FC 2011-11-17 Transcript

21:00:34 Shawn Gray: Here'ye here'ye. It is now 9:00pm. :P 21:07:54 Shawn Gray: So... Any FC members here? 21:15:45 Shawn Gray: Another less than quorum. 21:18:04 MikkelPaulson: I am 21:18:21 MikkelPaulson: well my email seems to have worn off fast 21:19:06 Shawn Gray: Do we have any actualy letters or people looking fight it? 21:19:19 Shawn Gray: Without any evidence, we can't even begin to move forward in that way. 21:19:29 MikkelPaulson: not that I know of 21:19:38 MikkelPaulson: but we can pursue it 21:20:01 MikkelPaulson: ie. "Please contact us if you received a Hurt Locker letter. RT please." 21:20:24 Shawn Gray: Sounds like a good plan. What kind of costs are we looking at in terms of a lawyer? 21:21:30 MikkelPaulson: quite a lot 21:21:59 MikkelPaulson: but we'd want to start with getting a legal advice as to whether or not it's even possible 21:22:04 MikkelPaulson: or if we'd get laughed out of court 21:22:15 MikkelPaulson: which I would guess would be in the $1-2k range 21:23:02 Shawn Gray: Well, I did receive confirmation from Stephane that my transfer made it into the accounts. Could provide a $1k seed for a consult... 21:23:45 MikkelPaulson: once the case is in motion, we would certainly benefit financially from the increased profile 21:23:51 Shawn Gray: That kind of a budgetary matter I would think should involve approval of the whole council, and we should have at least a couple of actual letters gathered. 21:23:56 MikkelPaulson: whether it would be enough to offset the legal costs is another question 21:24:07 MikkelPaulson: think that's the place to start? 21:24:43 Shawn Gray: Find people who have received the letters. Then engage in a consult, as the letters will be required to consider anything. 21:25:06 Shawn Gray: Without any letters, we have 0 proof of anything. 21:28:37 Shawn Gray: Now, I have 3 people here in Ottawa that would like to purchase flags. Do we have any in stock, and what would they run? 21:30:15 MikkelPaulson: I don't think we have any left 21:30:39 MikkelPaulson: I believe they cost us about $30 each for the order 21:30:57 MikkelPaulson: we were including them with donations > $100 21:31:15 MikkelPaulson: is David one of them? 21:31:41 Shawn Gray: Yes, David has been very eager to get things moving, but he still isn't listed as a candidate and doesn't have a PPCA e-mail. 21:31:59 Shawn Gray: He has a flag pole in front of his house and would like to replace the jolly roger. 21:32:32 MikkelPaulson: I think the type of flag we purchased was recommended for indoor use only 21:33:27 Shawn Gray: It's because of the shortened lifespan for outdoor use. 21:33:33 MikkelPaulson: yes 21:33:38 Shawn Gray: They don't hold up under negative weather conditions. 21:33:58 MikkelPaulson: so maybe we should order a different type 21:34:17 Shawn Gray: Perhaps. A little smaller wouldn't be too bad too. 21:34:21 MikkelPaulson: (David called my this afternoon) 21:34:24 MikkelPaulson: *me 21:34:24 Shawn Gray: These ones are... quite large. 21:34:29 MikkelPaulson: yes, agreed 21:34:53 Shawn Gray: He did? Good to see him taking initiative. But that's never been a problem with him. :) 21:35:15 MikkelPaulson: maybe 20 4'x2' indoor flags and 5 6'x3' outdoor? 21:35:32 Shawn Gray: We got hit with a group of students studying politics during our meeting on Tuesday whom we educated for about 15-20 minutes. 21:35:49 MikkelPaulson: yeah, he was telling me about that 21:35:57 MikkelPaulson: and then you got that journalism student last week 21:36:05 Shawn Gray: Sounds like a good starting order to me. Any idea as to the prices? 21:36:21 Shawn Gray: Had another one this week as well, from York. 21:36:35 MikkelPaulson: great impression to leave then :) 21:37:02 MikkelPaulson: can't remember our supplier, but if memory serves it would be about $20 for the small and $45 for the large 21:37:20 MikkelPaulson: so ~$650 all told 21:37:51 Shawn Gray: Should be well within our means to obtain, and we're certain to make the money back on them swiftly. 