EB 2012-07-22 transcript

 NOTE: All log times are in Canadian Central Time

18:41 < JMcleod> Alright lets officially start the EB meeting 18:41 < JMcleod> 1st - Minutes 18:41 < SeanHunt> I suppose I'll call PC to order too. 18:41 < JakeDaynesPPCA> We don't have quorum for PC? 18:42 < JMcleod> Yeah, but the meetings still get called to order and adjourned due to lack of quorum 18:42 < RLim> Johann, you and Sean 18:42 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Johann is no longer on PC 18:42 < JMcleod> Johann is VP now 18:42 < SeanHunt> ^ 18:42 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Alright SeanHunt, AWQ it 18:42 < RLim> oh yeah so we really need to get that PC election hash out or we'll be back to being frozen again 18:43 < RLim> looks like Travis won't be participating much if he is considering resigning 18:43 < Johann> If Travis or Shawn were here you guys would have quorum 18:43 < SeanHunt> PC is now adjourned. 18:43 < SeanHunt> yeah 18:43 < Johann> Shawn should be showing up once he's back from beliz 18:43 < SeanHunt> ^ 18:43 < JakeDaynesPPCA> I'm looking for help with recoding the voting btw 18:44 < RLim> has the EB meetign been called to order? 18:44 < Johann> I'm always willing to help, but I still don't know if I've got the skills. 18:44 < JMcleod> Yes RLim, have minutes for last week? 18:44 < SeanHunt> JakeDaynesPPCA: for approval voting? 18:44 < SeanHunt> JakeDaynesPPCA: maaaaaybe 18:44 < SeanHunt> probably not though 18:44 < JakeDaynesPPCA> Not necessarily - just the hashing stuff 18:44 < SeanHunt> btw 18:44 < RLim> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EB_2012-07-15_minutes 18:44 < JakeDaynesPPCA> for verification 18:44 < SeanHunt> did anyone get PC minutes for last year? 18:44 < JakeDaynesPPCA> unless we're not doing verifiable votes 18:45 < SeanHunt> err last week 18:45 < CCitizen> Personally I think we should write quorum values in on the off chance we end up with a large PC after our next by election or general election 18:45 < Johann> SeanHunt: I posted them to the wiki 18:45 < SeanHunt> CCitizen: I believe MPs don't count to quorum 18:45 < SeanHunt> Johann: they aren't linked from the PC page 18:45 < JMcleod> TY RLim - Thats what I remember too, if we passed a motion let me know ;) 18:46 < SeanHunt> CCitizen: or at least, that's what I was told :P 18:46 < SeanHunt> CCitizen: how goes the committee by the way? 18:46 < JMcleod> But for now, consider them approved 18:46 < RLim> ok 18:46 < JakeDaynesPPCA> (is semi-afk playing oblivion due to lack of quorum - ping me for questions) 18:46 < SeanHunt> JakeDaynesPPCA: oh right 18:46 < JMcleod> JakeDaynesPPCA - How was your weekend? 18:46 < SeanHunt> I wanted to show you something 18:46 < JMcleod> ok ill brb 2 secs 18:47 JakeDaynesPPCA steam sale? 18:47 < CCitizen> The constitution one 18:47 < JakeDaynesPPCA> JMcleod: Good, missed going to Florence and the Machine though 18:47 < Johann> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/PC_2012-07-15_minutes 18:47 < JakeDaynesPPCA> jhowell:  nah, PS3 18:47 < SeanHunt> Jake: http://people.scs.carleton.ca/~clark/academic.html 18:47 ah 18:47 < Johann> I figured I'd add them once they were approved 18:47 < CCitizen> It's a bit slow but yeah I think we need to revisit the PC recall election procedure 18:48 < JMcleod> 2nd point for EB 18:48 < SeanHunt> CCitizen: yeah, that one 18:48 < JMcleod> June 17th, the following was adopted: 18:48 < JMcleod> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EB_2012-07-15_minutes 18:48 < JMcleod> oops 18:48 < JMcleod> Travis McCrea moved "that the PC ask for a short summary by next meeting from Jhowell to outline his plan to increase the IT Committee's effectiveness and output and state any challenges he is facing." Motion was adopted without dissent. 18:48 that was like 3 meetings ago 18:49 < RLim> JakeDaynesPPCA, did Travis ordered t-shirts from PPI? Will it be shipped to Vancouver? 18:49 < CCitizen> Yeah though the PC hasnt had quorum for 2 or 3 meetings has it? 18:49 < JMcleod> Really, musta forgot to remove it from my list then 18:49 < JMcleod> :) 18:49 hehe 18:49 < Johann> CCitizen: No, we made quorum recently 18:49 < Johann> the minimum, but we made it 18:50 the result was removing the need to have weekly meetings, backvoting when necessary. 