GM 2013-09-25 transcript

 "/msg RLim" with you e-mail and postal code *your It seems like this would make things easier. (as long as the nicks are registered) jlamothe: we don't have that functionality yet >#Canada< please /msg Rlim your e-mail and member number for voice. I suppose postal code may actually be more reliable at this point.  hiho  yes folks please provide postal code instead of member number for tonight  my postal code changed recently  my postal code from germany? :D Is it here for the general meeting? carldebilly: Yes. :-) Thanks.   My first time here even if I'm member since many years...  am I confirmed Ric? Thanks for coming.  one sec. technical difficulty. :P Someone give me access  So Mikkel, you in Montreal these days?  yeah  loving my new home  it'll be a while before my French is good enough to run for office here, though... You have another year or so ;)  You hear one of the NDP candidates in Bourassa is an IP lawyer? (nothing against ip lawyers, they just tend to be stronger supporters of copyright).  depends, so is Michael Geist...  touche  if anything, we're better off having people who genuinely know what they're talking about having seen it from the inside  most of us, even party members/candidates, are working on received knowledge from moving in very particular circles <Wilson> That really depends where they stand and I haven't been able to get a reply from her. Maybe after she potentiALLY WINS THE NOMINATION. MikkelPaulson: That's a very valid point. <MikkelPaulson> yeah <Wilson> *sorry damn caps <MikkelPaulson> it would be interesting to hear from her for sure; she's either a potential ally or potential enemy <MikkelPaulson> personally I would love to have an IP lawyer on board to help us tighten our platform and build a more viable vision for the future of copyright <CraigNobbs> Hello hello <Wilson> yah, maybe you could drop by her campaign to ask her thoughts? Its a pain hiding I'm in Alberta and I have no french to speak of so maybe you'd have more luck. >ccitizen< I assume you still consider yourself a member? <CraigNobbs> I'm making dinner for my kids. I'll be back and forth to my screen for the next ~20 minutes <DataPacRat> How important is French to non-Quebecois candidates? <MikkelPaulson> quite possible; I'll reach out to her and see if I can set up a meeting <Wilson> thx Mikkel. <MikkelPaulson> DataPacRat: language depends exclusively on your riding; outside of Quebec and parts of New Brunswick, it's not a big deal <Wilson> @DataPacRat you mean in ridings outside Quebec? Except NB not really important <MikkelPaulson> other languages may be an asset, though, in a multicultural area There seems to be a dearth of users here. Was there supposed to be a meeting today at 2000hrs EST (GMT-4)? <Wilson> ...you beat me to it <MikkelPaulson> :) <RLim> "/msg RLim" with you e-mail and postal code to get voiced for the meeting 17 extra people milling around. <DataPacRat> rekabis: That was my understanding, yes. Thank you. Now the meeting can only be 1 hour instead of 90 minutes :P <DataPacRat> Is there a target number of members for tonight? <Wilson> 15 only 3 more to go <Wilson_> gah dc'd brb <anon_can> I see a lack of meeting Is there something we're still waiting on? <MononcQc> Hm Quorum, mainly just a few more verifications for quorum we are there methinks I count 14. <E2><80><A6>and here I busted my ass to get online in time.  If you have not already, /msg Rlim your e-mail and postal code for voice. <DataPacRat> We're so close - and we've had a few people who'd been +voiced logoff, and would have hit 15 if they hadn't... :P <anon_can> I refuse to help towards quorum. <PeterDowdy> why :< <Wilson_> I'm here. Dc'd so I need reauthorized so we have quorum LOL wat. Why refuse? They may have their reasons. <webchat_1008> They may not <DataPacRat> If I'm not mistaken, that's now 15 with an @ or a +. <Wilson> yup :D >#canada< OK, we have quorum. Meeting is now underway. please move off-topic discussion to #canada-riffraff <anon_can> I see no indication that all whom are oped are active @everyone with a webchat_ nickname, you can change it with /Nick newnick Anybody have objections to the Agenda outline? <MikkelPaulson> seems rather vague to accept or reject <DataPacRat> (No objection here.) MikkelPaulson, good point. <MikkelPaulson> nothing but "receive reports", whatever that