FC 2011-02-03 transcript

2011-02-03 21:30:01   ~MikkelPaulson    Zblewski Nuitari rintaran: roll call 2011-02-03 21:30:12   +rintaran    Here 2011-02-03 21:30:17   +Zblewski    here 2011-02-03 21:30:43   +rintaran    Is there an agenda for this evening, or are we just bouncing ideas off a wall? 2011-02-03 21:31:14   ~MikkelPaulson    actually there is 2011-02-03 21:31:21    ~MikkelPaulson    I just haven't written it down 2011-02-03 21:31:22   ~MikkelPaulson    heh 2011-02-03 21:31:38   -->    TravisMcCrea (trisquel@ppca-C21D2A87.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #council 2011-02-03 21:31:42   <--    TeamColtra (1850f195@ppca-A3A5A5B2.mibbit.com) has left #council 2011-02-03 21:32:11   ~MikkelPaulson    https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=754.0 2011-02-03 21:32:19   ~MikkelPaulson    now there is :) 2011-02-03 21:32:36    ~MikkelPaulson    of course, if there's anything extra you'd like to raise, you're quite welcome 2011-02-03 21:32:54    +Nuitari    Hi 2011-02-03 21:34:02    ~MikkelPaulson    sweet, everybody's here 2011-02-03 21:34:10    ~MikkelPaulson    in that case, I'll call the meeting to order 2011-02-03 21:34:26    ~MikkelPaulson    first bit: rintaran will be joining us for the meeting tonight 2011-02-03 21:34:35    ~MikkelPaulson    or rather, he will be participating; he's always here 2011-02-03 21:34:45    ~MikkelPaulson    TravisMcCrea has agreed to take transcript and minutes for this meeting 2011-02-03 21:35:14    ~MikkelPaulson    so, welcome to the +v world :) 2011-02-03 21:35:16   +rintaran    Excellent. Thank-you Travis. 2011-02-03 21:35:29   +rintaran    Thanks Mikkel. Happy to have voice. 2011-02-03 21:35:44   ~MikkelPaulson    I'm sure you'll do us proud 2011-02-03 21:36:01   ~MikkelPaulson    so first (real) order of business tonight is the UBB issue 2011-02-03 21:36:17   ~MikkelPaulson    specifically, our failure to issue a timely statement on the matter 2011-02-03 21:36:28   ~MikkelPaulson    it's relevant to our platform, it was current, and it's almost gone 2011-02-03 21:36:53   ~MikkelPaulson    I've gotten a lot of flak for our lack of response to this one 2011-02-03 21:36:55   +rintaran    There's a demonstration on the hill tomorrow that I'll be attending. 2011-02-03 21:36:57   +Nuitari    it will be back in about 60 days 2011-02-03 21:37:04   ~MikkelPaulson    fair enough, I'm leader and the buck stops with me 2011-02-03 21:37:12    ~MikkelPaulson    but I want to know what happened and how we can fix it 2011-02-03 21:37:17    ~MikkelPaulson    Zblewski: this one's in your court 2011-02-03 21:37:48   +Nuitari    we only are 3 on the pr mailling list, me you and Zblewski 2011-02-03 21:38:00   +Zblewski    I've decided that I want take responsibility for this failure. "Real life" (quote-unquote) got a hold of me, and there is no way that I could over-ride that. 2011-02-03 21:38:01   +Nuitari    we need to have more people apt to handle PR 2011-02-03 21:39:01    ~MikkelPaulson    if I recall correctly, the first thing I asked when putting you in charge of PR was to build an effective committee to handle this sort of situation 2011-02-03 21:39:12   ~MikkelPaulson    I can't fault you personally for being able to handle every situation that comes up 2011-02-03 21:39:17    ~MikkelPaulson    *unable 2011-02-03 21:39:20   ~MikkelPaulson    I'm the same 2011-02-03 21:39:20   +Zblewski    I went completely off the radar for my own reasons, and neglected to find a suitable person to take on the case, I just had no time or energy to do it, and that is all in my court, as Mikkel said. 2011-02-03 21:39:35   ~MikkelPaulson    but we need to do a better job of delegating the work that we can't do ourselves 2011-02-03 21:39:52   +rintaran    I'm sorry, but aren't we the pirate party and not the pity party? 2011-02-03 21:40:09   ~MikkelPaulson    sorry? 2011-02-03 21:40:12   +Zblewski    People did step up when the first call went out, but since then, those people kind of disappeared. 2011-02-03 21:40:16   +rintaran    Stop crying over what you could've done, but didn't do. Instead, do something now. 2011-02-03 21:40:38   ~MikkelPaulson    the point is to figure out what should've happened and how it should've gone 2011-02-03 21:41:33   +rintaran    Real life got in the way, there was no PR committee, only a single man, and it should've had something issued immediately upon the ruling. 2011-02-03 21:41:33   ~MikkelPaulson    so Zblewski, your #1 priority right now is to follow up with the volunteers we've had to deal with PR 2011-02-03 21:41:45    +Nuitari    rintaran: there is some value in analyzing how it went wrong and acting on fixing it 2011-02-03 21:41:55    ~MikkelPaulson    Ayes has expressed plenty of interest in PR, cyberanger also just volunteered 2011-02-03 21:42:01   ~MikkelPaulson    maybe they'll work out and maybe they won't 2011-02-03 21:42:20    ~MikkelPaulson    but it's important that we establish that structure now so that if our PR director is otherwise engaged the work still gets done 2011-02-03 21:42:32   +rintaran    True, there is. But repeatedly blaming yourselves/ourselves is only going to decrease what little morale ya'll have and prevent anything from getting done in the future. 