18:50 < JMcleod> Yeah, PC has been getting quorum more than EB actually lately 18:50 < JMcleod> Oh right that rings a bell 18:50 < JMcleod> ok then only what Sean said earlier is left 18:50 < Johann> We've got quorum, eh? Is there an agenda? 18:50 everyones fine with it, works being completed without extra delay. 18:51 < JMcleod> Nah, no agenda, but Sean said that we need to call a special meeting for the elections for PC 18:51 < SeanHunt> yeah :( 18:51 < JMcleod> For nomination process 18:51 < SeanHunt> or we can try to ratify things retroactively 18:51 < JMcleod> And I agree, so what do others think? 18:51 < SeanHunt> that may be cleaner 18:51 < CCitizen> Yeah I mentioned that 7pm wasnt the best times for me but I try to make it 18:51 < Johann> Yeah, makes sense 18:51 < RLim> so nomination by forum is not official? 18:51 -!- Broken_Syntax [HydraIRC@199.254.rtl.orw] has joined #canada-meetings 18:52 < SeanHunt> Travis' resignation /probably/ can be accepted by PC and/or EB 18:52 < SeanHunt> RLim: right 18:52 < SeanHunt> but we could just ratify that too and have the committee take care of things 18:52 < SeanHunt> (constitution committee I mean) 18:52 -!- Broken_Syntax [HydraIRC@199.254.rtl.orw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53 < Johann> Is he officially resigning? 18:53 < JMcleod> Not until he makes a motion to that effect he isnt 18:53 < JMcleod> :) 18:53 < CCitizen> Personally all things considered it'd almost be just as good to put all the power of the IT Committee in the IT Director's hands when a meeting isnt in place... then we dont even need backvoting it'd just be treated as approved unless people complain 18:53 < JMcleod> Although I forsaw him over-extending his responsibilities 18:53 < SeanHunt> I am going to be resigning soon 18:54 < SeanHunt> CCitizen: that's how it's going to work anyway 18:54 < SeanHunt> I've seen these things before :) 18:54 < SeanHunt> (it should meet to discuss the voting resolution it was handed though) 18:55 -!- Broken_Syntax [HydraIRC@199.254.rtl.orw] has joined #canada-meetings 18:55 < SeanHunt> welcome back, Broken_Syntax 18:55 < JMcleod> Alright so do we want a special nomination GM? Sure we do, when do we want it? 18:55 < SeanHunt> Well or we can set the rules ourselves and ask the GM to ratify that 18:55 < SeanHunt> I think I prefer that option, honestly 18:55 < Broken_Syntax> SeanHunt, thanks, just fixing my vpn setings on my laptop. All better now. 18:55 -!- Wilson [webchat@174.35.zrt.wnx] has joined #canada-meetings 18:55 < CCitizen> Well if we do it on Wednesday that'd conflict with IT Committee again 18:56 < SeanHunt> it does run the risk that if we're wrong, we are in serious trouble 18:56 < RLim> hmm should we wait for Travis to officially resign? 18:56 < SeanHunt> i.e. if people reject the ratification 18:56 < RLim> I guess it won't matter 18:57 < RLim> for defining the process 18:57 < JMcleod> And on the contrary 18:57 < JMcleod> If we dont make quorum for a GM 18:57 < JMcleod> the election gets in hot water 18:57 < SeanHunt> the inquorate meeting could accept nominations anyway and have that ratified too 18:58 < JMcleod> True 18:58 < JMcleod> But really nominations are a formality 18:58 < SeanHunt> here, they aren't 18:58 < SeanHunt> getting on the ballot is important since it's accept/reject 18:59 < RLim> what if someone wants to nominate someone and can't make it to a GM? 18:59 < SeanHunt> if we had write-ins, then if someone was voted for by only one person they'd have 100% approval! 18:59 < SeanHunt> RLim: Then you send someone else in your stead. 18:59 < SeanHunt> Personally, I'm partial to just having another process. 18:59 < SeanHunt> Having nominations at a meeting isn't whaat's important. 18:59 < SeanHunt> It's important that there is a defined process. 