GM 2013-12-18 transcript

 Happy holidays all  people can start /msg me now to get voice  Hello  Anyone here for the GM that starts in 3 minutes? =) yup :) https://twitter.com/piratepartyca/status/413472607111872512 here  yup :)  Present  Present as well.  Finally made it to a meeting. I always seem to forget.  I know the feeling Vitriohl. Although I'm getting better  This is my first meeting.  First meeting for me as well I took the time to pop online two hours in advance. I always seem to be scrambling at the last minute... my first meeting as well  Wilson: Decided to pop it in the calendar right away this time. Notified me a couple times all evening, to ensure my presence.  Welcome new comers.  =)  Got a feeling this may help me with a community group that I run.  Not my first meeting, but first in a long time.  Thanks, Mr Nobbs ick, my socks are wet <Vitriohl> CraigNobbs: And old comers, too? <JBJblaze> Although I will need to leave in a bit, for chores. I'm not an old comer, but I'm here, and I'm going to try and get ahold of BrokenSyntax <CraigNobbs> I suppose, welcome all (in that case) I’m limited until 1900PST, 2200EST. I just copied that from the reminder e-mail hopefully it will not drap on 2 hours *drag Ooh, I'm excited to hear about the web space <Wilson> People can start /msg RLim now to get voice (ie confirm you are a member). Please provide the email address attached to your membership (and your membership number if you happen to remember it) Do we have any candidates to affirm this meeting? I don't see it listed. <CraigNobbs> Yes <CraigNobbs> 3, if I recall Darn, no word from Syntax. <JBJblaze> Yeah, things just got silent. :S <Wilson> silence on irc is the worst because I can never be sure whether I've been dropped or not. Know the feeling wilson. Sorry for the late start. anything else for the agenda? <CraigNobbs> Do you have the list available somewhere? <JBJblaze> Do I have to type RLim or rlim to msg him? msg I think <CraigNobbs> it's case insensitive <JBJblaze> Ok <Wilson> phillipsjk Announcement of the new members webspace...but that has been done by mass email and social media so I'd say the candidate confirmations are the main thing. No officer reports as far as I know. Ok. <CraigNobbs> How many people have confirmed their membership status at this point? <CraigNobbs> for this GM The webspace is https://my.pirateparty.ca/ BTW <JBJblaze> I think I have <Vitriohl> I will have in just a moment. <JBJblaze> How do I confirm? <JBJblaze> Just to make sure? JBJblaze, send you name and e-mail to RLim who will voice you. <JBJblaze> My realname or alias? <CraigNobbs> real name i sent msg to RLim. was it ok? <JBJblaze> Do I add '@' before his name? <Vitriohl> SHouldn't need to <MHoude> '/msg RLim, <e-mail>' should do it <Vitriohl> Just /msg RLim whatever <CraigNobbs> no... just "/msg RLim Craig Nobbs, Craig.Nobbs@PirateParty.ca, member id #" ... without the quotation marks la la la la la la la...just testing my voice :) <JBJblaze> Where do I find my member id? dysonsphere, we mainly use voice for counting. We can quiet the channel if you insist... JBJblaze, it used to be sent out with the reminder e-mails. <CraigNobbs> afaik, it'll be in a confirmation email after we've verified your registration. Those of us who have been here long enough have nifty member id cards  =P <JBJblaze> I didn't get any id thing in my reminder emails. <MHoude> Mine broke :'( <JBJblaze> Only confirmation ones actually <Vitriohl> CraigNobbs: I want a membership card. I've been here for quite some time. *Sigh* <JBJblaze> Got it I think <JBJblaze> Yay! Thanks Mr Lim! Don't feel too bad Vitriohl, my signup paperwork has been MIA since spring, lol <RLim> np <Vitriohl> I've been here for years, and no card. :( <RLim> superhobo666: all paper work should be on file now <RLim> I mean all members name <RLim> just message your full name to me <Vitriohl> I even remember there being a membership card signup goal. That was a long, long time ago. I think. sorry for the pun phillipsjk <CraigNobbs> it was dysonsphere, oops, missed that you were voiced already when you said that :) CCitizen, around? np phillipsjk count 10 people then. Really need 15 for quorum. <Wilson> Yo Travis <TravisMcCrea> Yo Wil-Dog <Wilson> -_- 'Wil-Dog' I'll add that to the thousand or so nicknames people have given me over the years. <RLim> 2 more for quorum <TravisMcCrea> Wilson if it's