means no objection here, let's do it. <MikkelPaulson> but I guess we'll find out <MikkelPaulson> objection withdrawn Go for it Will we discuss the adoption of a new asynchronous platform for meetings? Chadkoh, +1 <PeterDowdy> as a web developer that sounds like a fun topic cf. https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=GM_2013-07-17_transcript cf. https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=GM_2013-06-19_transcript <webchat_5438>. Ok, so after getting all of our signatures in by the end of JUne, we got a 60 day extension for filing additional paperwork. The person working on it decided that since they did not see a lot of activity in the party, they were just going to let it die. So we missed filing paperwork on our extended deadline. <webchat_5438> Do we have someone doing the paperwork now? https://www.pirateparty.ca/newsletter/2013-09-18-gm-notice/ ^ for anyone who did not get the e-mail notice <Wilson> It is at the auditors as we speak. <webchat_9094> If someone could post this on the FB page it would be appreciated! Thx <webchat_9094> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mnuofn_DXw That means that if Elections Canada decides we were acting In bad faith, they can deregister us <webchat_9094> and good luck with the governement webchat_9094: please take it to #canada-riffraff <Wilson> However, as of yesterday we have not received the "you have 30 days or else" letter wilson, do you have any other details? <carldebilly-mtl> Sorry to ask something maybe everybody already knows, but what is this paperwork? Who can fill it? <Wilson> Other than that barring a mass screwup on the auditors part we should be fine on that issue. The more pressing concern is seeing we don't end up in these kind of do-or-die scenarios again. <Wilson> financial. basically what money we got,how it was used. Normal yearly Elections Canada audit <webchat_9094> lol Thor  thanks for your welcome here webchat_9094: you are welcome to participate in the ongoing meeting. <MikkelPaulson> this is a place where we might reach out to other pirate parties and/or other small Canadian parties, to find out how they've handled that hump <MikkelPaulson> a significant percentage of our money and effort is tied up in this, relative to the larger parties Has anyone thought of a managed online document system like OwnCloud or SharePoint? That way, everyone involved can see the current state of documents and pick up the slack if someone else slacks off. I would suggest Google Docs, but that i s useless for anything other than basic text documents. And even then<E2><80><A6> <PeterDowdy> What kinds of documents are you planning on storing? I would think a mix of Word and Excel docs, with final versions converted into PDFs. In june we purchased a multifunction printer for scanning paperwork. <anon_can> Man this is all fear and chaos when I open my eyes. <anon_can> So who the fuck is chairing this? Do we have a point of order? oh, it's you! <DataPacRat> (I don't suppose Elections Canada is willing to accept purely digital versions of the paperwork in question?) anon_can if you don<t want to contribute to quorum, you can"t raise a point of order. <CraigNobbs> Philipsjk is, afaik <webchat_9094> https://www.piratepad.ca/p/September_25_Agenda  i guess The government accepting digital documents? I think you're a few decades too early... <webchat_9094> peace <anon_can> Philipsjk: no but the party charter states there is to be a point of order or the meeting is to be ended in a timely manner rekabis: These computer things will never catch on anyways... Andrew, let us have our meeting, if you may <carldebilly-mtl> I suspect the problem is not the way to send those documents, but more to fill them.  