EB 2013-01-13 transcript



All times are in Central time.

19:40 < JohannWeiss> I'm going to call this meeting to order officially 19:41 < JohannWeiss> I will chair, RLim will be taking minutes 19:41 < RLim> k 19:41 < JohannWeiss> We have two major issues we're discussing: IT problems and the coming election 19:42 < JohannWeiss> We should start with the election because we need to act on it in a couple days 19:42 < Wilson> Does the program for processing votes currently work? 19:42 < RLim> Who has access to that program? 19:42 cd 19:43 (sorry meant for console) 19:44 < JohannWeiss> Are you trying to figure that out? 19:45 I am trying to access the VMs 19:45 But the voting should be working on the website 19:45 < RLim> adpaolucci: how's your time and availability? 19:46 For physical meeting, or IRC? 19:46 < RLim> in general. 19:47 < RLim> JohannWeiss: afaik jakedaynes and maybe jhowell 19:47 Past 7 I am free most often if told ahead of 19:47 (pm) 19:48 < JohannWeiss> I don't have any way of getting a hold of Jake 19:48 < RLim> JohannWeiss: did Jakedaynes get backed to you about the 19:49 < RLim> I hate to sound like a broken record. But that's why I've been trying to get at least 3 people access to everything. If one goes missing we are stuck 19:50 < RLim> so for the new batch. officers especially pres, leader, dep, sec should have access to all 19:50 < JMcleod> Well I have access to 0 code but I think everything is opened for me in CRM 19:51 < JohannWeiss> So voting software is working, what do we do if we only have those two nominees? 19:51 < JMcleod> only thing is using it, without a test-site, I worry about killing the site because I know nothing of it 19:51 < JohannWeiss> Do we go ahead with the election? 19:51 < RLim> JMcleod: can you set up the names when we get the nominees? 19:52 < JMcleod> well we should go ahead with election, since its in constitution 19:52 < JMcleod> RLim: lets see if I can find it :) 19:53 < Wilson> Frankly, if it remains at just two nominations does that lead to acclaimation or do they still go ahead? 19:53 < JohannWeiss> It would be acclaimation 19:53 < JohannWeiss> If we have quorum at the GM, we can make motions to change the election 19:53 < RLim> That's not good but what can we do. 19:53 < JohannWeiss> And if we don't have quorum then we can't make nominations official 19:55 < JohannWeiss> Well I had suggested a restructuring of the admin so that we would need 5 instead of 9 19:56 < JMcleod> That requires constitutional changes, which I'd agree to 19:57 < JMcleod> notice in the Redo.odt I linked earlier how I redid GM with bullet points instead of paragraphs, its what other parties do 19:57 < JMcleod> So its clearer 19:57 < JohannWeiss> Yes which is why the election would have to be delayed. It will be a bigger issue in Febuary because we need to have a Pres and Sec 19:58 < JohannWeiss> If no one volunteers, we have to stay in our position 19:58 < JMcleod> RLim: ok I think I gave EB permissions on everything with the word "vot" in it :) 19:58 < RLim> vot? 19:58 < JMcleod> vote, voting 19:59 < JMcleod> so only need to find out how 19:59 < JMcleod> to create a new vote 19:59 < RLim> JohannWeiss: I don't think we can just stay on. An election would still have to be held. 20:00 < JohannWeiss> Yes, but if there are no candidates for Pres, then the Pres can't leave 20:00 < JohannWeiss> Well, the Pres could, but the VP couldn't 20:01 < RLim> and we don't have VP right now 20:01 < JMcleod> Well, if that happens, it gives you a white card to manage the party however you want 20:01 < RLim> what's the link JMcleod 20:01 < RLim> ? 20:01 < JMcleod> link to? 20:02 < RLim> voting program? 