EB 2012-08-12 transcript



NOTE: All Log times are in Canadian Central Time.

18:30 <@JMcleod> Well, Im callling this meeting to order 18:30 < RLim> yeah 18:30 <@JMcleod> RLim - minutes? 18:32 <@JMcleod> hey Shawn 18:33 < RLim> darn. I did not realize I did not edit it. I was in a rush to go out last week 18:33 < RLim> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/EB_2012-08-05_minutes 18:35 <@JMcleod> JohannWeiss, CCitizen, ShawnVulliez - anything missing? 18:35 <@CCitizen> Dont think so 18:35 < SeanHunt> hey 18:35 <@JMcleod> hey Sean 18:36 < SeanHunt> shawn: update on cards/jake? 18:36 <@JMcleod> Alright then, minutes are approved 18:36 < JohannWeiss> Minutes look good (sorry for the late response) 18:36 <@JMcleod> Alright, lets go with Cards, important piece of business 18:36 <@JMcleod> ShawnVulliez - can we get an update on cards? 18:37 < SeanHunt> also I said this earlier but for those who werent here 18:37 <@ShawnVulliez> They're still at Jakes, they stil have not been sent out 18:37 < SeanHunt> I am on my phone and will be intermittent. please text or email if pc stuff needs talking about 18:37 < SeanHunt> :( 18:38 <@ShawnVulliez> We have a couple of options 18:38 <@JMcleod> well list em 18:39 <@ShawnVulliez> we can send out the cards by themselves, we can send out the cards with a letter only in english, we can send out cards                      with the old letter (bilingual), or we can get someone to translate the new english letter 18:39 <@ShawnVulliez> ultimately though, Jake is the one with the CRM-file thing so if we want to include PIN and user number on the mailout                       we need his collaboration 18:39 <@JMcleod> Send the new English letter, I'll try to get that done ASAP (prolly tomorrow after work) 18:39 <@CCitizen> Well we can post the letter in the forum and ... or yeah Jack can translate it 18:40 <@ShawnVulliez> K, I'll try to find it, I'm worried it was on the old piratepad site so it's been taken down 18:40 < SeanHunt> shawn: we want to get rid of pin 18:40 <@ShawnVulliez> I may have to just write it again... :I 18:40 < SeanHunt> ric has the db dump 18:40 < SeanHunt> he said so in an email 18:40 < SeanHunt> -> out 18:40 <@JMcleod> Well we need em sent out before September. 18:41 < RLim> yeah 18:41 < RLim> let me know who wants it or who to sent it to' 18:41 < RLim> I'll probably upload it to my webserver and delete it after it's been downloaded 18:41 < RLim> hey Jakedaynes3 18:41 < JakeDaynes3> hey 18:41 < RLim> how many jakedaynes are there :P 18:42 < JakeDaynes3> no one knows - multiverse theory and all that 18:42 < RLim> lol 18:42 <@JMcleod> Alright, Ric had business to bring forward I think 18:43 < RLim> I would like to add some subscription option below the meeting notice 18:44 < RLim> below unsubscribe. subscribe to volunteer opportunities; subsctibe to news and 18:45 < RLim> combination of two, or leave as default subscribe to important notice or meeting only 18:45 < JakeDaynes3> Meeting notice on website? 18:45 < JakeDaynes3> also, old.pirateparty.ca should resolve to the old site btw 18:45 < RLim> e-mail mailout 18:45 < JakeDaynes3> on https 18:46 < JakeDaynes3> ah - gotcha 18:46 < JakeDaynes3> ah, can do 18:47 <@JMcleod> ok so anything else Ric? 18:48 < RLim> another business if there are no more discussion on this 18:48 <@ShawnVulliez> JakeDaynes3: Do you still have the new english-only membership card mailout? I can't find it on my computer, I think I                      did it on my now-busted laptop 18:48 < JakeDaynes3> ShawnVulliez: yes 18:48 <@JMcleod> Send it to me & Shawn 18:49 < JakeDaynes3> will do, give me 30 seconds 18:49 <@JMcleod> RLim - go ahead 18:49 <@CCitizen> which business 18:49 < RLim> we need a vision and mission 18:49 <@JMcleod> for the EB or is that PC? 18:49 < JakeDaynes3> http://piratepad.ca/0rwya1emNN 18:49 < RLim> for our party 18:50 <@JMcleod> Well be more precise, but it sounds like PC 18:50 < RLim> just posted one under the platform forum 18:50 < RLim> let me look for the link 18:51 < RLim> our website is still so slow 18:51 <@JMcleod> while we wait: JakeDaynes3 - When we are logged out, there is a link Join Us on home page, it leads to a page not found. 