GM 2012-01-18 transcript

From Pirate Party of Canada

NOTE: Log times are in North American Central Time. +1 hour for Eastern Time. 

19:00 -Stenobot:#canada- ================== THIS MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER ===================
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19:00 <+khoover> so, wait, what're the positions up for election?
19:00 <+Sqratz> I believe the 5 directors?
19:01 <+khoover> soooo, just pres, VP, and secretary? then leader/deputy
19:01 <@scshunt> Hey guys, welcome to the Pirate Party General Meeting
19:01 <+Sqratz> I think IT director too.
19:01 <@scshunt> I'm the temporary President, Sean Hunt; it's good to see you all here
19:02 <@scshunt> I'd like to moderate this meeting as little as possible, so please try not to speak out of turn
19:02 <+malix> Hi everyone!
19:02 <@scshunt> If you aren't a member, please remember that you do not have a right to attend or speak
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19:02 <@scshunt> If you aren't a member and would like to speak, please ask politely for permission
19:03 <@scshunt> If you are a member and don't have voice (a +), then please sign in at https://meetings.pirateparty.ca/login.php
19:03 < nloewen> sorry, I can't be here, even I i don't talk?
19:03 <@scshunt> nloewen: You don't have the right, but you're allowed to hang around as long as the meeting is okay with it
19:04 <+thor> nloewen: technically StenoBot would have made the channel +m
19:04  * DLS shakes thor's hand
19:04 <+thor> so you can observe, but not participate
19:04  * nloewen quietly sits in the corner
19:04 <+thor> :)
19:04 <@scshunt> You can participate if given permission
19:04 <@scshunt> and by extension, you can ask for permission
19:04 < JMcleod> So... no stenobot?
19:04 <+RLim> just msg scshunt
19:05 <@scshunt> I won't be using Stenobot today except for authentication because it's a bit annoying
19:05 <+khoover> i see we have one pres, 2 VPs, and 1 secretary up for vote...where're the IT director discussions?
19:05 <@scshunt> Today, because of the amount of business to have to do, we'll be going with the rules in our Parliamentary Authority
19:06 <@scshunt> On any single motion, each member is entitled to two speeches of no more than 10 minutes each
19:06 <@scshunt> A motion can be made to change these limits, set a time to end debate, or simply close debate immediately
19:06 <@scshunt> If you have any questions, do not be afraid to ask me in a private message
19:06 < JakeDaynes> (kinda afk - issues with work)
19:07 <@scshunt> The orders of business we have for today are the election of the new Executive Board, and the IT Director
19:07 <@scshunt> But first, we need to approve the minutes of the December meeting. They were sent out in emails to everyone.
19:07 <@scshunt> Are there any corrections to the minutes?
19:08 <@scshunt> Ok, based on the lack of response, I will declare the minutes approved.
19:08 <@scshunt> Next up is reports. I believe that our Secretary, Ric Lim, has a report to deliver
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19:09 <@scshunt> RLim: hello?
19:09 <+khoover> scshunt, hold up a moment, wasn't there the principle to be added to the constitution?
19:09 <+RLim> one sec
19:10 <@scshunt> khoover: The motion requires notice be given to members
19:10 <+khoover> scshunt, he did give notice in the meeting's forum thread.
19:10 <+RLim> Shawn Gray have resigned. His resignation letter can be found here.
19:11 <+RLim> https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1673.0
19:11 <@scshunt> khoover: Notice either has to be given at the prior meeting or the call of the meeting (if the secretary is informed far enough in advance, then it can be put into the call of the meeting)
19:11 <+khoover> scshunt, ah, ok.
19:12 <@scshunt> Thank you, RLim. The question is on the acceptance of Shawn Gray's resignation. For your information, Shawn is the Deputy Leader.
19:12 <@scshunt> If you wish to speak about the question, please send me a message so that I can get you in my queue
19:13 < jhowell> sorry i am late!
19:13 <@scshunt> Ok, seeing no debate, I'll put the question; is there any objection to accepting the resignation?
19:13 <+CCitizen> I dont think it's a matter of accepting really... Not like we can force him to keep doing stuff right?
19:14 <+thor> nope
19:14 <+MikeBleskie> None. I wish him well.
19:14 <+jhowell> sorry, who  are we talking about
19:14 <%JakeDaynes> I don't believe so - I can appreciate having personal reasons which could interfere
19:14 <@scshunt> jhowell: Shawn Grey's resignation
19:14 <+thor> jhowell: https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1673.0
19:14 <+jhowell> thx
19:14 <@scshunt> Ok, seeing no objection, the resignation is accepted; the Secretary will inform him and the Political Council shall select a new Deputy Leader.
19:15 <@scshunt> Moving on, we have the election of the Executive Board.
19:15 <@scshunt> The President suggests that the vote on all three positions be taken at once after nominations and discussion, and that the elections be effective as of the end of the meeting
19:15 <@scshunt> Are there any objections to this?
19:15 <+JakeDaynes> none
19:16 <+malix> none
19:16 <+Sqratz> none
19:16 <@scshunt> Ok, with no objections, we'll proceed like this.
19:16 <+JohannWeiss> no
19:16 <+MikeBleskie> none
19:16 <@scshunt> First is the President. If you have nominations, or wish to debate the matter, please send RLim a PM so that he can get you into queue
19:17 <@scshunt> Note that write-in votes are permitted, so nominations are not strictly necessary
19:19 <@scshunt> ... hang on, technology failure in our speakers' list
19:20 <@scshunt> No one has any nominations or debate for President?
19:20 <@scshunt> (oh, also, information is available at https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?board=72.0)
19:20 <~Nuitari> Hi
19:20 <+CCitizen> well since he's seeking it I'll nominate Travis McCrea
19:20 <@scshunt> Ok, Travis McCreas is nominated.
19:21 <@scshunt> *is
19:21 <+JakeDaynes> I will second (if necessary?)
19:21 <+Sqratz> Sounds good,
19:21 <+jhowell> agreed
19:21 <@scshunt> Seconds aren't needed for nominations
19:22 <+psema4> Ill nominate scshunt since hes looking for something to do ;-) 
19:22 <+DLS> LOL
19:22 <@scshunt> Ok, Sean Hunt is nominated
19:22 <+Sqratz> psema4: Also, sounds good to me.
19:22 <@scshunt> Are there any further nominations, or any discussion?
19:23 <+JMcleod> Does Sean Hunt wish to be president, and if so, why did he ask to be Maybe Something?
19:24 <+khoover> for reference's sake, Travis's platform is here: https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1585.0
19:24 <@scshunt> I do not have a particularly strong feeling one way or another; I put "Maybe Something" for reasons explained in the thread.
19:24 <+Wilson> I would like to point out Travis is also seeking a PB seat and to avoid having the two boards have the same people I would think Sean is a better choice imo.
19:25 <+Sqratz> I agree with Wilson.
19:25 <+JMcleod> Where is Travis anyways?
19:26 <+JakeDaynes> I'm assuming he, as I am, may be at work
19:26 <+CCitizen> Travis is Vancouver time I'm guessing he might be on the way home to get on here
19:26 <+jhowell> i'm EST and i barely made it!
19:26 <+JMcleod> hold on ill see if I can bother him in FB
19:26 <+JohannWeiss> I am bothering him as we speak
19:27 <+JakeDaynes> I think Sean has shown a lot of dedication thus far in the party - I also agree that he would be a better choice
19:27 <+malix> JakeDaynes: I agree
19:27 <+JMcleod> Ok he is at work
19:27 <~Nuitari> yeah I'd see Travis more in a PR role
19:28 <+RLim> I agree with WIlson. I think Travis will be better suited on the political board. Sean Hunt did an amazing job with revising our constitution and looking after the discussion and voting.