20:02 < JMcleod> didnt find yet 20:02 < RLim> what was the permission for? 20:03 https://www.pirateparty.ca/civicrm/campaign/add?reset=1 20:03 wait 20:03 nope 20:03 < RLim> that's for fund raising 20:04 cant find it now 20:05 < RLim> can we write it into the constitution that pres, leader, dep, sec get access to login of all party's assets 20:05 < RLim> ? 20:06 Well for the new auth system with the new setup (if it happens) it will be easy 20:06 < JohannWeiss> We don't need to go through the constittution for that, it shoudl count as running the party, so we can vote it in 20:06 when they get elected their privs will be escalted and they get access to everything 20:07 < RLim> I mean including social media, domain registrar, etc 20:07 < JMcleod> need to get DB access I think for votes 20:08 < RLim> we lost password for our original youtube channel and nobody knows who have access 20:08 < JohannWeiss> Who has that because we need someone who has that access to be at the meeting on Wednesday, with a gauruntee of showing up 20:08 We lost the passwords to most of teh vms... if you havent noticed, lol 20:09 when nuit left he didnt leave anything for administration of systems 20:09 < JohannWeiss> Damnit 20:09 < RLim> jhowell was able to login 20:09 < RLim> but he have difficulty with commands 20:10 < JohannWeiss> What about Jake? I can call Shawn and get him to make sure Jake helps before wednesday 20:10 < RLim> the newer stuff Jakedaynes is the only one who have access according to jhowell 20:10 < RLim> like drupalw website 20:10 < RLim> you know what pissed me off 20:10 < RLim> we posted a link on fb or someplace 20:11 < RLim> to our encrypteverything.ca 20:11 < RLim> and it's down again 20:11 < RLim> or it was when I saw the post and someone commented it's down 20:11 < RLim> everytime we post it we get comments that it is down 20:12 < RLim> one time it links to a kitchen shop 20:12 < RLim> with picture of a kitchen sink 20:12 < RLim> or something like that 20:13 < RLim> apparently JakeDaynes said the certificate expired 20:13 < RLim> not sure how it caused the sute to go to a kitchen site 20:13 I would like to take this time to put my foot in the door and like to put forward the idea of becoming IT head 20:13 < JohannWeiss> I'm all for you doing that 20:13 < JohannWeiss> Can someone take over chairing, I've got to go deal with dinner 20:14 < RLim> ok 20:14 < RLim> *site 20:14 < RLim> wilson are you still here? 20:15 < RLim> if we have quorum we should probably put a motion to appoint adpaolucci as IT head and have Jake pay for the new ISP and give adpaolucci all login access 20:16 Yes. I am for that. 20:16 < RLim> then nuke the site and start from scratch. 20:16 < JohannWeiss> Email me if you guys need anything. Also send an email out when we get access to the voting software 20:16 < RLim> restoring Jake's drupal website 20:16 and the wiki, I think the wiki is very important 20:17 < RLim> we lost quorum 20:17 < RLim> I'll post it on our EB forum 20:17 < RLim> adpaolucci: do you have access to the forum? 20:17 yes I do 20:20 < RLim> this forum http://riclim.com/forum/? 20:20 oh, nope 20:20 < RLim> just sign up 20:21 just did 20:21 < Wilson> I'm here, sorry dinner 20:22 < JMcleod> hi 20:22 < JMcleod> my baby is not even 2 months old and is already cutting 20:22 < Wilson> I was reading the backlog. I have the PPCA youtube login info 20:23 < RLim> cutting? 20:23 < Wilson> teeth i assume 20:24 < Wilson> ...although he could be a precotious emo ;P 20:24 < TeamColtra> I just posted the wrong captcha in the forum, and it still worked. Just thought that should be noted to someone 20:24 < TeamColtra> (not that I believe in CAPTCHAs anyway) 20:24 < RLim> is it close enough TeamColtra ? 