GM 2011-02-19 transcript



20:17 -Stenobot:#canada- ================== THIS MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER =================== 20:17 <@MikkelPaulson> okay then 20:17 <@MikkelPaulson> thanks for coming 20:17 <@MikkelPaulson> please note that you won't be able to speak or vote unless you've logged in 20:18 <@MikkelPaulson> so https://meetings.pirateparty.ca/login.php 20:18 <@MikkelPaulson> but few as we are, we'll have to roll with it for now 20:18 <@MikkelPaulson> what, all of three people logged in right now? 20:18 <@MikkelPaulson> that has to be a new record 20:19 <@MikkelPaulson> anyway, first order of business is the appointment of a new clerk 20:19 <@MikkelPaulson> with Shawn Gray's election to the Federal Council, he has had to step aside from his duties there 20:20 <@MikkelPaulson> the only candidate for the position is psema4 20:20 <@MikkelPaulson> are there any objections to acclaiming him as Clerk? 20:20 <@MikkelPaulson> okay then, it's all yours 20:20 -Stenobot:#canada- New clerk: psema4. 20:21 <@MikkelPaulson> by the way, the agenda can be found here https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=808.0 20:21 <@MikkelPaulson> I don't see Shawn V. here at the moment, so I guess we'll skip ahead to my motion 20:22 -Stenobot:#canada- === MOTION THAT THE PARTY BECOME AN OFFICIAL MEMBER OF PIRATE PARTIES INTERNATIONAL === 20:22 <@MikkelPaulson> the Federal Council has unanimously resolved to put the matter of PPI membership to a vote 20:23 <@MikkelPaulson> some of you might be surprised to find that we're not an official member, but there you have it 20:23 <@MikkelPaulson> I'll allow our Director of International and Interpartisan Relations, Zblewski, and ThomasG of PPDE fill you in on the specifics 20:24 <@Zblewski> Sure thing. 20:24 <@MikkelPaulson> (sorry, any objections to allowing ThomasG to speak?) 20:24 <@MikkelPaulson> okay then 20:24 <+ThomasG> Hello to Canada at first. 20:24 <@Zblewski> Thomas may go first, as it's quite late in his locale 20:24 <@MikkelPaulson> thanks for joining us, Thomas 20:25 <@MikkelPaulson> yeah, it's 2:30 am there 20:25 <+ThomasG> Just to intruduce myself first 20:26 <+ThomasG> I have been elected to be "international Coordinator" for PP Germany some weeks ago and am chairing our international meeting on Wikileaks and the Arab countries atm 20:27 <+ThomasG> I have noticed to vote by the PP-CA council and do hope that PP-CA Genereal assembly will take an active part within PPI 20:28 <+ThomasG> As of today PPI is the only movement as NGO taking part in international affairs on our main principles and 20:28 <+ThomasG> is interchanging information on major topics we do have to take care of 20:29 <+ThomasG> (to put it in very short words) 20:29 <+ThomasG> Thanks for listening. Questions allowed on my side. 20:29 <@Zblewski> Shall I? 20:29 <@MikkelPaulson> go for it 20:30 <@Zblewski> Thanks so much to you, Thomas, for making it out 20:30 <+ThomasG> you are welcome 20:30 <@Zblewski> This week, me and Shawn Gray had the pleasure to talk to members of the board of Pirate Parties International, in addition to Thomas, via teleconference. Joining PPI has been one question we have gotten from quite a few members, seeing our shared goals and heritage, and has been something we have considered. 20:31 <@MikkelPaulson> by the way, minutes http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/FC_2011-02-17_minutes and transcript http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/FC_2011-02-17_transcript from Thursday's Federal Council meeting are available 20:31 <@MikkelPaulson> where we decided to put the question to the membership 20:32 <@Zblewski> However, we had also heard some criticisms, including "europhilia", inactivity/inefficiency, claimed eccentric moves by the board, as well as internal politicization. We conversed with PPI, and I can safely say that PPI has eliminated any doubt in them. They continue to operate as a stable and quite successful NGO. 20:33 <@Zblewski> The first issue of a Europe-based focus has been due to the majority of members being tighter-knit geographically, but with new players such as us, as well as starting parties in locations such as Australia, the US, Kazakhstan, Brazil, a few in South America, and others, the international scope will come into play. 20:33 <@Zblewski> This will mean opening up an opportunity for Canada to host PPI's General Convention in coming years, if the opportunity arises. 