Once they are completed, just print them and send them ;-). <RLim> the auditor is away for a couple of days. They will contact us when he comes back. But the person who looked at our files, a part timer did not relay any message that anything is missing <RLim> so it might be up to the main auditor now who should be back next week <RLim> Election Canada have been informed <RLim> other than that I don't think there's any more update on that issue The difficulty is that we are spread across the country. as well. Is that all the officer reports? <CraigNobbs> Have we made quorum at this point? <RLim> I have a quick report for The Fund yes. sure, go ahead. <RLim> I did not prepare a detailed breakdown of our bank balance since we were busy with the EC stuff <RLim> but our Paypal balance is at about $180. Bank is at about $7,400 plus the outstanding cheques (64 of them) which have now been deposited <RLim> that is about $1,291.01 if nothing get stale dated <RLim> end of report Thank you rick. any questions about the report? /me shakes head <MikkelPaulson> this may not be germane to the reportr <carldebilly-mtl> Nope. <MikkelPaulson> but any plans for the money aside from election funding? Any commitee reports? <RLim> We have set aside budget to pay someone to do the books and make sure the return are filed with EC <Wilson> What is the main reason we still have that Papal account (given the trouble it has given us in the past) <RLim> but the person did nothing after accepting that position I would think that some people feel safer donating through PayPal than via a naked credit card. <Wilson> ah k Wilson, I assume it lets us accept credit cards without merchant account. So having a PayPal account would make them donate more freely. <RLim> they can mail cheques also since we have that under control now <DataPacRat> (As long as whoever is in control of the PayPal account empties it regularly into the main bank account, to keep PayPal from being able to freeze up significant funds.) <webchat_5963> allow bitcoin donations <PeterDowdy> they're allowed, i thought DataPacRat, They can pull money out of you bank account AFIAK. <RLim> yeah we usually transfer them to the bank but there was not much activity in Paypal lately. Mostly cheques (agreed. PayPal can be a right git when it comes to freezing accounts. One of the problems you get when a financial institution isn't regulated like one.) Bitcoin is a good idea <DataPacRat> Yep; Bitcoin to 1QKpV91YsrW6c1vF9bmYpUnzzv5wXLuKzY goes to PPoC. <MikkelPaulson> agreed; logistically it's a challenge but totally worth it webchat_1008, we do allow Bitcoin donations; keep in mind we can not keep annonymous donations over $20 <MikkelPaulson> especially now that it's stabilized It does not yield much, but it's more about the message <CraigNobbs> We shouldn't be using BitCoin. It's not Canadian tender. <MikkelPaulson> true; it may be wise to get a legal advice on that point <webchat_5963> it has quite a bit of popularity in #yeg but not too much at the same time <RLim> We'll just ask EC directly. If that qualifies as non-monetary? <webchat_5963> bitcoin is real money <RLim> or just ask about donation of quity <RLim> *equity <RLim> which will be similar in a way webchat_5963: money and legal tender are different things. <MikkelPaulson> one way or the other you wouldn't get a tax receipt for Bitcoin contributions <webchat_5963> that's the beauty of bitcoin xD <carldebilly-mtl> There's payment gateways who can process bitcoins and translate them to CAD immediatly, so you're always receiving CAD, not bitcoins, in your bank account. <webchat_5963> seems good <DataPacRat> (Sorry for the derail. Pray continue the meeting.) <MononcQc> Isn't there an issue of traceability and transparency in using bitcoins to finance a party? <RLim> yeah we have to work out the mechanism >anon_can< assuming you are Andrew, did you mail that invoice you promised yet? <CraigNobbs> We don't know the origin of BitCoin accounts and cannot verify that they are in fact from Canadians. We should not be accepting it. <RLim> if it's under $20 it could be anonymous <CraigNobbs> @RLim: It still has to be from a Canadian citizen <MikkelPaulson> so ~0.1 BTC CraigNobbs, that should not be a problem if the member identifies themselves. <carldebilly-mtl> The receipt should be issued in the translated CAD, not in bitcoin currency. <webchat_5963> yea.. just donate funds over $20 that are anonymous I guess <RLim> Should we move that to EB to sort out how to handle that? <MikkelPaulson> would it be possible to create a one-use Bitcoin address, so you enter your account information, get a unique address, and transfer your money? <webchat_5963> yea <PeterDowdy> Yes <CraigNobbs> I move that the issue of BitCoin be moved to the EB for further discussion and resolution. though I learned Section 405.31 of the Elections Act prohibits cash contributions over $20 when the overall limit is $1000 (now $1200). <webchat_5963> there are so many bitcoin addresses