18:59 < JMcleod> Our constitution should give EB/PC the possibility to accept nominations (not refuse them) IMO 19:00 < CCitizen> I really wish we had the constitution committees fixes in place 19:00 < SeanHunt> one could argue that we do in fact 19:00 < RLim> I hope more people run and get above 60%. We can't keep having 5 member of PC only and when one quit we're stuck again 19:00 < SeanHunt> I think 19:00 < SeanHunt> in any case 19:00 < SeanHunt> I would suggest that someone suggest a process and move to hold nominations that way 19:00 < SeanHunt> as long as there is a simple process, it should be fine. 19:01 < RLim> Well we can send out an e-mail saying we need nominations 19:01 < CCitizen> Anyone who makes a post in the forum before the election date is considered nominated and on the ballot? 19:01 < SeanHunt> CCitizen: Anyone who starts a new topic announcing their nomination 19:01 < SeanHunt> anyone who posts in the forum seems a bit heavy-handed :P 19:02 < RLim> yeah CCitizen. Agree. If the person who posted on the forum can't make it then we can nominate on their behalf 19:02 < RLim> Sorry CCitizen, I mean it becomes basis for nomination on GM 19:03 < RLim> you can be nominated without a post during the GM 19:03 < RLim> *on the forum 19:03 < JMcleod> Alright, so any suggestion on a date for a special GM 19:03 < SeanHunt> Question 1: Do we want to hold a GM? 19:03 < SeanHunt> If so, we don't need to care about forums or anything 19:03 < CCitizen> I mean people who post their candidacy get approved... Right now is the nomination and campaigning portion because voting happens later 19:03 < SeanHunt> someone at the GM can nominate anyone who expressed interested on the forum. 19:03 < RLim> but if a candidate got nominated by someone in the forum and the person did not show up. Do we automatically nominate the person on their behalf? 19:03 < SeanHunt> it worked fine the last two times 19:04 < CCitizen> Yeah or we can nominate everyone at the GM... like last time... 19:04 < RLim> You also need time to allow people to ask questions on the forum 19:04 < RLim> some sort of campaign period 19:04 < RLim> No! CCitizen. lol I hope you are kidding 19:04 < SeanHunt> sure 19:05 < SeanHunt> anyway, you're the EB, you decide 19:05 < SeanHunt> :P 19:05 < CCitizen> I think we should also notice in the Special GM that we may alter the start and end dates of the election 19:05 < RLim> hmmm. As long as they agree and post in the forum to get people to know them bettert 19:05 < RLim> *better 19:06 < CCitizen> Basically give everyone until the next GM to nominate and campaign and then have people vote when the GM ends until the polls close 19:06 < CCitizen> Also if Travis does resign it gives us enough time to handle that as well 19:07 < JMcleod> Actually, I think we should hold a GM, and at that GM decide if we want to accept any member that posts his willingness to be a candidate OR to decide if we do nominations at that time and then proceed to nominating. 19:08 < SeanHunt> If we do nominations at the GM, nominations are automatically accepted 19:08 * SeanHunt goes back to afking 19:09 < RLim> How about, we sent an e-mail calling for nominations to be posted on the forum and to be officially approved at the Special GM. So the Special GM should be few weeks away 19:09 < CCitizen> If we are going approval method then it might make sense to give a longer campaign time 19:09 < RLim> Or just wait for next GM 19:09 < JMcleod> Well it has to be approval method 19:09 < SeanHunt> the election date is before the next GM 19:09 < SeanHunt> hence the problem 19:09 < CCitizen> Lets do a special GM and offer a nomination procedure and alter the time/date of the PC byelection 19:09 < SeanHunt> (and hence why it's my fault) 19:10 < JMcleod> And hence why we should have a special GM on August 1st 19:10 < RLim> But e-mail and post on forum that the nomination process and campaign has started. Election starts after the next GM 19:10 < RLim> darn 19:10 < RLim> nvm 19:10 < RLim> I am not making any sense. lol 19:11 < JMcleod> But a special GM on August 1st would conflict with IT meeting right? 19:11 < RLim> Sent out an e-mail saying the nomination process have started. Set a date few weeks after before election date to call a special GM to approve nominations and extend the date of election to after the next GM 19:11 < JMcleod> Sent out ? 