20:34 <@Zblewski> The growth of PPI as an organization means that greater exchange of ideas and support can be made, and the strength of the PPI will mean a rigid organization that will serve as a platform for us. PPI has gone on to explain to us the lengths that they have gone to work with NGOs and other groups on the issues. 20:34 <@Zblewski> Most importantly, aside from all this, there are currently no economic concerns, nor any to worry about, as a member. We retain our complete sovereignty over our platform and core values, which has been a primary concern for those wondering about our status with PPI. 20:35 <@Zblewski> So, to conclude, the Federal Council has passed this on to the membership with confidence in the operations of the PPI and our hopeful partnership. 20:35 <@Zblewski> I cede to Mikkel. 20:36 <@MikkelPaulson> thanks Mike 20:36 <@MikkelPaulson> he's done a great job of outlining the pros and cons 20:36 <@MikkelPaulson> I'd just like to add that we've been active internationally before and will continue to be whether or not we join PPI 20:36 <@MikkelPaulson> a great example is our participation in the international Tunisia taskforce 20:37 <@MikkelPaulson> personally, I'm of the opinion that if joining won't be actively detrimental to us, we should do so even if there is no significant immediate benefit 20:37 <+ThomasG> An item I am personally thankful to PP-CA 20:37 <@MikkelPaulson> organizations like PPI will only succeed with the support of their member organizations 20:38 <@MikkelPaulson> so if we and our fellow parties aren't willing to place our trust in PPI, it will never become a trustworthy organization 20:38 <@MikkelPaulson> thanks 20:38 <@MikkelPaulson> any other responses? 20:40 <@MikkelPaulson> psema4: had something to add? 20:41 <+psema4> Thanks Thomas. I've been on the PPI mailing list for some time and have seen a lot to like in working with you. 20:41 <+ThomasG> Thx 20:41 <+psema4> I think there's a lot of benefit in working with our international pirate brethrin, and 20:42 <+psema4> skill development that will hold both PPCA and PPI in good stead. 20:42 <@MikkelPaulson> Zblewski: when's the deadline to join this year? 20:43 <@Zblewski> Before the conference on March... 20:43 <@Zblewski> lemme confirm... 20:43 <@MikkelPaulson> 12-13 20:43 <@Zblewski> Thankee. 20:43 <@Zblewski> But the app should go in ASAP 20:44 <@MikkelPaulson> for sure 20:44 <@Zblewski> so, give the vote its due time 20:44 <@MikkelPaulson> this one will go up for web/phone vote 20:44 <@MikkelPaulson> so we'll have an answer the evening of the 27th 20:44 <@MikkelPaulson> next Sunday 20:46 <@MikkelPaulson> anything else to add? 20:46 <@Zblewski> nothing to add 20:47 <+ThomasG> nope 20:47 <@MikkelPaulson> okay, let's proceed 20:48 <@MikkelPaulson> any other business? 20:48 <@Zblewski> Just an announcement 20:48 <@Zblewski> I guess, a minor one 20:49 <@Zblewski> Seeing that there is an election that may happen very soon 20:50 <@Zblewski> People should probably know that any bit helps. Either an extra donation on top of membership renewals, helping out online, recruiting a candidate for your riding, or supporting one of our current candidates. 20:50 <@Zblewski> We want to be able to speak out. 20:50 <@MikkelPaulson> or running yourself ;) 20:51 <@Zblewski> Exactly ^_^ 20:51 <@Zblewski> So, just keep that in your mind. Thanks. 20:51 <+ayes> I want to move to include whistleblower and journalist protection in our platform 20:52 -Stenobot:#canada- === MOTION TO INCLUDE WHISTLEBLOWER AND JOURNALIST PROTECTION IN THE PARTY'S PLATFORM === 20:54 <+ayes> Whistleblower and journalist protection is very important, and in the light of all this Leak controversy business 20:54 <+ayes> I think we should be on the right side of history 20:54 <+ayes> Just like we were for wikileaks. 