FC 2011-02-17 transcript

[22:37] <~MikkelPaulson> I call the meeting to order [22:37] <~MikkelPaulson> svulliez: how're you settling in to the new position? [22:38] <+svulliez> Pretty well [22:39] <~MikkelPaulson> what've you been up to? [22:39] <+svulliez> I think were making progress on doing a canada wide rally on crtc [22:40] <+svulliez> Additiomally I am seeking a narrator for ppca animated informative videos [22:41] <+svulliez> Started doing monthly gvrd meeting [22:41] <+rintaran> I'll get a volunteer job posting up for that right away. [22:42] <+svulliez> Awesome [22:42] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds good [22:43] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, we don't really have any good voice talent [22:43] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm trying to get Sagal again for the new phone system, but she's at university and pretty hard to track down these days [22:44] <~MikkelPaulson> my narration skills leave something to be desired [22:44] <+svulliez> I wish we could get that homeless internet superstar [22:44] <~MikkelPaulson> haha [22:44] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm not sure that he's homeless anymore [22:44] <~MikkelPaulson> but I was thinking the same [22:44] <+rintaran> He's not. A house was part of his sign-on deal. [22:45] <~MikkelPaulson> we could ask Johnny Depp [22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> but seriously, hopefully we can track someone down [22:47] <~MikkelPaulson> it would be great to have some decent vocal talent on our side [22:47] <~MikkelPaulson> we also need a new head of French PR, as Mr. Vulliez's talents in that regard are somewhat lacking [22:48] <+rintaran> 10-4 [22:49] <+svulliez> Unless they want to know how to say library [22:49] <+svulliez> And they ask in english [22:49] <~MikkelPaulson> haha [22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> well, once we actually have someone for the task, I can teach you enough French to point the reporters in their direction [22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> my French is passible, but my grammar isn't so hot and I'm not absolutely certain that I wouldn't end up saying something horrible by accident [22:51] <+Nuitari> don't worry [22:51] <+Nuitari> good French isn't a requirement for the job [22:51] <+Nuitari> just look at Chretien & Harper [22:51] <~MikkelPaulson> well, I'm not anticipating being PM either [22:51] <~MikkelPaulson> anyway Chretien was equally bad at both official languages, that was part of his charm [22:52] <~MikkelPaulson> so rintaran, how are things on in the event/volunteer department? [22:52] <~MikkelPaulson> think the coordinated UBB rallies would be reasonably successful? [22:53] <+rintaran> Well, I have the committee volunteer descriptions up on the Wiki and am in the process of posting the advertisements in the volunteer thread. [22:53] <+rintaran> I'm considering clearing out the "List of committees" thread, as the volunteers in there are very dated at this point. [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> true [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> a number of people have said "I'd like to help out" in the introductions thread as well [22:54] <+rintaran> In Ottawa we've been moving forward with our current event, the Info & Film Night. [22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> maybe follow up with some of the more recent people there [22:55] <+rintaran> Using that as a springboard, I'm pretty sure we can do a good rally in Ottawa for UBB. With simultaneous work and contact in other parts of the country, the national thing could certainly go over well [22:55] <+svulliez> Vancouver rally also good to go [22:55] <~MikkelPaulson> what was the date you were proposing? [22:55] <+svulliez> If every federal v [22:55] <+rintaran> I'm also thinking we need to reform the Local Relations committee. It should have the "heads" of any local organizations in it to serve as a central meeting place for local planners to get together. [22:55] <+Nuitari> rintaran: you have flags for the rally? [22:56] <+svulliez> I agree [22:56] <+rintaran> The date for the rally currently suggested would be March 6th. It's a Sunday, which has its pros and cons. [22:56] <+rintaran> I don't currently have flags here. Mikkel was supposed to get some to us before the Info Night on March 2nd. [22:57] <~MikkelPaulson> oh, sorry [22:57] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: want to reuse yours? [22:57] <~MikkelPaulson> I can send those off shortly [22:57] <~MikkelPaulson> sure [22:57] <~MikkelPaulson> I have four [22:57] <+rintaran> I'm confident Steve could pull off a protest in Calgary. If Nuitari can manage one in Montreal and Mikkel in Edmonton, we've got pretty good coverage. [22:57] <~MikkelPaulson> and Steve wants some for Calgary too [22:57] <+Nuitari> i don't have the time to handle one [22:57] <~MikkelPaulson> I'd like to keep at least one here [22:58] <+rintaran> Is there anyone