19:12 < RLim> send 19:12 -!- Irssi: #canada-meetings: Total of 10 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal] 19:12 < JMcleod> Yes, so how would you feel with a special GM on August 1st? 19:12 < RLim> Broken_SYntax and Wilson should consider running. I'll nominate both of you. 19:12 < RLim> CCitizen also 19:13 < RLim> we need more people to prevent falling below minimum of 5 PC members again 19:14 < RLim> one sec 19:15 < JMcleod> Also, maybe Johann, jhowell & CCitizen could give their input on this ;) 19:15 < RLim> We can make it another day since it is not the regular GM 19:15 < JMcleod> But which other day 19:15 < RLim> August 2nd? 19:15 i really don't have any input on it. what is the dilemma you are having? just the timing? 19:15 < JMcleod> Basically, when would it be 19:15 well 19:15 IT comm meeting REALLY is lower importance 19:16 people generally will show up to a GM 19:16 vs an IT committee meeting 19:16 < CCitizen> we dont have to call the special GM on wednesday 19:16 hell 19:16 < RLim> yeah. August 2nd Thursday could work if we sent out the notice early 19:16 < JMcleod> well, we can call it any day, but which is best for us getting the most members online for that meeting 19:16 if someone does show up for an IT meeting and see something going on in #canada then win win 19:16 < CCitizen> technically we could call it for tuesday too 19:17 < JMcleod> Tuesday would give them exactly 1 week to campaign 19:17 < JMcleod> *officially* 19:17 < CCitizen> I mean the 31st.... 19:17 < CCitizen> which might be better because then IT can meet and discuss how to handle the voting thing 19:18 < RLim> Then the e-mail should go out today to give time for people to nominate and post on forum 19:18 < RLim> or consider whether they want to run 19:18 < CCitizen> So far Jessie has expressed an interest in running 19:18 < RLim> we need more than one. 19:19 < CCitizen> Yeah 19:19 < CCitizen> Well if it's going to be approval based I'll run too maybe 19:20 < JMcleod> I move that we call a Special GM, aimed to dicuss nominations for the upcoming PC by-election, on Tuesday, July 31st 2012. 19:20 < CCitizen> Thats good 19:20 < RLim> yeah 19:21 < JMcleod> ok lets vote - voting starts now 19:21 < Johann> Sure 19:21 < JMcleod> aye 19:21 aye 19:21 < RLim> aye 19:21 < CCitizen> aye 19:21 < JMcleod> Good - now thats outta the way. Special GM to be called for July 31st 2012 19:22 < JMcleod> Any other EB business? 19:22 < Johann> Wilson asked me to bring forward some by election business 19:22 < CCitizen> We can discuss the notice a bit... I think we should give notice that we seek to change the elections running dates 19:23 < RLim> and discuss what goes in the e-mail 19:23 < Johann> Gimma a sec to find the message 19:25 < JMcleod> well the election running dates would be what? That was set at the last GM to be from the 7th to the 14th iirc 19:25 < CCitizen> Well Wilson can talk too I think the only thing he cant do is make a motion himself 19:25 < JMcleod> Yeah, Wilson can speak with us, no rules on who speaks :P 19:26 < JMcleod> Plus I like, Wilson, I'm wearing his shorts, with his name written on em 19:26 < JakeDaynesPPCA> http://torrentfreak.com/young-pirates-evicted-from-festival-for-giving-out-free-waffles-120722/ 19:26 < Johann> Bev Oda is resigning, which means there's going to be a by election in Durham. Suggestion was to send an email to any Pirate Members in the riding and adjacent riding to see interest in becoming candidates 19:26 < SeanHunt> Uh one thing 19:26 < CCitizen> Well the party has a special rule of order that says everyone can talk by default so :) 19:26 < Johann> ridings** 19:26 < SeanHunt> you should at Travis' potential resignation to the special GM agenda 19:27 < SeanHunt> *add 19:27 < SeanHunt> CCitizen: that is only a GM rule 19:27 < Johann> So yeah, any thoughts on that? 19:27 < SeanHunt> yes 19:27 < CCitizen> ah I thought the GM rules cascaded down when there wasnt a conflicting rule in place 19:27 < SeanHunt> JakeDaynesPPCA: do you want to write it? 19:28 < SeanHunt> CCitizen: It's Complicated (tm) 19:28 < JakeDaynesPPCA> I will 19:28 < SeanHunt> ok 19:28 < CCitizen> Write what about the by-election in Durham 19:29 < JMcleod> Well Sean, on the other hand, I'm not too fond of the idea of talking about someone's resignation in a letter to membership without the person concerned asking for it directly. 