EB 2012-10-28 transcript



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18:30 < JohannWeiss> We were discussing details on the meeting/voting procedures for it 18:30 < Wilson> That part is fine. What we need to work out is the set of rules to go with the motion 18:30 < Wilson> or what johann said 18:30 < Wilson> on that note, do we have quorum? 18:30 < JohannWeiss> If we have nothing else to discuss, we could just spend an hour trying to figure this out. 18:30 < JohannWeiss> Yes 18:31 < JohannWeiss> 5 of 7 I believe (wait, are we at 8 not?)\ 18:31 < JohannWeiss> now** 18:31 <@JMcleod> We have 5/8 18:31 < JohannWeiss> What he said 18:33 <@JMcleod> Me, Johann, RLim, CCitizen, Wilson are present, svulliez, jhowell not here, and Jake is a non-voting non-quorum member 18:34 <@JMcleod> ok 18:34 <@JMcleod> Lets get the meeting started 18:34 <@JMcleod> RLim have minutes from last week? 18:34 <@CCitizen> I'm distracted but here 18:34 < RLim> hmm 18:35 < JohannWeiss> The wiki was down last week so we didn't have access to the previous weeks minutes. 18:35 <@JMcleod> oh ok 18:36 <@JMcleod> so heres the minutes for the 14th 18:36 <@JMcleod> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EB_2012-10-14_minutes 18:36 < RLim> ah that's why I have not updated last week's minutes there. Trying to remember why it's not on wiki 18:36 < RLim> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EB_2012-10-14_minutes 18:36 < RLim> JMcleod beat me to it. :P 18:36 <@JMcleod> We need the 21st 18:38 < RLim> trying to find where it was saved on my local pc 18:38 <@JMcleod> Well anyone see anything wrong with the 14th? 18:38 < JohannWeiss> Nope looks good 18:39 <@JMcleod> Minutes from the 14th are approved 18:40 <@JMcleod> waiting on those from 21st if he finds em 18:40 < RLim> let's move on. Can't find them and can't remember what I did. I might have just decided to wait until wiki came back up and forgot all about it. 18:41 < JohannWeiss> As long as you can find them for next week 18:41 < JohannWeiss> no biggy 18:41 <@JMcleod> Ok then 18:41 <@JMcleod> Anyone have any business? 18:41 < JohannWeiss> Not a motion, but a point of discussion 18:42 < JohannWeiss> Email occasionally goes down 18:42 < JohannWeiss> We need to be able to communicate with each other quickly if that happens 18:43 < JohannWeiss> Do we all have an email or similar service which we can share with each other in case @pirateparty is down? 18:43 <@JMcleod> Call me, maybe? 18:43 < JohannWeiss> I've got your number so that works for me 18:44 < JohannWeiss> What about the rest of you? 18:44 < RLim> yeah but if it's about a motion or business that is not urgent I don't think we want to make a phone call 18:44 < JohannWeiss> Wilson, CCitizen? 18:44 < Wilson> imho the leadership should have everyone elses number on the leadership in case we do need to contact each other 18:44 <@CCitizen> Perhaps we could use text messages to notify of stuff 18:45 <@JMcleod> I cant text, I dont use cellphones because they all suck 18:45 <@CCitizen> I assume we all have a cell phone that does that or email or something 18:45 <@JMcleod> nope, you assume wrongly 18:45 < JohannWeiss> JMcleod and myself should have a way of contacting all of you, and you should all be able to contact us. (at a minimum) 18:46 < RLim> I have a related discussion about irc op. Don't let me forget about this discussion 18:46 < JohannWeiss> It doesn't need to be that exact same method, so long as it works for each of us 18:46 < JohannWeiss> Sure 18:46 <@JMcleod> So perhaps we should have a wiki page with the phone numbers or something 18:46 < JohannWeiss> I've got RLim's personal email I believe, what about CCitizen and Wilson 18:47 <@CCitizen> I think you all have it 18:47 < JohannWeiss> That would make it relatively public which I can understand some of us not wanting 18:47 <@CCitizen> Well Jake and Shawn and Sean all have my email too 18:47 < RLim> well let's just keep it among ourselves 18:47 < JohannWeiss> My email is the same one I've got listed under my user account on our site 18:47 < RLim> maybe e-mail all the contact you have JohannWeiss 18:47 < JohannWeiss> To exec? 18:47 <@CCitizen> technically we all have each others emails since we all on executive@ but yeah 18:48 < RLim> not to EB mailing list but individual e-mail 18:48 < RLim> yeah but can someone subscribe to the list without being an EB? 18:48 <@CCitizen> yeah I was hoping @pirateparty emails might be able to be logged into as well as forwarded 18:48 < JohannWeiss> Let's continue with the meeting then and I'll see who i've got in my contacts, then bug them for info 18:48 <@CCitizen> possibly Ric 18:49 < JohannWeiss> I think anyone can sign up, but I'm not sure, maybe forward that question to IT if no one knows for sure 18:50 <@JMcleod> Anyone can 18:52 < JohannWeiss> What did you want to bring up RLim? 18:53 < RLim> Not sure if this should be a motion or just discussion and request to Sean 18:53 < RLim> But I thought we should maybe give OP access to all officer of EB and PC. 18:54 <@JMcleod> wait 18:54 < RLim> Two scenario taht I see. Once was someone was kind of flooding the IRC channel but stopped. 