19:29 <+jhowell> if things are running well under Seans' eye, then if its not broke--no reason to fix it
19:29 <+MikeBleskie> Agreed. Sean has been a cohesive force over the transition, I'm so glad he was there.
19:31 <@scshunt> Is there any further discussion?
19:31 <+JohannWeiss> Does Sean have any poinion
19:31 <+JohannWeiss> opinion**
19:32 <+LynnB> Having seen Travis running in Vancouver central last election, I'd rather see him on the political council.
19:32 <@scshunt> JohannWeiss: As I am presiding, it is best for me not to express my opinion if possible; I haven't heard anything that makes me want to express my opinion strongly enough to leave the chair
19:32 <+MikeBleskie> Looks like he had an issue there.
19:33 <@scshunt> Nor more discussion?
19:34 <+MikeBleskie> None.
19:34 <+DLS> whatsoever
19:34 <+JohannWeiss> none
19:34 <@scshunt> Ok, we will move on to Vice-President
19:34 <@scshunt> Do we have any nominations?
19:35 <+MikeBleskie> I nominate Ric Lim.
19:35 <+JMcleod> Wait, is there a vote on president? or are votes after?
19:35 <+RLim> JMcleod: after
19:35 <@scshunt> JMcleod: Votes for all three positions will be done after nomination & discussion
19:35 <+Wilson> I'll nominate Jack McLeod.
19:37 <@scshunt> Ok, Ric and Jack are nominated.
19:37 <@scshunt> Any discussion?
19:37 <+fp> Can a candidate be nominated for multiple positions?
19:37 <@scshunt> fp: Yes
19:37 <+fp> thanks
19:37 <@scshunt> If a candidate is elected to more than one, then they choose one office and we will vote again for the other
19:37 <+JMcleod> But is a masochist if he holds more than one :P
19:38 <@scshunt> If they are elected again, then they keep both offices.
19:38 <~Nuitari> I would prefer that someone does 1 job well then many jobs badly
19:38 <+JMcleod> oh and finally they arrive :P
19:38 <+MikeBleskie> It is unusual for a vice- to take over the duties of the main role.
19:38 <+RLim> both walked in at the same time
19:38 <+MikeBleskie> A few days, at most
19:38 < svulliez> My phone alarm didn't go off,.
19:39 <+MikeBleskie> s'okay.
19:39 < svulliez> I am sorry my fine gentlemen.
19:39 <+LynnB> and ladies.
19:39 <+DLS> AND LADIES!
19:39 <+DLS> esp ladies :)
19:40 <~Nuitari> JMcleod: where can we learn more about you ?
19:40 <+JMcleod> OK so - u didnt miss too much. Travis & scshunt nominated for prez, Ric Lim & myself for vp up to now
19:40 <+Wilson> and Shawn runs afoul gender neutrality  ;)
19:40 < svulliez> Heh. That was heck of patriarchal. My apologies, women of the world.
19:40 <+JMcleod> Nuitari, phone me, 450 - 338 1185!
19:41 <+JakeDaynes> afk - logging in on my phone
19:41 <+khoover> ladies? on the internet? ;O
19:41 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Btw everyone, I was late (actually not even going to attend) because I am currently at work. However, as a nominated candidate for pres I felt that it would be poor form not to attend. 
19:41 <+phillipsjk> JMcleod, now, during the meeting?
19:41 <~Nuitari> JMcleod: I mean on the forum or here...
19:41 <+JMcleod> lol he wanted to know more about me :) 
19:41 <+RLim> https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1554.0
19:42 <+RLim> JMcleod post at Political Board thread
19:42 <+JMcleod> Actually - add me on Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/neobahamut20 - I also posted on political board
19:42 <+RLim> that was from the political board. More detailed than the one in Executive Board. :)
19:43 <+JMcleod> The executive board was still very unclear to me when I made the post considering there were no posters at the time, I figured I'd liven it up :P
19:45 <+JMcleod> However, I will be 30 soon, have a few white hairs. (I could say lots of things, but what do you want to know :P)   - One thing I would want to see the party have is the possibility to sell business cards to members & officers so they can be distributed to people we meet and speak to about the party
19:45 <+JMcleod> And obviously, get the French site up to date with the English site. (partipirate.ca)
19:45 <+Sqratz> JMcleod: That certainly would've helped me out a couple times.
19:46 <~Nuitari> that will be something the exec board can work on
19:46 <+JMcleod> I figure this could be done effectively on the executive board which is the reason I applied.
19:46  * phillipsjk didn't know about the separate french site
19:46 <+JohannWeiss> I definitely support more work being done in French
19:46 <~Nuitari> we also need people to do good translations
19:47 <~Nuitari> JMcleod: if you get elected to the exec board, would you seek a PB position ?
19:47 <+malix> Nuitari: I volunteer for that!
19:48 <+JMcleod> I wouldnt mind PB, but I would refuse Deputy Leader role (and already would refuse Leader regardless, Leader has to love debating and speaking with media)
19:49 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> You don't like debating? That was my favourite part of the campaigns.
19:50 <~Nuitari> RLim: would you seek a PB post?
19:50 <+JohannWeiss> JMcleod: That makes sense to me, that way you're not fulfilling two roles on the executive
19:50 < chiggsy>  /msg sb 5KP
19:50 <+JMcleod> I don't mind it, but I dont like it too much no.
19:50 <@scshunt> chiggsy: no space at the start of the line
19:50 < chiggsy> heh
19:51 <+RLim> I would not take Leader position
19:51 <+chiggsy> nothing like a lil cut and paste to humble a man
19:51 <+Wilson> As per the constitution you can't refuse leader without also refusing dep. leader. So in effect you refused both, JMcleod.
19:51 <+JMcleod> Johann... a Deputy Leader and Vice President is there to replace if the Pres or Leader cannot fulfill their job, its not really 2 roles
19:52 <+khoover> wait, that was in there? could've sworn if you turned down dep. you also refused leader.
19:52 <+JohannWeiss> Don't they have a vote on the executive?
19:52 <+svulliez> khoover is right
19:52 <@scshunt> The Leader and Deputy Leader have voting positions on the Executive Board, yes.
19:53 <@scshunt> Also, one cannot turn down leader and deputy leader separately, but one could wait to see the outcome before declining
19:53 <+JMcleod> Oh, then yeah, it should be made clear that one cannot have more than one vote in exec
19:54 <@scshunt> Our parliamentary authority already provides that :)
19:54 <+JohannWeiss> That's what I was referring to. If you were the VP and leader then you would be in two voting roles on the executive. I believe that you would still get one vote, but then the executive is only 4 votes
19:54 <@scshunt> JohannWeiss is correct
19:55 <+JMcleod> Yeah, but if I take VP I am not taking any leadership roles at the same time. 
19:55 <+JMcleod> Just so its clear.
19:55 <+svulliez> The heads of board committees also get votes, correct?