any consolation my girlfriend and I agreed on James to be the first name of our baby... and it really was inspired by James Wilson <TravisMcCrea> For me it was inspired by the House MD James Wilson, but if you want credit you can feel free to take it James is such a common name ;) <Wilson> I take back the 'aww how nice' I just did. <RLim> hard to blacklist on the border <JBJblaze> House was awesome :D <TravisMcCrea> I like it because they can go by Jim if they want <TravisMcCrea> James is not very objectionable <CraigNobbs> afk 5 <TravisMcCrea> They can go by Jamie if they want too I guess <JMcleod> hey hey <JMcleod> count me in TravisMcCrea: you've gotta spice it up with some silent consonants or a trekkish apostrophe. <TravisMcCrea> I have always wanted to change my last name to something obscure but have it be "pronouced" very common. Like have the last name "xefredixy" and be like "it's pronouced 'fredricks'" <TravisMcCrea> James T'pol McCrea <Wilson> I pity my hypothetical future children; I'm so not going to take naming them seriously. <TravisMcCrea> thor <3 and James was also used because of James Kirk <RLim> superhobo666: check msg. let sort out your membership <RLim> *let's <TravisMcCrea> There are a lot of fictional James that I like, in particular James Wilson and James Kirk (as a character, not William Shatner) @RLim I didn't get one bak :( back* Wilson: that puts in mind of "Albin" and "Tula does the hula in hawaii" <Wilson> hey Jack I have always been partial to Johann for a son's name. That way, the common anglicized name could be John. <JBJblaze> Will be afk for at least 30 min or so. Sorry, got chores. <RLim> you can lurk JBJblaze i'm named after an old friend of my father. no nordic here <TravisMcCrea> bitcoin keeps falling and falling... drop baby drop TravisMcCrea: you should be digging for dogecoin :D <TravisMcCrea> thor already am <TravisMcCrea> I wish I knew how to set it up on some of my servers <TravisMcCrea> :D I am going to laugh when dogecoin actually takes off <RLim> we need a dogecoin wallet setup to accept donations TravisMcCrea: there is only xul <TravisMcCrea> xul <TravisMcCrea> ? <MHoude> I thought you guys were joking about dogecoin... http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul (in reference to the trekkish ') MHoude, I was surprised by it's apparent popularity. <MHoude> I've only ever seen doge as a forced meme. Still makes me giggle reluctantly though. I suspect it may be flying under tha radar due to the disarming presentation.. or something. <RLim> we are trying to accept donations for all crytcurrency. ut new ones keep popping up RLim: the problem with that is we will end up with a bunch of small puddles of obscure currencies I personally think we should take down our donation address and give every donor a unique address instead. <MHoude> and doge always seems like a parody <Wilson> I find it slightly funny that bitcoins started going down right around when we decided we would accept them. <TravisMcCrea> Wilson it's better that way <TravisMcCrea> because of their decreased value people will give the Pirate Party more of them <TravisMcCrea> and when the next bubble hits we can sell them off again <Wilson> point taken. MHoude: it is a bit of a parody. It uses the "superblock" or "casino block" idea wherein there is a chance of receiving a large bonus with each block solved. <RLim> Hi Ervin <CraigNobbs> I'm back.... Have we made quorum yet? <JMcleod> looks like a quorum to me 14 without ccitizen Well, it's been an hour. I think we should call the meeting. So close to quorum though. <RLim> let's just discuss something <RLim> well the new my.pirateparty.ca is up Informal meeting then. <RLim> so start populating the forum or post <RLim> everyone should get an e-mail by now with link to login <Wilson_> sorry I'm back <RLim> EC form signup with noe-mail can e-mail me to get access >RLim,< been reading e-mails last minute: I do have the space (80GB), but have not finished setting up the machine yet. <MHoude> This new website is what sparked my renewed interest in participating with the Party. I see all these policies, but not many comments or elevations. Were there comments on the old system that simply haven't moved over regarding policies and discussions? <RLim> policies was not in the old forum I think the Political Board brain-stormed them. <Wilson_> Considering its been up less