18:54 < RLim> ok waiting 18:54 <@JMcleod> officer = You, me, wilson, vulliez & johann 18:54 < RLim> I mean PC also 18:54 < RLim> oh 18:54 < RLim> hmm 18:54 <@JMcleod> PC and other members arent actual officers 18:54 < RLim> what do you think? 18:54 < JohannWeiss> So Council and Exec members then 18:55 <@JMcleod> ok 18:55 < RLim> yeah 18:55 since I was mentioned 18:55 I maintain that I dislike the idea of making people channel ops because they happen to hold other positions 18:55 that's a terrible way of picking ups 18:55 *ops 18:55 < RLim> so it would be nice in case our op is afk to have more people with access. 18:56 agreed 18:56 <@JMcleod> what about half op, what can that do 18:56 < RLim> my point is to just give more people ops access. Not necessarily have to be officer just someone we trust 18:56 but I disagree that it should just be 'oh hey these people have rank let's give them privilege' 18:56 < Wilson> For the record, I am never on irc except for meetings so op status is wasted on me 18:56 and jhowell has all the access to the channels that I do 18:56 since that's the rule 18:56 < RLim> the other scenario was for GM. If we only have one ops, and happen to be unavailable then we can't voice people 18:57 < JohannWeiss> Like at that one I was trying to chair 18:57 < RLim> yeah I have no problem with that 18:57 I just mean you can direct requests at him too 18:57 < RLim> ok 18:58 < RLim> ok I'll sent out an e-mail to IT to get that done then 18:59 < JohannWeiss> Giving all the Officers op status make sense. We are the ones technically in charge of the party and the IRC is live 24 hours a day, which means it needs to be managed 24 hours a day. 19:00 < JohannWeiss> How many ops do we currently have? 19:00 < JohannWeiss> scshunt, jhowell, .... 19:00 20:00:17 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.pirateirc.net)- Entry Nickname/Host         Role 19:00 20:00:17 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.pirateirc.net)- - -- 19:00 20:00:17 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.pirateirc.net)- 1    scshunt                 19:00 20:00:17 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.pirateirc.net)- 2    Travis_McCrea           19:00 20:00:17 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.pirateirc.net)- 3    CCitizen                19:00 20:00:17 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.pirateirc.net)- 4    JMcleod                 19:00 20:00:17 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.pirateirc.net)- 5    ShawnVulliez            19:00 20:00:17 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.pirateirc.net)- 6    jhowell                 19:01 <@JMcleod> Can RLim & JohannWeiss be added (or should we make that a motion)? 19:02 yeah, no problem 19:02 < RLim> CCitizen is there a lot also 19:02 <@CCitizen> Actually it makes sense... since it enables people to respond to spammers in a timely fashion 19:03 can't do rlim, his nick isn't registered 19:03 RLim: ccitizen is already an op 19:03 < RLim> Just add WIlson also. In case he is the only one who happens to be there. 19:03 <@CCitizen> Yeah I can grab ops when needed 19:03 < RLim> my bad missed that. :P 19:03 < Wilson> not likely for me to be there :/ 19:03 <@CCitizen> really I think it might be good policy to have people who can do operator type things to be oped on the channel 19:04 no 19:04 no it would not 19:04 <@CCitizen> People go into chanels see no ops and start acting like jackasses 19:04 if you have ops, discussion distorts around them 19:04 <@JMcleod> Well its only been a problem once or twice 19:04 < RLim> how? what happened? 19:05 the only incidents I've ever had to deal with were spammers who won't pay attention to whether there's ops or not 19:05 <@CCitizen> Personally that only happens when people threaten to use the power inapproproately in which case we can always remove their op powers for abuse 19:05 and a moron who was angry because I only wanred someone else rather than kickbanning them 19:05 CCitizen: no, it doesn't 19:05 just the fact that they are ops gives weight (even if unconscious) to their words 19:06 < JohannWeiss> I've only got a half hour, so if we have other business, can we move on to that and have this discsussion later? 