GM 2014-10-15 transcript

  evening everyone. hey Wilson how's it going?  mmm Could be better. sorry to hear that  Just a lot of things piling up. Hi everybody! Hey! yeah, I've been moving all week and studying for midterms. Stressful. the crappy weather doesn't help  Wilson: at work?  Things don't really pile up at work, just gets in the way of working on other things.  weird tweet  Richard Fahlman ‏@rpfahlman 2m2 minutes ago  @piratepartyca Are you expecting a hostile takeover or a possible mutiny? ;) goodluck!  Ric, you authorizing people?  you can start messaging me to get authorized  Haven't been on an IRC in ages. How does this GM usually proceed?  message me with the e-mail you ued to register for membership  *used We wait for people to arrive, usually one person speaks at a time.  CharlesD in a disorderly fashion. :P  Typical of Pirates ;-) <RLim> please message me with your registered e-mail to get voiced <webchat_6968> Apologies, I didn't realize it was only for registered members <RLim> need 3 more <RLim> no webchat_6968 you can stay <RLim> you just can't vote <webchat_6968> Alright, that sounds good, thanks <RLim> 2 more not sure if this'll be useful backdrop music for a ppca commerical but created a short 30s audio clip if anyone wants it: https://soundcloud.com/psema4/back-to-basics-preview <Wilson> Do you need to be logged in? It says I can't find it <RLim> same here yeah, you need to log in because it is a private track or something hrm. k, 1 sec <RLim> ping oxpirate thor MononcQc CCitizen k, should be public now <MononcQc> RLim, I'm here <RLim> hi TylerMcNab <TylerMcNab> howdy, sorry im late <RLim> message me your e-mail to get voiced. <RLim> we have not started yet <CharlesD> What is the min number of members required to get started? <TylerMcNab> (cant remember ghow to send a message.. sorry, been away from irc for a while I tried 'private chat', but RLim doesn't seem to see it <CharlesD> "/msg nick message" <Wilson> 10 members to start CharlesD, I think it is 10. We can"t really lower it anymore. (was 50 then 15 IIRC) <Wilson> psema4 I like it, using various effects to bring policies onscreen synched to the music would be cool. <RLim> grantolio: RLim is just slow :) Please check your e-mail now Wilson: thinking to grab a bunch of cc licensed photos from around the country and fade through them while showing text; just havent found time to try it yet :( <RLim> I have a script about piracy and sharing <Wilson> and we have quorum I believe? <CharlesD> Excellent <RLim> yep quorum+1 <Wilson> omg +1 a miracle ;) <CharlesD> Who is leading this meeting? <RLim> ah no VP so secretary? <Wilson> Phillipsjk unless Ric wants to chair Ok, we don't have the Pirate Pad fixed yet. <RLim> phillipsjk: is more disciplined :) The Agenda mailed out was: An update on the creation of the 2015 election platform. <webchat_4100> Can we elect a pirate in 2015 ? Please please please ^ <Wilson> I can give the update A discussion on an issue that must be resolved if the party is going to function even half effectively. Reminder that the party leadership elections are approaching -Discussion on commitment involved <RLim> do we want officers report first? -Discussion on commitment involved <RLim> I have financial report to give Any other business the membership wants to bring forward. <Wilson> go ahead ric I guess we can add that in <CharlesD> I second adding the financial report <RLim> We are pretty much as poor as last time :) <RLim> choose your format <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/publicdoc/2014-09-financial_status_draft.png <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/publicdoc/2014-09_endofmonth_financial_status_DRAFT.pdf <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/publicdoc/2014-09_endofmonth_financial_status_DRAFT.ods <RLim> png, pdf or ods <RLim> still draft because I still have to get some receipts added to the file. <RLim> Was distracted with our mayoral debates earlier <CharlesD> Wow. Ok. Since I am new, I definitely have questions... lol <RLim> go ahead CharlesD <RLim> pdf and ods have breakdown itemized list <webchat_4100> You actually pay for a server <webchat_4100> question mark <RLim> yeah <CharlesD> How are we working to attract donations and membership? <RLim> I think having a completed policies will be our main recruiting tools for candidates or members <webchat_4100> This is dope. I love servers. :D <RLim> Thinking of doing an ad to show that $400 donation at years end have 75% deductions. So a $400 donations will only cost you $100 after the refund <Wilson> 1. calls for donations in monthly newsletter, occasionally the same thing on social media. Switching to life-time memberships was also an attempt to 'sweeten the deal'. <webchat_4100> People are scared of the "pirate". They think we're ISIL friends. <CharlesD> Have there been any fundraising events in the past? >phillipsjk< CTCP PING <RLim> We are offering merchandize again <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=3 Apparently the VPN was a very good fundraiser. <MononcQc> I feel it'd be easier to ask for funds once we got a platform to present, sadly <RLim> still trying to find cheaper vendor. But might offer it at cost and just ask for donation so more people can afford them <Wilson> irl fundraising? Not to my knowledge. <CharlesD> MononcQc, agreed. Yes I want to bring up the VPN at this meeting <RLim> yeah that was a steady stream of revenue when it was up <RLim> $10 monthly <webchat_4100> didn't we had a french website once or I'm wrong? <RLim> here's our flag btw <RLim> https://vimeo.com/107671661 <MononcQc> that *is* a cool flag <Wilson> Are there any more comments on the report itself or can we move on? <CharlesD> Not on the report itself. <CharlesD> Move on next item: An update on the creation of the 2015 election platform. <MononcQc> situation is more or less stable <Wilson> ok, I'll give the report <Wilson> Policies ready to be voted on by the membership: 10 <Wilson> Policies rejected as unworkable: Approx. 10 <Wilson> Policies currently being debated: 6 <Wilson> Policies yet to be looked at: Approx. 47 <MononcQc> it seems debate died down on the currently discussed topics, too. We should fast-track that stuff. We're only 1/3 of the way through <Wilson> Self-set due date: november <MononcQc> I feel like we should also have some openness on what has been done, voted against, voted for, and left to do somewhere. Progress bar of some sort? <CharlesD> Newsletter is a good platform for that MononcQC <MononcQc> true. I started and abandoned a "metrics" wiki page months ago. <MononcQc> I liked the pace of the debate we had between these two meetings on the forums, fwiw Any more comments on platform development? <Wilson> a progress bar would be nice. If possible the Political Council should have an online meeting to try and wade through the completely unworkable suggestions (which I think make up a lot of whats left) <MononcQc> we clearly need to pace it up as a political council <RLim> I think we can fast pace this by having a mumble meeting to hash things out <RLim> and continue online for those who can't attend live meeting <MononcQc> that sounds decent, if we can get good overlaps <MononcQc> (and maybe a recording) voting app would help automate a progress bar <CharlesD> Where would live meetings take place? <RLim> psema4 for PC and EB or policies. Policies should have comment field for each vote agreed <RLim> I am hoping to setup mumble on our new server. But we have a candidates who have mumble server <Wilson> any further comments about policy development? <MononcQc> whenever the mumble session is ready, I'd like to know when and what is needed a few days in advance so I can take my night off for that <MononcQc> otherwise, no comments from me. A discussion on an issue that must be resolved if the party is going to function even half effectively. (that seems vague) <RLim> yeah maybe have an all nighter :) <CharlesD> What issue <Wilson> guess thats me too. this will take a sec. bare with me <RLim> CharlesD: you can also contribute through my.pirateparty.ca reddit.com/r/piratepartyofcanada twitter @piratepartyca and facebook (I think piratepartyca) I think a live meeting would be a challenge, given the overall scope of the party budget. Skype sure seems affordable. <CharlesD> Noted RLim <MononcQc> I only use my.pirateparty.ca/tracker because I can't easily figure out the rest <Wilson> Over the last little while the day-to-day running of the party has fallen to just three people, at least two of which have stated they wish to take a step back from the party at the start of 2015. 3 ppl is also not enough to run the party during an election. In short we need to increase the number of people who are helping out for things like press release creation, social media etc. <CharlesD> I would be willing to help there <CharlesD> Within my capacity, of course. <MononcQc> I'm willing to help review texts, translate, etc., but I frankly do not have the time for a lot more personally. <Wilson> fyi this is not a criticism of other members of the leadership. we are all busy and even if they could help more often I'd still think we need more helping us. <CharlesD> I can assist with social media, translation... Contact me later on that topic. <Wilson> Ric, grab CharlesD and don't let him go. <RLim> yeah everyone's busy but PC members (majority) do give valuable comments through forum. But like Wilson said not alot of people to run the party <RLim> messsage me your e-mail address CharlesD :) We have a bit a a "chicken and egg" problem: people are ignoring the party because nothing is happening. Nothing is happening because people are ignoring the party. <MononcQc> how do you figure what needs to be done, by the way? Is there a to-do list somewhere? I've always said I am willing to help, but I think you guys have to do better at asking for it <RLim> Yeah we should probably start a wiki page and rank the priority <TylerMcNab> ^ <RLim> We might have to be more specific <MononcQc> I'd like that. I'm figuring press releases are about watching the news and reacting, but how does it work? <MononcQc> how do you run the party? <RLim> administrative stuff <RLim> also server admin help or guidance would be valuable <MononcQc> I'm