GM 2014-01-21 transcript

  anyone wants to get voice now  ? sure!  I'm new to this. Is this a VoIP thing?  no  please pm your e-mail to me TraderEddy: it just means you have confirmed your membership so you can talk during the meeting  just post /msg here? no, send a private message to RLim with the e-mail associated with your membership  yes, I did that.  Ok. We're good. Hi guys. hey hey  hello >Monthly< GM is supposed to start now. >#canada< Monthly GM is supposed to start now.  needs 6 more :P I still haven't gotten through the past meeting minutes back-log.  Are all of them on wiki? No. They *should* be. I think we have been lacking proper attendance, so I have been think of typing up even the informal meetings. ...Just in case *that* is why nobody shows up. yeah, it wouldn't hurt but more work for you :/ so may 2014 is the last month we have minutes for? I could just copy the raw logs without much trouble. (mine lack time-stamps though)  Well, at the very least we can add this as our to-do list. From there, we can begin to tackle this project. yeah, the raw transcripts are better than nothing  good evening In unrelated news, the government removed "technology" as a job category on the job-bank.  CraigNobbs: Welcome  good evening CraigNobbs ! <CraigNobbs> what's the current count for quorum? 5 4 : ( <CraigNobbs> 5 including me? I did a speculative +1 yes <CraigNobbs> and we need 10 for quorum now, right? correct yes, not 50. We decided to reduce the number :P <CraigNobbs> are we waiting until 5:30 or 6:00 before we decide to call it if we don't make quorum? <CraigNobbs> not that I want that what time zone? <CraigNobbs> PST <RLim> CraigNobbs: please pm me with your e-mail <CraigNobbs> right, so 8:30 or 9:00 est yeah, I would say 9 but thats just me <RLim> considering how slow people join sometimes I'd say 9 <CraigNobbs> ok I wouldn't mind just having an informal meeting if we don't reach quorum it makes it so its not a complete waste of our time for those who showed up <RLim> so. Leader is not automatically the top vote getter at PC? <RLim> https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=Constitution_2012-06-20#IV.1_Election <CraigNobbs> How many people have put their names up for election? <TraderEddy> For political council, it seems like 6. <TraderEddy> Is the official course of action, now, however, to wait an additional hour? more like a half hour see if more people roll in often you get people coming in late meetings almost never start right at 8 in my experience <CraigNobbs> I can confirm that. I've never been part of a meeting that started on time. <RLim> should we post something on social media? I posted on facebook a few hours ago Excpet then people expect it to not start on time. as well as posting on monday and I postd on reddit The problem with facebook is that when we post messages like that we never get much reach <RLim> yeah FB does not translate to Canadian supporters yeah, but is that not the same for other social media? <RLim> when was our last election? canadian federal election? <CraigNobbs> 2011... he says hesitantly <RLim> nvm it was January. So this batch was not a mid term election oh you are talking about political council? <RLim> yeah is there a meeting right now <RLim> because if it is July we don't need an election right now I mean, tonight yes <RLim> psema4: <RLim> hi rapscallion hello RLim <RLim> pm me your e-mail to get voice <CraigNobbs> Hello World. <RLim> for the meeting is there a membership requirement <CraigNobbs> yes. <RLim> rapscallion: yes then I'll just watch if that's alright https://my.pirateparty.ca/node/148 2014 Political Council Election Results Submitted by Secretary on Sun, 01/26/2014 - 00:32 so almost exactly one year ago. rapscallion, yes, that is all-right. It is looking like another "informal" meeting anyway. <RLim> ping MononcQc BrokenSyntax thor <RLim> have not heard from Bob <RLim> no reply on the candidate forum page When is the voting actually happening? is there a set date? Does anybody want to be a CRTC representative for the party (with respect to elections)? what does that entail? <RLim> is that the broadcast adjucator <RLim> ? <RLim> pretty much nod head <RLim> from what I heard <RLim> *adjudicator <RLim> they'll just tell you what time allotment for tv ad each party gets they call it a consultation. umm, so I don't have to do anything? I can do that. <RLim> you can try to convince them to give us more time <RLim> :) <RLim> did we actually use all our time last time <RLim> ? sure do we even have an ad to run? <RLim> so if we don't get quorum today should we reschedule for next week <RLim> ? <RLim> Since techically we won't have official meeting to do the election <TraderEddy> I would be satisfied with a rescheduling. <TraderEddy> mordecai: in regards to the ads, we'll make sure to have one this year. <RLim> An election shall also occur at the regular general meeting in January unless an election was held during or after July of the previous year, or is scheduled to be held before the end of that year. <RLim> there is already a provision for PC to call an election with 2/3 votes or GM with 2/3 votes <RLim> TraderEddy: we will have several <RLim> video ads okay, well let me know if you want me to do that <RLim> phillipsjk: is that by phone? <RLim> or physical attendance > <RLim> ? yeah, physical attendance could be a problem for me... I have no idea. The e-mail provides contact information for questions. It may be by e-mail for all I know. OH they are going to be discussing Robo-calls as well. what was on the agenda for this meeting anyways? <TraderEddy> mordecai: My understanding was that it would be primarily for the PC election. <RLim> nothing significant happened at PPCA I thought we did that by e-mail? at least, that's how I remember it last year <RLim> constitution says "shall occur at the regular general meeting in January" so not sure we could start it without a quorum <MononcQc> sorry I'm away today. health issues in the family, we're at a hospitl out of region. https://my.pirateparty.ca/forum/119 last minute nominations would happen too. <RLim> MononcQc: sorry to hear that. Take