19:06 <@JMcleod> yeah we I prefer not to have auto op 19:06 <@JMcleod> just so people take me equally to them 19:06 < RLim> yeah just give people ability to grab op if needed 19:06 <@JMcleod> He did so for Johann 19:08 < RLim> ok so ops for Johann, me, Jake and Wilson. Can always add more. 19:08 < RLim> ok 19:09 will do jake 19:09 <@CCitizen> I wouldnt mind adding more people with ops powers 19:09 won't do wilson since he doesn't want it 19:09 and won't do you till you register your nick 19:09 <@JMcleod> \ 19:09 < RLim> my nick is registered. I just don't login. 19:09 rlim is not registered 19:09 <@CCitizen> even if its is just for if shit happens 19:10 <@JMcleod> If you dont log in it eventually gets deleted 19:10 <@CCitizen> RicLim is probably registered 19:10 < RLim> oh 19:10 <@JMcleod> If you dont log in with a registered nick, after a few mins, the server changes your name to something else 19:11 JMcleod: that's an option the nick owner can turn off 19:11 and riclim isn't registered either 19:11 < Wilson> k, since Johann needs to leave soon perhaps we can get to discussing the forum rules since the current issue doesn't appear to need the use of our quorum 19:12 <@JMcleod> Good idea 19:12 < RLim> ok I'll fix that 19:12 <@JMcleod> So how do we want motions to work in the forums? 19:13 < JohannWeiss> I added something to the discussion on the forums just before the meeting, for handling amendments 19:13 < JohannWeiss> http://riclim.com/forum/discussion/3/rules-for-forum-meetings#Item_7 19:16 <@CCitizen> Hmm 19:16 < Wilson> Proposed motion is up for 5 days->Must receive support of a majority of EB to pass->If a meeting intersects the 5 day period it can be voted on there. Extentions is an issue not worked out 19:16 < JohannWeiss> ++ to the intersection part 19:17 <@JMcleod> Hey Wilson, did Shawn have you fill out a form to be officer of the party? 19:17 < JohannWeiss> How about we just get rid of the extensions and just allow any 2 members to force the issue to wait until a normal meeting (which is once every week anways). 19:18 < JohannWeiss> It would also work if meeting frequency were changed (like every 2 weeks 19:18 < JohannWeiss> ) 19:18 < Wilson> @JMcleod, you mean when I was elected DL? Not as of yet 19:19 <@JMcleod> ok ill sent an email about that he probably forgot again 19:20 < RLim> done registering all 19:20 < RLim> as a group 19:21 done 19:21 < RLim> thanks 19:23 < Wilson> so.. "Proposed motions are able to be voted on for 5 days from when the motion is first posted. A majority of the Executive Board must vote in the affirmative to the motion for it to pass. Any two members may request a motion be delayed to the next scheduled meeting. If a meeting falls with the 5 day period the motion may be considered then." Hows that for rule #1? 19:23 < JohannWeiss> Sounds good to me 19:23 <@JMcleod> Sounds good to me too 19:24 < Wilson> *within, second to last sentence 19:24 < JohannWeiss> We also need a rule about general conduct, a rule governing amendments and a rule about chairs (do we have them and how do they enforce rules). 19:25 < JohannWeiss> Anything not covered by those? 19:25 <@JMcleod> You cant really chair a forum 19:26 < JohannWeiss> Well forums have moderators and the mod could have some ability to direct the flow of discussion. For example keeping the discussion about Motions in separate threads and forking them when necessary. 19:26 < JohannWeiss> It may not be necessary, but it's an idea worth discussing 19:27 < JohannWeiss> I'm basically out now. 19:27 < RLim> ok. Everyone have been added to become a moderator 19:27 < RLim> continue discussion in the board? 19:27 < JohannWeiss> If you guys have any thoughts on those, post them to the forum tonight and I'll respond tonight or tomorrow. 19:27 < JohannWeiss> Yeah 19:27 < RLim> ok 19:28 < JohannWeiss> And appreciate some thoughts on my amendment thing, it's a tricky thing to make work, but i think I'm close to a good solution 19:28 < JohannWeiss> I'd appreciate** 19:28 < JohannWeiss> Night 19:28 <@JMcleod> We still have quorum, so if anyone has business 19:29 < RLim> I have nothing right now 19:29 < RLim> Jake have setup remixgov 19:29 < RLim> I've put a test blog 19:29 < Wilson> Any updates on the bank issue? 