FC 2011-03-10 transcript

21:02 <~MikkelPaulson> our #1 priority has to be to provide the candidates with the resources they need 21:02 <~MikkelPaulson> so website templates, have them set up Facebook groups, "collateral" 21:02 <+rintaran> I'm in the midst of creating a PPCA CRTC video. Going to be getting a few interviewed constituents on Tuesday. It would be a simple matter to add a canadidate & riding list to                 the end of it once I've completed it. 21:03 <+rintaran> Unfortunately the candidates themselves won't be in the video, but it could be something we                 could build off of for TV spots. 21:04 <+rintaran> Well, snip & fit more like. 21:05 <~MikkelPaulson> that'd work 21:05 <~MikkelPaulson> at this point I'm not expecting miracles for the ad spot, just don't want free exposure to go to waste 21:06 <+rintaran> How long's the spot? 15 sec, 30 sec or 60 sec? 21:06 <~MikkelPaulson> 30 21:06 <~MikkelPaulson> though two snappy 15-second spots back-to-back might work too 21:06 <+rintaran> Alright. I'll do the full-length video and see if I can't boil down a 30 second version. Sans interviews and me on screen talking, it should work out alright. 21:07 <+svulliez> I can do a little animated one too 21:07 <+rintaran> Well, I don't know how snappy I can do, but it's something I can attempt atleast. 21:07 <~MikkelPaulson> please do 21:07 <~MikkelPaulson> whatever you feel fits the message best, anyway 21:07 <~MikkelPaulson> if you're editing down from a longer video, probably 30 is better than 15 21:08 <+rintaran> Likely. We'll see what comes of it. :) 21:08 <~MikkelPaulson> great 21:08 <~MikkelPaulson> keep us posted 21:08 <~MikkelPaulson> I'll see about putting together a Wordpress template for our candidates 21:08 <+Zblewski> Excellent 21:08 <~MikkelPaulson> it's about time I had something at mikkel.ca 21:09 <+Zblewski> I just wish TravisMcCrea were available X| 21:09 <~MikkelPaulson> for? 21:09 <+Zblewski> My Domain 21:09 <+Zblewski> needs to be fixed 21:09 <+Zblewski> anyways 21:10 <~MikkelPaulson> hmm 21:10 <~MikkelPaulson> any other election-related business? 21:10 <+svulliez> I have 2 possible vancouver area candidates for the next election, I'm meeting with one                 today 21:11 <+Nuitari> cool 21:11 <+svulliez> but this one will be too soon for them 21:11 <~MikkelPaulson> well Vancouver Centre and Vancouver Quadra are hot ridings for us 21:12 <~MikkelPaulson> Zblewski: got an ETA on our business cards? 21:12 <+Zblewski> I just need to get the packing materials for it (aka to wrap them up and stamps 21:12 <+Zblewski> So, out within the next week 21:13 <+Nuitari> an ETA on the generic ones? 21:13 <+Nuitari> still waiting on the design 21:13 <+Zblewski> Still working on the design 21:14 <~MikkelPaulson> think you can get that finished up tonight? 21:14 <+Zblewski> I can see 21:16 <~MikkelPaulson> I can give you a hand if you need any help 21:17 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, next up is PPI 21:17 <+Zblewski> I just can't seem to do anything with that crappy back end 21:17 <+Zblewski> Okay 21:17 <~MikkelPaulson> which? 21:17 <~MikkelPaulson> the conference is this weekend 21:18 <+Zblewski> The submission is in, there is a zipped folder with our presentation package, so, we've                 gone a bit further in our application 21:18 <+Zblewski> Mikkel may be presenting a video. 21:18 <~MikkelPaulson> http://int.piratenpartei.de/wiki/images/6/6a/PPI_Conference_2011_-_Agenda.pdf 21:18 <+svulliez> http://i.imgur.com/YwwPK.jpg 21:18 <+svulliez> recolor / test 21:19 <+Nuitari> seems even stronger then the black/white one 21:19 <+Zblewski> Are we not allowed to use our main logo as the primary? 