available, humans can't even imagine how big the number is. so generating a one time use bitcoin address is no problem <MikkelPaulson> CraigNobbs: seconded <RLim> yea, I suggest moving it to EB and anyone who is interested in helping set the guideline can contact EB The EB already approved Bitcoin donations in Loomio. Aye, if the eb is okay with it <CraigNobbs> MOTION ON FLOOR: The issue of BitCoin be moved to the Executive Board for further discussion and resolution. SECONDED by MikkelPaulson <DataPacRat> (Pardon me; is this still connected?) Agreed. <PeterDowdy> Aye <Wilson> yes data Aye <carldebilly-mtl> Agreed. aye yes <Hackair> aye <DataPacRat> Aye. <webchat_5963> aye aye aye Thanks Craig <CraigNobbs> no worries. =) <CraigNobbs> aye <MononcQc> aye <RLim> webchat_5963: you are not voiced. please message me with your e-mail and postal code Also, if I may be excused, I have a headache and staring at a monitor at 4am doesn't really help <RLim> aye. (issue being setting guideline) I see 14 votes in favour, carried. er 15 oh 14 Are there any commitee reports? I suppose we should discuss the best way to hold meetings. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: +m would be useful. IRC meetings have been receiving poor attendance (and can drag on if the chair is not careful) <carldebilly-mtl> That's a first time for me and I find it not very efficient. Is it always like that? Yes, thinks seem slow on IRC. *things What are our alternatives? <MikkelPaulson> Mumble? <MikkelPaulson> PPDE uses it <RLim> Mumble is very efficienc the few times we used it for EB. But not everyone can get on mumble everytime <RLim> and for larger crowd like GM not sure that would work so well <webchat_6648> (DataPacRat here; sorry for the disconnect, but am back.) I imagine that we'd get even lower attendance if we required specialized software. <PeterDowdy> mumble+voice? that could make minutes harder. a text format is easier to document A quick note from me on the topic before I go. Anything that allows threaded discussions with a way to vote is good enough. (for asynchronous meetings) <RLim> so one thing that's been working for us at PC and EB is asynchronous meeting through loomio Somebody suggested loomio ( that the boards are already using). That costs per-person I understand. At least with text you have a history to work with that is easily scannable by the human eye. <RLim> but loomio is kind of limited also in size For example WordPress If we get the forum back up, that may be an option. Has anyone thought of a basic forum software, just with the page length set crazy long, like 100 posts long, and the pages set to refresh every few seconds? <webchat_1120> hmm, this page seems to be down: https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/  It was linked to from this page where it says "we woud like to hear from you" https://www.pirateparty.ca/about/candidates/ <DataPacRat> Is there any reason a standard forum package wouldn't be sufficient? Phillipsjk, loomio becomes chaotic with big discussions <RLim> so I am trying to work on our crm and thinking of expanding it to a hangout and meeting place since we are missing a forum right nog <RLim> *now I have worked a long with PHPBB in the past. <PeterDowdy> Given that there's a web IRC interface, I don't know if a forum would be more approachable than this <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/ Also, *not WordPress, phpbb <RLim> it will just be like Wordpress, members can post anything for any topic including meetings <RLim> so it would be like blog, wall post (ala facebook) etc *a lot, not a long THe nice thing about PHPBB is that you could hold a meeting over a few days to get consensus. <PeterDowdy> a forum could be good for discussing upcoming agenda, although a blog + comment system would accomplish the same thing The thread would have to have email notifications turned on, so anyone not actively logged on would get a notification with every post. Loomio has a deal for not for profit orgs <DataPacRat> I would be very happy if the PPoC gained a working forum again, PHPBB or otherwise. Can we nudge that forward? That way we could maintain quorum. I run my own servers. Would you like me to throw something up over this weekend? <PeterDowdy> that format seems analogous to that of a mailing list Doesn't have to be permanent. I agree with a forum and Id