19:30 < RLim> I think it addresses the lack of threading in comments 19:30 <@JMcleod> CCitizen: Bank issue, do you have an update? 19:30 < RLim> and Jake also installed Views module which makes it really powerful and customizable to display the pages in different ways 19:31 God please we have an update on BMO 19:31 < RLim> I think other than the e-mails ent by Jake 19:31 < RLim> probably not. 19:31 < RLim> Have not seen a reply. Unless it was sent to Jake directly 19:31 <@JMcleod> yeah Jake has been putting executive in CC 19:33 <@JMcleod> and hi jhowell 19:33 <@JMcleod> jhowell: are you on ric lim's forums? 19:34 <@JMcleod> http://riclim.com/forum/ 19:36 <@CCitizen> We do... apparently they're pissy because the cidreq says Jake Daynes when his ID says Jacob 19:36 < RLim> duh 19:36 <@CCitizen> so they want a cidreq change or something 19:36 < RLim> the manager helping me out saw that. The other staff was doubting. So the manager said "yeah Jacob is Jake" 19:37 <@JMcleod> All I'll say is good thing this is not election period 19:37 <@JMcleod> oh wait 19:37 <@JMcleod> there are by elections 19:37 <@JMcleod> so we better get our banking set straight fast 19:38 < RLim> oh yeah no response from that mailout afaik 19:38 < RLim> so looks like Durham is a no go unless David could assemble quickly next week. But he is not going to do that without support 19:38 < RLim> Is Sid in that Alberta riding? 19:39 < Wilson> She's not running 19:40 < RLim> ok 19:41 <@JMcleod> Did PC post about that on our front-page? Did they post to facebook looking for people? 19:41 <@JMcleod> I dont recall seeing any of those 19:41 < RLim> Facebook is probably the biggest audience 19:41 < RLim> and twitter 19:42 < RLim> Who have access? 19:42 <@JMcleod> I got fb access but that really should be a PC thing 19:43 < Wilson> For some reason Facebook won't give me access but yes a note about the by-elections was posted 19:43 <@JMcleod> But a post on our frontpage I could link it to fb after ;) 19:43 < RLim> I guess once it's social media it is external communication 19:43 < RLim> not much time. Deadline is November 5th and still have to gather signature. It's not an easy task. 19:43 <@JMcleod> Well FB gives access if you are set to have access by whomever leads the page 19:44 < RLim> I go for signature after work at night and still took me a while to get the number of signatures 19:44 < Wilson> Deadline nov. 5th + gathering signatures + they would have to be confirmed. That is a tight deadline. 19:44 < RLim> *went 19:45 < RLim> Nov 5th is the date when signatures should be in right? 19:45 < Wilson> *Have* to be in 19:45 < RLim> So if Election Canada dismissed any signatures and it went down to less than 100, you are out 19:45 < Wilson> yup 19:46 < RLim> yeah I don't think anyone can dedicate time to rush through gathering signatures next week. One weekend would probably not be enough unless you have several volunteers 19:47 <@JMcleod> Well, just go to a market or something like that, should get plenty fast 19:47 < Wilson> Even then we need a candidate. 19:48 < Wilson> *would need a candidate 19:48 <@JMcleod> Yeah thats the thing 19:49 <@JMcleod> PC should be the one getting a candidate 19:49 <@JMcleod> imo 19:49 < RLim> yeah but we need to communicate with our members that volunteers are needed 19:51 <@JMcleod> Was there a mailout? 19:52 <@JMcleod> im pretty sure I saw one go by 19:52 < RLim> to Ontario members only since David expressed interest in helping out or running if he gets support\ 19:53 < RLim> one for call for candidates 19:53 < RLim> yeah 19:53 <@JMcleod> And we got no replies for volunteers? 19:54 < RLim> nope 19:54 < RLim> adpaolucci told me over irc he could help 19:54 < RLim> he is in Richmond HIll. Within Greater Toronto Area 19:57 <@JMcleod> Well is there anything else we can do? 19:58 < RLim> other than social media probably not much 19:59 <@JMcleod> Ok then, any more business? 20:01 < Wilson> Motion to adjourn 20:01 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn 20:02 <@JMcleod> The motion currently on the floor is: adjourn 20:02 <@JMcleod> You are voting on the main motion 20:02 <@JMcleod> The voting starts now. All in agreement with the motion say 'Aye'. All who disagree say 'Nay' 20:02 <@jhowell> aye 20:02 <@Wilson> aye 20:02 <@CCitizen> aye 20:02 <@CCitizen> also I thought the signatures needed to be gotten in 2013 not 2012 20:02 <@RLim> aye 20:02 <@JMcleod> Ayes: 5 Nays: 0 20:02 <@JMcleod> The following motion has passed: adjourn 20:02 <@JMcleod> There is no motion currently on the floor



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