2011-02-03 21:42:44   cyberanger    disclaimer, I'm not canidan, at the moment, grew up a few kilometers south for that 2011-02-03 21:42:44   --    #council: You need voice (+v) (#council) 2011-02-03 21:42:47   +Nuitari    we also need to know when anyone in PR is too busy to do the work 2011-02-03 21:43:03   ~MikkelPaulson    I have no interest in dishing out blame, sorry if it sounds like I am 2011-02-03 21:43:26    +rintaran    Bingo. Biggest problem with all "teams" is usually communication. And that's where the issue truly lies within the PPCA as well. 2011-02-03 21:43:35   +Zblewski    Ayes did an amazing job, I'm looking forward to hearing from cyberanger, if he could email pr@ with what background he can, it would be great, so I can get him started 2011-02-03 21:43:36   ~MikkelPaulson    definitely 2011-02-03 21:43:52   ~MikkelPaulson    with the weekly Federal Council meetings I think we've come a long way 2011-02-03 21:44:16   ~MikkelPaulson    I think a PR meeting once or twice a week might be a good idea to keep everyone on the same page 2011-02-03 21:44:27   +rintaran    I think maybe it's time to work out a good communication protocol for internal and external communications. One that keeps members on the ball, and those on committees on tab regularly. 2011-02-03 21:44:29   ~MikkelPaulson    it's easy to ignore an email sent to a mailing list and let someone else handle it 2011-02-03 21:44:39    ~MikkelPaulson    any suggestions? 2011-02-03 21:44:55   +Zblewski    Would be great 2011-02-03 21:44:59   +Zblewski    to have PR meetings 2011-02-03 21:45:07   +Zblewski    if there were more PR people 2011-02-03 21:45:11   ~MikkelPaulson    indeed 2011-02-03 21:45:17   ~MikkelPaulson    well, there are volunteers aplenty 2011-02-03 21:45:33   ~MikkelPaulson    just have to follow up with them 2011-02-03 21:45:40   +Zblewski    Like I said, the people that have initiative and long-term commitment are few 2011-02-03 21:45:57   +rintaran    There's a forum topic where people listed their strengths. Track down everyone that mentioned writing or public speaking and give them a call. 2011-02-03 21:46:00   ~MikkelPaulson    so take advantage of the people with short-term initiative 2011-02-03 21:46:19   +Zblewski    those that did step up, nearly all of them, disappeared after two emails 2011-02-03 21:46:22   +rintaran    Worst they can say is, they aren't interested. 2011-02-03 21:46:46   +rintaran    What was in those two e-mails that drove them off? 2011-02-03 21:46:53   ~MikkelPaulson    I no longer have any particular reservations about putting Ayes on the committee; he's well-spoken and writes a decent press release 2011-02-03 21:47:12   ~MikkelPaulson    remains to be seen how he'll work out of course, but I think he deserves a shot 2011-02-03 21:48:23   +Zblewski    rintaran: Just, "I hope you do a fine job, here are some topics, research them, report back to me when you feel you are ready to work on those issues" 2011-02-03 21:48:48   ~MikkelPaulson    research is awesome, but I think we're more in need of frontline PR people 2011-02-03 21:48:57   +rintaran    Ah. I see the issue. 2011-02-03 21:48:58   ~MikkelPaulson    if there's someone who's only interested in research they're welcome to it 2011-02-03 21:49:18    +Zblewski    Mikkel, did Sona Ghosh ever help you when I refered you to her? 2011-02-03 21:49:24   +rintaran    Having worked as a manager, one of the first things I learned was to be specific and assign a series of clear, small tasks instead of one large one. 2011-02-03 21:49:34   ~MikkelPaulson    but given the choice, for now we just need to make sure that every media request and every press release is followed up on on the same day 2011-02-03 21:49:43   ~MikkelPaulson    Zblewski: haven't heard from her, no 2011-02-03 21:49:46    ~MikkelPaulson    but I haven't followed up 2011-02-03 21:50:20    ~MikkelPaulson    speaking of fixing what's broke, I've been thinking about portfolios to assign once we have a full slate 2011-02-03 21:50:26   +rintaran    Big tasks overwhelm people, even if they can see their importance. Small tasks seem easy, so popping off a few works nicely. 2011-02-03 21:50:50   ~MikkelPaulson    my proposals (to be discussed and assigned post-election obviously): PR, tech/agent, volunteer coordinator, and international liaison 2011-02-03 21:51:11   ~MikkelPaulson    hopefully the volunteer coordinator will be able to help whip the PR committee into shape and recruit new volunteers for it 2011-02-03 21:51:58    +rintaran    What policies and protocols do you currently have in place for PR? 2011-02-03 21:52:00   +Zblewski    I find I've not been able to fill those specific tasks to the level that I've needed to 2011-02-03 21:52:17    +Zblewski    rintaran, I'll be frank. None. 2011-02-03 21:52:29   +rintaran    I suspected that might be the case. 2011-02-03 21:52:40   ~MikkelPaulson    well, PR is by far the most important of our fields, so just tell us how we can help 2011-02-03 21:53:02   ~MikkelPaulson    no need to take on the monumental task on your own, that's how we got into this mess 2011-02-03 21:53:04   +rintaran    Remember the CQG I came up with? We need a PRQG to help guide PR committe members. 2011-02-03 21:53:13   +Nuitari    cqg? 2011-02-03 21:53:21   +rintaran    One the groundwork is done, anyone can follow it. 2011-02-03 21:53:21   ~MikkelPaulson    clerk quality guide 2011-02-03 21:53:52   +rintaran    Maybe not a quality guide, but a basic training brochure. 2011-02-03 21:54:03   +Nuitari    that I can agree with 2011-02-03 21:54:11   ~MikkelPaulson    and readily-available material, multiple points of contact 2011-02-03 21:54:14   +rintaran    The best volunteer is one with a specific job description, trained for the task. 2011-02-03 21:54:30   +rintaran    A PR training brochure could do wonders. 