FC 2010-10-28 transcript

Transcript from Federal Council Meeting on Oct 28, 2010
[21:45] <~MikkelPaulson> I'll call the meeting to order [21:45] <~MikkelPaulson> so you've got a room booked, Mike? [21:45] <+Zblewski> Yes. The thing is, it got booked... a few doors down from Michael Geist's office. [21:45] <~MikkelPaulson> haha [21:45] <~MikkelPaulson> awesome [21:46] <~MikkelPaulson> be sure to put up a few posters outside his office then [21:46] <~MikkelPaulson> I really hope your event turns out to be more successful [21:47] <~MikkelPaulson> I've managed to stir up a couple of PPCA volunteers in Winnipeg (Axon included), but I think the bulk of Jeff's volunteer force will have to come from his FCC contacts [21:48] <~MikkelPaulson> how many do you have confirmed now? [21:48] <+Zblewski> I don't know [21:48] <+Zblewski> specifically for this event [21:48] <+Zblewski> Emails went out [21:49] <+Zblewski> today [21:49] <~MikkelPaulson> good to hear [21:49] <~MikkelPaulson> November 9 right? [21:49] <+Zblewski> Yes. There is a facebook event linked to our page. [21:49] <~MikkelPaulson> good to know [21:50] <~MikkelPaulson> you should plan something campaigny to do afterwards [21:50] <+Zblewski> mhm [21:50] <~MikkelPaulson> like go around campus handing out flyers or something [21:50] <~MikkelPaulson> to get things started right away [21:51] <~MikkelPaulson> so what're you planning to cover? [21:52] <+Zblewski> The goals of the party for the first little bt, then on to thinking of activities to perform to get money into the coffers [21:53] <~MikkelPaulson> cover Winnipeg North as well [21:53] <+Zblewski> yessir. [21:53] <~MikkelPaulson> hopefully involving some clever ways that I haven't thought of yet to get involved [21:53] <+Zblewski> I'll ask Jeff what he needs whenever he decides he needs it [21:53] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [21:53] <~MikkelPaulson> well at the moment I think we need to do up some good promotional material [21:54] <~MikkelPaulson> that's the big gap that's waiting to be filled as soon as the nomination is finalized [21:54] <~MikkelPaulson> I'll help out as I can, but I also have a web dev project due Monday [21:55] <~MikkelPaulson> leader's done, the day job is catching up with me now [21:55] <~MikkelPaulson> I was kinda hoping to have the paperwork done by the time I left, but I think we've got a decent start [21:55] <~MikkelPaulson> I provided him with a letter of endorsement and the instructions to submit the paperwork as soon as possible [21:56] <+Zblewski> How many signatures are there, do you know? [21:56] <~MikkelPaulson> it's possible to withdraw an endorsement, so I'll just do that if he fails the vote on Monday [21:56] <~MikkelPaulson> he has about 40 of the required 100 [21:56] <~MikkelPaulson> he's really well-connected in the community, so he's done a lot better than I would in his place [21:57] <+Zblewski> Sounds like okay progress [21:58] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [21:58] <~MikkelPaulson> so I don't foresee any problem in getting the paperwork in before the deadline, which is on the 8th [21:59] <+Zblewski> Good. Like I said, I'll be contacting him on his progress on the paperwork and looking to see what he needs [21:59] <~MikkelPaulson> great [21:59] <~MikkelPaulson> I recognize that by endorsing Jeff before putting it to a vote by the membership I've overstepped my authority, but I hope the members respect the need to act quickly [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> and we will have to review the section of the constitution concerned with this, as clearly it doesn't work as well as it should [22:00] <+Zblewski> Well, I also want to see if he feels he has gotten the bulk of information he needs to start sending a message [22:00] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed [22:01] <+Zblewski> Though he needs to carry the listening message throughout, he should show that he is capable of drawing conclusions based on what he has heard [22:01] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah exactly [22:02] <+Zblewski> I also want to start to go by the critical path for a few things, certainly not all [22:03] <~MikkelPaulson> a brochure design I had in mind just says, "I'm tired of politics. Your turn," at the top, and the next page is just lined paper [22:03] <~MikkelPaulson> with contact info [22:03] <~MikkelPaulson> and the party platform on the back [22:03] <+Zblewski> hmm [22:03] <~MikkelPaulson> we'll also need to do basic templates for candidate sites, brochures, etc. [22:04] <+Zblewski> Yeah. [22:04] <~MikkelPaulson> did Jake ever contact you about the business cards? [22:04] <~MikkelPaulson> I sent him an email asking him to take whatever he could off your hands [22:04] <~MikkelPaulson> I've been dumping all kinds of stuff on you because I don't know how much Jake will be able to handly [22:04] <~MikkelPaulson> *handle [22:05] <+Zblewski> He did email me [22:05] <+Zblewski> I just haven't decided [22:05] <~MikkelPaulson> fair enough [22:05] <~MikkelPaulson> any progress on the business cards? [22:06] <+Zblewski> Not really, those I have called don't work in vectors [22:06] <~MikkelPaulson> well you can always send them a raster version [22:06] <+Zblewski> I'll have to dig into the more specialized printers [22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> that's what we do just about everywhere [22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> like for the Gelaskin I ordered [22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> just converted the vector to 300 dpi png [22:08] <+Zblewski> Ah [22:08] <~MikkelPaulson> hey Stephane [22:08] <+Zblewski> Nuitari [22:08] <+Nuitari> hey MikkelPaulson Zblewski [22:08] <+Nuitari> did I miss the meeting? [22:08] <+Zblewski> Just basic discussion on Winnipeg so far [22:09] <+Nuitari> cool [22:09] <+Nuitari> no news from the auditor [22:09] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: are you back in Edmonton? [22:09] <~MikkelPaulson> just got in this afternoon [22:09] <~MikkelPaulson> came in $175 under budget on the trip [22:09] <+Nuitari> cool [22:09] <+Zblewski> BRAVO [22:09] <~MikkelPaulson> including the flight it came to $623.88 [22:10] <+Zblewski> Paulson the penny-pincher [22:10] <~MikkelPaulson> tell me about it [22:10] <~MikkelPaulson> my biggest single food expense was Subway [22:10] <+Nuitari> will you and Jeff be able to join the teleconference tomorrow? [22:10] <~MikkelPaulson> you checked if that would be okay? [22:10] <+Nuitari> yes [22:11] <+Nuitari> more can join too [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> sure [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> I don't know that it'll be strictly necessary [22:11] <+Nuitari> so Zblewski if you want in, I'll forward you the info [22:11] <+Nuitari> I don't know either, but I want to be sure we have people on it too [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> doesn't sound like much of what's going on is of particular concern to us [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> sure, I just figured one person would be enough [22:11] <+Nuitari> well, the first and last point of the order are [22:11] <~MikkelPaulson> but I know that Jeff's interested in joining in [22:12] <+Nuitari> excellent [22:12] <~MikkelPaulson> not sure what "administrative improvements" involves, but I doubt that we'll need to pay attention to the expense limits [22:13] <+Nuitari> perhaps, but it's all stuff we have to know as we grow [22:13] <+Zblewski> Nuitari, do that [22:13] <~MikkelPaulson> although of course I'd love to be wrong there [22:14] <~MikkelPaulson> one of Jeff's campaign goals is to get more votes per dollar spent than any other candidate [22:14] <+Zblewski> Hm [22:15] <~MikkelPaulson> in my riding in 2004, the Green candidate spent $107 and got 3,029 votes [22:15] <~MikkelPaulson> the Liberal candidate spent 400x as much for 4x the votes [22:16] <~MikkelPaulson> anyway, I won't get into the specifics of Jeff's campaign too much here [22:16] <~MikkelPaulson> that's what the meeting on Monday is for [22:17] <+Nuitari> newsletter for it please [22:17] <~MikkelPaulson> helluva newsletter we'll be sending out [22:17] <~MikkelPaulson> looking forward to seeing the response [22:17] <~MikkelPaulson> Mike, how do you feel about doing a cold-calling tutorial for us? [22:17] <+Zblewski> That sounds like a plan [22:19] <~MikkelPaulson> well, now that we have quorum here, we apparently need to pass a motion to call the directorial by-election [22:19] <~MikkelPaulson> to that end, I move that a by-election be called to replace the position left vacant by the resignation of Daniel LaSalle, to conclude at the general meeting on December 19, 2010 [22:20] <+Nuitari> ok let's do it [22:20] <~MikkelPaulson> I vote yes, obviously [22:21] <+Zblewski> Yes [22:21] <~MikkelPaulson> Stephane, for the record, your vote? [22:22] <+Nuitari> yes [22:22] <~MikkelPaulson> alrighty then, we can include that in the newsletter as well [22:23] <+Nuitari> no [22:23] <+Nuitari> not yet [22:23] <~MikkelPaulson> no? [22:23] <+Zblewski> ? [22:23] <+Nuitari> there is a 30 day limit to find a replacement with EC [22:24] <~MikkelPaulson> and a 32-day limit in our constitution [22:24] <+Nuitari> w/o him we're at the limit of what is allowed [22:24] <~MikkelPaulson> even though he's interim? [22:24] <~MikkelPaulson> as well, EC only requires 3 directors as I recall [22:25] <+Nuitari> yes [22:25] <+Nuitari> the leader doesn't count as a director [22:25] <~MikkelPaulson> right [22:25] <~MikkelPaulson> so there's you, Mike, and Jake [22:25] <+Nuitari> right [22:26] <+Nuitari> DLS was our safety margin in case someone gets hit by a bus [22:26] <+Nuitari> plus we need to focus on Winnipeg at this point and have more people willing to participate in the party at the director level [22:26] <~MikkelPaulson> so what do you suggest? [22:27] <~MikkelPaulson> last time I raised the subject here, popular opinion seemed to hold that we should get it over with as soon as possible [22:27] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm fine either way, but we've already started down that path [22:29] <+Zblewski> I know I felt that way [22:29] <+Nuitari> right but now it's too late to do that [22:29] <+Zblewski> but now tha this whole Winnipeg thing has started [22:29] <~MikkelPaulson> will you lot make up your minds? [22:29] <~MikkelPaulson> Winnipeg is not a surprise [22:29] <~MikkelPaulson> this is things going according to the best-case scenario [22:30] <~MikkelPaulson> aside from the as-yet lacklustre volunteer response [22:30] <+Nuitari> people like having everything done for them [22:31] <~MikkelPaulson> which means…? [22:32] <+Nuitari> a lot of them can't even do things for themselves and we're asking them to volunteer for us [22:32] <~MikkelPaulson> right [22:32] <~MikkelPaulson> and I understand that the internet doesn't always have the best irl conversion rate [22:32] <~MikkelPaulson> but we have to do our best [22:33] <+Nuitari> yes we have to [22:34] <~MikkelPaulson> so what I don't understand is what changed between last time we discussed this and now [22:34] <+Nuitari> time passed [22:35] <+Nuitari> now the time to deal with it quickly before Winnipeg is gone [22:35] <~MikkelPaulson> 1.When a vacancy occurs in the Council: [22:35] <~MikkelPaulson> 1.The vacancy shall be announced; [22:35] <~MikkelPaulson> 2.The Council shall set a date for a by-election, with the nomination period opening as soon as possible to meet other requirements in the bylaws; and [22:35] <~MikkelPaulson> 3.A general meeting of members or the Council can appoint an interim director for the vacancy, provided that the interim director would be eligible to seek election to that post. [22:35] <~MikkelPaulson> 1.Appointments of interim directors made by a general meeting of members overrule those made by the Council. [22:35] <~MikkelPaulson> 4.If the vacancy is in the Party Leader position, the Council shall appoint an interim Leader from the remaining Directors. [22:35] <~MikkelPaulson> 1.The appointee shall retain their original position, but cannot exercise any powers of that position until they cease to be the Party Leader. [22:35] <~MikkelPaulson> is what the constitution has to say about it [22:36] <+Nuitari> anyone comes as a good person to put in as interim? [22:37] <~MikkelPaulson> Dan is fine, and already appointed in an interim capacity [22:37] <+Nuitari> alright [22:38] <~MikkelPaulson> I don't see anything from Elections Canada about interim directorship [22:38] <+Nuitari> why not start the process after Winnipeg and use the momentum from it? [22:38] <+Nuitari> EC doesn't care if someone is elected director or chosen [22:38] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [22:38] <~MikkelPaulson> and keeping Dan at least we don't have to add updating EC records to our to-do list [22:39] <+Nuitari> alright [22:40] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm not happy about the situation, but I'm also acutely aware that we need to focus on Winnipeg North as much as possible [22:41] <~MikkelPaulson> in that case, I move to withdraw the previous motion [22:42] <~MikkelPaulson> I vote yes [22:42] <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari? Zblewski? [22:42] <+Zblewski> Yes. [22:43] <+Zblewski> If we have to into it right away, I'd rather vote against [22:43] <~MikkelPaulson> seems not [22:45] <~MikkelPaulson> anyway, this meeting is getting a bit long in the tooth, so let's hurry things along [22:45] <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari, please record a vote when you get a chance [22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> the last bit is as follows [22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds like C-32 will be resuming shortly [22:47] <~MikkelPaulson> if we are to provide honourary memberships to people involved in all sides of the debate, as we've discussed previously, now's the time [22:50] <+Nuitari> Zblewski: what is the question to vote? [22:52] <+Zblewski> We were voting to null the by-election in favour of the Winnipeg campaign [22:52] <+Zblewski> MikkelPaulson: for this campaign [22:52] <+Zblewski> I do think it's risky [22:52] <+Zblewski> I really do [22:52] <~MikkelPaulson> taking on too much? [22:53] <+Zblewski> Not just that, but it could bite back [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> I understand that it's a bold move, but I'm interested to hear your reasoning [22:55] <+Zblewski> I'm quite tired, but, I'll try. Basically, there are a few things that can happen [22:55] <+Zblewski> one, no one might care, thus, a total flop. [22:56] <+Zblewski> 2, we could be utterly dismissed by these people, without reason, and it can stick permanently. [22:56] <+Zblewski> 3. We could be unprepared if they try and school us in terms of knowlege on the subject at hand [22:58] <+Zblewski> 4. The tactic itself could be labelled by opponents as a cheap tactic used by pressure groups [23:00] <+Zblewski> See? [23:00] <~MikkelPaulson> I do [23:00] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: I vote yes for the withdrawal [23:01] <~MikkelPaulson> thanks [23:01] <~MikkelPaulson> so you think it's too risky to proceed with at this point? [23:01] <+Nuitari> yes [23:01] <+Nuitari> we need to focus [23:02] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm willing to accept that [23:03] <+Nuitari> let [23:03] <+Nuitari> let's concentrate on promoting the party, esp in Winnipeg [23:03] <+Nuitari> we also need to call all the bounced cards [23:03] <~MikkelPaulson> how many? [23:03] <+Nuitari> 9 left [23:03] <+Nuitari> for now [23:04] <+Nuitari> I already remailed 6 [23:04] <~MikkelPaulson> okay [23:04] <~MikkelPaulson> that's not exactly a big deal [23:04] <~MikkelPaulson> needs to be done, but it can be done in half an hour [23:05] <~MikkelPaulson> however, for the course of this campaign, I think we should move to bi-weekly Federal Council meetings [23:05] <~MikkelPaulson> maybe more frequent general meetings as well? [23:05] <~MikkelPaulson> what do you think? [23:05] <+Nuitari> I think we need to focus on producing promotional materials for use in the campaign and future ones [23:06] <+Nuitari> and spending about 12h on meetings isn't going to help [23:06] <+Nuitari> howver having 2 general meetings might be good [23:07] <~MikkelPaulson> schedule one for the 9th maybe? [23:07] <~MikkelPaulson> Jeff's candidacy is going to be voted on on the 1st [23:07] <~MikkelPaulson> then there's the usual 19th [23:07] <+Nuitari> the vote is 29 ? [23:07] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [23:07] <~MikkelPaulson> nominations close the 8th [23:08] <+Nuitari> yeah [23:08] <~MikkelPaulson> mm [23:09] <~MikkelPaulson> anything else come to mind? [23:09] <~MikkelPaulson> that's all I've got [23:09] <~MikkelPaulson> actually make it the 10th, that's halfway between the other two meetings [23:09] <+Nuitari> we already have 2 meeting with the 1st and the 19 [23:09] <~MikkelPaulson> the Federal Council does, not a general meeting [23:10] <~MikkelPaulson> and we actually have 3 [23:10] <+Nuitari> who is meeting on the 1st? [23:11] <~MikkelPaulson> oh sorry [23:11] <~MikkelPaulson> misread that [23:11] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [23:11] <~MikkelPaulson> it's not technically a general meeting though, just for Jeff's candidacy [23:11] <~MikkelPaulson> although no doubt we'll be talking election strategy [23:11] <~MikkelPaulson> I just think the extra meeting would be a good way to keep a bit of volunteer momentum going [23:12] <+Nuitari> alright [23:13] <~MikkelPaulson> I'll ask Sean to set it up [23:13] <~MikkelPaulson> anything else? [23:14] <+Zblewski> Nope [23:15] <~MikkelPaulson> okay then, I'll call the meeting adjourned

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