19:29 < JMcleod> Johann I think its a good idea to write to membership about that 19:29 < JMcleod> However, would this not be best left to PC? 19:30 < CCitizen> Also special GM able to handle anything else that pops up? 19:30 < SeanHunt> CCitizen: No. 19:30 < SeanHunt> A special meeting can cover only the business it was called for. 19:30 < JMcleod> Special GM = For our PC by-election only. 19:30 < SeanHunt> hence my comment that you should add Travis' resignation to it 19:30 < SeanHunt> or else we may have /another/ by-election 19:30 < CCitizen> Ok so right now our notice has the nomination for PC election and the election itself 19:31 < CCitizen> Good point I do wish Travis was here 19:31 < RLim> what is JakeDaynesPPCA writing? 19:31 < SeanHunt> he told me he is going to resign 19:31 < SeanHunt> put it on there; if he doesn't want to, he doesn't have to 19:32 < SeanHunt> JMcleod, RLim: Jake will write the letter seeking candidates 19:32 < SeanHunt> (Jake, can you hit Etobicoke too?) 19:32 < RLim> oh ok. thanks 19:32 < JMcleod> Yeah, I think the PC should handle messaging for the Durham election 19:32 < Johann> Well sounds like then PC is dealing with that issue 19:32 < RLim> yeah I forgot 19:33 < SeanHunt> yeah 19:33 < CCitizen> Well Jake is the PC but yeah 19:33 < SeanHunt> I am too! 19:33 < CCitizen> Yeah true 19:33 < JMcleod> I mean, we can approve if need be, but I think this is a matter of "must get done" 19:34 < SeanHunt> silly to approve 19:34 < SeanHunt> I think there's a standing rule about it anyway 19:34 < JMcleod> I agree :) 19:34 < Johann> I've also said that we should create a new position called the "Volunteer Coordinator" 19:34 < Johann> Any thoughts on that? 19:34 < CCitizen> Also need to talk with Ric and Jake after the meetings are done about fund stuff and constitution stuff 19:34 < JMcleod> Well, the VP is the Volunteer Coordinator 19:35 < JMcleod> As per GM vote, to which we must live with :) 19:36 < Johann> Yes, but I can foresee some real issues if the Pres leaves and the Volunteer Coordinator suddenly leaves. 19:36 < RLim> yeah 19:36 < SeanHunt> I'm not sure if it's needed 19:36 < SeanHunt> the goal there was to add a new role for the VP 19:36 < SeanHunt> but in any case, you still need to play it out until a GM changes its mind :) 19:36 < JMcleod> Well if the party is without a president & VP ... we're in trouble 19:37 < Johann> No, I meant that when the VP becomes the Pres, they have then left the volunteer coordinator position 19:38 < Johann> So any time the VP must fill the primary job (as a replacement) then you have a double disruption in the party. 19:38 < CCitizen> Good point... if it's a standing rule we should add the VP's duties to the President if the VP spot is vacant 19:38 < RLim> http://dev.pirateparty.ca/pirate-pad/2012-07-31-special-gm-meeting-notice 19:38 < CCitizen> This should last less than a month ideally 19:38 < Johann> That would fix it, assuming the Pres feels that it's a managable list of duties 19:38 < SeanHunt> I think it would be expected that the others would help cover 19:38 < SeanHunt> Pres resigning is going to be a disruption anyway 19:39 < JMcleod> True, but it should be managable 19:39 < JMcleod> I mean, the VP becoming Pres was already doing it 19:40 < JMcleod> I dont know how much work goes into volunteer coordination though 19:40 < RLim> anything else that should be in the notice? before I expand on them 19:41 < SeanHunt> technically EB will have to add specific items to the notice 19:41 < SeanHunt> (/technically/) 19:42 < JMcleod> Well, why would we want to move the election date? 19:43 < RLim> JMcleod, could be huge during a general election 19:43 < RLim> right now election starts on August 7 19:43 < RLim> as per last GM 19:43 < JMcleod> Yeah, thats good, why move it? 19:44 < CCitizen> Probably so if we use approval voting it gives candidates a better campaign time 19:47 < JMcleod> Yeah, but paralyzes PC even longer 19:47 < SeanHunt> and we have a by-election to worry about 19:47 < SeanHunt> I'd prefer getting this done sooner 19:47 < RLim> because it was a motion that was adopted during the last GM. 19:47 < RLim> Sean Hunt moved "that the PC election to elect new members be held with voting from Tuesday, August 7 through Tuesday, August 14." Motion was adopted with 8 ayes, 0 nays. 19:48 < RLim> aren't we using approval voting? 