2011-02-03 21:54:55   ~MikkelPaulson    we all deserve the opportunity to take a break (or get swamped with other work) from time to time, but the way the party is currently running that's not an option 2011-02-03 21:54:58   ~MikkelPaulson    we have to be on 24/7 2011-02-03 21:55:05   +rintaran    It would also layout media-proper formatting, including the old-fashioned but still used -30- at the end of the release followed by summary of organization 2011-02-03 21:55:38   +Zblewski    Ayes incorperated that in last release 2011-02-03 21:55:54   ~MikkelPaulson    we have a standard last paragraph we use as well 2011-02-03 21:55:58   +Zblewski    I'm not formally trained in press release syntax 2011-02-03 21:56:01   ~MikkelPaulson    his was a bit more concise 2011-02-03 21:56:09   +rintaran    Excellent. It's a good start. 2011-02-03 21:56:47   ~MikkelPaulson    an article I read recently suggested that due to the fast turnaround in online news reporting, press releases should be written in article-like format so that they can just be copied verbatim onto a news site with no harm done 2011-02-03 21:56:52   +rintaran    We need to do less work in our heads, and more on the digital paper. It keeps people on the same page and working toward our defined goals. 2011-02-03 21:57:01   ~MikkelPaulson    aside of course from a ridiculously one-sided perspective, but that's not uncommon anyway 2011-02-03 21:57:13   ~MikkelPaulson    PiratePad 2011-02-03 21:57:46   +rintaran    PiratePad is a nice tool for those with access to it. But your standard guide, I'd put in locked-down Wiki files. 2011-02-03 21:57:54   ~MikkelPaulson    yeah 2011-02-03 21:57:58   ~MikkelPaulson    of course 2011-02-03 21:58:03   ~MikkelPaulson    I mean with writing press releases and such 2011-02-03 21:58:53   ~MikkelPaulson    Zblewski: will you have time to follow up with p2pnet's offer of a guest column in the near future? 2011-02-03 22:00:00   +Zblewski    Within 2 weeks 2011-02-03 22:00:13   ~MikkelPaulson    okay 2011-02-03 22:00:24   ~MikkelPaulson    just keep the communication open 2011-02-03 22:00:30   +rintaran    Is it a regular column, or just a one-off? 2011-02-03 22:00:33   ~MikkelPaulson    "I can't right now" is an acceptable reply 2011-02-03 22:00:41   ~MikkelPaulson    one-off 2011-02-03 22:01:12   +rintaran    I see. Op piece or interview? 2011-02-03 22:01:19   +Zblewski    Op-piece 2011-02-03 22:01:25   +rintaran    Nice. 2011-02-03 22:02:43   +rintaran    Interviews are too directed and time-sensitive. As an op-piece, you can delay it a little without too much hassel. Just be careful not to be too dated on your op-piece. It has to be current for that time. 2011-02-03 22:03:05   ~MikkelPaulson    if we do hit a February election, it'll be perfect timing 2011-02-03 22:03:27   +Zblewski    Nice segue into the next topic 2011-02-03 22:03:31   ~MikkelPaulson    indeed :) 2011-02-03 22:03:41    +rintaran    Y'know, I just realized I have a job description template for volunteers. That could be useful in getting people to apply for specific volunteer positions we need filled. It'd help get us the right people in the right jobs. 2011-02-03 22:03:42    ~MikkelPaulson    anything else to discuss on PR before we move on? 2011-02-03 22:03:52    ~MikkelPaulson    or do you have good direction? 2011-02-03 22:04:21    +Zblewski    I guess so. 2011-02-03 22:04:29    +rintaran    That's a no. 2011-02-03 22:04:35    ~MikkelPaulson    sounds like it to me 2011-02-03 22:04:52    +rintaran    What can we take off your shoulders to make it clearer mate? 2011-02-03 22:04:54    +Zblewski    rintaran: I'll see if I can forward the original description 2011-02-03 22:05:41    +rintaran    Sure thing. I'll help hammer it out into something a little clearer. 2011-02-03 22:06:11   +rintaran    We can utilize the Wiki to form a list of volunteer positions and just refer people to the postings as we need people to fill them. 2011-02-03 22:06:15   +Zblewski    If Anything comes up in the next week, I'll need a release-writer for sure. cyberanger has PM'd me 2011-02-03 22:06:22   +rintaran    Makes it especially useful when we're starting to run the election. 2011-02-03 22:06:48   ~MikkelPaulson    okay 2011-02-03 22:06:53   ~MikkelPaulson    anything you need right now? 2011-02-03 22:07:46   +rintaran    Other than the short blurb on the "volunteer" topic, do we have any other volunteer jobs we need filled? 2011-02-03 22:07:55   +Zblewski    A vacation somewhere warm, and likely Ayes so that I can deflect emails to him that I can't take 2011-02-03 22:08:08   +rintaran    lol 2011-02-03 22:08:26   ~MikkelPaulson    can't do the vacation thing I'm afraid, but Ayes should be pretty easy 2011-02-03 22:08:30   +rintaran    You'd have to fly by catapault, and I think the US border patrol might try to shoot you down en-route... 2011-02-03 22:08:55   ~MikkelPaulson    that'd have to be a hell of a catapult 2011-02-03 22:09:11   +Zblewski    I at least have Garlic potatoes and plenty of sauce to keep me sane whilst working on school stuff 2011-02-03 22:09:14   +rintaran    It's BS-powered. 2011-02-03 22:09:37   +rintaran    Just need the PM to say two words and it'll rocket someone to Florida easy. 2011-02-03 22:09:51   ~MikkelPaulson    anyway, I'm putting the full resources of the party, myself included, at your disposal until we get the PR situation sorted out 2011-02-03 22:09:52   ~MikkelPaulson    use me 2011-02-03 22:10:43    +rintaran    I'll get some proper volunteer job descriptions done up and sent to you by Monday. You give me the nod, and I'll get them posted to the site. Hopefully a few of the right kind of people will step forward. 2011-02-03 22:10:57   ~MikkelPaulson    we do have committee descriptions already 2011-02-03 22:11:01   +rintaran    It'll work better when they know exactly what's expected. We'll get you help. 2011-02-03 22:11:37   +rintaran    You have general descriptions. They aren't very specific. Too vague, and it's why the committees aren't going too far in most topics. 