20:54 <+ayes> Good journalism is essential to a free society 20:54 <+ayes> If organizations are shrouded in secrecy 20:56 <@MikkelPaulson> sorry, Stenobot seems to be acting up 20:56 <@MikkelPaulson> there we go 20:57 <@Zblewski> I have to ask 20:57 <@MikkelPaulson> I can get behind this 20:58 <@Zblewski> Is this just in terms of creating government legislation to protect journalists? 20:59 <+ayes> Yes, if we had an MP, we would be on the side of protecting journalists, and their sources 20:59 <@MikkelPaulson> my personal reservations about WikiLeaks in general are that ad-hoc leaking is inferior in principle to a comprehensive attitude of transparency 20:59 <@MikkelPaulson> and ideally there would be no need for whistleblower protection because everything would be there to see 20:59 <@MikkelPaulson> but that's not the case, unfortunately 21:00 <+ayes> I agree, but we can't be unrealistic about where we live 21:00 <+ayes> the anonymous dropbox is a patch 21:00 <@MikkelPaulson> and until we reach that point, we should have every support for transparency that we can 21:00 <+ayes> for broken government software 21:00 <@MikkelPaulson> whistleblower protection is a major one, and within our reach 21:00 <@MikkelPaulson> so I support it 21:01 <@MikkelPaulson> I'd just like to note that as the platform is currently before the Federal Council it'll be up to them to decide how to implement it 21:02 <@MikkelPaulson> hearing no other speakers, ayes, did you want to proceed with the web/phone vote or is an IRC vote fine? 21:02 <+ayes> Whatever is easy. I just want to make sure we have some popular support for whistleblower protection 21:03 <+ayes> I'm pretty certain we do 21:03 <@MikkelPaulson> Paul G., please /msg me 21:03 <+ayes> I originally wanted to move this when I wasn't on the council 21:03 <+ayes> I feel pretty strongly about it, and I wanted to make sure that it was included 21:03 <+psema4> Shouldn't matter 21:03 <+psema4> exactly 21:05 <@MikkelPaulson> if anyone else is having trouble log in, please /msg MikkelPaulson 21:05 <@MikkelPaulson> *logging in 21:07 <@MikkelPaulson> okay, let's proceed 21:08 -Stenobot:#canada- === VOTE ON MOTION TO INCLUDE WHISTLEBLOWER AND JOURNALIST PROTECTION IN THE PARTY'S PLATFORM === 21:09 -Stenobot:#canada- === MOTION TO INCLUDE WHISTLEBLOWER AND JOURNALIST PROTECTION IN THE PARTY'S PLATFORM PASSED === 21:09 -Stenobot:#canada- Yes: 1 21:09 -Stenobot:#canada- No: 0 21:09 -Stenobot:#canada- Abs: 0 21:09 -Stenobot:#canada- Votes cast: 1 21:09 -Stenobot:#canada- ============================================================ 21:09 <@MikkelPaulson> okay then 21:10 <@MikkelPaulson> Zblewski: I believe you had a motion? 21:10 <+SteveHenderson> That vote doesn't seem like it worked. 21:10 <@MikkelPaulson> it worked, you were just the only one who voted 21:11 <+SteveHenderson> Hahaha, oh wow 21:11 <+psema4> I was temporarily in the wiki 21:11 <@MikkelPaulson> I can't because I'm chair, and everyone else is apparently asleep 21:12 <@Zblewski> I do have one motion 21:12 <@Zblewski> suggested by another 21:12 <@Zblewski> I propose a motion of mourning and solidarity for those seeking peace and democracy in the Arab World. 21:13 -Stenobot:#canada- === MOTION OF MOURNING AND SOLIDARITY FOR THOSE SEEKING PEACE AND DEMOCRACY IN THE ARAB WORLD === 21:13 <@Zblewski> I think we all know the backstory behind this 21:14 <@Zblewski> It has been an emotional journey for citizens across north Africa and the rest of the Arab World, a special nod to Tunisia and Egypt 21:14 <@Zblewski> And so the struggle there continues, while rebuilding commences in those two nations 21:15 <@Zblewski> and so it is essential to remember those struck down in that struggle, against autocracy and injustice. 21:16 <@Zblewski> Mikkel? 21:17 <+SteveHenderson> Were you thinking a sentimental mourning or organized demonstrations? I ask because nationwide demonstrations organized by the PPCA could be exceptionally great publicity. 