21:38:39 MikkelPaulson: yeah 21:38:51 MikkelPaulson: I know David is looking for business cards as well 21:39:05 MikkelPaulson: I'd like to take a look at the design first though 21:39:07 Shawn Gray: Yeah, I told him that would have to wait until after our internal elections. 21:39:13 MikkelPaulson: and that 21:39:23 Shawn Gray: That way we can go in and get the whole run done up at once. 21:39:32 MikkelPaulson: I was thinking that we could do something like the design of vote.pirateparty.ca, with the watermarked logo 21:39:35 Shawn Gray: He understood, but wasn't overly happy with it. 21:39:54 MikkelPaulson: I can imagine 21:40:29 Shawn Gray: All I see is the basic banner and a login section. Not sure what you're referring to. 21:41:15 Shawn Gray: I dunno though, I've handed out a lot of my cards and I always get comments back about the design. 21:41:43 Shawn Gray: Which reminds me, I need to restock my wallet.... 21:41:55 MikkelPaulson: I think we should replace the logo on the back with a QRcode 21:42:14 Shawn Gray: That would be pretty good. 21:42:31 Shawn Gray: Also, I would recommend removing the city. 21:42:43 Shawn Gray: That way if someone relocates, the cards aren't rubbish. 21:43:11 MikkelPaulson: we learned that one the hard way 21:43:18 MikkelPaulson: agreed 21:43:47 MikkelPaulson: I've got a good 400 cards left 21:44:18 Shawn Gray: Maybe 250 here. I lost about 20 to a rain storm, but the rest were all distributed. 21:44:22 Shawn Gray: Wish I had more on me Tuesday night. 21:45:03 MikkelPaulson: I'll bet 21:45:05 Shawn Gray: The red bleeds quite a bit if they get even a little bit damp, just FYI. 21:45:20 MikkelPaulson: good to know 21:45:25 MikkelPaulson: otherwise the quality is pretty solid 21:45:44 Shawn Gray: Definitely. Great job. I heard pricing wasn't much of an issue either. 21:47:42 Shawn Gray: Speaking of revenue, will the new Political Council have the ability to look over this past year's transaction patterns in order to be able to set forth a budget for the following year? 21:48:36 Shawn Gray: I think not having a regular accounting and a proper budget has hampered our abilities this past year significantly. 21:49:29 MikkelPaulson: will it have the ability? 21:49:34 MikkelPaulson: not sure 21:49:36 MikkelPaulson: scshunt? 21:49:47 MikkelPaulson: I agree that we do need to table a budget for 2012 21:49:56 MikkelPaulson: I wanted to this year, but it never happened 21:50:05 MikkelPaulson: now we should have a better idea about our financial situation 21:50:39 Shawn Gray: Well, it may be more of an Executive Council matter, but either way, will there be a report prepared in time for the conversion? 21:51:24 MikkelPaulson: the information will continue to be available afterwards 21:51:40 MikkelPaulson: I don't see that it needs to be done beforehand… 21:53:15 Shawn Gray: Need, probably not. It would be good to get them in place with something ready so they don't wait throught the first week/month/whatever waiting to get access to the information. 21:53:48 MikkelPaulson: I agree 21:53:59 Shawn Gray: I know for myself, waiting on access to information has always been one of my greatest frustrations. 21:54:00 MikkelPaulson: but I don't think it's a top priority 21:54:22 Shawn Gray: True. Top priority is getting out that vote e-mail... What happened? 21:56:21 MikkelPaulson: no response from the translators 21:56:27 MikkelPaulson: surprise surprise 21:56:44 MikkelPaulson: I'm going to see if I can recruit a few coworkers into the team 21:56:52 Shawn Gray: How long ago did you write it & send it? Two weeks? 