18:51 < JakeDaynes3> I know - I'm going to look into the resources 18:51 < JakeDaynes3> as for the link, give me a seocnd 18:52 <@JMcleod> BTW - ShawnVulliez SeanHunt JakeDaynes3 :: Any PC business? 18:53 <@ShawnVulliez> I'm mostly concerned about finishing the new website and making it work correctly and quickly 18:53 < RLim> CCitizen, JakeDaynes3 we should discuss The Fund after the meeting 18:54 <@ShawnVulliez> I was wondering if others thought it would be appropriate to try to get additional volunteers on it 18:54 <@CCitizen> We should probably discuss it right now since I think it's best we find directors in the same geographical area 18:54 < JakeDaynes3> correct 18:54 < JakeDaynes3> So, what exactly happened when you went to the Bank Ric? 18:54 <@CCitizen> and I want to resign from the fund... so that we can go that route if possible 18:55 < RLim> yeah I could step aside also 18:56 < JakeDaynes3> RLim: when you went to BMO, what happened? 18:56 <@CCitizen> When I went they wanted a signed letter and stuff from the directors or whoever was on the account 18:56 < RLim> I did not go because CCitizen said they wanted more paperworks 18:56 < JakeDaynes3> ah 18:56 < JakeDaynes3> okay 18:57 < JakeDaynes3> and did you tell them Nuitari already sent one in? 18:57 <@CCitizen> They didnt accept the printed off minutes or something 18:57 <@CCitizen> I didnt know there was one but better to get all the directors from an area where they can actually meet face to face 18:57 < JakeDaynes3> yeah 18:57 < JakeDaynes3> I've got all of the paperwork here 18:57 < JakeDaynes3> I think we need to reregister the fund 18:58 < RLim> or change it to corporation so register as corporation 18:58 < RLim> but that's better done after we have new directors in place 18:58 < JakeDaynes3> Well, the issue is that it is registered in Quebec, which means the Head Office needs to be in Quebec 18:58 <@CCitizen> I thought it was registered nationally 18:58 < JakeDaynes3> So in order to move it across the country, we need to reregister it 18:58 < JakeDaynes3> no, it's incorporated nationally but registered in Quebec 18:59 <@JMcleod> What would reregistering imply 18:59 < JakeDaynes3> I'm not 100% sure yet 18:59 < RLim> $200 18:59 <@JMcleod> (tbh, we should move away from Qc) 19:00 < RLim> I think when there's change to address of a corporation there's charge. Might be $200 if I remember correctly 19:00 < JakeDaynes3> So I think we should register a new corporation called PPCA Fund, with a bank account at TD Canada Trust (best hours,                    widest reach) 19:00 < RLim> in case they separate? :P 19:00 <@CCitizen> Sounds good 19:00 <@JMcleod> Because of corruption. 19:00 <@JMcleod> Seperation is not an issue, it wont happen untl the separatists run the province properly 19:01 <@JMcleod> (or unless Canada fails more) 19:02 < JakeDaynes3> it's a double edged sword 19:02 <@ShawnVulliez> (afk briefly, got to help carry something) 19:03 < JakeDaynes3> Having the party "based" in Quebec, had the possibility of lending us greater support in QC, but I agree with the issues on corruption 19:03 <@JMcleod> No, having bilingualism and a clear platform is what seems to win in Qc, at least in political elections 19:03 < RLim> what does corruption have to do with our party? 19:04 <@JMcleod> Banks are allied with some parties here, they have access to all our info, I fear that 19:04 < RLim> ah 19:04 <@JMcleod> also 19:04 <@JMcleod> we changed a company ownership 19:05 <@JMcleod> new "boss" goes in bank, asks for money as the new owner with no proof or anything, he gets it! 19:05 <@JMcleod> So lets just say I have 0 trust in banks located in Qc. 19:05 <@CCitizen> hehe 19:06 < RLim> ok here's a sample of vision and mission 19:06 < RLim> http://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/topic/vision-and-mission 19:08 <@JMcleod> Also, how is BC in terms of bank laws? 19:09 < JohannWeiss> No idea, haven't looked into our bank laws 19:10 < JakeDaynes3> Bank laws in BC are pretty solid as far as security and privacy goes 19:10 < JakeDaynes3> my mother works in the banking system 19:12 < JakeDaynes3> as far as registering in BC - its like, 380 bucks 19:12 <@JMcleod> Ric, what about digital rights and copyright? 