than a week the lack of comments and elevations is understandable <MHoude> Of course. Is there still access to the old system? ^ <MHoude> and how do I get there? <RLim> no. We are trying to see what we can retrieve from the old forum <RLim> Right now there's a new forum <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/forum <RLim> can add more category or section <Wilson_> Ric, do we still have no confirmation about Superhobo's membership? <JeremyCrow> Just heard about the site today and filled out the registration about an hour or so ago. <RLim> unfortunately no. Canada Post might have lost it in the mail MHoude: you might get a sense of party history from https://wiki.pirateparty.ca not quite the same as forums or mailing list archive, but meeting and vote records are *are there <Wilson_> Well, seeing that ,as leader, I can give out free memberships he could give me the info. I'll confirm he is a member and you can voice him. :) <JMcleod> How are the flags and other promo things going btw? <MHoude> psema4: Fantastic! Thank you. <RLim> Wilson_: is that Julius Caesar law still in force? <RLim> dictator for life? <RLim> lol <RLim> yeah I said signup or volunteer for something. anything really <RLim> but just the fact he showed up in every meeting you should just grant him membership :) <Wilson_> promo items are with me and I got the mailing addresses yesterday and will try to send them out tomorrow. Flags still with Andrew. JMcleod they were at our former IT's house for an embarrassingly long time, last i heard. <RLim> Did Jeremy manage to contact him? <JeremyCrow> I'll be contacting Andrew tomorrow about that. <Wilson_> RLim Seeing as March is quickly approaching I'm going to deny any Julius Caesar by-laws as being invalid. ;) <Wilson_> superhobo666 you there? <TravisMcCrea> Honestly I think the leader of a party our size should have dictator powers... we are hardly big enough to be an efficient democracy <TravisMcCrea> (I realize that efficency and democracy are at any level, incompatible but at least there is usually some structure in larger organizations so things don't shut down when no one is around) <RLim> new announcement <RLim> All contributors for 2013. If you have not provided your address and donated more than $20, please e-mail secretary at pirateparty dot ca to make sure you get the tax receipt. And it does not get wasted that we have to sent it to Receiver General. Still time to contribute and get tax deductions. <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=2 I seem to recall some complaints about the former dear leader using his dictator powers :) <TravisMcCrea> I never complained <RLim> I am guessing I will be able to retrieve their address from the envelope. But did not check all yet <TravisMcCrea> ;) <RLim> lol <RLim> since everyone is here <TravisMcCrea> RLim do you know how much total I contributed? <RLim> any artist here <RLim> no idea <TravisMcCrea> Hmmm.. no biggy I doubt/hope it's not over the 1200 <3 <RLim> I'll try to do some during the holiday break so that I can print it on our nice printer that is sitting at a basement in Ontario <RLim> too heavy to bring back to Manitoba <RLim> :P <RLim> do we want to do a campaign about the 3 bills - C13 (antibullying - aka bullying enabling act), C8 Acta copyright law, and porn censorship law <RLim> do an infographic unny animated video <RLim> *funny I'm going to try printing some pirate coins to hand out in the new year. Unfortunately, here's how my printer arrived :( http://projects.psema4.com/3dp/images/robo3d_11-12-2013_2.jpg <RLim> with tweet hashtag to post to <RLim> and a website with information <RLim> #tellhapernospying comes to mind <RLim> because the only way to stop them is #tellviceverything type of uproar <RLim> psema4: ouch <RLim> did you phone them? <RLim> What courier service was that? yeah - they're sending out a replacement i'd have to look up the courier... it's been pretty busy lately <RLim> we can do one video encompassing all 3 bills <TravisMcCrea> psema4 I don't think that is how they shipped it ;) <RLim> a bit of humour TravisMcCrea: no - there was a small tool container that opened during transit. the screwdriver was bouncing around on the glass plate. <RLim> I don't trust airline checked in baggage <TravisMcCrea> RLim I am willing to do a video of me naked like PPRU did <RLim> lost a laser disc player that way <RLim> TravisMcCrea: lol <TravisMcCrea> Just throwing it outthere <RLim> stand at Dundas quare in Toronto <RLim> give out flyers. You'll attract attention :P <RLim> *square maybe wait for spring though. <Wilson_> Seeing as we are 1 short of quorum BUT have most of the Executive Board here I'd like to suggest they hold a meeting to confirm the candidates with the current GM used for people who want to ask the candidates questions. Thoughts? RLim - you lost a laser disk player?? Damn. What model? <RLim> don't want a frost bite <TravisMcCrea> http://vimeo.com/51852064 (NSFW - but pirate party related) <RLim> can't remember. I bought it from Kijiji. It was working until I boarded the plane and checked that in <RLim> I have an argument with a relative that it will get broken. Should have hold my ground <Wilson_> RLim,CraigNobbs,phillipsjk (previous post) <RLim> ok <CraigNobbs> @Wilson: Yes? <Wilson_> "Seeing as we are 1 short of quorum BUT have most of the Executive Board here I'd like to suggest they hold a meeting to confirm the candidates with the current GM used for people who want to ask the candidates questions. Thoughts?" <Wilson_> a meeting within a meeting essentially <RLim> lol TravisMcCrea. did they manage to get registered yet? <RLim> at #canada-meetings? <Wilson_> may as well <CraigNobbs> sure.... I'm okay with people asking me questions <Wilson_> no wait. here is fine I don't actually know who the Kenneth Dyson person is. Unfortunately, we had better hustle in terms of getting *something* done, as I have to bounce in 30. rekabis informal meeting. If you have any questions, comments, go ahead. <JMcleod> well that sucks, but i trieds <Wilson_> He's fairly new to the party. I believe he sent his full resume to info@pirateparty.ca plus me and Ric interviewed him. I'm just lurking for today. Kinda ate supper in front of the monitor... I appreciate the effort. hi phillipsjk. i am that kenneth dyson person. you can ask me questions if you like. <Wilson_> CraigNobbs, I forget, did you reply about the riding name change and boundaries for 2015? <JBJblaze> I am back. <RLim> ok let's get the EB business done <CraigNobbs> I had talked with someone about that change <RLim> any questions for dysonsphere <CraigNobbs> afaik, It's now called Langley-Aldergrove <RLim> ? <CraigNobbs> let confirm that <CraigNobbs> err let me* <RLim> what riding again Wilson_ or dysonsphere <RLim> ? Not questions come to mind except the most general ones. <Wilson_> For the record the candidates being voted on are James Wilson (Fundy Royal, NB), Kenneth Dyson (notre-dame-de-grace-westmount, QUE), and Craig Nobbs (Langley-???, BC) dysonsphere: have any thoughts you'd like to share with us? any particular stances on issues? <CraigNobbs> Yes, it is called "Langley-Aldergrove"... <CraigNobbs> http://www.redecoupage-federal-redistribution.ca/content.asp?section=bc&dir=now/reports/59016&document=index&lang=e general intro: i am a postdoctoral fellow in neuroscience at the universite de montreal. number one interest is to have a government that governs by evidence and reason over ideology. \o/ i am 100% on board with the party stance on copyright and internet privacy/neutrality <RLim> dysonsphere: how much time would you have for campaigning? want to see more $ in basic science research, with less emphasis on "economic deliverables" RLim: i could set part time hours for campaigning. i would put the emphasis on quality of campaign over quantity though my time as a postdoc is rather flexible i am used to suspending sleep to make deadlines :) The constitution says that the Political Council may appoint a candidates if an elections has been called, otherwise it is up to a GM. <TravisMcCrea> dysonsphere you talk about being good with the core values, but as the party has shifted into a more broad platform party... what is your opinion on our other stances <RLim> phillipsjk: yeah but since no quorum it's just opportunity for those who are present to ask questions <RLim> we should put a Q&A up on our forum i like the idea of the mincome, for one. <RLim> Maybe a discussion post? <TravisMcCrea> dysonsphere well thats the only one I care about <3 you won me over lol <MHoude> dysonsphere: What are your stances with regards to National Defense? <TravisMcCrea> okay there are a couple more, do you have any that you /disagree/ with? <MHoude> ^ <TravisMcCrea> dysonsphere keep in mind that 99% of the current