be happy to help setting it up <carldebilly-mtl> Old-style video-conference on the web could be nice, no? Easier to attend than text-based systems. With video, you'll have more people I think. <PeterDowdy> people would need video cams Except a mailing list would send reams of emails to everyone, whereas the forum would only email those not actively logged on. <PeterDowdy> i agree with a forum; that could be a helpful way of opening communications outside of meetings <DataPacRat> If there were a video conference, I'd likely attend as a text-only chatter. <RLim> my.pirateparty.ca runs on Drupal and I can organize it in different views for normal chatter/forum, planning campaign, brainstorming or motion for a GM I don't have a cam. Heck, I don't even have a mike. <MikkelPaulson> personally I think getting rid of the old forum in favour of Reddit was a very bad idea <PeterDowdy> If it runs on Drupal then it's easiest to just grab a forum extension and install it <webchat_1120> yea but it could get chaotic <webchat_1120> *if you use video we have Reddit and a forum and all sorts of other properties... can't we make one of those work rather than using a new one? <RLim> PeterDowdy: I am thinking more of a post. People can post anything and you categorize it by different topic Let's set something up quick and dirty for short-term use, and then plan something out for long-term use. THat way, a forum for us specifically gets up and running quick, and a forum for general users goes up when it's good and ready. <DataPacRat> Anyone mind if I move that PPoC should look into hosting its own forum again? <RLim> reddit could remain for non-member but my.pirateparty.ca will need login rekabis the PPCA has our own server rented. <RLim> maybe viewable for anonymous non-registered user Okay. Just curious. <Hackair> What about something like Skype, or Google Hangouts. They use video and chat at the same time. Don't need a camera if you don't have one. We even have backups of the old forum AFAIK. datapacrat do it <RLim> Other Pirate Party have used Wordpress for brainstorming their platform or policies and it works nicely <RLim> Hackair: but not good for 15 + people <PeterDowdy> it should be straightforward to just use Drupal's forum module; you should be able to set multiforum and also set access lists to create distinct member / general fora. datapacrat move that general meetings move form IRC to https://my.pirateparty.ca/ rather than specifying tech for now <DataPacRat> Alright, then: I move that the PPoC look into hosting a forum on its site, with the possibility of non-synchronous official meetings hosted thereon to help improve attendance. <Hackair> True but it should be real time for meetings. IMHO second <CraigNobbs> FYI: The current services that the PPCA currently employs, such as Reddit and the underlying structure are being changed in the coming months. We will be moving off of Reddit on to our own forum software. This is currently being discus sed within the EB, though we haven't reached a decision as of yet. <webchat_1120> what if there's like a forum thing, right? but instead of typing, people can record themselves speaking on video <RLim> Hackair: we could still have options for that if needed. Just give a specific days of notice <RLim> webchat_1120: that's always possible with a forum and post <PeterDowdy> motion on the floor is that the PPoc look into hosting a forum on its site, with the possibility of non-synchronous official meetings hosted thereon to help improve attendance <PeterDowdy> aye <RLim> We just need a motion ... <CraigNobbs> NO MOTION IS APPROVED realtime chat is fine, as long as it is logged... but votes (ie qorum) should be asynchronous <PeterDowdy> o i c <CraigNobbs> THE EB ALREADY IS DOING THIS The current motion: that the PPoC look into hosting a forum on its site, with the possibility of non-synchronous official meetings hosted thereon to help improve attendance. <RLim> ^ so that if we don't have quorum in IRC in the future we already have OK from members to move to asynchronous format aye chair thinks otherwise hehe <RLim> CraigNobbs: but we need to make it official that GM will now be officially asynchronous Aye <CraigNobbs> It's already official <RLim> no our constitution says IRC I may have to leave soon. If I do so, will this meeting still be within quorum? <MikkelPaulson> it can be