19:12 < RLim> shouldn't we be registered federally 19:12 < RLim> Intellectual property law. and the first one unhampered creativity and innovation 19:13 <@JMcleod> Oh thats how its worded 19:13 <@JMcleod> Another thing, if we register in BC, can it then be managed from NS lets say? 19:13 < JakeDaynes3> the other option is to register the fund as an extraprovincial corporation in BC, Ontario or Manitoba 19:14 < JakeDaynes3> that would be an extraprovincial registration 19:14 < RLim> so if in the future Pirate party become more dominated by Alberta, Manitoba, etc 19:14 <@JMcleod> And costs associated with that are how much higher (because banks charge by the letter) 19:14 < RLim> do we reregister again? 19:14 < JakeDaynes3> if the NPO was incorporated/registered in say, BC, and you wanted to manage it from NS, you'd register it in NS as an                     extraprovincial NPO 19:14 < RLim> Should we just register as a Federal Corporation 19:14 < RLim> ? 19:15 < JakeDaynes3> That's what I'm wondering 19:16 < JakeDaynes3> i'm looking up what the cons have setup 19:16 < JakeDaynes3> federal 19:16 < JakeDaynes3> https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/scr/cc/CorporationsCanada/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=4207246&V_TOKEN=1344816992736&crpNm=conservative&crpNmbr=&bsNmbr= 19:17 < RLim> added intellectually and financially prosperous instead of just prosperous 19:17 < RLim> ^ re: vision and mission 19:17 < JakeDaynes3> wow - they're overdue for their annual filing this year, and their last meeting was 2010 19:17 <@ShawnVulliez> I like your vision+mission as a starting point, Ric 19:17 < RLim> hope you guys don't mind the parallel discussion. two birds with one stone. :P 19:17 < JakeDaynes3> it's working 19:17 < JakeDaynes3> :) 19:18 < RLim> the site? yeah better now 19:18 < RLim> well I am going on vacation next week 19:18 < JakeDaynes3> okay - we are a federal corporation... 19:19 < RLim> so may or may not be able to attend meeting on 19th and 26th. 2nd unsure also. :P 19:20 <@JMcleod> Ok turning it into a federal corporation means what for us 19:20 < RLim> I am also thinking of keeping a table of attendance for officers. So mine is going to start off bad. lol 19:20 < JakeDaynes3> it is a federal corporation already 19:20 < JakeDaynes3> but registered address is quebec 19:21 < JakeDaynes3> Stephane said we couldn't change it outside of Quebec because of that 19:22 < RLim> well you can change your address for a Federal corporation. you just have to pay $200 19:22 < RLim> unless there's something quebec specific that I don't know about 19:24 < RLim> pin drop 19:25 < JakeDaynes3> I think it could be QC specific 19:25 <@JMcleod> Well, leave it up to you guys to figure out what's best for us 19:25 < JakeDaynes3> yeah 19:25 < RLim> so what name are we registered as 19:25 < RLim> ? 19:25 < JakeDaynes3> The Pirate Party of Canada Fund 19:25 <@JMcleod> Then, come back with costs or whatever plan you think we should take 19:25 < JakeDaynes3> Fonds du Pirate Party du Canada 19:26 < RLim> any other business? 19:26 <@ShawnVulliez> I admit that I am out of my element here, I don't have anything to add. I prefer to continue being out of the element, if possible. If moving/registering the fund requires an extra person in the BC area I will dutifully participate but I                      would *much* prefer to not have to. 19:26 < JakeDaynes3> I hate to say it, but registering in BC, with Shawn, Johann and Myself as the initial directors might make things easiest - (they can be figureheads) 19:26 < RLim> Who could we have as directors 19:27 < RLim> look at Conservative fund. No recognizable names 19:27 < RLim> it's better to separate our PC and fund 19:27 < RLim> except Jake who won't be able to escape. :) 19:27 < JakeDaynes3> Once we have control of the accounts through that, then we can create a new account with TD, transfer the money, close                     the BMO account, and add the future directors as signatories on the account 19:28 < JakeDaynes3> then we can update the fund to take off Shawn/Johann and just keep me and whoever else is involved 19:28 <@JMcleod> Is the iWeb stuff dealt with? 19:28 < JakeDaynes3> yes 19:28 < RLim> ok sounds good. It's up to the director to change them 19:28 < RLim> but I wonder if there's fee involved everytime there's a change of director 19:29 < JakeDaynes3> there isn't 19:29 < JakeDaynes3> not federally at least 19:30 < RLim> we also have to prepare voting system for after the GM this week 19:30 < JakeDaynes3> yeah 19:30 < JakeDaynes3> I'm working two security shifts, tomorrow night and wednesday night, so that's 8 hours of solid alone time where I can work at that 19:31 < RLim> cool 19:31 < RLim> also JakeDaynes3 are you thinking of moving to another e-mail system? 