19:48 < RLim> as in apporve, disapprove, neutral? 19:48 < JMcleod> Yeah we are 19:48 < JMcleod> we kinda have to, 19:49 < JMcleod> since Vacancies dont have an actual voting procedure 19:49 < JMcleod> VII.2 Elections Generally 19:49 < JMcleod> Elections for the Political Council may be held only when authorized by this document. An election shall occur for the Political Council at the second regular general meeting following each federal general election. An election shall also occur at the regular general meeting in January unless an election was held during or after July of the previous year, or is scheduled to be held before the end of that year. Elections may be called by the Politi 19:49 < JMcleod> cal Council with a two-thirds vote, or by a general meeting with a two-thirds vote taken by all-party ballot with notice. 19:49 < JMcleod> Elections should be done on an approval basis. There should be a Yes option, a no option and an abstain option. The abstain option should be selected by default and should garner no effect on the approval percentage. 60% Approval garners a seat on the Political Council guaranteed. If there are not enough candidates with 60% approval then the top 5 candidates will make up the Political Council. 19:49 < JMcleod> A candidate for the Pirate Party who wins their seat is automatically appointed to the Political Council with full voting rights. They will not, however, count towards quorum. A member of parliament who crosses the floor to sit as a Pirate MP shall also be appointed to the Political Council automatically as an ex officio member. In either case they retain membership in the Political Council as long as they continue to sit as a Pirate MP. Individua 19:49 < JMcleod> ls who become members of the Political Council through either of these means will not count towards the minimum number of Political Council members as described above. 19:50 < JMcleod> It only says current members are unaffected by this by-election 19:52 < SeanHunt> ... this is getting to be a waste of time? 19:52 < RLim> hmm. So the GM should probably approve the voting process to be for vacant positions only 19:52 < SeanHunt> no, that much is clear 19:52 < SeanHunt> the rest of us keep our spots 19:54 < JMcleod> Yeah I was just asking the reasoning behind pushing back the election date 19:54 < JMcleod> And it led to this :) 19:55 < SeanHunt> well currently the election date cannot be pushed back 19:55 < SeanHunt> unless the EB decides to add that to the special meeting call 19:56 < RLim> which I did 19:57 < RLim> should I put a motion for that? 19:57 < JMcleod> Yeah, you should 19:57 < RLim> so SeanHunt you don't think we need to state that it is for vacant positions? 19:57 < JMcleod> Technically 19:57 < CCitizen> well it can if the Special GM decides to change it 19:57 < JMcleod> we dont, because constitution already says that 19:57 < RLim> yeah so I am just putting it in the agenda and will move it during the special GM 19:58 < RLim> That's probably better 19:58 < CCitizen> Yeah I think giving people more campaign time would be better but that's just me... 19:59 < CCitizen> if we do the approval voting we might end up with even more new peopel on the PC 19:59 < JMcleod> Well, I wouldnt vote for that during the GM, but I'd agree to let membership take the decision on that 19:59 < JMcleod> It is approval voting 19:59 < JMcleod> It has to be 19:59 < SeanHunt> RLim: you should only put in the notice what EB approves 20:00 < JMcleod> You need to give 1 month notice to change constitution 20:00 < SeanHunt> EB has only approved nominations so far 20:00 < JMcleod> so thatd push back PC vote till late September 20:00 < SeanHunt> I think approval