21:19 <+Zblewski> *Ire we not restricted to 21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, it needs the logo 21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> and please stick to the style guide, FreeFont family 21:20 <+svulliez> The style guide needs a reboot IMO 21:20 <+svulliez> it's a good start 21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> anyway, we can discuss designs after the meeting 21:21 <+Zblewski> Now 21:21 <+Zblewski> About the conference 21:21 <~MikkelPaulson> our membership is up for a vote 11-12 Saturday CET 21:21 <+Zblewski> I'm going to fix a version with Canadian times 21:21 <~MikkelPaulson> please do 21:21 <+Zblewski> I also need to ask 21:21 <+Zblewski> How the video feed will be working 21:21 <+Zblewski> How else we will present 21:22 <~MikkelPaulson> I'll send them a prerecorded video clip 21:22 <+Zblewski> if we become a member, how many delegates we will be alloted for all other motions 21:22 <+Zblewski> etc. 21:22 <+Zblewski> So, I'll talk to Samir Allioui 21:22 <~MikkelPaulson> please do 21:22 <+rintaran> Number of delegates is irrelevant, you still only get 1 vote per party. 21:23 <~MikkelPaulson> I know they have 1-hour voting periods to accommodate those who couldn't have delegates in attendance 21:23 <+Zblewski> Last time it was diffeent 21:23 <+Zblewski> maybe\ 21:25 <~MikkelPaulson> there are three voting blocks 21:25 <~MikkelPaulson> we'll be able to participate in 2 and 3 21:25 <~MikkelPaulson> (1 is our membership vote) 21:26 <~MikkelPaulson> block 2 comes in at 11am to noon EST 21:26 <~MikkelPaulson> on Saturday 21:26 <~MikkelPaulson> and block 3 will be 4 am to 5 am EST I believe 21:26 <~MikkelPaulson> sorry 6 am to 7 am 21:26 <~MikkelPaulson> on Sunday 21:27 <+Zblewski> I will propose that I have someone join me online so we can decide together on PPCA's vote 21:27 <+Zblewski> Whoever wishes to do so 21:28 <+rintaran> Unfortunately, I'm tied up in a meeting on the Saturday. But I would be available to                 manage the Sunday block. 21:28 <~MikkelPaulson> I can do Saturday 21:29 <+Zblewski> Okay, how about I register #PPI2011 for the purpose 21:29 <~MikkelPaulson> sure 21:30 <+Zblewski> Anyways 21:30 <~MikkelPaulson> we also have PPI board elections 21:30 <~MikkelPaulson> http://int.piratenpartei.de/PPI_Conference_2011/Board_candidatures 21:31 <~MikkelPaulson> I was discussing it with Thomas Gaul earlier; he asked if we intended to sponsor a                      candidate 21:31 <+Zblewski> I think it would be inappropriate this year 21:31 <~MikkelPaulson> hinting I think that he'd like us to sponsor him for Co-Chairman 21:32 <+Zblewski> I'm sure he'd appreciate that, but are we in the position to do that sort of thing right out of the gate? 21:32 <~MikkelPaulson> I agree 21:32 <+Zblewski> We can certainly choose to vote for him 21:33 <+Zblewski> Amelia Andersdotter just stepped up for the CAO spot 21:33 <+rintaran> Vote for him, no problem there. I don't think you can sponsor until you ARE a member though. 21:33 <+Zblewski> That's surprising 21:34 <~MikkelPaulson> you don't have to sponsor before the meeting 21:35 <~MikkelPaulson> but yeah, I think we should refrain from doing so this year 21:36 <+Nuitari> anything else for ppi ? 21:36 <~MikkelPaulson> I think that's it 21:36 <+svulliez> I think we should try to make a conscious effort towards having meetings with more inclusive discussion. I'd rather just get an e-mail about this stuff 21:36 <+Nuitari> scshunt suggested that we try to get more involved with openmedia.ca 21:36 <+svulliez> We should be using this time effectively to weigh opinions 21:37 <~MikkelPaulson> such as? 21:37 <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: that's a good idea, want to reach out to them Zblewski? 21:38 <~MikkelPaulson> it would be great if we could get a few organizations like that to endorse us 21:38 <~MikkelPaulson> FCC, Stop the Meter 21:38 <+svulliez> They'll never endorse us 21:38 <+Zblewski> Not at this point in the game 21:39 <+svulliez> I've talked to Steve from openmedia, I think they do not want to appear partisan 21:39 <+Zblewski> unless for selected ridings, /maybe/. But doubtful. 