19:32 < JakeDaynes3> I was thinking about it - but nothing immediate 19:32 < RLim> hmm because I want the e-mail issue sorted out 19:32 < RLim> we still don't have e-mail access 19:32 < JakeDaynes3> I think an Open Exchange system would be good 19:32 < RLim> I could ask for outside help to guide out IT on setting that up if they are not able to 19:32 < JakeDaynes3> exchange server, open source, easy to manage etc 19:33 < JakeDaynes3> it's retardedly easy to setup 19:33 < RLim> *our IT 19:33 < RLim> But Jhowell and Sean said they don't know how to 19:34 < JakeDaynes3> Was that a dig? :P 19:34 < RLim> no 19:34 < RLim> lol 19:34 < JakeDaynes3> lol 19:34 < RLim> they did say that when I asked on several occassion 19:34 < JakeDaynes3> I can setup open x-change tomorrow night 19:34 <@ShawnVulliez> I have always felt like my lack of ability to interact with the mail system was a serious impediment to our ability to                      function 19:34 <@ShawnVulliez> I encourage the switch 19:35 < RLim> Jeremy said he have access. Just need someone to guide him 19:35 < JakeDaynes3> Yeah - I'm in agreement with that statement 19:35 < JakeDaynes3> The issue is that it's a Horde mail system, it's not the greatest 19:35 < RLim> It might not be an issue of switching but someone who know what to do 19:36 < RLim> I could probably read through the book to figure out but don't have a lot of free time 19:36 < JakeDaynes3> and as a technologically inclined party, we should be using technology that the other parties haven't even thought of 19:36 < RLim> ic. 19:36 <@ShawnVulliez> I do have to say though, I'm worried that we are recreating some of the problems with the old version of the party (too                      much on too few people) by dumping so much workload on Jake, it would be better if we could get some additional hands in IT and drupal who know what they are doing for him to delegate duties to 19:36 <@JMcleod> True, but lets not over do it and lead ourselves into problems 19:37 < RLim> don't we have control panel? 19:37 < RLim> would make setting up e-mail ridiculously easy 19:37 <@JMcleod> I know nothing of Drupal. 19:37 <@JMcleod> Never set up actual email except through google 19:37 <@JMcleod> So I cant help much :S 19:37 <@ShawnVulliez> Right now as a PC member needed for quorum, lead developer of the Drupal Site, and the head of the Fund- there is a lot on Jakes shoulders. He is doing a good job but burnout is an issue that has affected everyone with a big workload in                      the party since its inception 19:38 <@JMcleod> Well, who else can do Drupal? 19:38 < JakeDaynes3> http://technocraticparty.ca/about/ 19:38 < JakeDaynes3> I think we need to get in touch with these guys 19:38 < RLim> I can help on Drupal 19:38 < RLim> As long as we have a parallel test site that I can test on first before introducing anything 19:39 < JakeDaynes3> can do - i'll host one on my server 19:39 < JakeDaynes3> minus member info 19:39 < RLim> related to that one, JakeDaynes3, can you give me access to a folder. I want to put mindmap to map progress on platform ideas 19:40 < RLim> just a javascript or flash file and a .mm and html file 19:40 < JakeDaynes3> yeah - for sure 19:40 < JakeDaynes3> email it to me in a zip and i'll throw it up 19:40 < RLim> ok 19:40 < RLim> can I be setup to upload to a folder 19:40 < RLim> ? 19:40 < JakeDaynes3> sftp? 19:40 < JakeDaynes3> yeah - let me set it up 19:41 <@JMcleod> Also Jake, the new site is still a bit slow. Is it the server that isnt strong enough? 