19:56 <@scshunt> Yes
19:56 <@scshunt> so the IT Director will have a vote as well
19:56 <@scshunt> Currently the IT Committee is the only standing committee, so it is the only position that gets a vote
19:56 <+JohannWeiss> JMcleod: It isn't much of an issue, you said earlier that you were not running for leader or deputy leader of the political board, right? Then you couldn't have two positions which had votes
19:57 <+svulliez> You are correct. it will not be an issue with Jack McLeod
19:57 <+JMcleod> Exactly
19:58 <+svulliez> I think having people on both councils is an inevitability, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
19:58 <+svulliez> The Political council heads will ideally be running committees as well if the party needs it.
19:59 <+JMcleod> So... moving on?
19:59 <+fp> +1
19:59 <+jhowell> yes
19:59 <+JohannWeiss> Agreed
20:00 <+MikeBleskie> Agreed.
20:00 <@scshunt> Ok
20:00 <@scshunt> Travis McCrea has asked to move back to the President
20:00 <@scshunt> is there any objection?
20:01 < psema4> none here
20:01 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I for one, do not object. :)
20:01 <+Sqratz> None.
20:01 <+jhowell> none here
20:01 <+malix> none
20:01 <+phillipsjk> I did not understand the question.
20:01 <+JohannWeiss> no objection
20:01 <@scshunt> phillipsjk: TravisMcCrea|Work would like us to go back to discussing the President
20:01 <+jhowell> ok
20:01 <+phillipsjk> ok.
20:02 <@scshunt> Ok, we will then move back to President, and onwards to Secretary afterward
20:02 <+Nuitari2> ok
20:03 <+Wilson> Go for it, Travis
20:03 < loki> hey
20:03 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Okay so I was reading over the logs of the last discussion, I saw that there was discussion about my suitedness for the political board vs the executive board. 
20:03 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> (still typing but I will try breaking it up so then you guys don't get bored and can interject)
20:04 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I don't feel that I am going to win the leadership position within the political board, I would love to. I feel that I would make a great candidate for the position, but I am going to assume I am going to more likely be just a normal board member. That's fine, but I feel that I have a lot of time, energy, and ideas that I can provide to the party that would be better in a leadership role.
20:06 <+svulliez> Are there any other candidates for President right now?
20:06 <+RLim> Sean Hunt 
20:06 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I am not trying to stroke my ego (too much), and I do agree that Mr Hunt is a GREAT person for the job, he has been doing it for a while, but even his acceptance of nomination seemed more like a "well if you guys want go ahead and vote for me", I on the other hand would like you to vote for me because I have a lot of energy to give.
20:06 <+JMcleod> Sean Hunt & Travis McCrea have been nominated
20:07 <+JohannWeiss> Travis: Would you still run for Leader if you win President?
20:07 <+TravisMcCrea|Work>  I made an office for party (and personal) use in my apartment and have it all decked out in pirate party colours and I am soon going to be buying either a button press or screen printer. I have been starting my own business and I know how to do paperwork and keep things organized which I realize is going to be more of the job for leader than what the political board would be (which is more frontl
20:07 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> ine)
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20:08 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> yes I would still run for leader, because I feel that I would make a good political leader for the party. I think that I have what it takes to encourage and inspire great things within the party and would not want to limit myself or the party by not running. I feel that if I *had* both positions we could reduce the fears of the two positions stepping on toes or butting head
20:08 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> s
20:08 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> though I highly doubt that it would happen that way, let's be honest
20:08 < loki> TravisMcCrea|Work: I'd recommend a lazer printer. more professional, and cheaper to make lots of copies.
20:08 <+svulliez> By the way, Jake Daynes is having trouble getting on his phone and asked me to tell you guys he was going to miss this one.
20:09 <+Nuitari2> one of the things I'd prefer is to have 1 hat per person
20:09 <+Nuitari2> we can't keep having a few people do everything until they burn out
20:09 <+svulliez> I think having Travis be both would be bad.
20:09 <+svulliez> ^
20:09 < loki> I sometimes wear three, hats, but often two,  frequently both my pirate and wizard hat.
20:09 <+Nuitari2> Travis: Do you prefer PR or bureaucracy?
20:09 <+DLS> Nuitari2: agreed
20:10 <+LynnB> Having one person in both positions would be bad.
20:10 <+svulliez> Decentralization is important, our new structure needs to focus on allowing volunteers to live full and happy lives.
20:10 <+psema4> +1K
20:10 <+MikeBleskie> Yes, burnout is a difficult, difficult thing
20:11 < loki> Yes, my experience is, I like to delegate as much as possible.
20:11 <+chiggsy> Definitely true re: burnout. You're always the last to know.
20:11 < loki> and do meditation, and relaxation excersize, with a variety of diverse activites.
20:11 <+Nuitari2> loki are you applying to the exec board?
20:11 <+svulliez> heh, yeah. Meditation is pretty cool.
20:11 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I agree with you entirely Shawn, and that is part of my platform as leader is to inspire people to take up the flag and just do things within the party without the feeling of being stiffled as we have been in the past. That being said, if you guys think that one person per position, then vote for me in this.. and if I win then I will not accept the leadership position within the other. I do feel t
20:11 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> hat I would be a greater asset in the PB but have a realistic view of my chances of taking that position. 
20:12 <@scshunt> loki: Are you a member?
20:12 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> and I don't want my drive and abilities not to be taken advantage of
20:12 <+jhowell> agreed!! itd be awesome as a personal goal but being the only one doing critical thinking and decision making..its tough
20:12 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> in their most fullest form
20:12 < loki> I'm a pirate party member,  and I feel that I could benefit the executive board,  helping to get agreed upon things manifest.
20:12 <@scshunt> loki: Are you signed in?
20:12 <+psema4> scshunt: loki -> https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1583.0
20:13 <+jhowell> Travis, if I may ask, how old are you?
20:13 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I will be 22 next month
20:14 < loki> I'm 24
20:14 <+DLS> loki: and are you signed in?
20:14 <+jhowell> someone with youth can benefit from both roles. you learn time organization and allocation through the school of hard knocks
20:14 < loki> DLS: signed in to what? the forums, ya, am viewing recently linked topic.
20:14  * psema4 will be afk for ~10m
20:14 <@scshunt> loki: The meeting
20:15 <+svulliez> The difference between Travis and Sean is clear. My fear is that Travis is a little bit too foolhardy. My fear is Sean may a little bit too bureaucratic. Will the two of you- no matter who is made Leader- strive to be a little more like one another in the future? :D
20:15 <@scshunt> loki: https://meetings.pirateparty.ca/login.php
20:15 <+RLim> loki: check your e-mail
20:15 <+chiggsy>  Travis, you are 21
20:15 <+DLS> svulliez: we're all a bit "too something"
20:15 <+chiggsy> I am 43, but actually only 42 for next couple weeks
20:15 <+svulliez> No doubt, but we can work too improve ourselves collaboratively.
20:15 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> chiggsy: yes, that's what I said. :)
20:16 <+DLS> svulliez: actually running for, and being in, any of those higher spot generaly forces a change of self, ye
20:16 <@scshunt> loki: Do you wish to nominate anyone, including yourself?
20:16 <+khoover> i feel alone as U20...
20:16 <+svulliez> Ideally the pirate party should be able to groom one another socially and refine the collective political ideas and debate skills of all.
20:17 <@scshunt> svulliez: I think that I should.
20:17 <+malix> svuilliez: well said
20:17 <+jhowell> at 22 i accomplished a lot more than i do at 30. I'm still able to pull off a boatload of multi-tasking but speaking on a matter of truth---I hammered through 10 hours of pure thinking and physical endurance, and i am about to pass right out. :) leading people while focusing on other duties, you get tired. even if its the best job in the world. :)
20:18 <+DLS> +1 @ passing out
20:18 <+svulliez> I do think that both Travis and Sean could make excellent party presidents.