in Montreal that you could kick in the butt to get one organized/ [22:58] <+svulliez> I can send one to Steve [22:58] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: how many do you have? [22:58] <~MikkelPaulson> I think our Montreal members are prettymuch impervious to butt-kicking these days [22:58] <~MikkelPaulson> 4 [22:58] <+Nuitari> can you send 1 to Steve and 1 to rintaran ? [22:58] <~MikkelPaulson> okay [22:59] <+rintaran> Send via Canada Post. Purolater requires a 2-hour bus ride for their only outlet. [22:59] <~MikkelPaulson> rintaran: think you could see about reaching out to other organizations that might be interested in helping to support UBB rallies [22:59] <+rintaran> Canada Post is right next door. [23:00] <~MikkelPaulson> likewise [23:00] <+rintaran> We've already begun. Shawn has contacted OpenMedia, Stop the CRTC, and Dissolve the CRTC. [23:00] <+rintaran> I'll be contacting the Ottawa segments, and a few other organizations in the next couple of days. [23:00] <~MikkelPaulson> any response? [23:00] <+svulliez> Not yet [23:01] <+svulliez> Sent yesterday though [23:01] <~MikkelPaulson> okay [23:01] <+rintaran> With OpenMedia's National Day of Action on Feb 26th, there's an opportunity to hitch a ride and promote the event. [23:01] <~MikkelPaulson> local Linux users' groups might be interested in participating and/or promoting too [23:01] <+Nuitari> students groups too maybe [23:01] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [23:02] <+rintaran> Definitely. OpenMedia's adverts have been all over the college. [23:02] <+rintaran> With the right combination of marketing and contacts, the rally will be a success. [23:02] <~MikkelPaulson> that sounds promising [23:02] <+rintaran> It will also behoove us to contact smaller ISPs about the rally. [23:03] <+rintaran> They, in turn, could print notice on their sites and possibly send notice to their subscribers. [23:03] <~MikkelPaulson> excellent idea [23:03] <~MikkelPaulson> I finished the video for our CRTC submission [23:04] <~MikkelPaulson> needs to have the beginning and end snipped, but otherwise it turned out okay [23:04] <~MikkelPaulson> upload is just finishing now, so I'll link it in a few minutes [23:05] <~MikkelPaulson> what happened to Mike? [23:05] <+svulliez> Are we going ahead with the ubb package torrent? [23:05] <~MikkelPaulson> yes [23:05] <+rintaran> Mike's been missing for some time now. No announcement on reason. [23:05] <~MikkelPaulson> and I noticed that the CRTC has to provide digital copies of submissions to parties that have indicated no internet access [23:06] <~MikkelPaulson> so in our case that would have to be delivered on 40 DVDs :) [23:08] <~MikkelPaulson> rintaran: you were present at the PPI meeting, yeah? any comments? [23:08] <+rintaran> Yes, I was present. Did Mike refer you to the minutes? [23:08] <~MikkelPaulson> yes [23:08] <~MikkelPaulson> http://pr.piratepad.ca/49? [23:08] <~MikkelPaulson> svulliez: do you have an account? [23:09] <+rintaran> Well, from what I got out of the meeting, they're trying really hard to get us on board. [23:09] <+rintaran> Additionally, today through their mailing list, a number of proposed amendments to the statutes were sent out. [23:09] <+svulliez> I believe I do, but I cant check rogj [23:09] <+rintaran> Some of them directly refer to our concerns. [23:09] <+svulliez> Right now [23:09] <~MikkelPaulson> didn't see you in the list, so I made a new account for you [23:09] <~MikkelPaulson> that's encouraging [23:10] <~MikkelPaulson> personally, my opinion is that if joining isn't detrimental to us, we should proceed even if there are no significant benefits at this point [23:10] <+rintaran> For example, there is an amendment that explicitely prohibits holding the conference two-years in a row on the same continent. [23:10] <~MikkelPaulson> it'll only get better by having organizations willing to get involved [23:10] <+svulliez> Im on a smartphone at a wikileaks panel for the record [23:11] <+rintaran> Also an amendment requiring the budget to be presented to the General Assembly. [23:11] <~MikkelPaulson> svulliez: minutes http://dl.dropbox.com/u/68829/PPI_minutes.txt [23:12] <+rintaran> The other amendments generally make sense as well. It looks like they're moving in the right direction. [23:12] <~MikkelPaulson> hope you can view that okay [23:12] <~MikkelPaulson> that's good to hear [23:12] <+rintaran> At the moment, there's no real disadvantage to joining the PPI, and there are a number of advantages worth considering. [23:12] <~MikkelPaulson> well, I'm willing to give them a chance, or at least give our members the chance to make that decision [23:13] <+rintaran> As we won't have anyone attending their conference this year, they will allow us to make our application either through a delegated individual, or via a media-recording. I believe a time-limit of 5-minutes was mentioned. [23:14] <~MikkelPaulson> if they can't host in Europe in 2012, I think it'll inevitably end up here [23:14] <~MikkelPaulson> we're