21:18 <@Zblewski> Publicity? 21:18 <+psema4> publicity aside, we as a party and as a movement are looking for democracy to work for us too. I support. 21:18 <+realpaul> should get the message of solidarity to the people of Libya and Bahrain who are in a life and death struggle for freedom 21:18 <@MikkelPaulson> not to dissuade you from political activism, but if we have a rally on some subject on a monthly basis, it may lose its effect 21:18 <@Zblewski> If by "sentimental", making it public and sending out communications of support, sure. 21:20 <+SteveHenderson> revolutions spreading everywhere in the Arab world isn't something that happens every month. This is an opportunity for media attention, and one that won't happen again. 21:20 <@MikkelPaulson> revolutions, CRTC, WikiLeaks, C-32, etc. 21:20 <+ayes> There are also big demonstrations in the U.S, too, right? 21:20 <@MikkelPaulson> not that we should sit by and watch passively 21:20 <@MikkelPaulson> but maybe we should be a bit selective in when and how we get involved 21:21 <@Zblewski> I find the idea to start demonstrations as a PPCA event as a bad idea, and, personally, a little shallow to look for publicity out of it. 21:21 <+SteveHenderson> We're a political party. 21:21 <@Zblewski> Not a PR firm. 21:22 <+ayes> Thats silly 21:22 <+SteveHenderson> How will we ever be able to enact change if people don't know we exist? 21:22 <+ayes> We have a PR director to act as a PR firm 21:22 <+ayes> so we are a bit of a PR firm 21:22 <+SteveHenderson> These are key issues to draw attention to PPCA. Call me shallow, but at this point I'm concerned with how we can protect the Internet. Not take the moral high ground. 21:23 <+ayes> I think if publicity is our focus, a CRTC rally is the hot ticket 21:23 <+ayes> I don't want to sound too cynical 21:23 <+psema4> Everyone'll be out on the 26th right? ;) 21:23 <+ayes> but people care about paying extra money 21:24 <@MikkelPaulson> I agree that PR is the focus of a political party 21:24 <@MikkelPaulson> but there are all kinds of ways to get PR 21:24 <@MikkelPaulson> and banging on the same approach (rallies) over and over will get old 21:24 <+SteveHenderson> Indeed. Perhaps we should make a blog post about it instead. 21:24 <@Zblewski> We can do that. 21:25 <@MikkelPaulson> I suspect he was being facetious 21:25 <+SteveHenderson> ^ 21:25 <@MikkelPaulson> I think the best way to draw attention to the issue is to get involved ourselves 21:26 <@MikkelPaulson> which we have been 21:26 <@MikkelPaulson> supporting international Pirate Parties in their own struggles 21:26 <@MikkelPaulson> PPTN, and working in Egypt 21:26 <@MikkelPaulson> (it would've been much easier if there were an Egyptian Pirate Party, but all in good time) 21:26 <%TravisMcCrea> I think the best way to get involved is actually going to the people. More canvassing less rallies 21:27 <@MikkelPaulson> but we should absolutely attend rallies organized by others, to reach out to the public and to other people with similar views 21:27 <+SteveHenderson> Is it impossible to do both? 21:27 <+SteveHenderson> Or at least try? 21:27 <@MikkelPaulson> no 21:27 <@MikkelPaulson> but the more often we hold rallies, the less effective they will be and the fewer people will show up 21:28 <+ayes> I'm not sure about that 21:28 <@Zblewski> Anon and Scientology? 21:28 <@Zblewski> Those rallies died after 4 months. 21:28 <+realpaul> so the concern is "if today is Tuesday, this rally is for (fill in the blank)" sort of thing? 