amended if need be <RLim> only members vote can change that <DataPacRat> (How difficult would it be to amend the constitution re IRC?) rekabis, we are good I think. see you around rekabis <MikkelPaulson> quorum and 2/3 majority I think <RLim> EB cannot simply amend the constitution Thank you. I never expected this meeting to go on for more than an hour-half. <RLim> and one problem is we have not had quorum in GM for a while <CraigNobbs> I understand that, but the issue with the EB is to look into that and then present that in a future GM to the members at that point. This has already been brought forth and is why the EB is looking into it. I'me good for another 10. Then I wonder why we have been talking about it in three consecutive GMs without quorum <RLim> But motion here right now would give us the authority to change the constitution to move from IRC to asynchronous format <PeterDowdy> how do you determine quorum in an asynchronous meeting? <CraigNobbs> We haven't even finished determining which systems to start looking at. There is nothing for the EB to change at this point. <DataPacRat> PeterDowdy: Private messages to an authentication account, similar to what's done here? What was decides was that we would form a committee to look into various systems for asynchronous meetingw That committee never worked though <carldebilly-mtl> :-( Does anybody want to join the committee? Peter, quorum could be counted at each vote I think we did have a similar resolution months ago... I do, I did in the past too, but I was the only one <RLim> worse comes to worse we can put up a forum and use that in the interim <DataPacRat> Would it be worthwhile to put a time-frame amendment on the motion, such as to have a response in a month? <PeterDowdy> pappasadrian ok that could work We had a similar resolution I would be willing to join said committee if it would help <RLim> don't know how current this is <RLim> https://www.piratepad.ca/p/LoomioRulesofOrder Campfire is an excellent tool for asynchronous communication, but it costs. At least $24/mo for enough chatters to reach quorum. And we had the one month timeframe in the last resolution Dejavu much? :-P Rekabis, I'd only choose open source stuff <RLim> But this time we'll make it next GM is asynchronous <DataPacRat> How hard would it be to at least stick a fast-and-dirty PHPBB forum onto the site, working out meeting details after that's set up? I know. Just thought I'd point out that product, tho. <PeterDowdy> datapacrat the site runs drupal, so it should be extremely straightforward to enable the forum module <MikkelPaulson> I'll look into async forums I've done fast-and-dirty within an hour or two. It'll be pretty rough around the edges, tho. <MikkelPaulson> I may be able to develop something without too much trouble <CraigNobbs> @RLim: We cannot do that. we don't have any structure in place, and a change to the constitution takes two consecutive GMs <Wilson> Ok, my internet and/or irc is misbehaving so I'm going to note (before I drop for good) many of the problems discussed come back to lack of volunteers, and poor use of volunteers. The party needs people willing to help out with social media, forum admin (if it gets back up), organizing locally, IT, research, etc. If you have time, even a little, and want to help drop the party a line at info@pirateparty.ca <PeterDowdy> who is the drupal admin right now? <RLim> ok anyone interested in helping out message me with your contact info <MikkelPaulson> sorta a "+1 I was here" button <RLim> I am PeterDowdy Rlim, you know me :-P count me in just messaged you RLim Ok, we had a very similar resolution in the MAY 15 meeting The committee was suppost to include somebody from the IT committee, a member form the EB and a member form the PB. *from <DataPacRat> (I seem to be half-disconnected; this window can still send IRC lines, but isn't receiving any, and private messages are iffy. I'm reading elsewindow. RLim, I'm interested in helping out, and you should have my email from my +v /msg to yo u.) I was the one from the PC but nobody else volunteered from it or eb pappasadrian I should have more time now. <CraigNobbs> @phillipsjk: Yes, though it ended up being mainly the EB that took over because of the issue with the IT Director. I should have more time in a week <CraigNobbs> I seem to recall being the EB member that spoke up for