20:18 <+chiggsy> The question is not about how much you can do, but how much you can inspire others to do
20:18 <+jhowell> quality, not quantity. I cannot stress that enough.
20:18 <+JMcleod> Yeah but the problem is there can only be one. One to rule them all!
20:18 <+JMcleod> oh wait, wrong story :P
20:18 <+svulliez> It's important to remember that the power is much more decentralized now than before, and the relative power of president is roughly the same as everyone else on the political board.
20:18 <+jhowell> People here, seem to think Travis would be best in a PR role. I don't have enough background to say either way.. but Travis do you agree or disagree with htis statement?
20:19 <+svulliez> So while it seems like a big deal, the president is going to be more responsible for tone of the board than other things.
20:19 <@scshunt> An aside: We do not, presently, have an adequate voting system for this election. I've hacked something together at http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/ppca-vote.txt which I would like to use; I am posting the code so that the concerned types here can inspect it.
20:19 <+loki> sure so I'll nominate myself for member of executive board.
20:19 <+jhowell> still svuilliez, even though its not a powerful role, you still have people looking at you for guidance
20:19 <@scshunt> loki: We are currently doing president
20:20 <+loki> scshunt: I think it would be nice if we could merge the online party into the pirate party. 
20:20 <+malix> scshunt: reviewing code
20:20 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Sorry for my late reply I am just trying to figure out how to make my reply
20:20 <+loki> they haven't registered yet, and they have some really nice voting software.
20:20 <@scshunt> loki: Do you want to nominate yourself for President?
20:20 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I am better at PR, that is for sure. I guess I am simply ready to help out wherever I can in the best way I know how.
20:20 <+DLS> i nominate loki as President
20:20 <@scshunt> ok
20:20 <+loki> :-)
20:20 <+jhowell> I think if u feel you are better at something in your gut
20:20 <@scshunt> Andrii Zvorygin is nominated
20:20 <+jhowell> you should persue and sharpen your skills at that
20:21 <+svulliez> jhowell: That's true. In that case I think Travis is more inspiring in a "Get out there and do something" kind of way. Sean is more inspiring in a distinguished "Let's do this very properly." kind of way.
20:21 <+lcameron> scshunt: code looks fine to me
20:21 <+jhowell> thats what I took from the forum too. 
20:21 <+phillipsjk> scshunt, does the constitution require a secret ballot?
20:21 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> lol svulliez "Travis doesn't care how horrible a job they do..."
20:21 <+malix> scshunt: maybe a check for empties, since you can only vote once for all three?
20:22 <@scshunt> phillipsjk: yes
20:22 <+svulliez> Although I have seen Sean be a bit pedantic and Travis a bit underprepared.
20:22 <@scshunt> malix: good idea
20:22 <+svulliez> Both are good choices IMO.
20:22 <+jhowell> no way we can make this a joint- chair eh?
20:22 <+chiggsy> code looks ok ...
20:23 <@scshunt> jhowell: A bad idea
20:23 <+svulliez> They could both still be members of the council, if the rejected parties head Boards
20:23 <+jhowell> We put Travis and Sean in a room together and they can't come out until they are balanced with each others traits lol
20:23 <+Wilson> The party can use both of them but since Sean is only running here and Travis still has a good chance of being leader/dep. leader I would go with Sean for prez.
20:23 <+loki> well we could expand the number of voting positions of the executive board, if we'd like it to have more members.
20:24 <+khoover> odd, i can vaguely understand what the code's doing, despite not knowing a word of php...
20:24 <+svulliez> It's already theoretically infinite loki
20:24 <+khoover> or sql
20:24 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> svulliez: query
20:24 <+malix> jhowell: we need that machine from"The fly"
20:24 <+loki> svulliez: on the forums I was informed that only the pres, vic-pres, and secr are voting positions.
20:24 <+jhowell> yes.
20:24 <+jhowell> Sean puts a great deal of order in things
20:25 <+jhowell> sure, bureaucratically heavy might be a truth
20:25 <@scshunt> loki: That was my mistake; I had forgotten that the chairs of standing committees are also voting positions
20:25 <+jhowell> but really, i'd rather this than the opposite
20:25 <@scshunt> at present, we only have one; the IT Director
20:25 <+svulliez> In the constitution heads of other boards are voting positions. Additionally the leader/ deputy leader
20:25 <+jhowell> not implying travis would
20:25 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I am not as detail oriented as scshunt that is a fact
20:25 <+svulliez> I think Sean may be a better choice for president because of that
20:25 <+malix> scshunt: do you trust mysql_real_escape_string(), in case I vote for ";DROP DATABASE"
20:25 <+jhowell> I think so.
20:25 <+svulliez> But I think Travis should head the fundraising board.
20:26 <+khoover> jhowell, i'd prefer the prez to be the pencil-pusher, while the leader is the guy with a megaphone.
20:26 <@scshunt> malix: Yes.
20:26 <+svulliez> And therefore be on the executive council.
20:26 <@scshunt> malix: That is what it is for
20:26 <+jhowell> Bingo!
20:26 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I think that is true, while I *do* have a lot to bring to the executive board... and I could make a great leader. I think the day-to-day operation might need more "structure" than I am willing to give
20:26 <+loki> I like writing, and have experience formating documents, citing sources, and reviewing lawful acts.
20:26 <+svulliez> Travis has a history of great fundraising ideas and he's not afraid to get out ther.
20:26 <+malix> khoover: I share that view
20:27 <+jhowell> If Sean enjoys pushing pencil and Travis enjoys megaphoning, 
20:27 <+loki> I follow 3 calendars, including Julian, Mayan, and Hexadecimal.
20:27 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I would like to formally withdraw my request, and hear out Loki
20:27 <+malix> svulliez: great suggestion
20:27 <+khoover> and my philosophy teacher complains about my rhetoric...
20:27 <+DLS> loki: how long have you been a member for?
20:27 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> but would rather put my name back into the hat if loki withdraws too... just so that there is some form of democracy here ;)
20:28 <+loki> DLS: er about a year or so.
20:28 <+loki> though I've had a pirate hat for a while, didn't join for long time since there was membership fee.
20:28 <+JMcleod> Dont forget 1 thing guys. If the party decides something during a meeting, the executive board must do all it its power to get it done and the political board must do it. So all ideas count. The only thing that can effectively block one is a lack of funds really. 
20:28 <+jhowell> i'm like you Loki
20:28 <+loki> :-) *hugs*
20:28 <@scshunt> Ok, Travis has expressed his desire to withdraw his nomination. Since he can still be elected without consent (although he can then decline the position), anyone may insist that he be on the ballot. Is there any objection to Travis' nomination being withdrawn?
20:29 <+svulliez> He literally has a pirate hat. :D
20:29 <+jhowell> none.
20:29 <+jhowell> I joined day 1, but  ithink i only started paying dues a little while ago
20:29 <+svulliez> there will be no objection.
20:29 <+DLS> face it guys, that membership card is sofa king cool.
20:29 <+malix> $prezarray.remove('travis')
20:29 <@scshunt> Ok, seeing no objection, the nomination is withdrawn. Any more comment?
20:29 <+jhowell> i still have not gotten mine :(
20:30 <+DLS> Nuitari2: send the man his membership card!