19:41 < RLim> Sorry to jhowell and SeanHunt if I sound condescending earlier. :P 19:42 < JakeDaynes3> I'm wondering that JMcleod - i'm also looking at some modules that could be causing it 19:43 < JakeDaynes3> We are the reincarnation of the technocracy movement - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement 19:43 < RLim> yeah I am trying to setup a new site using Drupal. Drupal generally use more resources than starting from scratch. But I don't              think we have that high of a traffic. But I don't know 19:43 < RLim> are we really? who are they? 19:45 < JakeDaynes3> Technocracy movement was during the G. depression, and the Technocrat party registered in Canada in 1935 19:45 < JakeDaynes3> they advocated evidence based policy making 19:45 < RLim> I want to respectfully request that we work on vision and mission. At least even without completing the comprehensive platform, we could show other people and organization what we are in one paragraph 19:46 < RLim> and the website is from? 19:46 < RLim> is there a new technocrat partyt 19:46 < JakeDaynes3> apparently yeah - not registered yet 19:47 < RLim> yeah we should contact them to work together 19:47 < RLim> but then they might want us to change our name again 19:47 <@ShawnVulliez> I just messaged them on facebook, I couldn't find their e-mail 19:47 <@ShawnVulliez> I'm telling you right now: They are going to want us to change our name. 19:47 <@JMcleod> Alright so Shawn takes a look at it? 19:48 <@ShawnVulliez> So are the people from the Online Party, the Libertarian Party, and any other natural allies. 19:48 <@JMcleod> To what, Airship pirate party? 19:48 <@ShawnVulliez> People cannot wrap their mind around this name in this country because of what they imagine other peoples' reactions are going to be, 19:49 <@JMcleod> I advocate, focus on ourselves, get a platform. 19:49 <@JMcleod> People care about the name because they have no platform to judge us on. 19:51 <@JMcleod> Alright do we have any other business 19:51 <@ShawnVulliez> The lack of solid platform does not help, but I fear that people are too close minded for the name. I don't mean to be                      a pessemist. 19:52 <@ShawnVulliez> Any updates from Madison on the campaign SeanHunt? anything needed from the PC? 19:52 < RLim> well we could finish our platform and we have better leg to stand on 19:52 < RLim> we are ahead of them if we just keep moving forward and not get stalled 19:52 < RLim> the name could be discussed later. It would have to be a party wide debate 19:53 < RLim> one person joked about why we name ourselved pirate party. He said you don't want to win 19:53 < RLim> but moving on 19:54 <@JMcleod> Well people usually ask me what we represent wayyy before we talk about the name 19:54 < JakeDaynes3> ^ 19:56 <@JMcleod> alright if there is no motion or any other business we're gonna end this meeting 19:56 < RLim> wait 19:57 < RLim> what's the plan for our platform? 19:57 <@JMcleod> waiting 19:57 < RLim> or maybe wait until September? Not much I can do anyway since starting vacation next week 19:57 < RLim> sorry JMcleod. 19:57 < RLim> move to adjourn? 19:58 <@ShawnVulliez> I believe that we were going to wait on platform until after Madi's election 19:58 < RLim> which is when? 19:58 <@ShawnVulliez> It's not set in stone yet when that would be, its yet to be announced AFAIK 19:58 < RLim> when are they starting their campaign period? 19:59 <@ShawnVulliez> SeanHunt is currently delegated to work on that campaign, I was hoping to hear from him tonight 19:59 < RLim> is there a reason we can't do both? What resources will go toward helping her campaign? 19:59 <@JMcleod> Yeah Sean said he wasnt able to be fully active 19:59 < RLim> I'd rather we start some components of it. Which might actually help her campaign 20:00 < RLim> since initial part will be gathering ideas from other people 20:02 < RLim> I'll try to get some draft out for the meeting notice and sent it out before the meeting :P 20:02 < RLim> hopefully closer to actual meeting will work better in reminding people 20:03 < RLim> ok I have nothing more to say. 20:03 <@JMcleod> Alright 20:03 * RLim zip his lips 20:03 <@JMcleod> Voting on the motion to adjourn 20:03 <@JMcleod> starts now 20:03 < RLim> aye 20:04 <@JMcleod> aye 20:04 <@JMcleod> SeanHunt: ShawnVulliez JohannWeiss CCitizen 20:04 <@JMcleod> (trying to wake up Hunt for Vulliez ;) ) 20:04 <@CCitizen> aye 20:05 <@JMcleod> But meeting is officially adjourned



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