2011-02-03 22:12:13   ~MikkelPaulson    yeah 2011-02-03 22:12:29   ~MikkelPaulson    and we need someone to follow up with every member of every committee 2011-02-03 22:12:34   ~MikkelPaulson    a job for the volunteer coordinator 2011-02-03 22:13:08   +rintaran    Yup. 2011-02-03 22:13:36   +rintaran    Can you guess what my favourite topic is this semester in my program? HR & Volunteer Management. 2011-02-03 22:13:58   ~MikkelPaulson    heh 2011-02-03 22:14:08   ~MikkelPaulson    yeah, I think you'd be a good guy for the position if you're elected 2011-02-03 22:14:27   ~MikkelPaulson    trying to avoid drawing up lists of candidates 2011-02-03 22:14:35   ~MikkelPaulson    *directors and responsibilities 2011-02-03 22:14:47   ~MikkelPaulson    until the election is completed and the portfolios finalized 2011-02-03 22:15:22   +rintaran    We've a lot of good candidates this round. Whoever takes that portfolio is going to have to be very organized and have a forbidden love affair with Excel or its open-source equivalent. 2011-02-03 22:15:40   ~MikkelPaulson    OO *shudder* 2011-02-03 22:16:22   +rintaran    As I said, I'll e-mail a packet of job descriptions based upon the committees general description to you by Monday. It'll give a head start. 2011-02-03 22:16:23   ~MikkelPaulson    okay 2011-02-03 22:16:29   ~MikkelPaulson    sounds good 2011-02-03 22:16:43   ~MikkelPaulson    let's talk by-election before we go federal 2011-02-03 22:16:56   ~MikkelPaulson    Nuitari: scshunt and I have decided that phone voting won't be necessary, so you're off the hook 2011-02-03 22:17:16   +Nuitari    good 2011-02-03 22:17:20   +rintaran    Old-tech, rarely used? 2011-02-03 22:17:27   ~MikkelPaulson    yeah 2011-02-03 22:17:31   +Nuitari    and I've been getting alerts saying that the db changed according to the webvoting? 2011-02-03 22:17:41   ~MikkelPaulson    and trying to implement STV by phone would be a challenge 2011-02-03 22:17:49   ~MikkelPaulson    I haven't touched the database 2011-02-03 22:17:54   ~MikkelPaulson    oh, should close web voting though 2011-02-03 22:18:03   ~MikkelPaulson    we need to automate this, I suck at getting the timings right 2011-02-03 22:18:20   ~MikkelPaulson    or rather we need to make it easy enough that the clerk can take it over ;) 2011-02-03 22:18:56    +rintaran    That would be useful. 2011-02-03 22:19:00    ~MikkelPaulson    actually I added a key field to the votes table, but it's not required so it shouldn't affect your phone system 2011-02-03 22:19:08    +rintaran    Making it easier to navigate would be a dream too. 2011-02-03 22:19:25    ~MikkelPaulson    Stenobot is now feature-complete on the IRC end, so I'm going to start working on the AJAX interface when I have the chance 2011-02-03 22:19:34    +Nuitari    since we only have 2 positions, why not ask who is the first one and who is the second one 2011-02-03 22:19:58    ~MikkelPaulson    STV allows as many votes as there are candidates 2011-02-03 22:20:35    ~MikkelPaulson    you should know better than most how much of a gong show FPTP is 2011-02-03 22:21:18    +Nuitari    I know 2011-02-03 22:21:30   +Nuitari    db_query(REPLACE INTO votes VALUES (0, 55, 3059,'','y',0)) 2011-02-03 22:21:37   +Nuitari    what's wrong with that ? 2011-02-03 22:22:31   ~MikkelPaulson    you should always name your SQL fields in queries 2011-02-03 22:22:57   +Nuitari    missing key I guess 2011-02-03 22:22:57   ~MikkelPaulson    REPLACE INTO votes (pid, vid, uid, username, vote, public) VALUES (…) 2011-02-03 22:23:14   ~MikkelPaulson    yeah, you can just add ,'' to the list 2011-02-03 22:23:20   ~MikkelPaulson    but best practices and all of that 2011-02-03 22:23:41   ~MikkelPaulson    anyway, not really the place for a technical discussion 2011-02-03 22:23:55   +rintaran    I believe the topic was by-election. 2011-02-03 22:23:59   ~MikkelPaulson    the point is that afaik nothing extra should be required of you for the election 2011-02-03 22:24:18   ~MikkelPaulson    of course scshunt is the final judge of that and is welcome to ask for assistance should he need it 2011-02-03 22:24:20    +Nuitari    ok 2011-02-03 22:24:38    ~MikkelPaulson    final point: federal election 2011-02-03 22:24:53   ~MikkelPaulson    it's sounding more and more like we're facing a February (maaaybe March) election 2011-02-03 22:25:07   ~MikkelPaulson    we're not ready 2011-02-03 22:25:18   ~MikkelPaulson    that needs to happen 2011-02-03 22:25:19   ~MikkelPaulson    discuss 2011-02-03 22:25:20   +Zblewski    We can't have a february election, it's traditionally five weeks 2011-02-03 22:25:27   +Nuitari    well 2011-02-03 22:25:29   +rintaran    As I understand our by-laws, if Jeff Coleman wishes to run in the federal election, he needs to re-run to be a candidate. There are three other "elected" candidates that we probably want to check with as well. 2011-02-03 22:25:46   ~MikkelPaulson    the writ will drop in February 2011-02-03 22:25:48   +rintaran    Though I believe one is you Mikkel. : 2011-02-03 22:25:49   +rintaran    :P 2011-02-03 22:25:54   +Nuitari    I'd waive that requirement, if Jeff wants to run again he's more then welcome to do it 2011-02-03 22:26:04    ~MikkelPaulson    there is no such requirement now 2011-02-03 22:26:08   +Nuitari    good 2011-02-03 22:26:11   +Nuitari    also 2011-02-03 22:26:16   ~MikkelPaulson    we can legally appoint him with the new constitutional amendment 2011-02-03 22:26:17   +Zblewski    The other candidates need to be notified 2011-02-03 22:26:19   ~MikkelPaulson    as soon as the writ drops 2011-02-03 22:26:26   +Nuitari    note that the CRTC said that 60 days is when UBB will be reconsidered 2011-02-03 22:26:39   ~MikkelPaulson    it'll be an election issue for sure 2011-02-03 22:26:46   +Nuitari    this gives ample of time for the issue to go away during an election and to have the election on another issue then UBB 2011-02-03 22:26:53   +rintaran    We can use the UBB as a major leaping point for campaigns where they're run. 2011-02-03 22:26:53   ~MikkelPaulson    and for the third time bill C-32 will die on the order paper 2011-02-03 22:28:02   +Nuitari    I think we will see an election before the end of march 2011-02-03 22:28:07   +rintaran    With volunteer positions laid out, we can begin recruiting in those regards. We need to hammer out a solid platform and some collateral, video, and interactive materials swiftly. 