is the correct choice 20:00 < JMcleod> I think its the only choice 20:00 < JMcleod> :) 20:01 < SeanHunt> I mean that even if we had the choice, I would suggest approval 20:01 < RLim> I am not changing the constitution. ok I moved that "we propose to the special GM to delay the election to after the August's GM." 20:01 < CCitizen> then again we end up voting in jan/feb for general election 20:02 < RLim> TeamColtra's connection seems to be going in and out 20:02 < CCitizen> I blame the RIAA for his crappy connection 20:02 < JMcleod> sent him this on FB 20:02 < JMcleod> Hey, if you could join us in IRC it would be appriciated. There is a rumour that you are thinking about resigning, is that true? 20:02 < JMcleod> ok 20:02 < JMcleod> lets go with RLim's motion 20:02 < RLim> wrong channel JMCleod 20:03 -!- Irssi: #canada-meetings: Total of 10 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal] 20:03 < RLim> Travis is not here 20:03 < JMcleod> Yeah, I know 20:03 < JMcleod> read the line right before that 20:03 < JMcleod> RLim has moved that we propose to the special GM to delay the election to after the August's GM. 20:03 < JMcleod> Should we vote on that right away? 20:04 < RLim> sure 20:04 < JMcleod> Alright, voting starts now 20:04 < RLim> unless someone wants to discuss it 20:04 < RLim> aye 20:04 aye 20:04 < CCitizen> aye 20:04 < JMcleod> Johann here? 20:04 < JMcleod> aye 20:04 < Johann> AYe 20:05 < JMcleod> Ok - vote passed 20:05 < JMcleod> (not that I agree with delaying, but I dont think my personal feelings should get in the way of consulting members) 20:06 < JMcleod> Ok, anything else we want to add 20:06 < RLim> you can speak against it during the Special GM. 20:07 < JMcleod> btw, Travis still not responding in FB 20:07 < JMcleod> Nope, I dont speak against things like that, its a matter of perspective 20:07 < SeanHunt> travis resigning should be in there 20:07 < CCitizen> Yeah... I think it might help but I'm not opposed to a quicker election it just makes it harder for new people to get known enough for people to feel comfortable voting yes on them 20:08 < SeanHunt> if you want to have the notice say that he has indicated that he may resign and we would like to leave the possibility open, that's fine 20:08 < SeanHunt> but I strongly feel that it should be included in the notice 20:09 < CCitizen> Yeah.. good point 20:09 < RLim> yep it's there 20:09 < RLim> http://dev.pirateparty.ca/pirate-pad/2012-07-31-special-gm-meeting-notice 20:09 < CCitizen> Basically non-committal 20:10 < SeanHunt> needs to be approved by the meeting though 20:10 < RLim> ok I'll expand on that now 20:10 < SeanHunt> err, I mean EB has to put it on 20:10 < RLim> as a motion? 20:10 < JMcleod> Im still hoping he confirms that 20:10 < JMcleod> yeah 20:10 < CCitizen> Yeah 20:10 < SeanHunt> you could also wait like a day to send the notice with his confirmation 20:11 < CCitizen> that works too 20:11 < JMcleod> Or, we could just not name him 20:11 < SeanHunt> although I suppose that if EB puts it on the notice, it should still be on there 20:11 < SeanHunt> even if he decides not to resign 20:11 < SeanHunt> that's true 20:11 < SeanHunt> you could put "accepting resignations" 20:11 < JMcleod> And say that we will accept resignations if any 20:12 < JMcleod> I move that the Special GM also accepts resignations, should there be any. 20:12 < CCitizen> Actually Sean's is ideal 20:12 < CCitizen> dont have to mention who 20:12 < CCitizen> that said lets vote 20:12 < JMcleod> alright, voting starts now 20:12 < JMcleod> aye 20:12 < CCitizen> aye 20:13 < JMcleod> -- RLim - Johann - jhowell -- 20:13 < RLim> aye 20:14 < Johann> aye 20:14 < JMcleod> alright vote passed 20:14 < JMcleod> Anything else? (lets not over extend ourselves for a special GM though) 20:15 < CCitizen> thats fine for the special GM 20:15 < SeanHunt> Johann: do you have any ideas for vlunteers? 20:15 < SeanHunt> *volunteers 20:15 < SeanHunt> I think JakeDaynesPPCA said that there's some stuff in the CRM 20:15 < SeanHunt> maybe you two should work together? 20:16 < RLim> yeah Johann should have access to CiviCRM. A good tool made especially for organizing for advocacy group 20:16 < Johann> I'll talk to him then 20:16 < JMcleod> he's here 20:17 -!