ready to learn a few things and document them as we go, too, and that would be healthy practices for when people leave (whether willingly or not, or accidentally0 <AndrewC> I believe that would be a helpful step in generating more interest in tackling specific projects, I'm sure (regarding a more formal "to do" list) <MononcQc> I do ops all the freaking time, so ops is a thing I could spare time for here and there, if I knew where things were and what needs to be done. For IT stuff, I have been at a loss as to *where* to document stuff. use a tiddlywiki and put behind a basic auth realm <MononcQc> message me via email or whatever, let's get something set up and evaluate the options <RLim> I am trying to start documenting everything about administrative stuff <RLim> https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/administrativia IE: is the wiki too public? <RLim> since our problem with last transition was the new people were at a lost <MononcQc> RLim, cool. <MononcQc> so I'm thinking: - TODO of things related to things members/council can help with - TODO of IT stuff - TODO of admin stuff <RLim> for IT #1 is piratepad <RLim> been down for a while <Wilson> Ric, mordecai says he's willing to help. Take him at his word and grab him too :) <RLim> yeah I already have his e-mail <RLim> I'll add him to a mailing list <RLim> if he is not there yet <Wilson> k, lets follow through then.  :) RLim: piratepad > voting app? <MononcQc> add me to IT or whatever if help is needed Do we have a chair? point of order - we're not on the adgenda </> OK so the VPN has been working for a few months now, there was a free trial. Now currently need to restore the keys, but I can get that working soon, I just want to know if it is ready for me to put live? <RLim> yeah. I can coordinate with you. I'll put up a signup page on my.pirateparty.ca and confirm who have paid I don't think you have been paid the last two months either. (drew) ok good. Once I have it working again, I will tell you. I think need it on our pirateparty.ca domain. <RLim> ok sent me an invoice or e-mail with amount phillipsjk: Ya it's ok, I've been lazy, so it's my fault. I'll send you the invoice soon. <Wilson> guys, I think we are slipping into IT again (not that there is anything odd about that). <RLim> leadership elections? <Wilson> approaching fast I have to go soon, but I'll stay idle, if anyone has more comments about the VPN, they can write it and I'll read it later. <Wilson> the last few years we've kind of been blindsided by them since they happen right after the holidays. I'd like us to be thinking about them before then. Having a pool of nominees would be nice as well. <RLim> how do we get the word out? Social media? <RLim> newsletter I guess <Wilson> both probably. A previous organization I was with wrote up job descriptions and asked for nominations ahead of time with mixed success. could we gamify this? create a super simple app that lets members read up, answer polls, "vote" before teh big day? <CharlesD> Technical issues, sorry. Back. psema4, I am leary of online voting type things. <Wilson> np CharlesD talking about the up-coming party leadership elections. phillipsjk: the idea being a game might help get the word out or at least raise some interest, not a real voting app but something playful <RLim> If we have somebody who can do it sure <RLim> just for promo to get nominees i've been gathering resources for an online vr meeting place (*huge* pirate ship, pirate character models) I can do a prototype but it won't be polished <RLim> yeah as long as it is functional You mean, a VRML page? Those never took off. phillipsjk: no, oculus rift / google cardboard and other side-by-side rendering viewers can turn 3d off so everyone could use it (three.js is awesome ;-) <RLim> hi Pearce_ <Pearce_> NickServ GHOST <Pearce_> I'm so sorry about that <Pearce_> New to IRC <RLim> if anyone wants to volunteer message me. Even if you are busy. As long as you dopn't mind an occassional e-mail pointint out opportunities. Only help if you are able <MononcQc> count me in, assuming I don't get a busy IT/translation duty <Wilson> Well, if there are no further comments I guess it comes to any busines the membership wants to bring up. It would be cool if we had a volunteer sign up where you enter your contact info and your abilities, and then it just gets added to a list of volunteers. <Wilson> +1 <AndrewC> Excellent idea. <TylerMcNab> ^ <RLim> Good idea <webchat_6968> I don't mind hearing about volunteer opportunities (can't commit to anything atm, but perhaps in the future?) working on something similar at work, will see if I can get a foss license on it <RLim> webchat_6968: you can provide your e-mail if you don't mind getting e-mail <MononcQc> cool. <RLim> we need to bring piratepad back up for the people begging to get access to their work <webchat_6968> yeah, sure. it's marina.funtikov@gmail.com http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-create-a-skills-matrix.html RLim: is the pad more important than the voting app? webchat_6968, should I blank that in the transcript? <webchat_6968> Probably, yes, thanks <RLim> psema4: I was hoping a reset would bring it up. I've tried it did not work. Maybe someone more familiar with the system? <RLim> or nginx I think I can get a simple alternative up for the time being, will need a couple hours. would rather do that than continue fighting pp That would not immediately help retrieve old docs. But if it would be simpler to maintain, it may be something to look into. I distrust Google docs because you don't have a chance to op-out when they push a new version. etherpad in 4 lines: http://sharejs.org/ <MononcQc> this is probably a thing for IT, but I'd be interested in knowing about backups and whatnot to some extent of the pad? pads* <MononcQc> of whatever we have <RLim> MononcQc: should I use your pp e-mail for the volunteer list? <MononcQc> personal email might get faster answers, but it's going off our mail servers and whatnot <MononcQc> I guess it depends how sensitive the stuff is <RLim> psema4: but can you track if someone deleted your text? <Wilson> If any members have stuff they want to bring forward don't be shy, the IT people won't bite. We have had at least one request to delete old posts on the old forum too (that has not happened yet, AFAIK) RLim: if it's not an option I can set something up <RLim> MononcQc: it should be okay. Most people have off party e-mail <MononcQc> cool. <RLim> phillipsjk: we have not revive the old forum so that is not an issue <RLim> who else wants in to the volunteer mailing list me you have my e-mail? <RLim> I think we should break down the task to small pieces to make it easier for people to pick up <RLim> mordecai: already added. thanks <RLim> so our actions from tonight looks like: <RLim> organize a mumble policies all nighter <RLim> create a wiki or something for volunteer task <Wilson> -put our new volenteers to work <RLim> create a signup for vpn when drew's ready? <RLim> a nice app would be volunteer and subcategory to skillset <RLim> but we don't have large volunteer base yet to worry about that Move to adjourn? <RLim> and have a basket of task people can commit to. Small task is better. Modular <CharlesD> Please contact me with those task bits and I will see if I can take a couple off the list. <Wilson> move to adjourn. (although welcome to hang around and chat) <TylerMcNab> Just to be clear. the membership is not voting on any of the policies that were in the agenda today? <RLim> nothing to vote on. usually motions for bylaw This feels like a less structured meeting than previous meetings. <Wilson> the plan was to get all of the policies approved by the PC before sending them to the membership <TylerMcNab> sounds good. missed that :) <Wilson> I may not have said it >.< <AndrewC> Does that mean we can expect/hope to be voting on policies at the next meeting? (given the self imposed november deadline I heard mentioned earlier) <RLim> but we don't have large volunteer base yet to worry about thath <RLim> yikes <RLim> lol <RLim> we'll see how the all nighter goes if we can schedule one <AndrewC> (work-voice coming out there a little bit... intended more as a query than an expectation) <Wilson> Strickly speaking, the policies could go directly from the PC to the membership and bypass the GM. This may be preferable due to the SIZE of the platform. We would be here all night. ahaha, yeah that would be ridiculous given the amount of policies you stated <RLim> should we break it up. I guess as long as we allow people to revisit until deadline <RLim> so they don't have to do it in one seating :) <Wilson> that said, we have a motion to adjourn, can we get the vote called? <RLim> second second >#canada< vote on adjournment <RLim> aye aye aye <AndrewC> aye <Wilson> aye <TylerMcNab> Aye <CharlesD> aye aye <MononcQc> aye carried 8 for, 0 against. er 9 for Thanks for coming everybody. <Wilson> good meeting everyone. <CharlesD> This was my first PPCA GM.. Was interesting. Glad you could make it CharlesD <CharlesD> Yes, despite not having used IRC in about 15 years, I had to recall all of the commands somehow. lol RLim, I think it would actually be neat to release it in chunks and have people vote... but thats just me. <RLim> Anyone wants to volunteer or be a lurker volunteer message me your e-mail address <RLim> thanks <MononcQc> IRC still surprises me in terms of convenience compared to many other group chat apps <CharlesD> RLim: Just to be certain, you got my email from earlier, right? <RLim> yeah CharlesD thanks <RLim> yeah MononcQc <CharlesD> Good evening everyone, see you at the next gathering. <MononcQc> evening. <RLim> night I was thinking the website could use a bit of a makeover, but obviously not a priority right now. Just seems like it could be a bit cleaner, a bit more organized, and some of the info needs to be updated or added. Might be something to plan for once the new policies are finalized. <RLim> mordecai: we are moving to the new server and the new site will likely be hosted on Drupal. So we might be looking at a Drupal template cool <RLim> Well I guess I have to pay another month of server until we complete our move
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