2011-02-03 22:28:10   ~MikkelPaulson    we've been discussing purchasing a couple of 160 GB hard drives ($30 each), loading them up with FOSS material, and shipping them off to Clement and the CRTC as a demonstration of the cost-effectiveness of UBB 2011-02-03 22:28:18   ~MikkelPaulson    we can then issue a nice press release on the subject 2011-02-03 22:28:40   +Zblewski    Yes. 2011-02-03 22:29:17   +rintaran    You can still get drives that small? 2011-02-03 22:29:25   ~MikkelPaulson    2.5" 2011-02-03 22:29:46    ~MikkelPaulson    http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822242006 2011-02-03 22:30:08    ~MikkelPaulson    cost to us would be ~$50 for 160 GB 2011-02-03 22:30:19    ~MikkelPaulson    cost with Bell's UBB pricing would be $320 2011-02-03 22:30:57    +rintaran    It'd be a pretty effective message. If I may make a suggestion though? 2011-02-03 22:31:04    ~MikkelPaulson    that's what you're here for 2011-02-03 22:31:28    +rintaran    Don't just send one to Clement. Send it with the media release to several major news agencies. 2011-02-03 22:31:54    +rintaran    Even better if we throw a sticker on the outside. 2011-02-03 22:32:05    ~MikkelPaulson    I don't know that they'd accept the inconvenience 2011-02-03 22:32:10    ~MikkelPaulson    they'd probably rather just get a press release 2011-02-03 22:32:50    +rintaran    Another piece of paper across their desk, they tend to ignore. Send them a drive, they look on in curiosity. We can use that. 2011-02-03 22:33:13   ~MikkelPaulson    maybe 2011-02-03 22:33:16   ~MikkelPaulson    what do you guys think? 2011-02-03 22:33:17   +Nuitari    why not USB keys ? 2011-02-03 22:33:29   ~MikkelPaulson    price per GB is much higher 2011-02-03 22:33:30   +Nuitari    would be easier for most of them to access it 2011-02-03 22:33:45    ~MikkelPaulson    the bigger we can push that price difference the better 2011-02-03 22:34:01   +rintaran    Big numbers, like big actions impress. 2011-02-03 22:34:02   ~MikkelPaulson    the drive I linked is a bus-powered 2.5", should be just as easy as a USB key 2011-02-03 22:34:31    ~MikkelPaulson    the question is how much we want to sink into this little demonstration 2011-02-03 22:35:00    ~MikkelPaulson    especially with an election on the horizon 2011-02-03 22:35:16    ~MikkelPaulson    and by the time the drives are delivered to us and then shipped to the media, the story will likely have blown over 2011-02-03 22:36:32    +rintaran    Shipping time is the death of us on this initiative I fear. 2011-02-03 22:36:47    ~MikkelPaulson    yeah 2011-02-03 22:36:57    ~MikkelPaulson    maybe we should get this all lined up in case it breaks again? 2011-02-03 22:37:09    +rintaran    It would pretty much have to be in Clement's & the media's hands by Wednesday for it to have any buzz. 2011-02-03 22:37:09    ~MikkelPaulson    we know the CRTC is going to "review" the decision and then say the same thing in a month 2011-02-03 22:37:27   +rintaran    We could get it and use it as a part of our campaigning... 2011-02-03 22:38:14   +rintaran    60 days is when the issue is revisited, and within that time we'll hit an election. We could use UBB and consumer outrage, and try to push that issue back into the spotlight. 2011-02-03 22:38:14   ~MikkelPaulson    if it actually goes into effect we could take it to the next level, charge $100 for filling a 160 GB drive with whatever content the customer links to 2011-02-03 22:38:23    ~MikkelPaulson    now THAT would be a strong message 2011-02-03 22:38:38   ~MikkelPaulson    yeah 2011-02-03 22:38:43   ~MikkelPaulson    let's get it set up and sit on it for a bit 2011-02-03 22:38:57   ~MikkelPaulson    it's going to rear its ugly head again and again 2011-02-03 22:39:10   ~MikkelPaulson    and if we can overnight it as soon as the story breaks, fantastic 2011-02-03 22:39:25   +rintaran    Which means we need to order the drives. 2011-02-03 22:39:47   +rintaran    Get them in-stock at PPCA HQ... Whichever basement that may be this week. 2011-02-03 22:39:57   +Nuitari    great 2011-02-03 22:40:10   +Nuitari    I wish I could download using the work connection :/ 2011-02-03 22:40:17   -->    ehxor (ehxor@ppca-CC7ECBFA.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #council 2011-02-03 22:40:32   ~MikkelPaulson    no rush 2011-02-03 22:40:51   ~MikkelPaulson    unfortunately my cap is 60 GB so it would take me a while to fill such a drive 2011-02-03 22:40:53   +Nuitari    how many drives do we need? 2011-02-03 22:40:59   +Nuitari    no cap, yet 2011-02-03 22:41:09   +Nuitari    despite Bell repeated "enticing" offers 2011-02-03 22:41:16   ~MikkelPaulson    well, it's Telus, and apparently they don't actually enforce their caps 2011-02-03 22:41:31   ~MikkelPaulson    but they'd still complain if I hit 3x my actual bandwidth cap 2011-02-03 22:41:39   +Nuitari    bleh 2011-02-03 22:41:51   ~MikkelPaulson    would take me a while to download that much anyway 2011-02-03 22:41:58   +rintaran    I've got 65 GB cap here... I needed to get online, and Bell was the only one that would come to setup on a Saturday. 