that The current motion: that the PPoC look into hosting a forum on its site, with the possibility of non-synchronous official meetings hosted thereon to help improve attendance. <webchat_6817> CraigNobbs: Was that IT Director the same one who caused the paperwork issue? But yeah we'll figure something out <PeterDowdy> phillipsjk: seconded should we amend the motion? <CraigNobbs> @webchat_6817: yes <Hackair> aye <CraigNobbs> The vote is not open To vote for the motion say aye, else nay <DataPacRat> Aye Ooop Aye s aye <Mordecai> aye <carldebilly-mtl> aye Aye aye (again) <CraigNobbs> NAY And I'm outta here. Late as it is. we had a request for an ammendment aye <MikkelPaulson> aye Oh Hackair? <Hackair> aye <PeterDowdy> aye Did you want to amend? <webchat_1120> what are we voting for? aye <RLim> sorry aye. Ignore trailblazer <webchat_6817> webchat_1120: The current motion: that the PPoC look into hosting a forum on its site, with the possibility of non-synchronous official meetings hosted thereon to help improve attendance. I see 12 in favour, 1 against. The motion is carried. It is better to ammend motions before voting on them though. <webchat_1120> aye CraigNobbs, want was your proposed ammendment? *what People are leaving, so I would like to close the meeting if possible. <DataPacRat> (It's now around 90 minutes since the suggested starting time; is any other significant business planned before we lose quorum?) <PeterDowdy> ok any other motions? We had: Approval of agenda Officers Reports Commitee Reports motioned on Asynchronous meetings <RLim> remember to message me your contact info if you want to help with the forum / asynchronous meeting site Seeing none, I move to adjourn the meeting. Should we have a vote qbout the committee for the asynchronous platforms? discussed Accept bitcoins <carldebilly-mtl> nothing about the late paperwork? <PeterDowdy> that was discussed <PeterDowdy> it is currently being audited <RLim> the only other thing referred to in our GM notice is member's input on how to prevent the problem we had in the future. Or member's input on how to improve our party. <CraigNobbs> @phillipsjk: The motion was directed at the party in general. It should have read something more like "The EB to research and report back to the next GM about moving the GMs from IRC to an asynchronous meeting style as well as a timeline to implimentation." <RLim> We sort of discussed it earlier The may 15 motion mostly captures that we could just implement it :) Any second for my motion to adjourn? Fair enough seconded <CraigNobbs> As it stands, though a loose interpretation of the two motions, the fate of the GMs is in the hands of the EB. Inb4 aye And goodnight  The current motion to adjourn the meeting. say aye for yes, else nay for no. <Wilson> aye <Mordecai> aye <Hackair-yvr> aye <CraigNobbs> aye <PeterDowdy> aye <carldebilly-mtl> aye aye <RLim> aye aye <DataPacRat> aye aye Carried Thanks for attending everyone. <RLim> CraigNobbs: we have 6 volunteers to help us so far. So we can start planning what to do >#canada< meeting adjourned. <RLim> 90 minutes is short compared to our other meetings that just drag on to midnight :)
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 * RLim gives voice to DataPacRat
 * phillipsjk does not want another 4 hour meeting
 * RLim gives voice to carldebilly
 * RLim gives voice to webchat_6440
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 * RLim gives voice to chadkoh
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 * phillipsjk hugs rekabis
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 * RLim gives voice to webchat_1008
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 * RLim gives voice to pappasadrian
 * RLim gives voice to CraigNobbs
 * RLim gives voice to Wilson
 * webchat_6642 is now known as brendon195
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 * rekabis 'shakes head'
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 * RLim gives voice to DataPacRat
 * RLim gives voice to Wilson
 * phillipsjk is having trouble keeping up
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 * carldebilly-mtl is interested to help too
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There was some ensuing dissusion about asynchronous meeting platforms mainly centering on forum software.

Discussion also moved on to how to engage volunteers.