20:25 < RLim> like L but it's I 20:25 < TeamColtra> no, like it was a b and i put d 20:25 < RLim> I think some setup will let that pass 20:25 < TeamColtra> unless it was really smart 20:25 < RLim> I doubt it. lol 20:25 < RLim> adpaolucci: what is your full name? 20:25 < RLim> nvm I could just use your id name 20:25 < RLim> in the motion 20:28 < JMcleod> Sometimes you can be off 1 letter in captchas 20:39 < TeamColtra> Oh one last thing to bother you guys with: will someone write a post about Aaron? Maybe after a week or so that way more information can come in and it can be seen as a thought out post and not emotion based. 20:41 < RLim> I've e-mailed a few of our PC members. Don't have all their e-mails and our e-mails is f***** as usual 20:41 < RLim> suggesting we do a press release 20:41 < Wilson> I'm not even sure if our last one went out 20:41 < RLim> but I like your suggestion of a more thought out post 20:41 < RLim> what last one? 20:41 < Wilson> mmm sec 20:41 < RLim> oh to the media? 20:42 < TeamColtra> We seriously need to use Google App server for our mail 20:42 < Wilson> http://riclim.com/forum/discussion/25/wcit-press-release#Item_6 20:42 < RLim> Jake Daynes have the list of media contact. Maybe you can get it from him if he is busy 20:42 < Wilson> the WCIT one 20:42 < TeamColtra> That way it doesn't go down. There is no need for us to keep secret emails anyway 20:42 < TeamColtra> If we are going to be transparent. So the idea of Google "reading our mail" isn't a real concern 20:42 < TeamColtra> (though I am not suggesting we publish every email we send or recieve) 20:43 < RLim> TeamColtra: true. It's not like we will be doing anything illegal. But there might come a time when we need to discuss strategy like for election. 20:43 < RLim> We can always use local encryption 20:43 < Wilson> I very much think Google wouldn't care about our strategy 20:43 < TeamColtra> RLim even then, I doubt Google is going to risk their company to engage in political espionage 20:44 < TeamColtra> Or if we get to that stage maybe we can pay for someone to manage our email server 20:45 < RLim> I posted a motion. What do you think? 20:45 < RLim> http://riclim.com/forum/discussion/31/motion-for-new-it-head-and-new-server 20:46 < JMcleod> did jhowell quit? 20:46 < TeamColtra> Can we not use the word ISP 20:46 < TeamColtra> Since no one is providing our internet service 20:47 < RLim> I mean hosting service. 20:47 < RLim> what's a better word? 20:47 < TeamColtra> hosting service 20:47 < TeamColtra> And perhaps you should include wording that Jake pays for new hosting service that is selected by the IT head 20:47 < TeamColtra> Since in the current wording we are just telling him to select one. 20:48 < RLim> JMcleod: no. But he is always unreachable 20:48 < JMcleod> btw I cant log in anymore on your forums 20:48 < RLim> oh? 20:48 < RLim> why? 20:49 < RLim> I still see you there 20:49 < RLim> thanks TeamColtra \ 20:53 < Wilson> Well, I'm out for the night. Hope to see you all wednesday. 20:54 < RLim> JMcleod: what do you think about the motion? 20:54 < JMcleod> Well I would agree to it 20:55 < JMcleod> oh my password thing in firefox sucks at updating passwords, found it :) 20:56 < RLim> yeah Firefox seems buggy on updating passwords 20:56 < JMcleod> ok the only issue is that IT head cant just buy anything 20:56 < JMcleod> hes gotta stay on a budget 20:57 What is the budget? 20:57 < JMcleod> less than what iweb costs us 20:57 ... 20:57 can I get a price range? 20:57 and does that include domains and ssl certs 20:58 So I can plan something... economic 20:58 < JMcleod> dont we already have domains? 20:58 we have to pay yearly 20:58 speaking of which 20:58 < RLim> yeah. whoever have access to that would just have to point it to the new host 20:58 I need the namecheap login info to check 20:58 < JMcleod> oh, no it doesnt iclude that 20:58 < JMcleod> its a seperate thing 20:59 IT costs: server, domains, certs 20:59 < JMcleod> I had approved a server move to Heztner because of the price, if its not the same at the same price, EB has to reapprove 21:01 I'm going to try to get something cheaper and in Canada 21:01 OVH(french company) just opened a Canadian branch 21:01 < JMcleod> alright in that case, when you have prices, then just propose to EB (it will surely be approved if it cuts costs) 21:03 how much is it currently? 