2011-02-03 22:42:19   ~MikkelPaulson    shoulda just spent the weekend at Bridgehead 2011-02-03 22:42:46   +rintaran    Heh. I was a chicken with my head cut-off those first two weeks back in the capitol. 2011-02-03 22:42:54   ~MikkelPaulson    no doubt 2011-02-03 22:43:15   +rintaran    Anyhow, Federal Election strategy. 2011-02-03 22:43:18   +Nuitari    should have gotten dialup while waiting 2011-02-03 22:43:23   ~MikkelPaulson    indeed 2011-02-03 22:43:32   +rintaran    We need to work on a marketing plan. 2011-02-03 22:43:44   ~MikkelPaulson    follow up with our candidates 2011-02-03 22:43:48   ~MikkelPaulson    hope Jake is still planning to run 2011-02-03 22:43:57   +Nuitari    is Ayes interested in running? 2011-02-03 22:44:19   +rintaran    What about Steve? 2011-02-03 22:44:22   ~MikkelPaulson    he was at one point, but I don't think he wants to be candidate and director 2011-02-03 22:44:27   ~MikkelPaulson    Steve? 2011-02-03 22:44:30   ~MikkelPaulson    Henderson? 2011-02-03 22:44:42   +rintaran    Yeah. Did he have interest? 2011-02-03 22:45:04   +rintaran    Or was it more of a down the line type thing? 2011-02-03 22:45:07   ~MikkelPaulson    I asked each of the candidates if they wanted to run 2011-02-03 22:45:18   ~MikkelPaulson    Ayes: If I am a member of the federal council by then, I will definitely not run. If I am not, I may consider running in Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam. Realistically, I will not. But I'd like to, because that is where James Moore holds his seat, and that guy introduced Bill C-32. As a member of the council, I would push to have someone run against him, and I would do all I could to support that campaign. 2011-02-03 22:45:38   ~MikkelPaulson    Steve's response was just "no" 2011-02-03 22:45:50   +rintaran    Ah. Too bad. 2011-02-03 22:45:59   +Zblewski    What about Craig Nobbs? 2011-02-03 22:46:09   +Zblewski    We need to wake him up 2011-02-03 22:46:12    ~MikkelPaulson    indeed 2011-02-03 22:46:28   +Zblewski    And hope he has a grand by now 2011-02-03 22:46:30   ~MikkelPaulson    I'll put out another Twitter/Facebook call for candidates 2011-02-03 22:46:40   ~MikkelPaulson    maybe we can rustle up a few more now that the restrictions are looser 2011-02-03 22:47:18   +Zblewski    The cash is the only thing keeping me from running ;_; 2011-02-03 22:47:46   +rintaran    I'd spot ya if I didn't just receive a $7k repair bill. 2011-02-03 22:47:48   ~MikkelPaulson    see if you can borrow it from someone 2011-02-03 22:47:54   ~MikkelPaulson    it doesn't count as an election expense 2011-02-03 22:48:56   +Nuitari    we are 60$ short of a 3000$ warchest 2011-02-03 22:49:22   ~MikkelPaulson    cool 2011-02-03 22:49:24   +rintaran    How many candidates do we want to field this round? I'd love to aim for 5 if we can get'm. 2011-02-03 22:49:31   ~MikkelPaulson    as many as possible 2011-02-03 22:49:52   ~MikkelPaulson    when asked by the media I've been saying a dozen depending on when the writ drops 2011-02-03 22:49:55   +rintaran    Yeah, pick a number. As many as possible equals 1 2011-02-03 22:50:04   ~MikkelPaulson    but obviously that's not happening 2011-02-03 22:50:23   ~MikkelPaulson    I think 5 or 6 would be good 2011-02-03 22:50:34   ~MikkelPaulson    we need to get the Federal Council more involved in individual campaignns 2011-02-03 22:50:45   +rintaran    Revise it to a half-dozen next time they ask. Then it seems more realistic and if you're a couple short, it's close enough. 2011-02-03 22:50:46   ~MikkelPaulson    it's lucky that Jeff had a great work ethic or his campaign would've gone nowhere 2011-02-03 22:50:51   ~MikkelPaulson    yeah 2011-02-03 22:51:20   +rintaran    If we keep saying a dozen and only field 4, we look like fools. We're trying to ditch that image. 2011-02-03 22:51:29   +Nuitari    wish I could run ;( 2011-02-03 22:51:34    ~MikkelPaulson    the United Party said 308 :D 2011-02-03 22:51:41    +Zblewski    Fail 2011-02-03 22:52:17    +rintaran    lol 2011-02-03 22:52:30    +rintaran    Could be worse... Could claim to run more than there are ridings. 2011-02-03 22:52:36    ~MikkelPaulson    haha 2011-02-03 22:52:48    ~MikkelPaulson    the Rhinos have probably already done that 2011-02-03 22:52:51    +rintaran    We're OT though. 2011-02-03 22:52:58    ~MikkelPaulson    and declared that they have 35 million Canadian members 2011-02-03 22:53:21    ~MikkelPaulson    indeed 2011-02-03 22:53:37    ~MikkelPaulson    honestly I don't know what we're going to need to get this all in order 2011-02-03 22:53:45    ~MikkelPaulson    business cards 2011-02-03 22:53:50    +rintaran    It starts with a marketing plan. 2011-02-03 22:53:51    ~MikkelPaulson    brochure/flyer/ad templates 2011-02-03 22:54:01   ~MikkelPaulson    website templates 2011-02-03 22:54:07   ~MikkelPaulson    I have mikkel.ca just waiting for content 2011-02-03 22:54:11   +Nuitari    I never heard back on what gets printed where :/ 2011-02-03 22:54:16   +rintaran    From the marketing plan, you determine your collateral needs, budget, expenses, asset allocation, logists, etc. 2011-02-03 22:54:25    -->    trailblazer11 (8ea1f67b@ppca-B6DDC28A.mibbit.com) has joined #council 2011-02-03 22:54:29   ~MikkelPaulson    rintaran: think you could handle something like that? 2011-02-03 22:54:35   +Zblewski    Custom cards in Ottawa, general cards in Laval 2011-02-03 22:54:51   +Nuitari    ok, have you ordered the custom cards? 2011-02-03 22:54:53   +Zblewski    I was waiting on the results of the by-election 2011-02-03 22:54:55   +rintaran    I can start putting a marketing plan together. 