21:39 <~MikkelPaulson> fair enough 21:39 <+Zblewski> FCC is another one that is trying to be nonpartisan 21:39 <+svulliez> I'll pass on my e-mail contact with openmedia to you, mike 21:39 <+svulliez> since it's your dept 21:39 <+Zblewski> Sure. 21:40 <+rintaran> LeadNow will endorse candidates (not parties) who claim they'll put forth their key values. But they're just in the gathering stage of that discussion at the moment. 21:40 <~MikkelPaulson> well, any support that we can get is great 21:41 <+rintaran> It's actually part of their mission statement. :) 21:43 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, anything else for the evening? 21:43 <+svulliez> Platform 21:44 <~MikkelPaulson> indeed 21:44 <+svulliez> So I'd really like to get public input into the platform once it's all together 21:44 <+svulliez> I have a few ideas on how to do it 21:45 <+svulliez> The platform and the ideology 21:45 <~MikkelPaulson> well for ideology I think we ARE the input 21:46 <+svulliez> I've been working on it in the pirate pad here and there 21:46 <~MikkelPaulson> we're a value-based party, for the most part we can assume that our members support our                      value 21:46 <~MikkelPaulson> s 21:47 <~MikkelPaulson> ideas? 21:47 <+svulliez> We could just call for public input, make a contact type form for comments on it when it's                  complete 21:47 <+svulliez> perhaps bring it up at a meeting 21:48 <~MikkelPaulson> we don't have a lot of time 21:48 <+svulliez> I am specifically interested to see how people react to extensions of the established values 21:48 <~MikkelPaulson> I agree there 21:48 <+svulliez> for example, charter rights protection, artificial scarcity, education 21:49 <+Zblewski> Education is a provincial matter 21:49 <~MikkelPaulson> but I think we can sufficiently deal with it at the meeting on the 19th 21:49 <+svulliez> We all know education is a provincial matter 21:49 <+svulliez> if one more person tells me education is a provincial matter 21:49 <+svulliez> bullet >>>> head 21:50 <+svulliez> The federal government has set specific precedents as to their powers in education 21:50 <+svulliez> and we're planning on using those, check the pad 21:50 <+svulliez> also the fact that the internet is the best learning tool ever 21:50 <+svulliez> can't be ignored 21:51 <+svulliez> we can at least mention it in our "red book" 21:51 <~MikkelPaulson> for sure 21:51 <~MikkelPaulson> it should be a summary of the picture we have of what Canada should look like 21:52 <~MikkelPaulson> regardless of what parts we have the power to change and what we don't 21:52 <~MikkelPaulson> but not among our goals as an organization 21:52 <+Zblewski> We can at least discuss "working with other levels of government to achieve X, X, and X" 21:53 <+svulliez> I had an interesting idea for the platform 21:53 <+svulliez> given all the hubub about financial fraud and government corruption 21:54 <+svulliez> we could have a point that we're anti-pillaging 21:54 <+svulliez> Just struck me as kind of a funny thing 21:54 <+svulliez> the pirate party is actually anti-pillaging 21:54 <+rintaran> Well, accountability was one of the leading topics at the open forum I attended on Tuesday. It would be a hot-button issue. 21:55 <+svulliez> It's pretty funny that other parties behave like pirates 21:55 <+svulliez> don't know how to use that to our advantage though 21:57 <+Zblewski> yeah 21:57 <+Zblewski> "pillage" isn't a good word to use 21:58 <+Zblewski> regardless of our own name 21:58 <+Zblewski> and any related connotations 21:58 <+svulliez> Alright, voice! 