21:04 < JMcleod> I dont remember, but we should check with those who pay the bills to be sure 21:04 < JMcleod> the fund 21:04 < JMcleod> Jake, CCitizen & RLim, one of them can surely get that info 21:05 CCitizen should be on soon, he just finished work 21:05 < TeamColtra> adpaolucci (et all) I really couldn't suggest using http://buyvm.net more. They are based in Victoria, BC. They have insanely great prices… and they have went to bat multiple times for TUEBL and TorMovies.org when people have come to them 21:06 I perfer having a dedi if we can 21:07 It is more cost affective as we run multiple VMs 21:07 < JMcleod> "BuyVM.net is my favourite host to use for my websites, the amount of work they put into their servers to make sure that they are always operating at exceptional efficiency goes to show that they might be a budget provider by price, but the energy that Francis and his team put into their product is not anything less than exceptional." 21:07 < JMcleod> -- Travis McCrea - 2012-11-14 21:07 < RLim> whc.ca and netelligent.ca are other 2 Canadian provider 21:07 we need; website, wiki, email, irc 21:07 Technology: Sandy Bridge 21:07 CPU: Intel Core i3 2130 21:07 Cores / Threads: 2 / 4 21:07 Frequency: 3.4GHz+ 21:07 RAM: 8 GB DDR3 21:08 Hard disk: 2x 1TB SATA2 21:08 Traffic : 5TB included 21:08 Price... $39.99/month 21:08 http://www.ovh.com/ca/en/dedicated-servers/kimsufi.xml 21:08 < RLim> can you just export and backup our existing stuff? 21:08 nope 21:08 not the way it is setup 21:08 we need fresh installs 21:08 and then transfer the files and DBs 21:09 < TeamColtra> As I was saying we really /don't/ need email 21:10 < JMcleod> well google mail does what 21:10 Google Apps isnt free anymore you know that right TeamColtra? 21:11 < TeamColtra> Yes it is 21:11 plus it really isnt a pirate thing to put our information in the hands of a major company that is known to cave in to US feds 21:11 Teamcoltra: you should do some quick googling it hasnt been free for about 2 months 21:11 < TeamColtra> I just signed up for another Google Apps account 2 days ago. They just make it more difficult to find 21:11 http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/07/google-kills-free-google-apps-for-business-now-only-offering-premium-paid-version-to-companies-of-all-sizes/ 21:11 < TeamColtra> No you sign up for the pro version trial, and then downgrade to a free account 21:12 Google has announced a change to Google Apps for Business — ending the free version of the product, offering only its Premium version which costs $50 per user, per year, regardless of the size of the company. The change was announced on Google’s Official Enterprise blog. Existing Google Apps for business users who have free accounts get to carry on without paying the subscription fee but businesses wanting to sign up from now 21:12 with have to pay. 21:12 < JMcleod> I dont know what google can do for us really given that every member needs an email, that would probably break the "free" 7 email limit. 21:12 < TeamColtra> Seriously, I just signed up for it 2 days ago. You just downgrade your account. 