policy items were proposed by myself, so... no pressure <TravisMcCrea> ;) MHoude:in general, i do not like interventionism. i am more in line with peace keeping and defence of our physical and cyber boarders for reference: https://policy.pirateparty.ca/ <TravisMcCrea> dysonsphere https://policy.pirateparty.ca/topic/defence/ Travis: one thing i would like to look into more closely are the drug patent issues and how we can ensure that quality research on new drugs will be performed while current drugs are affordable to canadians i like the policy of no drug patents, but not sure what will happen if the profit motive is lost. the issue i am most pationate about in my every day life is education <TravisMcCrea> dysonsphere the idea (for me at least) is that we fund research in universities have all the research in the open and we recover our money through the savings we get in our healthcare system i would like to see evryone get a free education, that stesses criticle thinking and reson travis: i like that idea, but need to see more evidence that the numbers will work out that way <TravisMcCrea> Plus without recognizing foreign drug patents we can make nationalized generics of any foreign medication, which basically forces the rest of the world to follow suit because we are cutting out the profit margins of major drug companies as it is right now university funding is going in the toilet this needs sorting out, is all i am saying <RLim> to add to psema4. You can also check it out here or add your own <RLim> https://my.pirateparty.ca/node/24 dysonsphere: can we find you online? do you keep a blog and/or other social identities (twitter, facebook, etc) ? sorry for that keyboard mess of a post on education <TravisMcCrea> yeah of course, it's not fully fleshed out. I will be the first to admit that, but my preference (obviously) is that a candidate uses the party line as a goal at the least. "I would love to get rid of drug patents and nationalize research into medicine so we can find cures to everything, not just the profitable things... but right now let's do this stop gap measure until we can figure out how to make financially viable" i am on facebook (kenneth stephen dyson) and twitter (dysonsphere) and have a google site (sites.google.com/site/dysonsphere23/Home). <TravisMcCrea> and dysonsphere we have similar views on education as well https://policy.pirateparty.ca/topic/education/ travis: i have no problem toting that party line, just need to flesh that all out a bit more :) <JBJblaze> Sorry was afk for a bit there. beleive me, i do have the same goal in mind <TravisMcCrea> dysonsphere yeah I figured we were on the same page, you seem like a pirate to me <TravisMcCrea> :P <TravisMcCrea> dysonsphere what is your opinion on Ayn Rand? the current system is a mess. not only is it economically unstable, but it puts up this "big pharma" stigma that all the woo woos talk about, and the next thing you know all the kids have the measles i just threw up a bit in my mouth <TravisMcCrea> <3 I like you lol <TravisMcCrea> We need less Randroids in the Pirate movement arrgh!! Now we are going to face charges the Party is all left-wing :) lol <TravisMcCrea> phillipsjk I don't mind... i like to think that i have no wings Ok, it has been two hours. at least one person has said they have to go. <TravisMcCrea> I spent the last 4 years trying to explain how I have no wings... because I really will take inspiration from anywhere I can get it... but the truth is I am a leftist.. taking care of people and making sure that every person has a basic quality of life is important to me. Thanks everybody for coming out. Next meeting is scheduled for January 15, 2014. <TravisMcCrea> In general I associate mostly with people who are "leftists" in the end that's what I am... I am just not a close minded leftist <TravisMcCrea> <3 great meeting phillipsjk <TravisMcCrea> <3 tahnks thanks for having me here. i hope i made a good impression. and travis, there is no shame in realising that the truth has a leftwing bias. <TravisMcCrea> dysonsphere exactly <TravisMcCrea> ^5 <MHoude> Alright, I'm going to head out. Good evening everyone. <JBJblaze> Later dyson and MHouse <JBJblaze> MHoude* <CraigNobbs> gnight please check out my online presence, and ask me questions any time, or just chat, whatever. good evening everyone.
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