21:58 <~MikkelPaulson> good stuff 21:58 <+Zblewski> (9:58:10 PM) Zblewski: "pillage" isn't a good word to use 21:58 <+Zblewski> (9:58:22 PM) Zblewski: regardless of our own name 21:58 <+Zblewski> (9:58:32 PM) Zblewski: and any related connotations 21:59 <~MikkelPaulson> I agree, that would be pushing us way over the edge into being a joke party 21:59 <+svulliez> I'll say that it's ok if we don't use that, but I strongly object to the idea that public relations could turnus into a "joke party" 22:00 <+svulliez> if the rhino party was silly all the time, but it had a serious platform 22:00 <+svulliez> it wouldn't be a joke party 22:00 <~MikkelPaulson> paving over the rockies was a serious platform? 22:00 <+svulliez> we have ideals and a real platform and we believe that we're talking about 22:00 <+svulliez> MikkelPaulson: "If" 22:01 <+Nuitari> neorhino also planned of separating Quebec to merge it with Cuba to fix the healthcare problem 22:01 <+svulliez> yeah so, comparisons to the rhino party suck and degrade the quality of conversation is my point 22:01 <+svulliez> we are not like and we will never be like the rhino party 22:02 <+svulliez> The Pirate connection is there, I'm of the opinion that we be the one to bring it up first 22:03 <~MikkelPaulson> does anyone really look at the platform of a "silly" party except for a good laugh? 22:03 <+svulliez> I'm not saying we should become explicitly silly 22:03 <+svulliez> But we are not the Rhino party, we are nothing like the Rhino party and we never will be 22:04 <+svulliez> and no matter what we do, we will still be part of something else 22:04 <+svulliez> not the rhino movement 22:04 <+svulliez> Any comparisons to the rhino party while brainstorming is happening is just going to get the discussion off track 22:04 <+svulliez> it's a conservative kneejerk, really 22:05 <~MikkelPaulson> then suffice it to say that I think it's a bad idea 22:05 <+svulliez> to ever bring up the swashbuckling kind of pirates? 22:05 <+svulliez> or to ever be silly? 22:06 <~MikkelPaulson> "never" is a strong word 22:06 <~MikkelPaulson> but both are a bad idea in official communication 22:06 <~MikkelPaulson> nothing wrong with hamming it up a bit at rallies and the like 22:08 <+svulliez> I agree that in general we should be serious in official communication 22:10 <+svulliez> But yeah, enough of this tangent 22:10 <+svulliez> rhino party comparisons are unnecessary and not helpful 22:11 <+svulliez> Can I ask you guys to help finish up this Platform? 22:11 <~MikkelPaulson> sure 22:11 <+svulliez> We need to rewrite the first section, and add a lot to the third section 22:12 <+rintaran> Only the third section is being released on the 19th. 22:12 <~MikkelPaulson> I thought the entire point of the exercise was to introduce the first section 22:13 <~MikkelPaulson> the third is basically a rewrite of https://www.pirateparty.ca/about 22:14 <+svulliez> I mean rewrite the first as in clean it up 22:14 <+svulliez> and the third is like the about, except more extensive 22:14 <+svulliez> I'm not clear on the release schedule 22:14 <+svulliez> We ought to figure out a way to really all get on the same page 22:14 <+svulliez> this meetings are good,and the pirate pad is good 22:15 <+svulliez> but it would be awesome to get a central hub so we can read eachother's briefs 22:15 <~MikkelPaulson> well I've been operating under the assumption that the first section will be discussed and voted on on the 19th, the second will be introduced come election time, and the third can be silently posted as a simple rewrite 22:16 <~MikkelPaulson> or just expanding on section #1 22:16 <+rintaran> That's not what we agreed last meeting. 22:16 <~MikkelPaulson> I must have misunderstood 22:18 <~MikkelPaulson> rintaran: please refresh my memory, then 22:18 <+rintaran> From the logs, Part 3 is for the 19th vote. Part 1 is for the drop of writ. And the term- specific stuff is for the mid-campaign revelation. 