20:30 <+loki> o
20:30 <@scshunt> (source updated)
20:30 <+Nuitari2> working on it
20:30 <@scshunt> Ok, seeing no more comment on the position of President, we will move on to Secretary
20:30 <@scshunt> Nominations or discussion?
20:30 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Nuitari2: has a child who probably likes chewing on the membership cards more ;) 
20:31 <+loki> ya, programming, it's great, I love how we have IRC, forums, and a group of avid coders :-)
20:31 <+JohannWeiss> Nominate Ric Lim
20:31 <+Wilson> I nominate Ric Lim
20:31 <+Wilson> -_-
20:31 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> >.>
20:31 <+JohannWeiss> I beat you to it
20:31 <+JMcleod> I did not get a membership card, but more importantly, I would rather the party keep all the money from it, especially if its plastic, a material I am not too fond of using for non-practical purposes.
20:31 <+jhowell> send a pdf at least :)
20:31 <+DLS> *cough* some leaders should update their plateforms :P
20:31 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> JMcleod: you think that now, the cards are super sexy
20:32 <@scshunt> Please keep discussion focused on the Secretary
20:32 <+DLS> TravisMcCrea|Work: wait 'til your name starts wearing off :~
20:32 <+DLS> sorry sir!
20:32 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Wait on secretary? did we discuss loki for president?
20:32 <+khoover> since we have a couple coders, who should be familiar with computers, is running at 95*C near constant a bad thing?
20:32 <@scshunt> TravisMcCrea|Work: We were discussing President generally
20:33 <+svulliez> loki hasn't shared a presidential platform, he doesn't seem particularly interested in it over other things.
20:33 <+svulliez> I think he may be best fit to head a board as well in the future.
20:33 <+malix> khoover: for making coffee yes, for chips not so good: absolute max temperature for the Intel Core i5 mobile processor is 105°C
20:33 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Well at least one question: Loki why do you feel you would be better than Sean being executive leader?
20:33 <+JMcleod> I like jhowells PDF card idea really :P
20:34 <+chiggsy>  running at 95C is bad yes
20:34 <+phillipsjk> khoover: depends on the quality of the heatsink
20:34 <@scshunt> Order, please.
20:34 <+chiggsy> open a window
20:34 <+khoover> malix, oh, good, i'll keep that in mind, seeing as that's the one i have
20:34 <+loki> well, from my understanding, the president executive's role, is to make sure the things passed at meetings are acted on.
20:34 <@scshunt> Let's keep this on topic
20:34 <+DLS> teh s-e-c-r-e-t-a-r-y
20:34 <@scshunt> We are currently discussing the position of Secretary; if members wish to revisit president, it would be best to do that after dealing with secretary
20:34 <+svulliez> I suppose loki should extrapolate in his presidential thread.
20:34 <@scshunt> some of us would like to get to bed eventually
20:34 <+DLS> scshunt: +1
20:35 <+svulliez> Ric Lim has been a great interim secretary.
20:35 <+loki> k so secretary
20:35 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Fair enough. :) secretary
20:35 <+svulliez> I withdrew my application with him in mind.
20:36 <+JMcleod> So I would like to propose Ric Lim as secretary
20:36 <@scshunt> Is there any more discussion?
20:36 <+DLS> no
20:36 <@scshunt> JMcleod: Ric has already been nominated :)
20:36 <+JohannWeiss> No discussion here
20:36 <@scshunt> Ok. Do members wish to revisit President or proceed to a vote?
20:36 <+JohannWeiss> vote
20:36 <+Nuitari2> vote
20:37 <+svulliez> I have met Ric in person and he is a very friendly nice man to boot.
20:37 <+DLS> vote
20:37 <+khoover> vote
20:37 <+Wilson> preceed to vote. Nothing new was really being discussed
20:37 <+malix> vote
20:37 <+LynnB> vote
20:37 <@scshunt> Ok. Since we don't have a good auth system set up; please bear with me while I populate the user database.
20:37 <@scshunt> Since there is only one nominee for Secretary, I declare Ric Lim elected.
20:38  * DLS claps
20:38 <@scshunt> Is there any objection to a short recess while I populate the database?
20:38 <+JohannWeiss> no
20:38 <+DLS> define 'short'
20:39 <+Nuitari2> no
20:39 <+Sqratz> None.
20:39 <+malix> scshunt: to script or not to script, that is te question
20:39 <@scshunt> DLS: a few minutes
20:39 <+RLim> no
20:39 <+psema4> no, but malix++
20:39 <+malix> scshunt: we could just all email you...
20:39 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I object to your needing time to setup our election system and request that we all just raise our hands
20:39 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> ;)
20:39 <+DLS> if short = few then ok
20:39 <@scshunt> malix: I've got a system; gimme a sec
20:39 <+svulliez> Can I motion to have a short discussion during this recess, perhaps party related?
20:39 <+phillipsjk> Malix, but do you trust the computer?
20:39 <@scshunt> Ok, we will have a short recess.
20:40 <@scshunt> The meeting is recessed; do whatever you like until I call it back to order.
20:40 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I second shawn if needed
20:40 <+malix> phillipsjk: inherently, if I operate it
20:40 <+svulliez> Has anyone heard of interesting publicity stunts or campaigns by activist groups or political parties we ould copy?
20:40 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Well have you seen my post on the liberals video?
20:40 <+lcameron> blackout the website maybe?
20:40 <+phillipsjk> malix: must be nice :)
20:40 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I think it's ripe for a nice parody
20:40 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1674.0
20:41 <+CCitizen> Yeah... when Greenpeace dropped that banner over Parliamentary Buildings :D
20:41 <+malix> phillipsjk: it does exactly what it's told :)
20:41 <+DLS> CCitizen: what do you think of Greenpeace's status w/ the federal ?
20:41 < Sexyg> I don't know if you want to tread into illegal territory 
20:41 <+RLim> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czKY3Hnbevs
20:41 < Sexyg> -if
20:41 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Maybe use their video and do our own dubbed audio?
20:41 <+CCitizen> Too bad all the good publicity stunts get you landed in cuffs
20:42 <+khoover> CCitizen, like running around a baseball diamond dressed as a pirate/
20:42 <+psema4> svuilliez: i'd like to fly a formation of open source quadrocopters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrotor), in the shape of a ppca flag during media events
20:42 <+malix> svuilliez: TPP and Free Trade with Europe are nice IP-controversial topics for an action
20:42 <+chiggsy>  malix The days of inherent trust in computers is over.
20:42 <+malix> chiggsy: I agree, I just trust mine :P
20:42 <+CCitizen> There's already a team called the pirates already :D
20:43 <+chiggsy> only unices do what they are told, and they still tell everybody else way too much
20:43 <+svulliez> psema4: that's badass.
20:43 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> psema4: maybe we could just get two of those and hang a pirate party flag from them?
20:43 <+svulliez> I like the idea of building a brand of 'technological badassery'
20:43 <+psema4> still working out kinks in the concept, but i'll post my take on the idea in the forums soon
20:44 <+lcameron> start a pirate radio station? go terreestial and online...
20:44 <+psema4> RIP piratepartyradio
20:44 <+malix> psema4: if you need help...
20:44 <+chiggsy> tech badassery sounds good
20:45 <+chiggsy> getting quite tiresome, asking, no, begging for things we could just do
20:45 <+Sqratz> Apparently the German Pirate party used to go streaking with flags.
20:45 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I think that a lot of our ideas are so big that they are awesome to think about but we never actually do them. I am all for technological badassery as well, but I would prefer to just get a whole bunch of normal people to think about our important platforms like drug patents and such.