more advanced than any other non-European party [23:14] <+svulliez> booya [23:14] <+rintaran> Perhaps, but Australia is already a member of the PPI, and there are now members in Africa as well. [23:15] <~MikkelPaulson> so if that amendment passes we should be prepared [23:15] <~MikkelPaulson> none of them are registered, though [23:15] <~MikkelPaulson> not that that's necessarily a requirement, but it would help [23:16] <+rintaran> True. I would still prefer to delay at least until 2013, though 2014 would be best. [23:16] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed [23:16] <+svulliez> Is there a statement we have on wikileaks? [23:16] <~MikkelPaulson> although we may see a boost after our first election [23:16] <+rintaran> Regardless, hosting the PPI would be a big media boom for us. [23:16] <+svulliez> For the pael [23:16] <~MikkelPaulson> bit hard without context [23:17] <~MikkelPaulson> but as PR director I think you're entitled to speak on our behalf [23:17] <+svulliez> Ok [23:18] <~MikkelPaulson> I'd also like to actually have a chance to have a rep there, and I don't think that's going to happen if the event isn't in North America [23:18] <~MikkelPaulson> at least not in the immediate future [23:19] <+rintaran> Depending on how my business is going at that point, it may be possible for me to attend a foreign conference in 2012. But I can't cross that bridge until probably next January. [23:19] <~MikkelPaulson> shall we put it to a vote, then? or anything else to add? [23:19] <~MikkelPaulson> same goes for me, and the nature of my work at the moment is that I can do it from anywhere with an internet connection [23:20] <~MikkelPaulson> but at the moment I'm not really in a financial position to do that [23:20] <+rintaran> Anything can happen in a year right. [23:20] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed [23:20] <+rintaran> Something to revisit at the end of 2011. [23:21] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [23:21] <+rintaran> But for the moment, I don't think there's any additional discussion of PPI coming. Let's put it to a vote. [23:21] <~MikkelPaulson> for now our focus should be on election readiness [23:21] <~MikkelPaulson> okay then [23:21] <+rintaran> Definitely. [23:22] <~MikkelPaulson> I move that the Federal Council support membership in Pirate Parties International, and refer the matter to the General Assembly for discussion and approval [23:22] <~MikkelPaulson> yes [23:22] <+Nuitari> yes [23:22] <+rintaran> I vote yes. [23:23] <~MikkelPaulson> svulliez? [23:23] <+svulliez> yes [23:23] <~MikkelPaulson> the motion passes [23:23] <~MikkelPaulson> we'll discuss it on the 19th [23:23] <+rintaran> Unanimous consent. Sweet. [23:23] <~MikkelPaulson> voting will close on the 27th, so we should be able to give them an answer after that [23:24] <~MikkelPaulson> it's very rare that there's a division within the Council [23:24] <~MikkelPaulson> usually we work by consensus [23:24] <~MikkelPaulson> but you know that [23:24] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, the last matter I had on the agenda is meeting scheduling [23:25] <~MikkelPaulson> would be nice to have Mike in for this too [23:25] <~MikkelPaulson> but the Thursdays at 9:30 schedule was based on agreement of what would work best for our Council as of September [23:25] <~MikkelPaulson> now that 2/5 of the members are different, I'd be open to changing that if another time would work better for you [23:25] <~MikkelPaulson> personally, I have no regular commitments there, so any time should work [23:26] <~MikkelPaulson> any preferences? [23:26] <+rintaran> I would like it a little earlier actually. Even if it's only an hour earlier, it's a little easier for us EST folks when the meeting goes late. [23:26] <~MikkelPaulson> unfortunately we're back to a Council that spans 4 time zones again [23:27] <+rintaran> I know as clerk I waned for some of them, and I've seen Mike's speech degrade as the evening gets later. [23:27] <~MikkelPaulson> how's that for you, svulliez [23:27] <~MikkelPaulson> ? [23:27] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, it's tough as we rarely start on time, too [23:27] <~MikkelPaulson> I normally stay up very late, so it's not a problem for me [23:27] <~MikkelPaulson> plus it's 2 hours earlier here [23:28] <~MikkelPaulson> svulliez: that'd be starting at 5:30 your time [23:30] <~MikkelPaulson> video's done uploading [23:30] <~MikkelPaulson> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/68829/DSCN0226.MOV [23:31] <+svulliez> 530 is ok by me [23:32] <~MikkelPaulson> still Thursdays? or would another day be better? [23:33] <+rintaran> I have no problem with Thursdays. I actually like the day. [23:35] <~MikkelPaulson> svulliez: still need that form, by the way [23:35] <~MikkelPaulson> I'd like to send the update off to Elections Canada shortly [23:37] <+rintaran> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/French_Head_of_Public_Relations , http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/Narrator New volunteer positions posted. Let me know if something needs changing or if some qualifications are missing. [23:37] <+svulliez> Sorry about that. Its printed, not mailed yet [23:37] <~MikkelPaulson> okay [23:38] <~MikkelPaulson> rintaran: sounds good to me [23:38] <~MikkelPaulson> I'd add the requirement that the PR person be passionate about our core issues, though [23:38] <~MikkelPaulson> we want more than talking heads [23:39] <~MikkelPaulson> also it's spelled "abreast" ;) [23:40] <+svulliez> I just got an offer to speak at a local college [23:41] <+svulliez> Reminder that we need to participate in these events [23:41] <+svulliez> :) [23:41] <~MikkelPaulson> great [23:42] <+rintaran> Forgot to mention. I'll be on a panel with Charlie Angus of the NDP at Can-Con in September. [23:42] <~MikkelPaulson> sweet! [23:42] <~MikkelPaulson> oh yeah, there's one other question I wanted to discuss [23:43] <~MikkelPaulson> and that is our position on the CRTC [23:43] <+rintaran> Just hope he doesn't show up my knowledge of IP laws too much. [23:43] <~MikkelPaulson> I don't think anyone in the party has any illusions that the CRTC works well [23:43] <~MikkelPaulson> but we don't have a position on reform vs. disband [23:43] <~MikkelPaulson> what do you think? [23:45] <+rintaran> Personally, I've signed the petition for dissolution of the CRTC. We need a wholly new panel, with a different focus and more accountability to the people of Canada than the CRTC, under its current regulation, scope, and makeup can deliver. [23:45] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm hesitant to argue for disbanding just because I'm not sure that we'll like what will take its place any better [23:46] <+Nuitari> right [23:46] <+svulliez> I agree, although I think that fits under reform [23:46] <+Nuitari> reform is much more specific as we can say what we want it reformed to [23:47] <+rintaran> True. The reformation would have to be quite extensive though. [23:47] <~MikkelPaulson> absolutely [23:48] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: is the video to be included as-is or work needs to be done on it? [23:48] <+rintaran> There are so many hazards with the CRTC that need to be reconstructed. Additionally, what powers exist to enforce change on the CRTC at this point? Is it possible to do so? [23:48] <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: just needs to have the beginning and end chopped off [23:48] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: ok will I get it soon? [23:48] <~MikkelPaulson> that would have to go through the Ministry of Industry would it not? [23:50] <+rintaran> The CRTC seems to be doing a lot of arguing against that minister of late. For a full change, would it require a passage in parliament? [23:51] <~MikkelPaulson> I'm not sure [23:51] <~MikkelPaulson> that's something we should look into [23:52] <+rintaran> The CRTC was created through Parliament was it not? If so it stands to reason massive changes would need to go through them as well, though they are now an "arms-length" independant regulatory body. [23:52] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah [23:53] <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: okay, I've cropped it down to size, just uploading it to my Dropbox now [23:53] <~MikkelPaulson> should I put it on YouTube at the same time [23:53] <~MikkelPaulson> ? [23:53] <+Nuitari> sure [23:53] <+rintaran> Sounds like a good idea to me. [23:55] <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: did you get my email about about setting up a CardDAV server or something? [23:56] <+Nuitari> who would actually use that? [23:57] <~MikkelPaulson> it would be nice to have phone numbers, email addresses, mailing addresses, and press contacts all in one place [23:57] <~MikkelPaulson> as it is the info is scattered all over [23:58] <+Nuitari> I'll see what I can do [23:58] <+svulliez> I could use that [23:58] <~MikkelPaulson> it would also be nice to have some sort of password management system, anything you know of? [23:58] <~MikkelPaulson> something that supports multiple user accounts [00:00] <+svulliez> A pirate pad document? [00:00] <+Nuitari> for all of it? [00:01] <+svulliez> There is a lot of danger in centralizing that [00:01] <+svulliez> Anywhere [00:03] <~MikkelPaulson> more secure than emailing passwords between ourselves or trying to use the same password for multiple accounts [00:04] <+svulliez> True [00:06] <+rintaran> Things seem to have slowed to a crawl here. Is there more to discuss? [00:07] <~MikkelPaulson> doesn't sound like it [00:07] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, I guess we'll leave it there [00:07] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds like the agreement on the CRTC was reform over dissolve [00:07] <+Nuitari> ok [00:08] <~MikkelPaulson> all right, thanks for coming [00:08] <~MikkelPaulson> the meeting stands adjourned

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