21:12 < TeamColtra> Oh that's true if we are offering email accounts for users 21:13 < TeamColtra> then we will need to do our own system 21:14 < CCitizen> Hey 21:14 < JMcleod> Of course we could have a free dummy account just to use the google SMTP for outgoing mail, but we still need our own email for our president@ name.last@ etc. 21:15 < CCitizen> The meeting is still going on I guess? wow :) 21:16 < TeamColtra> Also as I said before -- leadership email doesn't need to be hidden from Google (or anyone) considering we should be transparent 21:16 I would still perfer if we controled all our data 21:17 < TeamColtra> Our email always working > Control of our data 21:18 < CCitizen> I'd agree we should try to keep everything we can in house... Just because we dont have anything to hide doesnt mean we should be volunteering information either 21:18 ^ 21:18 Could not have said it better myself 21:19 < TeamColtra> We are not volunteering information, it's Google. They would have no need to risk their company to spy on a political party 21:19 No, they wouldnt even have to lift a finger 21:19 cd PirateParty | grep private information 21:20 < TeamColtra> i doubt they would have a pirate party folder, and that would technical involve listing at least 8 fingers 21:21 < JMcleod> actually its that free has a 7 email limit 21:21 < JMcleod> a limitation we can do without 21:21 < CCitizen> Anyways... I'm not really paranoid so if we need to set something up as a stopgap measure fully knowing we'll be bringing it back under our servers later on 21:21 < TeamColtra> Honestly, if we are hosting users emails as well… then the issue is moot anyway 21:23 < JMcleod> I just removed that anonymous mask from our frontpage 21:23 < CCitizen> Werent we going to keep @pirateparty.ca emails to official party business and use @piratemail.ca Jake had set up as an 'everyone email server' 21:23 < juzt4me_> so does anyone have info on the election coming up? 21:23 < JMcleod> I recall we asked IT to do that a while back 21:24 < JMcleod> juzt4me_: I wish, gotta get a hold of Jake 21:24 < JMcleod> Couldnt figure out how to set up a vote. 21:24 < CCitizen> Yeah... I'm really not looking forward to going into BMO again 21:24 < JMcleod> I got the vote page, but nothing about expiry or getting the actual vote ID 21:24 CCitizen: I can come and drive you 21:24 you are in the GTA right? 21:24 < TeamColtra> adpaolucci you are in the TO area too!? 21:24 yep 21:24 < CCitizen> I can walk to the branch it's close enough... it's just I hate dealing with banks 21:25 < TeamColtra> We seriously need to have a meetup 21:25 CCitizen I'll come hold your hand then? XD 21:25 < TeamColtra> You, Myself, Scott Elcome 21:25 < CCitizen> Jeremy is in GTA too 21:25 < CCitizen> Well I think he's more out in Mississauga area or Brampton 21:25 < juzt4me_> well what positions are in the election? 21:26 < TeamColtra> all the positions if I am right 21:26 < CCitizen> Everything... though I think janruary one is to fill the PC 21:26 < CCitizen> Feb is to fill Pres/VP, Leader/Deputy Leader and Secretary 21:27 < CCitizen> We really need to fix the constitution of the party... as well as get more participation for GMs 21:28 < RLim> I kind of like the most votes become the leader 21:31 < RLim> oh yeah Teamcol 21:31 < RLim> TeamColtra: is now an east coaster 21:31 < TeamColtra> Yes 21:31 < RLim> Is that a word? that does not sound right. lol 21:32 < juzt4me_> hmm. or we do like other parties, a run off election...ensures 50% or more, raises awareness as well as a nee electoral system that we could support 21:33 < CCitizen> Well we at the moment do approval so top 5 and any over 60% approval get in currently... but really we could redo everything. i think we need to throw our current constitution in the shredder and start over 21:33 < TeamColtra> I have been talking with Scott Elcomb to start a PPON 21:33 < RLim> What does he think? 21:34 < RLim> Shawn Gray, and someone who volunteered to run in Durham 21:34 < RLim> they are in Ontario also 21:35 < RLim> David Ascroft 21:35 < RLim> he have business in Durham 21:35 < RLim> which is where I used to live 21:35 < RLim> east of Toronto 21:35 < RLim> he is in Ottawa and I think already a confirmed candidate 21:46 < JMcleod> I gtg 21:46 < JMcleod> GM Wednesday 

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