21:57:14 MikkelPaulson: a few days 21:57:30 Shawn Gray: Only a few days ago? 21:58:06 MikkelPaulson: yes 21:58:19 Shawn Gray: Ah. I seem to remember you saying you had a big project you needed to finish first. I remember now. 21:58:38 Shawn Gray: Typically things have gone to them and been lost in transit haven't they? 21:58:39 MikkelPaulson: yeah, happily that's behind me now and I'm working more normal hours 21:58:51 Shawn Gray: Good to hear. 21:59:16 MikkelPaulson: still playing catch-up a bit at home, but I'll be able to devote myself more to the party now as well 21:59:20 MikkelPaulson: translators@ is a black hole 22:00:33 Shawn Gray: kk.. I'll speak with James about getting some translators in the future. But for now, we may just want to put it out in English and apologize in French. 22:01:15 Shawn Gray: Also, for the sake of these minutes, scshunt confirmed that budgets would be the Executive Board's decision via #canada 22:02:40 MikkelPaulson: is a bad translation (ie. one done by me) better than none at all? 22:03:03 Shawn Gray: From what I've heard, no translation is better than a bad translation. 22:04:23 MikkelPaulson: maybe Jack can help to beef up the translation team as well 22:04:46 Shawn Gray: Jack? 22:04:49 MikkelPaulson: I wonder how his recruitment for PPQC is coming 22:04:52 MikkelPaulson: CloudQc 22:05:05 Shawn Gray: Ah. I don't think I've had the pleasure of meeting him yet. 22:05:24 Shawn Gray: Do they or the BCPP have basic sites up yet? 22:06:48 MikkelPaulson: piratepartyqc.ca 22:07:06 MikkelPaulson: erm 22:07:18 MikkelPaulson: pirateqc.ca 22:09:51 Shawn Gray: It's a start, now to babblefish a translation so I can get the gist of their ideas. :) 22:10:12 MikkelPaulson: ha 22:10:14 Shawn Gray: I can do that at work tmw. 22:10:49 MikkelPaulson: I haven't read their manifesto 22:10:52 Shawn Gray: Most of my office will be empty, so I'll finally have the chance to type up my minutes from the Ottawa meeting this past tuesday. 22:11:11 MikkelPaulson: I think he needs to work on his salesmanship though 22:11:28 MikkelPaulson: the header says "current interest in forming a party: weak" 22:11:59 Shawn Gray: Yikes. 22:12:52 Shawn Gray: Oh, the bylaws link no longer works. It now jumps to a pirate pad page on selecting candidates to run for MP. 22:12:58 Shawn Gray: Any idea what happened? 22:13:38 Shawn Gray: https://pirateparty.ca/bylaws <-- used to be the link to the "final" draft 22:13:45 MikkelPaulson: crm. 22:14:30 Shawn Gray: Ah. That's what I was doing wrong... I'll have to check my recent e-mail to see if I got it right. 22:15:04 MikkelPaulson: but I can change the link from pirateparty.ca as well 22:15:18 Shawn Gray: That would probably be wise. 22:16:10 Shawn Gray: Shit, I feel like I've been grilling you this whole time Mikkel. Don't mean to, just needed some info and have insane levels of curiousity these days. 22:16:16 Shawn Gray: Got any Qs for me? 22:16:33 MikkelPaulson: that's the point of these meetings is it not? 22:16:45 Shawn Gray: A part of it I believe. 22:16:56 Shawn Gray: Just don't want you feeling like I'm attacking you with questions. :P 22:17:14 MikkelPaulson: nope, I feel like I've been a bit unresponsive tonight 22:17:15 MikkelPaulson: sorry about that 22:17:32 MikkelPaulson: well, just: aside from David's requests, is there anything Ottawa needs in the immediate? 22:18:32 Shawn Gray: Aside from getting him setup as a proper candidate? Nothing in particular. I'll be taking care of our flyer problem this weekend. 22:18:51 Shawn Gray: Finally have my hands on a proper computer, so I can put something together. 22:19:02 MikkelPaulson: good to hear 22:19:04 Shawn Gray: Then it's just a matter of getting it approved and finding a way to get a batch printed. 22:19:27 Shawn Gray: It's only a temporary loan. Don't know when I'll finally get my machine replaced. 