2011-02-03 22:55:11   +Zblewski    I'll forward you the general template over the weekend 2011-02-03 22:55:16   +Zblewski    those can be ordered now 2011-02-03 22:55:27   ~MikkelPaulson    may as well order ours as well 2011-02-03 22:55:28   +rintaran    I'll have a 10-page marketing brief completed by next FC meeting. 2011-02-03 22:55:37   ~MikkelPaulson    as well as our candidates' 2011-02-03 22:56:02   +rintaran    Confirm your candidates before ordering their cards. 2011-02-03 22:56:16   ~MikkelPaulson    of course 2011-02-03 22:56:25   ~MikkelPaulson    I know that Jeff is interested in running 2011-02-03 22:56:34   ~MikkelPaulson    he asked me if I thought he should run for council or candidate again 2011-02-03 22:56:36   +rintaran    That's why he didn't run for director, I know. 2011-02-03 22:56:37   ~MikkelPaulson    I said candidate 2011-02-03 22:57:07   +rintaran    We could use him on council, but I like having consistency on the campaign trail. 2011-02-03 22:57:15   +rintaran    Look forward to shaking his hand someday. 2011-02-03 22:57:30   ~MikkelPaulson    and I think he's better suited to candidacy 2011-02-03 22:57:38   ~MikkelPaulson    he'd be a good director as well 2011-02-03 22:57:47   +rintaran    Is he still going around meeting people in his riding? 2011-02-03 22:57:49   ~MikkelPaulson    but his charisma and conviction would be wasted I think 2011-02-03 22:57:57   ~MikkelPaulson    I don't know, but I think we should encourage him to do so 2011-02-03 22:58:05    ~MikkelPaulson    my ideal is to knock on every door in the riding 2011-02-03 22:58:16   ~MikkelPaulson    doing so during election time requires about 1000 doors per day though 2011-02-03 22:58:28   +rintaran    Or have good conversations with enough for people to knock on doors for him. 2011-02-03 22:58:36   ~MikkelPaulson    exactly 2011-02-03 22:58:51   +Zblewski    My father is building that kind of rapport at the moment 2011-02-03 22:59:11   +Zblewski    He's also a member. I don't know how interested in running he would be. 2011-02-03 22:59:22   ~MikkelPaulson    of the PPCA? 2011-02-03 22:59:24   +Zblewski    Yes 2011-02-03 22:59:25   +rintaran    Always worth asking Mike. 2011-02-03 22:59:34   ~MikkelPaulson    sweet 2011-02-03 22:59:44   +rintaran    Worst case scenario, he says no right? 2011-02-03 22:59:45   ~MikkelPaulson    he ran for municipal government in the last election didn't he? 2011-02-03 22:59:50   +Zblewski    Yes 2011-02-03 23:00:01   ~MikkelPaulson    always nice to have a seasoned pro onside 2011-02-03 23:00:03   +rintaran    That sounds like a starting base to me. 2011-02-03 23:00:21   +Zblewski    And he's been asked by two parties to run in the Provincials, decided not to go with either (Greens, Reform Ontario) 2011-02-03 23:00:52   +Zblewski    But me and him have had this discussion before, he's open 2011-02-03 23:01:06   ~MikkelPaulson    awesome 2011-02-03 23:01:11   ~MikkelPaulson    well start pushing him on the subject 2011-02-03 23:01:49   ~MikkelPaulson    and talk to him about what support the party is anticipating having in place 2011-02-03 23:02:06   ~MikkelPaulson    always nice as a candidate to know that someone has your back 2011-02-03 23:02:15   +Zblewski    Mhm 2011-02-03 23:04:34   +rintaran    Mike, what are you up to Sunday? We could sit down and work a bit on the PR Guide. What do you think? 2011-02-03 23:04:46   ~MikkelPaulson    the other thing we should do is build advertising contacts and put together some good TV pieces 2011-02-03 23:04:52   +Zblewski    I could, I need to get back to you on that 2011-02-03 23:05:03   +rintaran    Let me know. 2011-02-03 23:05:13   +Zblewski    National ads will cost biiig 2011-02-03 23:05:17   +Zblewski    More than we have 2011-02-03 23:05:27   ~MikkelPaulson    we have free ad time remember 2011-02-03 23:05:34   +rintaran    For advertising, I have a connection with Daytime through RogersTV. Not overly useful unless we have a candidate in Ottawa though. 2011-02-03 23:05:36   +Zblewski    Yes, I'm just stating 2011-02-03 23:05:42   +rintaran    Also have a link to the Ottawa Sun. 2011-02-03 23:06:08   +Nuitari    MikkelPaulson: you could make a simple recording of you in a comfy sweater... 2011-02-03 23:06:19   ~MikkelPaulson    petting a cat? 2011-02-03 23:06:26   +Nuitari    yeah sure 2011-02-03 23:06:26   +rintaran    Just don't eat the kitten on air. 2011-02-03 23:06:31   +Zblewski    Mikkel's too well-dressed for that 2011-02-03 23:06:43   ~MikkelPaulson    sweater vest MAYBE 2011-02-03 23:06:51   +Zblewski    I've never met a snappier dresser than Mikkel 2011-02-03 23:06:58   ~MikkelPaulson    although 3 years of high school uniform sorta bred that out of me 2011-02-03 23:07:23    +Nuitari    sweater and blue jeans 2011-02-03 23:07:25   +Nuitari    a real man of the people 2011-02-03 23:08:03   +rintaran    better make it a zip-up hoodie. 2011-02-03 23:09:01   +Zblewski    That's something I normally wear on non-pirate duty 2011-02-03 23:09:16   +Zblewski    I think we're off topic 2011-02-03 23:09:25   +rintaran    Definitely. 2011-02-03 23:10:19   ~MikkelPaulson    just a bit 2011-02-03 23:10:23   +rintaran    I understand we essentially will be running this campaign with a $0 budget. We don't have the option of sponsorship, so a part of the campaigning will have to work toward getting donations and membership. 2011-02-03 23:10:52   +rintaran    $0 Marketing options are limited, but not non-existant. 2011-02-03 23:11:09   +rintaran    One of the key things is to find out what events are going on in candidate areas, and take part in them. 2011-02-03 23:11:24   +rintaran    Media covers events, so it works out as free marketing for the candidates and the party. 