20:45 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Sqratz: they wore underwear
20:45 <+svulliez> hah, yeah to protest the body scanners Sqratz, I saw that.
20:46 <+loki> well we could technically have lawful pirate radio for freedom of expression, broadcasting open-source creative-commons stuff. 
20:46 <+Sqratz> Well I'll take my clothes off without a reason.
20:46 <+phillipsjk> That reminds me: I heard bomb-sniffing validators are comming to Edmonton Transit.
20:46 <+svulliez> chiggsy: Would you be opposed to being nominated for the political board?
20:46 <+jhowell> no amt of badassery will ever result in my streaking
20:46 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I would much rather us organize flier handout meetups, where we get in a group and then start canvassing the streets with fliers explaining the pirate party or a current event that the Pirate Party has a stance on
20:46 <+Sqratz> If the pirate party tells me it's okay I'd be more than willing.
20:47 <+svulliez> haha I too would follow on the issue of streaking but definitely not lead
20:47 <+RLim> TravisMcCrea that's something we should definitely do
20:47 <+svulliez> TravisMcCrea|Work: Sounds good to me, just need some awesome pamphlets
20:47 < Sexyg> While streaking.
20:47 <+loki> I've been to a bunch of pool/lake parties with skinny dipping.
20:48 <+malix> I'm biased but I like a technological/online approach, something that goes viral...
20:48 <+Sqratz> Xirus had made a webapp that creates flyers for the pirate party.
20:48 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I mean the other ideas sound cool, but my focus is on realistic direct campaign efforts that bring attention to us in a less radical way. If everything we do is "big" then people are only going to remember us as the radical party.
20:48 <+jhowell> haha yeah
20:48 <+psema4> TravisMcCrea|Work: I absolutely agree
20:48 <+svulliez> I think we're going to see a lot of action like that (flier distribution) once the councils are up and restaffed and moving
20:48 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I want us to be seen as a legitimate alternate vote to the other guys
20:48 <+jhowell> no one votes for the naked politician
20:48 <+RLim> we should brainstorm about an awesome flyer
20:48 <+loki> we could have a showcase community, that has pirate policies.
20:48 <+CCitizen> Maybe they should :D then you can make sure some big business execs arent all up their ass
20:48 <+malix> TravisMcCrea|Work: agreed, build a brand
20:49 <+svulliez> This may be an unpopular opinion, but I'm not particularly uncomfortable with being seen as "radical" while we have the FPTP system.
20:49 < F50> Travis: That would be awesome, but more likely we'll be a legitimate alternative to the pot party
20:49 <+DLS> our flier should be ascii
20:49  * DLS looks @ thor
20:49 <+jhowell> haha i like ascii!!
20:49 <+loki> or we could offer to represent some existing intentional communities, helping them with political/municipal negotiations.
20:49 <+RLim> lol
20:49 <+malix> FPTP sucks!
20:49 < F50> Affirmative!
20:49 <+svulliez> Not as radical as say greenpeace or hardcore activist groups
20:49 <+DLS> jhowell: same w/ the mailist list imo :)
20:49 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> F50: only because that's how we view ourselves. I believe we *CAN* win an election. It's going to take a lot of hard work, strategy, and sadly money
20:49 <+CCitizen> You know... if you actually got the 18-30 demographic out there and voting we might be able to capture some seats
20:49 < F50> oh goodness, no. Not greenpeace
20:50 <+svulliez> but I think we can walk the line with a bit of satire and extremism and get people talking.
20:50 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> but we can and we WILL win an election, even in FPTP 
20:50 <+phillipsjk> DLS++
20:50 <+malix> Cons won with 38% of expressed votes and < 30% overall able-to-vote pop
20:50 <+JohannWeiss> How many of you agree with Mixed-Member-Proportional?
20:50 <+jhowell> Baby steps
20:50 <+lcameron> lol 'Cons' is right
20:50 <+svulliez> I'm in favor, but I am in favor of every alternative to FPTP
20:50 <+CCitizen> Anything has to be better than FPTP :D
20:50 <+jhowell> beat out those weird ass religious based fringe parties
20:50 <+RLim> is there still interest in hosting the Pirapte Party International Conference?
20:50 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I am a huge fan of MMP but we can hardly get STV passed, let alone MMP
20:50 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> at least STV isn't that much different than what you do today
20:50 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I have been building a website 123stv.ca
20:51 < F50> Mixed member proportional would be nice, but personally I think MMP is for those who really cling to the idea of linking seats to geography
20:51 <+JohannWeiss> I think MMP is much easier then STV
20:51 <+svulliez> That's a silly thing to say IMO, STV is complicated as heck
20:51 <+svulliez> (TravisMcCrea|Work )
20:51 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> svulliez: not for the voter
20:51 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> only for the counting process
20:51 <+psema4> simple is beautiful
20:51 <+svulliez> also, it required something like 66% approval and got more than 50% in BC
20:51 -scshunt:#canada- I've just PMed everyone their voting password
20:51 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Oh and sorry the URL is http://stv123.ca/
20:51 <@scshunt> http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/ppca-vote.php to vote
20:51 <+malix> JohannWeiss: it's better, I think MP should be able to get elected on issues alone, with no perse geographic connection
20:52 <+svulliez> MMP is much simpler on the level of explanation
20:52 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> scshunt: I didn't get anything
20:52 <+JMcleod> No PM here
20:52 < F50> Not quite up to what STV is but I prefer a more straight up proportional (with approval voting) approach
20:52 <+svulliez> also, in voting it is not very hard
20:52 <+svulliez> I'd like to see straight proportional representation too.
20:52 -scshunt:#canada- your username is your IRC nick
20:52 <+jhowell> voted
20:53 <+JMcleod> waiting on PM
20:53 < F50> sorry,, I'm a bit late, where is the place to vote?
20:53 <+DLS> http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/ppca-vote.php
20:53 <+JohannWeiss> Is it alright to continue chatting or should I be silent?
20:53 <@scshunt> F50: please sign in
20:53 <@scshunt> JohannWeiss: yes
20:54 <@scshunt> F50: and I'll get you a username and passkey
20:54 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> lol that's not an answer
20:54 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> he gave two options
20:54 <+malix> "Your vote has been recorded"
20:54 <+CCitizen> Ric Lim was made secretary right?
20:54 <@scshunt> keep chatting, we can vote in the recess
20:54 <+Wilson> Voted. and to those who pm'd me, sorry I didn't reply, scrolled down too far and didn't see em
20:54 <@scshunt> CCitizen: yes
20:54 <+RLim> done
20:54 <+jhowell> brb checkin my torrents
20:54 <+CCitizen> Ok just making sure
20:54 <+DLS> !addquote <+jhowell> brb checkin my torrents
20:55 <+svulliez> woah! copyright crime!
20:55 <+svulliez> 0_0
20:55 <+jhowell> lol 
20:55 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> it's easier to convince people "write down who you want to be PM in preference of who you like most to least" than "on this side, pick the party you like, on that side say who you want to be your local MP"
20:55 <+jhowell> hey, i just dl. Travis is the one with tormovies.org remember lol
20:55 <+CCitizen> How do you know he's not downloading Ubuntu 11.10? :D
20:56 <+malix> svulliez: there ARE some legal torrents out there :)
20:56 <+psema4> Here's some torrentz -> http://www.nerdcorenow.com/vb/content.php/285-Torrentz-The-Big-Kahuna
20:56 <+DLS> jhowell: http://www.youhavedownloaded.com/
20:56 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> tormovies.org is totally legal as well... or should be
20:56 < JohannWeiss> Travis: Lots of people want to understand how the voting is counted and it isn't easy to explain
20:56 <+jhowell> ;)
20:56 <+JohannWeiss> I took me an hour talking to my parents, who are both politically active.
