought we wanted them for this GM... I can multi-task if needed =) <CCitizen> 250 entries that'd probably take what 4 hours? <Wilson> I really wish the heat in my apartment worked. its -29 out there  :( <CraigNobbs> I did 4 files in about two hours... <-- Data entry monkey This is all dancing around the who (and how) is doing voicing. Wilson: it's still nice enough around here to have the windows open <Wilson> You wanna die? >:( <Wilson> Anyways, yes, voicing. Only -20 here AFIAK...Environment Canada agrees +14 here atm :3 <Wilson> The old members are in the system and easily searchable, right? <RLim> I'll do voicing <RLim> phillipsjk: do you have a copy of the membership list? >#canada< PM RLim you name and e-mail for voice. <RLim> phillipsjk: I am not a channel operator RLim: If I do, I haven't decoded it yet. phillipsjk: I am not a channel operator damnit It is not that your think I am stupid, but how stupid do you think I am ;) <RLim> lol well ?! 01:16:57 [PirateIRC] -|-     |- montreal-ca.pirateirc.net[0CA] --- | Users:     1 ( 0.2%) what is this? you can see why i might think that :P <RLim> Rob Ford have joined us <CraigNobbs> oh dear god, no <RLim> lol meeb: that server was pulled out of the round-robin out of fear of a possible root-kit. never did put it back. Not sure what scrutiny (if any) to give the server. well given i'm the only person with root on it atm <NorthernCracker> phillipsjk: I didn't plant any rootkits, I only spin it up and gave meeb access <NorthernCracker> I think I also zlined Craig once for tavis, heauheauheau <CraigNobbs> zlined? <NorthernCracker> block your IP cause he wanted you to stop talking Ok, now I recognize your name. <NorthernCracker> you just rejoined on another server Pat told me to come so you can meet quorum adpaolucci, even if you didn't, what about the NSA? nope, it was locked down. only me and meeb had access and well now I guess DarkNyan too and anyone else you guys have the password database to <CCitizen> Really it's not like the NSA needs root access they have a bunch of root SSL certs they can intercept shit with :P ^that Well, no sign of Broken Syntax also have you guys started yet? Because I want to put forward a motion <CCitizen> Anything you say here isnt exactly secret... it's like talking in public <RLim> superhobo666: are you a member? want to get voiced? I think the PPCA should propose a merger with the Online Party of Canada Yes, I figured out we can't block the NSA without physical access. I should be a member, but I don't know if my paperwork has been filed yet. I've been asked about it at 3 GM's now lol phillipsjk: even with baremetal access you can't lock them out. <RLim> superhobo666: pm me <CraigNobbs> The NSA has an assigned IP range... I've seen a list of IP addresses assigned to the Federal Gov't for the USA... Perhaps we can find that and add that who list =) @RLim Alright <CCitizen> I dont think the NSA would be as dumb to come here from within their registered IP block ;) CraigNobbs: I did that for a while, did nothing, they don't do ops out of them, they use AWS and a DC out of HK too, I forgot the name Verizon manages it Hmm, attendance seem poor. *seems There wasn't much warning. <CCitizen> Well adpaolucci is a member "member" I only saw todays Reddit post, and yesterdays Facebook post. <CCitizen> adpaolucci, darknyan, JMcleod, thor <CCitizen> drew should be too So I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people missed the notice for a message for a meeting* It was buried in the bottom of the e-mail I finally received. I think we should post meeting times/dates across all social media the day of/day after a GM, and send out reminder emails/posts a week or so ahead. <CraigNobbs> I thought we sent out the email last week <CCitizen> Honestly just voice poeple who are present I don't know about an email, I don't think mine is on the books since my paperwork is still in limbo somewhere but I didn't see a single social media post about the meeting until yesterday and today <RLim> CCitizen: without verifying? <CraigNobbs> ummm no The party is on life-support, you expecting trolls? <CCitizen> Technically phillipsjk can grant people membership as part of president powers :P trololol <CraigNobbs> omg, don't start this again k :P Typical Quakenet admin, lol <CCitizen> If we cant even get 15 people to vote on shit then we shouldn't even bother trying to stay a registered party *cough* ^ also I have some letters from EC that I still need to drop to pat I didn't open them want me to? That would be nice. i'll voke er, vote Wait, open them, or drop them at Pats? i have a network pop in canada i'm practically canadian Do I have permission to open them? Well like I was saying, outside of emails (my paperwork is in limbo still) I didn't see a single post about a meeting until yesterday and the day before. two days is not enough notice for many people <CCitizen> We have our meetins on the 3rd wednesday of every month... that's like a months worth of notice every time :) adpaolucci, how long have you had the letters? is there a reason to think it is urgent? because me meeting with pat is rough ground. I've been to busy to swing by his place I've had them for a week or so <RLim> who is it addressed to? big brown one for ric one elavon one Yes yes, it is a good reminder, unfortunately life doesn't always allow us to remember things. a week ahead Social Media reminder would be wonderful incase someone missed an email or is still waiting in limbo 2 for mccrea Like I am. lol and 1 small one for ric want them opened now and me to just tell you guys what they are? <CraigNobbs> To all of those who don't remember... Do you have a modern cell phone with a calendar and the ability to set appointments and/or reminders?  MmmmHmmm... I thought so.  =) because I won't be seeing Pat till either this Friday or next week <RLim> CCitizen: what are you doing? My cellphone is... somewhere Is XFaCE active? <XFaCE> yes <CCitizen> He just sent me a message <RLim> are you doing the voicing now <RLim> ? I haven't even had to touch it in two weeks, I forgot where I put it. lol <CCitizen> I dunno, noone else is doing it so <RLim> boy you are eager to disband the party me? I've been busy working 7 days a week sorry the roof over my head takes priority i dont think there will be quorum tonight <XFaCE> hello leader Wilson so, if that's okay with you guys, and considering my time zone i'd rather go to bed I am thinking this is just going to be an informal meeting. Next date is ... Dec 17 which may have poor attendance as well. <Wilson> hello XFaCE 8:00? <XFaCE> how's it going? I get the impression that you've settled into the leadership role fairly comfortably now? <CraigNobbs> 8:00 EST Dec 18th superhobo666, yes, Eastern <Wilson> more or less. http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/11/20/vancouver-has-banned-the-doorknob-is-the-rest-of-canada-next/ also wat CraigNobbs, thanks for the correction. phillipsjk: is the server going to be online for the foreseeable future then ? I think so. ok how do I voice <RLim> pm me <RLim> drew meeb: if we don't rebuild the part we may revisit that issue in a few months whne server renewal comes up. phillipsjk: i'll put it back in the RR then OK, thanks. derpaderp! <CCitizen> Actually... I dont think we should disband the party. However, the ship is sinking and even as we try to bail water out we're going down. We need to do something to fix the problem. I feel we should pursue a merge with some other party. I hear the Online Party has got their act together and have all the stuff we've been struggling with including things like voting systems and forums and what not. It's not like their views and beli <CCitizen> efs are entirely incompatible with our own. <Wilson> I believe the major issue that people objected to last time was their complete support for direct democracy. I recall that the issue was rejected but not the reason. Should be in the wiki though <CCitizen> Weren't we trying out direct democracy before? <CCitizen> like liquid democracy and stuff? The German Pirate Party does, don't recall PPCA doing that. <Wilson> Within the party, yes. I believe the online party wants DD for the country CCitizen: You mean 0-day democracy, heauheauheau <CCitizen> Anyways it's not something we should vote on now (since we dont have a quorum) but we should look into the possibility... i mean we got what like 20-30 active members and a list of like 1000's of inactive members OK, I am going to call the meeting in 10 minutes. <RLim> I would say more like 270+ members who are still interested. at least. <Wilson> yah, based on who opens the party emails <RLim> Other PP have that numbers going into election and are more successfully than us <CCitizen> I have to say I wouldnt mind seeing some setup where constituents can let their views be known to their MP more readily ^ <RLim> that's always been our plan since our first candidate in Winnpeg North run <RLim> but we need to be elected as MP to have that fund <RLim> we've planned that before <RLim> might be good to spell that out in our policies <CCitizen> It seems the party has been considering merging with the online party almost since the party started <RLim> ah it's more liek getting them to join us <RLim> *like <CraigNobbs> Yeah so anything vpn related on the agenda? For some reason I am reminded of the Marxist-Leninist Communist split. ha <Wilson> or as Rick Mercer put it "splitting the lost cause vote" Informal meeting, so if you have something to mention, do so. do we have any response to https://twitter.com/SpaceDevCoop/status/401829926422073344 ? Well if we want to set this up, we should take a vote <CraigNobbs> no votes tonight... quorum not met <CraigNobbs> at least, not formal ones <CCitizen> I was just suggesting we should you know open up talks with them Canada could always use industry, but I'm not sure if space industry is something we should be worrying about when we've alrwady got holes in our border patrols. psema4, our only angle would be communication satellites IMO. and we badly need a forum out of testing and working <Mordecai> yup <CraigNobbs> IMNSHO, I think that a party that has their "shit" together/in order would not want to even discuss the issue with another that doesn't have their "shit" together/in order. it doesn't have to be so fancy <RLim> I guess we'll stick with Drupal Craig makes a point, if we want to do a merger or even just share resources with them, we need to get ourselves organized the Diaspora idea sounds ok, but not so important now <RLim> since separate phpbforum would require separate login <RLim> and there does not seem to be working integration module yet <RLim> to allow single login between Drupal and php there is, it's just a bitch. <RLim> we'll just change the theme of Drupal I can help with the forum once I'm more free (December 10) <RLim> thanks drew Ok, I promised to call the meeting now. Is there a motion to adjourn? we lost a lot of people because our whole site was changed <RLim> ok if there's won't be a meeting I'll just go prepare the data entry files for craig and adrian I can do a bundle as well. <RLim> thanks next time we add new features we should make sure they are fully working before switching over I'll motion to adjourn <Wilson> ^this <RLim> second Also, + to what Drew said All in favor? drew: Travis wanted Wordpress, and wouldn't take no for an answer aye aye <Wilson> aye aye I still have the old site backups <CraigNobbs> Ric, how many files are there in total? <CraigNobbs> aye Carried. Thanks for attending. <RLim> since the signup page came back up we have seen several new members signup <Wilson> Since the motion will probably come up next month as well: who would like me to talk to the online party about a hypothetical merger? <RLim> \usually follows our press release so we should be more active there the red and black site was working well then we kept playing around with it needlessly drew: want the old site backup? I'm not saying we should go back to that one. It's time we add something more modern of course <CraigNobbs> @wilson: not yet. We really need to get our house in order first adpaolucci: I think it would be good to have an archive of the conversations adpaolucci, do we have a copy somewhere? I don't even know what we have for back-ups. Wilson: I'd support broaching the topic but I'd prefer to have an open meeting between both - in some irc channel or something phillipsjk: I have roughly 50GB sitting on my tape drives Does anybody else, that you know of? so just put it on one of the servers and tell me or whoever but I have to get going to sleep soon I think Nuit has some but that was over a year ago I have the most complete I think I think I would like a copy once I get my personal sh*t together. just tell me where to dump it got my email still right? yes. I suppose I could set up write-only ftp or SSH or something. <CraigNobbs> later fellas
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