22:19 <+rintaran> (was digging it up to make sure I had it right) 22:19 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, thank you 22:19 <+rintaran> It seems the transcripts and minutes from last meeting never made it to the Wiki. 22:20 <+svulliez> psema4 didn't make it IIRC 22:20 <~MikkelPaulson> I emailed him a copy of the transcript 22:20 <~MikkelPaulson> should've posted a draft myself though 22:21 <+rintaran> I have it open, so I'll get a copy of last week's up after tonight's meeting. 22:21 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, thank you 22:21 <+svulliez> Would you guys object if I made a current events pad, or if we edited the priorities pad to                 be a current events one? 22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> go ahead and start a new pad 22:22 <+svulliez> I think it could be really useful if all of us were posting what we were doing and our To-do lists 22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> I'd still like to refer to the priorities 22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> oh I see what you mean 22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> no, you're welcome to do it in the priorities pad then 22:23 <~MikkelPaulson> probably best to keep it together 22:23 <~MikkelPaulson> good idea 22:26 <~MikkelPaulson> http://pr.piratepad.ca/54 22:28 <+svulliez> Sort of irrelevant, but have any of you guys heard of "the cornucopia machine" 22:28 <+svulliez> ? 22:29 <+rintaran> Nope. 22:29 <+svulliez> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_assembler 22:29 <+svulliez> It's a key transhumanist concept. 22:29 <+svulliez> It's also, if you believe it could exist someday, one of the more compelling reasons to fight the copyfight now 22:30 <~MikkelPaulson> is there any other business to raise at the meeting? 22:30 <+svulliez> it's just brain candy to me, I don't mean to derail 22:31 <+rintaran> Only if you want me to talk about what I learned at LeadNow's open forum on Tuesday. 22:32 <+rintaran> But I think I covered that in my blog post pretty well. 22:32 <~MikkelPaulson> oh yes, please do 22:32 <+rintaran> Well on Tuesday, LeadNow ran an event in Ottawa at Umi Cafe. 22:32 <+rintaran> There were somewhere between 20-25 people in attendance. 22:33 <+rintaran> One was a candidate for the Green Party, another worked for the Green Party, and another worked for the Liberal Party. 22:33 <+rintaran> Other than that, most were "unaligned" officially. 22:33 <+rintaran> We broke up into two groups to make it more manageable and tackles a couple of basic questions about what is important to us. 22:34 <+rintaran> Some of the answers were to be expected (ie Environmental action, Crime & Punishment/                 Rehabilitation) 22:34 <+rintaran> But some were a little less expected to be as common as they were. 22:35 <+rintaran> The establishment of a real Canadian Foreign Policy, with a focus increasing Canada's role as a                 world player, was one of the big ones. 22:35 <+rintaran> A second one was "fact-based" policies and a third belonged to unmuzzling public servants. 22:36 <+rintaran> I think these are areas where our party actually shines when you look at it. 22:37 <+svulliez> I agreee 22:37 <+rintaran> If we could try to direct a part of our message this election to these types of concerns, it                  could be beneficial for us. 22:38 <~MikkelPaulson> that's a good point 22:38 <+rintaran> Some of those attending don't vote (or spoil ballots) because none of the parties talks to these issues. 22:38 <+rintaran> It would be nice to gather them up. 22:38 <~MikkelPaulson> well, introducing whistleblower legislation into our platform would be a great move in that direction 22:39 <~MikkelPaulson> what are your thoughts regarding our applicability to foreign policy, then? 22:40 <+Zblewski> Maybe so. 22:40 <+Nuitari> I don't think foreign policy is going to be a major point of this election 22:41 <+Zblewski> It won't 22:41 <+Nuitari> we could go with something vague like "restoring Canada's prestige" 22:41 <+rintaran> Well, reduction in Patent laws can do a lot to increase our export levels, but focusing on                 establishing additional connections in foreign countries, ie through cooperation with PPI, through establishing additional hard-line underwater internet lines to Europe & Asia outside of the US, that could be a benefit. 