20:56 <@scshunt> Has everyone voted who wants to vote?
20:56 <+malix> do we need local MP's? 
20:56 <+JohannWeiss> I've voted
20:56 < F50> Where is the bot login page? stenobot won't tell me?
20:56 <+LynnB> voted :)
20:56 <+lcameron> voted
20:57 <+svulliez> TravisMcCrea|Work: I don't think that voting MMP is more complicated than DTV
20:57 <+DLS> we'll be done by 22h EST, woohooo!
20:57 <+CCitizen> voted too
20:57 <+svulliez> *STV
20:57 <@scshunt> F50: https://meetings.pirateparty.ca/login.php
20:57 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> DTV?
20:57 <+malix> https://meetings.pirateparty.ca/login.php
20:57 <+JMcleod> Who has not voted that wishes to vote :) Perhaps easier this way.
20:57 <+svulliez> calling it now, sean and jack
20:57 <+malix> oups
20:57 <+F50> I'm just about to vote
20:58 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> >.> I voted "Travis" and "Travis" <3
20:58 <+svulliez> heh
20:58 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> (not really)
20:58 <+svulliez> I nearly wrote you in for vice president but I knew it would be worth nothing
20:58 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> lol I would laugh if everyone did that thinking "what the hell"
20:58 <+CCitizen> I voted ABC :D
20:58 <+loki> def
20:58 <+Wilson> I would like to take this chance to express my intention to bring this up at the next meeting(since I apparently can't at this one): https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1657.msg9832#msg9832
20:59 <+svulliez> I voted "Meat computer that rules mankind"
20:59 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Or no one wins because we all wrote random stuff in for the write in being the smartasses we normally ar
20:59 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> are*
20:59 <+F50> voted
20:59 <+jhowell> I'd have the same reaction if i won either. I'd also be very confused
20:59 <+lcameron> wait, I could have voted for bacon?
20:59 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> scshunt's system declares the winner to be "rock"
20:59 <@scshunt> haha
20:59 <+jhowell> lol
20:59 <+malix> Wilson: I like the intent
20:59 <+malix> the swiss do that
21:00 <+Wilson> scissors defeated again
21:00 <+DLS> good night y'all and congrats to our (future) winners <3
21:00 <+khoover> well, i voted for Sephiroth and Stallman.
21:00 <+JohannWeiss> Night
21:00 <+Nuitari2> nite dls
21:00 <+CCitizen> ABC = Anything But Conservative if anyone remembers the Newfoundland premier who was a member of the conservative party and spent part of the election trashing the federal conservatives hehe...
21:00 <+RLim> night dls
21:00 <+loki> sweet dreams :-)
21:00 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> <3 g'night DLS 
21:00 <+malix> Just choose lizard or spock
21:00 <+jhowell> nite
21:01 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Honestly, that is the other thing I want us to do though: push for election reform over everything else
21:01 <+chiggsy> cant vote
21:01 <+malix> CCitizen: I am against a switch of an elected MP to anything but independant
21:01 <+chiggsy> what password?
21:01 <@scshunt> chiggsy: see the PM
21:01 <+lcameron> + Malix
21:01 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> none of our other platforms matter at all if we can't actually get a seat in parliament and defend them. We need to make election reform the topic of the next election
21:01 <+jhowell> http://math-fail.com/wp-content/uploads/GksBP.jpg
21:02 <+lcameron>  +1 that is...
21:02 <+malix> Wilson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Dwxv-EMTM
21:02 <+JohannWeiss> Agreed Travis
21:02 <+CCitizen> BTW I'd like for this to be recorded in the log... The guy who wrote the SOPA law is already guilty of breaking it... http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/01/lamar_smith_sopa_copyright_violater.php
21:02 <+chiggsy> voted and thanks
21:02 <+jhowell> i can see that
21:03 <+jhowell> SOPA is a load of useless bureaucratic annoyance
21:03 <+jhowell> politicians have never heard of what a proxy is
21:03 <+malix> CCItizen: most SOPA and PIPA sponsor are running away from them like rats on a sinking ship
21:03 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Or at least that should be our choice... either we run and we run hard for one candidate in a riding that we might possibly win. We fundraise tons and tons of money and pump it all into that one riding... or we spend the next few years making election reform the topic of political conversation
21:03 <+chiggsy> No, SOPA means that we geeks have not made the case to the people
21:03 <+svulliez> 13 senators dropped out of PIPA today
21:03 <@scshunt> Ok, we appear to be having some issues with two people's votes
21:04 <+malix> Travis: like in Sweden!
21:04 <+chiggsy> anyway voted, thanks all got to get back to VPN testing
21:04 <@scshunt> the rest should still be valid though
21:04 <+jhowell> the people would still be on AOL if ISPs didn't see profit in internet
21:04 <+svulliez> the blackout has been a very big success
21:04 <+JohannWeiss> I had a thought of a tactic we could use if SOPA were passed. Find all the groups which supported it and post torrent links on their comments. Get them shutdown with their own law. Would it work? 
21:04 <+malix> chiggsy: test IRC through your VPN!
21:04 <+F50> You know
21:04 <+CCitizen> SOPA means that the MAFIAA organizations make too much profit
21:04 <+malix> svulliez: that and @obama finally coming out against it a few days back
21:05 <+F50> Perhaps an idea: don't necessairly pump tons of money into one election, although that would certainly help
21:05 <+CCitizen> If they can buy legislation they're obviously not hurting because of piracy
21:05 <+psema4> oddly enough, tpb is immune http://www.extremetech.com/computing/113275-the-pirate-bay-is-immune-to-sopa
21:05 <+jhowell> a lot of things are. 
21:05 <+F50> Just have all of those who would otherwise be canidates assist one of the canidates
21:05 <+malix> TPB is immuned to the revised form of SOPA, not the original
21:06 <+jhowell> if the internet started to suck
21:06 <+jhowell> someone would just make a new one
21:06 <+lcameron> umm... internet2.0, now with 3d boobs
21:06 <+loki> ya that's the plan.
21:06 <+F50> TPB is immune to any form of SOPA, since the magnetlink format should allow anyone to mirror it
21:06 <+MikeBleskie> I would ask to leave prematurely; I found out that there's been a death in my family.
21:06 <+svulliez> 3d boobs are already on the internet lcameron 
21:06 <+CCitizen> JohannWeiss: I actually considered pirating stuff and making our own DRM which because of enshrined digital locks would make them guilty of breaking the American DMCA and a bunch of other stuff SOPA would introduce
21:06 <+jhowell> we'd go back to the level of content we had back in the late 90's
21:06 <+F50> And if you store the IP address, it would be difficult to block it entirely
21:07 <+jhowell> but it'd come back quick enough
21:07 <+malix> F50: yeah but they could have yanked .org from them
21:07 <+loki> MikeBleskie: condolences
21:07 <+F50> sure, this is true
21:07 <+svulliez> Go for it MikeBleskie. Have a good one, as best you can.
21:07 <+lcameron> @svulliez true
21:07 <+MikeBleskie> Thank you.