21:29 <@Zblewski> Just putting an example out. 21:29 <+ayes> there is a delicate balance, but regular and frequent rallies can be a good thing 21:29 <+ayes> but middle east solidarity is going to be covered by others, and so is UBB 21:29 <+ayes> we can just promote and attend these rallies 21:30 <%TravisMcCrea> When we actually have the numbers to have impactful rallies then thats one thing 21:30 <@MikkelPaulson> realpaul: yes, essentially 21:30 <%TravisMcCrea> A rally is really only effective if we can make the local news 21:30 <%TravisMcCrea> (a major local news outlet) 21:30 <+ayes> that's not true either 21:30 <+ayes> a rally is effective if you give someone a pamplet that they take seriously 21:31 <%TravisMcCrea> Then we might as well use those people who are turning out to flood houses and people with pamphlets and go to them. 21:31 <@MikkelPaulson> I used to work at the Alberta Legislature 21:31 <@MikkelPaulson> and there was one guy who would show up every day with a sandwich board protesting... something 21:32 <@MikkelPaulson> I can't even remember what it was 21:32 <@MikkelPaulson> just standing there glowering at people 21:32 <@MikkelPaulson> we're not that guy 21:32 <%TravisMcCrea> having 20 people flooding the streets giving every person they see a pamphlet and trying to engage the community is a much better use of our bandwidth 21:32 <+ayes> than a rally? 21:32 <%TravisMcCrea> than a rally thats too small to get any attention yes 21:32 <+psema4> they complement each other, but require balance 21:33 <@MikkelPaulson> anyway, we're getting rather far off topic 21:33 <@MikkelPaulson> this motion is simply one of principle 21:33 <@MikkelPaulson> there is no action implicit in it 21:33 <+SteveHenderson> TravisMcCrea: Rally attendees and organizers are capable of handing out pamphlets. We handed out around 100ish about C-32 in the summer at our first rally. 21:33 <+ayes> yeah, and it's silly to say 21:33 <+ayes> "20 people simply handing out pamplets is better" 21:33 <%TravisMcCrea> How many people attended the vancouver wikileaks rally? 21:33 <+ayes> than a rally with less than 20 people 21:33 <+ayes> 70~ 21:34 <%TravisMcCrea> http://news.google.ca/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Pirate+Party+wikileaks+Vancouver 21:34 <@MikkelPaulson> I got 3 people together today and we handed out about 600 flyers in 2 hours 21:34 <+ayes> We had about 25 the whole time 21:34 <%TravisMcCrea> or even 21:34 <%TravisMcCrea> http://news.google.ca/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Pirate+Party+Vancouver 21:34 <@MikkelPaulson> in terms of manpower, that's a little bit more efficient than a rally 21:34 <%TravisMcCrea> ... I see nothing that covered it 21:34 <+ayes> http://www.google.ca/search?q=source:wikileaks%20Vancouver&hl=en&ned=us&tab=nw#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&q=pirate+party+wikileaks+Vancouver&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=893b3a8465f4678b 21:35 <@MikkelPaulson> let's get back on topic please 21:35 <@MikkelPaulson> the question is do we support this, yes or no 21:35 <+SteveHenderson> bureaucracy~ 21:35 <+realpaul> do we require a second on the motion? 21:36 <+psema4> seconded 21:36 <@MikkelPaulson> not anymore :) 21:36 <+ayes> I support supporting protesters and dissedents of all kinds 21:36 <+ayes> if they believe that they are right 21:36 <@MikkelPaulson> we have provided support for rallies in these countries in the past, rallies at which people have died 21:36 <@MikkelPaulson> no matter how noble the cause, we still bear some responsibility 21:36 <@MikkelPaulson> and we should mourn their passing 21:37 <+ayes> Why bother having an official position 21:37 <@MikkelPaulson> it's not a position 21:37 <@MikkelPaulson> it's a statement 21:37 <+SteveHenderson> And who will hear it? 21:37 <+ayes> this has nothing to do with internet sovereignty, copyright, or privacy 21:37 <+ayes> We should strongly condemn shutting down the internet 21:37 <+psema4> yes 21:37 <+ayes> and if we care about democracy we could mention that 21:38 <+psema4> it is at the core of our party. if not, we wouldn't exist in this form. 21:38 <+ayes> I think we do care about democracy. But getting too international in our politics could be a mistake. 21:38 <@MikkelPaulson> we're already involved 21:39 <+ayes> Like was discussed when I was suggesting we stand up for human rights as a rule 21:39 <@MikkelPaulson> the question is if we acknowledge the price others have paid for our involvement 21:39 <+ayes> No. that's stupid. 