22:41 <~MikkelPaulson> personally, I prefer no platform to a vague one 22:41 <~MikkelPaulson> sorry, no platform point 22:41 <+rintaran> Foreign Policy hasn't been a major point of a Canadian election other than the Afganistan issue, and even then it was a minor issue that election. 22:43 <~MikkelPaulson> we can certainly play up the others, anyway 22:44 <~MikkelPaulson> I'm not sure that I agree with your conclusions about patents 22:45 <+rintaran> The gov't just did it for medical aid. It doesn't just have to be for aid. 22:45 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, I was gratified to see that 22:45 <~MikkelPaulson> well strictly speaking the opposition parties pushed it through 22:45 <~MikkelPaulson> the Tories fought hard against it 22:45 <~MikkelPaulson> anything for a quick buck 22:45 <+rintaran> True, but you understand the point. 22:46 <~MikkelPaulson> I do 22:46 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, well that's definitely something to bear in mind for the platform 22:47 <+rintaran> They waived patents to be able to send generic drugs for aid. By reducing the term of patents, that could create a larger and more diverse manufacturing base, and possibly lead to an increase in exports. More exports = more business partnerships with foreign countries. 22:47 <~MikkelPaulson> however, other developed nations may choose to respond by banning import of goods patented in their own countries 22:48 <+rintaran> Possibly. Lots of ifs here. 22:48 <~MikkelPaulson> indeed 22:48 <+svulliez> Canada has quite of bit of natural resources, I think we have more pull than you might think 22:48 <~MikkelPaulson> well those aren't subject to patent (yet) 22:49 <~MikkelPaulson> so it shouldn't have a significant effect there 22:49 <+svulliez> I mean sanctions against us won't kill our people 22:49 <+rintaran> Anyhow, post the main event on Tuesday. The Green, Liberal and I had to "sell" our parties to                 one of the unaligned. That person then critiqued our pitches. 22:49 <+Nuitari> what was the critique about? 22:49 <~MikkelPaulson> I don't think talking about isolationist economic policy is politically wise 22:49 <+rintaran> Basically, he said that the technical bit was a little over his head (which is why I'm not a                 candidate), but he loved that a good chunk of the PPCA's purpose is to listen directly to the constituents. 22:50 <+rintaran> So we're going with the right approach on that front. 22:50 <~MikkelPaulson> in my own campaign I'm planning to play up the "I'm the only candidate who can actually                      respond to what you tell me" point 22:51 <+rintaran>. /end report 22:51 <~MikkelPaulson> good stuff 22:51 <~MikkelPaulson> thanks 22:51 <~MikkelPaulson> shall we call it a night, then? 22:51 <+rintaran> If you want to read deeper, I covered it on my site: http://www.shawngray.ca 22:52 <+Zblewski> I have nothing to add. 22:52 <+Nuitari> rintaran: everyone has to learn how to be a candidate 22:52 <+Zblewski> Rintaran 22:52 <+Zblewski> that reminds me 22:52 <+Nuitari> critique is good as we can all learn from it 22:52 <+Zblewski> I've unearthed that campaign book 22:53 <+Zblewski> I've got it at the door for Saturday 22:53 <+rintaran> Nuitari: Very true. I get better at it every time I get the chance to talk shop. 22:53 <+rintaran> Zblewski: Excellent. 22:54 <+rintaran> Mikkel: Sounds like we're more-or-less done to me. 22:54 <~MikkelPaulson> okay then 22:54 <+rintaran> svulliez: I don't want to leave you out in this list of names, so here you are. :P 22:54 <~MikkelPaulson> meeting adjourned