- teamcoltra [~travis_mc@166.250.r.jg] has joined #canada-meetings 20:17 < RLim> ping JakeDaynesPPCA earth to Oblivion 20:17 < RLim> hey teamcoltra! 20:17 HEY! 20:17 < SeanHunt> HEY! 20:17 * SeanHunt chestbump 20:17 < RLim> I never played Oblivion. ALways wanted to though. 20:18 < RLim> Hopefully not as time wasting with endless wondering 20:18 < RLim> what's up teamcoltra? How's Illinois? 20:18 < RLim> or is it Idaho? 20:18 Idaho 20:18 Its... America 20:19 < SeanHunt> teamcoltra: I told them about your PM, since it became very relevant with the upcoming election 20:20 < JMcleod> I was playing a game, kinda like family feud and americans were polled. If applicable, the #1 answer was always God or Money. 20:21 < JMcleod> Anyhow, is it tru that you are thinking about resigning from DL ? 20:21 Yes. The United States needs a lot of help 20:22 Since I have taken over as chairman we have increased in activity and the number of state parties that are becoming active 20:22 < SeanHunt> :) 20:22 < RLim> cool 20:22 < SeanHunt> are you planning to resign from PC too? 20:22 significantly 20:22 < SeanHunt> RLim: then you can present his resignation to the GM as secretary 20:22 < RLim> did Florida and other gets into ballot for this year's election? 20:22 < SeanHunt> teamcoltra: assuming you actually want to resign, of course 20:23 Yes, but was talking to Shawn about acting as PPCA's International Coordinator 20:23 still taking a role in the party 20:23 but open my seat up to someone new 20:23 < RLim> yeah we need an international coordinator 20:23 < RLim> mike bleskie used to hold that position 20:24 Though, as a board member of PPI we would need a PPI liason 20:24 even though I am the International Coordinator, because I can't interact with PPI as PPCA when I am on the baord 20:24 board* 20:25 < RLim> ic. So I guess someone from PC. 20:25 < SeanHunt> it's fortuitous that this comes at the same time as the election for Johann's hole 20:26 < Johann> That is a terrible way to phrase it :) 20:26 < Johann> No one is electing my hole. That's my business 20:26 < RLim> lol. I missed that. lol 20:26 -!- Wilson [webchat@174.35.zrt.wnx] has left #canada-meetings [] 20:28 < JMcleod> hehe 20:29 < JMcleod> Well we are holding a special GM on the 31st of July and we are accepting resignations 20:29 < Johann> So you're resigning then? 20:29 < RLim> so what do we need to make teamcoltra's resignation official so that I can advice our members? 20:30 < JMcleod> So if that is what you want (although it saddens me, I forsaw the overextention of your duties) you can come and make it happen :) 20:30 < SeanHunt> some body needs to accept it; the GM can certainly do it 20:31 -!- teamcoltra [~travis_mc@166.250.r.jg] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:33 < JMcleod> and he pings out again 20:33 < JMcleod> So you are saying that if he wishes to resign (or anyone else for that matter) the secretary can present a resignation at a GM? 20:36 < JMcleod> ok 20:36 < JMcleod> if everyone's dead, we can adjourn 20:37 < RLim> wait 20:37 < JMcleod> waiting 20:37 < RLim> we need a forum for the PC nomination 20:37 < RLim> I'll create one. 20:37 -!- teamcoltra [~travis_mc@166.250.rx.nom] has joined #canada-meetings 20:37 < RLim> Are you available tonight JMcleod 20:37 < RLim> ? 20:38 < RLim> I need help translating the meeting notice 20:38 < JMcleod> Umm Ill try to be avail 20:38 < JMcleod> It shouldnt be too long of a notice 20:43 < JMcleod> Any other business? 20:43 < RLim> none. 20:44 < JMcleod> Johann jhowell CCitizen ? 20:44 < RLim> that I can think of 20:44 < RLim> teamcoltra, do you know if we ordered the purple t-shirts yet? 20:45 < JMcleod> Alright then, since there are no replies, I move to adjourn 20:45 < JMcleod> voting starts now 20:45 < JMcleod> aye 20:46 < CCitizen> what that? 20:46 < RLim> adjourn 20:46 < RLim> ing 20:46 < CCitizen> ah 20:46 < RLim> aye 20:46 < JMcleod> voting on adjourning the meeting 20:47 < Johann> aye 20:47 < JMcleod> Ok - meeting adjourned 

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