21:39 <+ayes> 0 people have died or been hurt because of the pirate party of Canada 21:39 <+ayes> lets be realistic 21:39 <+ayes> we're sitting behind computers on the other side of the world 21:40 <+ayes> I'm not doubting that we provided some help is some way 21:40 <+ayes> but we have no blood on our hands 21:40 <@Zblewski> You're not the one who got asked for the mirror service which would have been "illegal" to access if traced, to which we obliged 21:40 <@MikkelPaulson> no? not even by providing material support for ongoing rallies that may turn violent? 21:41 <%TravisMcCrea> I would even go further to say the impact of Pirate Party Canada in any of the Egyptian or Tusian Rallies was minimal 21:41 <%TravisMcCrea> (at best) 21:41 <@MikkelPaulson> that's correct 21:42 <%TravisMcCrea> not saying we didn't feel good about what we did, but its kinda like changing your status message to raise cancer awareness 21:42 <+ayes> I was going to say, direct Mikkel quote: 21:42 <+ayes> As Craig says, human rights (and human wrongs) are in the eye of the beholder. If the Pirate Party takes sides in Israel vs. Palestine conflict, for instance, it can't end well. 21:42 <%TravisMcCrea> you didn't solve cancer... if cancer gets cured, they are not going to be giving you a nobel prize ;) 21:42 <@MikkelPaulson> TravisMcCrea: a little bit more involved than that 21:42 <+ayes> I fail to see how this is different, and although I support the idea of supporting human rights as a political party, particularly domestic human rights 21:43 <@Zblewski> I'd like to call a vote. This has gone on far enough, going in circles and off-topic 21:43 <+ayes> I do personally have a lot of support for the brave people in the middle east 21:43 <@MikkelPaulson> is there a second? 21:43 <+ayes> a motion of mourning and solidarity? 21:44 <@MikkelPaulson> Zblewski wants to call the vote 21:44 <+psema4> second, though ayes raises some interesting points 21:44 -Stenobot:#canada- === VOTE ON MOTION OF MOURNING AND SOLIDARITY FOR THOSE SEEKING PEACE AND DEMOCRACY IN THE ARAB WORLD === 21:45 -Stenobot:#canada- === MOTION OF MOURNING AND SOLIDARITY FOR THOSE SEEKING PEACE AND DEMOCRACY IN THE ARAB WORLD PASSED === 21:45 -Stenobot:#canada- Yes: 3 21:45 -Stenobot:#canada- No: 0 21:45 -Stenobot:#canada- Abs: 0 21:45 -Stenobot:#canada- Votes cast: 3 21:45 -Stenobot:#canada- ============================================================ 21:45 <@MikkelPaulson> okay then 21:45 <@MikkelPaulson> any other business? 21:46 <+psema4> none here 21:46 <+SteveHenderson>  Should I contact CBC about our motion of mourning and solidarity? 21:46 <+realpaul> nope 21:46 <@MikkelPaulson> no 21:46 <@MikkelPaulson> this is a motion of principle 21:46 <@MikkelPaulson> it has no real effect 21:46 <+SteveHenderson> No shit. 21:46 <@MikkelPaulson> Parliament passes this sort of motion on a regular basis 21:47 <+ayes> I move that we support palestine in mourning and solidarity...? 21:47 <+ayes> I'm just kidding 21:47 <+psema4> poignant tho 21:47 <+shep> When providing support to those oppressed, even if it's just moral support, success is not to be measured in a quantitative fashion. 21:47 <@MikkelPaulson> okay, seeing none, could someone move adjournment please? 21:47 <+shep> It's about being a human being on planet earth. 21:47 <@Zblewski> I move it. 21:47 <@MikkelPaulson> second? 21:47 <+psema4> second 21:47 <+realpaul> second 21:48 -Stenobot:#canada- ======================= MOTION TO ADJOURN ======================== 21:48 -Stenobot:#canada- ==================== VOTE ON MOTION TO ADJOURN ===================== 21:48 -Stenobot:#canada- ==================== MOTION TO ADJOURN PASSED ===================== 21:48 -Stenobot:#canada- Yes: 1 21:48 -Stenobot:#canada- No: 0 21:48 -Stenobot:#canada- Abs: 0 21:48 -Stenobot:#canada- Votes cast: 1 21:48 -Stenobot:#canada- ============================================================ 21:48 -Stenobot:#canada- ======================= MEETING ADJOURNED ========================

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