22:19:51 MikkelPaulson: we should set up some sort of public repo where people can upload promo material 22:19:59 Shawn Gray: I could use a copy of the WordPress template we used for candidates during the election. 22:20:23 Shawn Gray: You've probably sent it to me before, but it would be on my old tower that went boom. 22:20:39 MikkelPaulson: okay, I'll grab that tonight- 22:21:00 Shawn Gray: Well, I started putting together a spot on the Wiki, but the file extensions it'll let me upload and sort on there is very limited. 22:21:17 Shawn Gray: I pretty much have to convert every file to a jpg 22:21:23 Shawn Gray: Or a bunch of jpg 22:21:27 MikkelPaulson: it'll accept svg too 22:21:53 MikkelPaulson: if MediaWiki has an easy way to change file upload filters, I don't know it 22:22:55 Shawn Gray: I suppose its something we'll need to dig into more. 22:23:06 Shawn Gray: It would be good to be able to at least upload .pdf files. 22:23:38 MikkelPaulson: yeah 22:24:03 Shawn Gray: I can turn anything into a .pdf, and everyone can open & print those... 22:24:19 Shawn Gray: Well, anything I can open that is... 22:25:05 MikkelPaulson: better to use a format that everyone can edit too 22:25:25 MikkelPaulson: I'd rather do PDF and ODT copies of everything 22:25:50 Shawn Gray: That would be nice to be able to put up on the wiki. 22:26:45 MikkelPaulson: well, I'll look into it 22:26:48 MikkelPaulson: maybe I'm just blind 22:27:23 Shawn Gray: I've never worked on the backend of this kind of stuff, so I'm afraid I'm no help. 22:27:50 MikkelPaulson: it's okay, that's what I do for a living 22:28:11 Shawn Gray: Also, if you could e-mail me your log from tonight afterward, that would be great. 22:28:38 Shawn Gray: I won't be able to put the last two weeks up until after my netbook gets back from its trip to London, but I can get tonight's online tmw. 22:29:00 MikkelPaulson: want the last two weeks too? 22:29:13 Shawn Gray: Sure. I guess it doesn't hurt. 22:29:22 Shawn Gray: Send it to my gmail though: rintaran@gmail.com 22:29:26 MikkelPaulson: k 22:30:06 Shawn Gray: I can read & reply to my pirate stuff on my phone, but it doesn't do much for putting it online and I don't have access to it through work's firewall. 22:30:28 Shawn Gray: Well, I could, but I like my job... 22:30:28 MikkelPaulson: yeah 22:30:56 MikkelPaulson: I can send from my PPCA account, but can't receive at work 22:31:20 Shawn Gray: My phone is more powerful than my netbook...  By far. 22:31:30 Shawn Gray: But I still can't stand the touch-screen keyboard. 22:32:20 MikkelPaulson: yeah I wouldn't write anything lengthy on mine 22:32:39 Shawn Gray: Anyhow, last thing I have is the YouTube issue. 22:34:03 Shawn Gray: YouTube/Google do a lot that does stand in contrast to our privacy platform. It might not be a bad idea to investigate some alternatives for our future video storage needs. 22:34:39 MikkelPaulson: Vimeo? 22:35:06 Shawn Gray: I honestly don't know who the competitors are. 22:35:20 Shawn Gray: Yehoshua brought up the issue, but he didn't have any particular recommendations. 22:35:51 Shawn Gray: I happen to agree that YouTube is probably not the most ideal, just the broadest market. 22:36:00 MikkelPaulson: well Vimeo is by far the biggest alternative as far as I know 22:36:02 Shawn Gray: But we realistically don't get many random hits on the videos. 22:36:13 Shawn Gray: How's their privacy policy? 22:36:17 MikkelPaulson: I don't know 22:36:54 Shawn Gray: I'll read up on it then. Maybe bring it forth again next week? 22:37:36 MikkelPaulson: sounds good 22:37:50 MikkelPaulson: that's all for me 22:38:07 MikkelPaulson: unless there's anything else, let's call it a night 22:38:10 Shawn Gray: Same. I'll let you know when the minutes from the Ottawa meeting are up. 22:38:27 Shawn Gray: Great chatting with you Mikkel. :) 22:39:04 MikkelPaulson: you as well

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