2011-02-03 23:11:36   +rintaran    It also shows involvement in local community. 2011-02-03 23:11:53   +rintaran    This will probably be one of our most effective marketing methods given our current resources. 2011-02-03 23:12:30   +Zblewski    Earned media is nonexistant at this point, unless you're really smart in where you show up 2011-02-03 23:12:32    +rintaran    $3k barely will buy a business card-sized ad in a newspaper for 6 days, excluding Saturday. 2011-02-03 23:13:52   +rintaran    Smart events notify the media with the time of their "big" item, whether that's a keynote speaker, finals or something else. That's also usually available on their schedule. Candidates need to be there around those times and get chummy with the organizers. 2011-02-03 23:14:13   +rintaran    And more importantly, chummy with the media. 2011-02-03 23:14:30   +rintaran    It could lead to interviews or just a quick media op. 2011-02-03 23:14:35    +rintaran    Either way, it's a win. 2011-02-03 23:14:39   ~MikkelPaulson    yeah 2011-02-03 23:14:46   ~MikkelPaulson    and announce big platform points mid-campaign 2011-02-03 23:15:09   ~MikkelPaulson    the NDP candidate got a bit flurry of coverage for announcing his plan to combat gang violence 2 weeks into the campaign 2011-02-03 23:16:19   +rintaran    It's a working tactic. 2011-02-03 23:16:28   ~MikkelPaulson    in Winnipeg North, that is 2011-02-03 23:17:06    +rintaran    PSAs can also work. They're free and if you tie it to something, say a bowl with the candidates night or something, that could work out well. 2011-02-03 23:17:27   ~MikkelPaulson    PSA? 2011-02-03 23:17:35    +rintaran    Public Service Announcements. 2011-02-03 23:17:45   ~MikkelPaulson    ah, I suspected that's what you were on about 2011-02-03 23:18:08   +rintaran    I have local contacts again, but nothing national. 2011-02-03 23:19:16   +rintaran    Those things are better handled on local levels anyways though. 2011-02-03 23:19:21   ~MikkelPaulson    indeed 2011-02-03 23:19:31   ~MikkelPaulson    which is only really useful in the Ottawa area, unfortunately 2011-02-03 23:19:41   ~MikkelPaulson    Mike, would you dad run in Sudbury? 2011-02-03 23:19:58   ~MikkelPaulson    *your 2011-02-03 23:20:04   +Zblewski    Yeah, it would be Sudbury 2011-02-03 23:20:15   +rintaran    Jeff just has to do a quick 15-second and 30-second PSA and he could send it to the stations in Winnipeg. Same for other candidates in other ridings. 2011-02-03 23:20:34   +rintaran    If he ran in Sudbury, I know someone at Northern Life that might be interested in an interview. 2011-02-03 23:20:35   ~MikkelPaulson    7 members there 2011-02-03 23:20:45   ~MikkelPaulson    including the two of you I guess 2011-02-03 23:20:47   +rintaran    Let me see if I still have her contact info. 2011-02-03 23:21:10   ~MikkelPaulson    on what subject? 2011-02-03 23:22:05   +rintaran    On why he's running for the Pirate Party, and what it means. 2011-02-03 23:24:32   +rintaran    Ok, I have two contacts. One with CKLU and one with Northern Life. 2011-02-03 23:25:09   +rintaran    If he runs, it's a starting point for media contacts in Sudbury. 2011-02-03 23:26:50   +rintaran    I also still have connections with a couple of writing groups that he could speak with. If he convinces them, that's a lot of free letters to the editor he could count on. 2011-02-03 23:27:58   +rintaran    Hello? Did everyone just die at their keyboards leaving me all alone? 2011-02-03 23:28:02   +Zblewski    No 2011-02-03 23:28:05    +Zblewski    I'm here 2011-02-03 23:28:20   +Zblewski    Mikkel's dreaming about PPCA ties, though 2011-02-03 23:28:29   +rintaran    Ok... Just seemed weird seeing only me speaking since 23:21 2011-02-03 23:28:51   ~MikkelPaulson    sorry 2011-02-03 23:29:01   ~MikkelPaulson    to be honest election strategy isn't my forte 2011-02-03 23:29:04   +Nuitari    sorry had to take care of the baby 2011-02-03 23:29:25   +Zblewski    I think we can move on. I'll make sure My dad knows 2011-02-03 23:29:31   ~MikkelPaulson    sounds good 2011-02-03 23:29:38   ~MikkelPaulson    well that's all I have on the agenda 2011-02-03 23:29:41   ~MikkelPaulson    anything else to raise? 2011-02-03 23:29:45   ~MikkelPaulson    rintaran, your time in the spotlight 2011-02-03 23:29:49   ~MikkelPaulson    anything you'd like to discuss? 2011-02-03 23:30:20   +rintaran    Were it an hour sooner, I'd bring up the information ministry topic that we were supposed to discuss. 2011-02-03 23:30:38   +rintaran    But at this late hour, I wouldn't put much money on too many thoughts in that area. 2011-02-03 23:30:47   ~MikkelPaulson    yeah, I hope the real full council meetings are a bit more brief 2011-02-03 23:30:55   +rintaran    I would recommend putting an ending time on meetings though. 2011-02-03 23:30:55   ~MikkelPaulson    we've only had one with 5 attendees that I can remember 2011-02-03 23:31:15   +Zblewski    The second one 2011-02-03 23:31:18   +rintaran    Less trips down tangent lane, more focus on the topics. 2011-02-03 23:31:19   +Zblewski    IIRC 2011-02-03 23:31:37   ~MikkelPaulson    I don't know; obviously we want to keep it brief, but the purpose of the Council is to flesh out what needs to be fleshed out 2011-02-03 23:31:50   ~MikkelPaulson    and deal with all of the issues of the past week and of the coming week 2011-02-03 23:32:01   ~MikkelPaulson    sometimes that's been 15 minutes, sometimes considerably longer 2011-02-03 23:32:09   ~MikkelPaulson    but I know it's late for you guys, so let's call it a night 2011-02-03 23:32:26   ~MikkelPaulson    meeting adjourned

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