care of family first <RLim> yeah phillipsjk that's why I don't think we can formally start the voting until that is done <RLim> because no nomination at GM have been held yet I see that makes sense so we should definitely have another crack at it next week <RLim> yeah would it sound like begging if I sent out an e-mail rescheduling it to next week and ask people to show up even for just a few minutes? :P <RLim> I wanted to start the policies vote at the same time also <RLim> after announcing its official start at a GM <TraderEddy> RLim: I was under the impression that voting on policies would occur within PC meetings. at the end of the day, the GM has to accept So push, vote, and them push for quorum next month? <RLim> see how you interpret this <RLim> https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=Constitution_2012-06-20#IV.1_Election <RLim> we've talked about moving to an offline GM <RLim> would no quorum constitute regular GM Note: updateting that with the new quorum is on my to-do list. <RLim> but I like psema and phillipsjk idea I dunno, it's not exactly hard to show up for an hour each month lol - i remember when it was opposite... meetings would drag on for 5+ hours <CraigNobbs> I also remember those days <RLim> good old days <RLim> we need to respark that. We got killed by the prolong down time well yeah, but even if people showed up for an hour it would be better than nothing <RLim> hopefully releasing the policies would help get people involved again https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=Constitution_2012-06-20#VII.2_Elections_Generally is the correct link <CraigNobbs> ... Why, when I was your age, I used to walk up hill, both ways, to school, through blizzards and 15 feet of snow! I we liked it too! :) http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/21/pirate-party-online-voting-4chan-government <RLim> oo we are into when I was your age talks <RLim> lol I think if the Political Council approves it 2/3 vote), we can have the election. <RLim> LOL <RLim> yeah <RLim> I missed that last part <RLim> so it shall be done <RLim> if we can get 2/3 of the PC <RLim> they are usually good <RLim> Bob can usually be rung up <RLim> I back tabulating electronically as long as it is validated with hand counts after <RLim> just as a means of auditing it <RLim> at least if everything is good it should not make a difference <CraigNobbs> I agree re: voting - apologies the code isn't up yet; things are almost back to normal at work - i'll make it priority this weekend and get it up on github. <RLim> if there is a bug the victory speech might have to be recalled <RLim> lol <RLim> psema4: it is supposed to start tonight :) :/ <RLim> but we could whip up the old code if needed <RLim> lol 4chan <RLim> it could have been worse <RLim> that gamergate harrassers <RLim> the evil incarnate of 4chan <RLim> psema4: I like that article <RLim> I'll tweet it <RLim> “If you have a vote over the internet, the government is unable to make sure you don’t have an abusive spouse behind you telling you how to vote, or an employer behind you telling you how to vote,” <RLim> exactly <CraigNobbs> Hey... What's wrong with holding a gun to my employees and wifes head and forcing them to vote my way!?   /S bummer <TraderEddy> Computerphile, the youtube channel, released a great video about 'Why Electronic Voting is a BAD idea" Well, it's been more than an hour. I think we should call it. <TraderEddy> phillipsjk: Can we hold an informal meeting in its place? That is what we are doing. <TraderEddy> Oh. <RLim> OKAY <RLim> oops caps lock hahaha, I thought you were just really enthusiastic <RLim> but here's the financial update <RLim> https://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php?title=Financial_Status <RLim> if only we have that kind of graph every month <RLim> for cash in and out <RLim> for January on I am going to try using gnucash <RLim> as long as I can offer it in csv whoa wow :) <RLim> for people to manipulate the data if they would want to is that the donations for December alone??? <RLim> last minute push with the policies e-mail <RLim> see hwo people react if something is happening and nobody showed? <CraigNobbs> It's sad to see no new membership sign-ups. <RLim> not that a lot of people racted <RLim> but there's been a few e-mail opf support after <RLim> psema4: lol <RLim> I think there's another big donation but did not settle until January was that a few big donations or many small donations? <RLim> oh yeah another $400 is in Paypal <RLim> few big <RLim> If you click on Libreoffice (ODS) or PDF it should have the details <RLim> phillipsjk: so I guess the game plan will be to convene the current PC to get 2/3 vote to start the election <RLim> computerphile? RLim: ^ <+TraderEddy> Computerphile, the youtube channel, released a great video about 'Why Electronic Voting is a BAD idea" <TraderEddy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI TraderEddy: are you on twitter? <TraderEddy> YEs, <TraderEddy> but not active k - throw me your handle and I'll follow (same goes for anyone I'm not already following ;-) <RLim> nice video <RLim> James Wilson is having internet problem <RLim> hopefully not for long <RLim> yeah I should add tabulating to our electoral integrity policy <RLim> no electronic voting Actually, I can't. It it locked in a warehouse somewhere. <RLim> lol <RLim> yeah what do we do with that? <RLim> no e-voting! <RLim> but.... there are some notable differences between evoting for state governance and how we use it. We as a practical matter, it is cheaper than getting everyone in one room. If we really want to do things properly we could have meetings in several cities. That may be a problem for rural voters though. <CraigNobbs> well... I'm going to log out. I'll see you guys next week <TraderEddy> Are there any objections to me leaving the meeting for the night? <TraderEddy> CraigNobbs: you beat to it! By milliseconds! nice freudian slip take care guys <CraigNobbs> later my PPCA peeps! XD night all <TraderEddy> rapscallion: You win this time. <TraderEddy> Night.
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