21:07 <+CCitizen> ouch that sucks :(
21:07 <@scshunt> sorry for the difficulties :)
21:07 <+JohannWeiss> CCitizen: You think we could have their site shutdown or does that take to much legal funds?
21:07 <+malix> F50: but soon, you can hold ALL of TPB on a USB, since it's dropping .torrent suport
21:07 <@scshunt> and thanks for waiting
21:08 <+CCitizen> Doenst take much legal funds to get a scumbag lawyer to draw up a DMCA takedown notice
21:08 <+malix> scshunt: make sure that turbo button is pushed on your box...
21:08 <+RLim> lol
21:08 <+jhowell> make friends with IP lawyers
21:08 <+malix> CCitizen: agreed, one of the worst and most abused laws...
21:08 <+RLim> I am actually that old
21:09 <+JMcleod> Do you have white hair?
21:09 <+jhowell> they are funny little buggers
21:09 <+svulliez> https://twitter.com/#!/herpderpedia ahahaha
21:09 <+svulliez> OMG so pissed Obama shut down wikipedia!!
21:09 <+CCitizen> Alternatively you could get a Collection Agency Lawyer to send them one... they'll do anything for a buck
21:09 <+jhowell> oh my god this is an amazing twitter acct
21:09 <@scshunt> the best is "CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WTF SOPA IS. I DONT GET IT & WIKIPEDIA IS DOWN SO I CANT LOOK IT UP.
21:09 <+RLim> svulliez lol
21:10 <+malix> svulliez: probably read that off the crawing text on fox
21:11 <+svulliez> bullshit ass congress , took wikipedia , whats next?
21:11 <+loki> scshunt: it's the Stop Online Privacy Act,  allowing government to blacklist any site without due process.
21:11 <+RLim> lol loki: scshunt is quoting one of the tweet
21:12 <+JohannWeiss> Question about how we vote, what about folks who are at work and aren't able to muck around on IRC for a few hours?
21:12 <+CCitizen> LOL :D that's awesome, atleast google is still up they could type in SOPA there
21:12 <+loki> RLim: i don't twitter, it's a summary based on some websites and video's.
21:13 <@scshunt> JohannWeiss: Voting at the meeting is a lot more flexible; the idea behind voting at the meeting is that most members don't care about administrative people
21:13 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> svulliez: there are so many people on there that make me hate humanity
21:13 <@scshunt> Ok, voting issues resolved!
21:13 <+malix> JohannWeiss: alt-tab, seriously, we could have an email/IM/SMS solution...
21:13 -scshunt:#canada- I'm calling the meeting back to order
21:13 <+malix> issues? what is this Florida 2000? :P
21:13 -scshunt:#canada- Last chance before I close the polls: Does anyone else wish to vote?
21:13 <+malix> oups
21:13 <+khoover> reminds me, what did we set quorum to in constitution?
21:14 <@scshunt> 10 or 15, I forget which
21:14 <+khoover> well, suppose we got more than that, then.
21:14 <@scshunt> malix: One person was using the wrong URL and one person's browser didn't work
21:14 <@scshunt> Ok, I declare the polls closed.
21:14 <+svulliez> is it possible that 2 votes could swing either poll?
21:14 <+khoover> yeah
21:14 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> svulliez: https://twitter.com/#!/SianJenkins2/status/159708793117229056
21:15 *Vote was taken
21:15 <+svulliez> woot
21:16 <+malix> at 22:15, if the trend continues, CBC annouces that...
21:16 <@scshunt> There are clear majorities for Sean Hunt for President and Jack McLeod for Vice-President
21:16 <@scshunt> Congratulations.
21:16 <@scshunt> The next order of business is the election of the IT Director.
21:16 <+Sqratz> Wooo!
21:16 <+loki> svulliez: Congrats
21:16 <+khoover> i nominate psema4 for that one
21:16 <+malix> Bravo! And well done, Mr. President.
21:16 <+loki> or scshunt congrats
21:16 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> lol I wish I would have read the script... I would have made my vote for president as "LEEEEEEEEEROYYYYYY JENNNNKINNNSSS"
21:16 <@scshunt> Ok, Scott Elcomb is nominated for IT director
21:16 <+khoover> mr. president*
21:16 <+malix> scshunt: I nominate myself.
21:16 <+jhowell> I nominate myself
21:16 <@scshunt> malix: What is your name, again?
21:17 <@scshunt> jhowell: yours?
21:17 <+jhowell> Jeremy Howell
21:17 <+loki> woohoo, due process has occured.
21:17 <+JMcleod> You guys know IT is based on Gentoo
21:17 <+JMcleod> right?
21:17 <+malix> http://path.to/malix
21:17 <+jhowell> i have questions about the role first
21:17 <+loki> I used to use gentoo for a few years, 
21:17 <@scshunt> jhowell: Absolutely
21:17 <+phillipsjk> scshunt, if exactly two people are having trouble voting, maybe you switched the passwords?
21:17 <+jhowell> firstly, who is currently the director. Secondly why have they decided to step down. 
21:17 <+malix> sudo rm -rf *?
21:18 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> malix: dude no way... if you are doing it you do -rfv
21:18 <+svulliez> jhowell: it was nuitari, and he was wearing too many hats
21:18 <+khoover> phillipsjk, i doubt 2 votes would've swung it...
21:18 <@scshunt> jhowell: It was Nuitari effectively by fiat
21:18 <+jhowell> thirdly, description of duties, technologies involved and ideal skillset
21:18 <+lcameron> @malix, forgot sudo
21:18 <@scshunt> phillipsjk: It was not a password issue; as I said, one person was using a browser that didn't like it, one had the wrong URL
21:18 <+loki> I usually do rm -Rf 
21:19 <@scshunt> (Martin Alix and Jeremy Howell and Scott Elcomb are the candidates)
21:19 <+khoover> guys, guys, sudo chmod a-rwx works just as well
21:19 <+svulliez> Awesome, I'm glad to see you guys stepping up.
21:20 <+jhowell> IT's my thing.
21:20 <+lcameron> wait, a browser didn't line the voting page? ok, who's using lynx?
21:20 <+svulliez> If you do not win the IT head, are the three of you willing to start up the IT board together?
21:20 <+jhowell> yep.
21:20 <+jhowell> provided i am qualified
21:20 <+khoover> i'm in for the board, fyi
21:20 <+psema4> aye
21:20 <@scshunt> jhowell: The IT Director is apparently a member of the Executive Board, so would be expected to attend meetings. The Director is ultimately responsible to manage all the technological infrastructure of the Party, and chairs the IT Committee who is there to help him out
21:20 <+loki> khoover: but then it doesn't get overwritten by new files.
21:20 <+malix> sure.
21:20 <+Wilson> Link to Scott's platform: https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1661.0
21:20 <+khoover> loki, the point is you've bricked it.
21:21 <+loki> oh I thought we were talking about doing that for a folder.
21:21 <+khoover> ooooooh, we're not doing the creative brick contest?
21:21 <+jhowell> I don't want to overwhelm you with text. 
21:21 <+JohannWeiss> jhowell: Do you have a website or something we could read with your skills/ideas?
21:21 <+CCitizen> We're back on the meeting people... Also it would have been nice if some people stepping forward had posted their experience and intentions on what they'd change with the IT infrastructure.
21:21 <+svulliez> https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1608.0
21:21 <+loki> I've been using linux for a decade or so now, thought we were discussing system administration.
21:21 <+jhowell> Link to my resume; http://goo.gl/cjoFZ and my LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=16611275&trk=tab_pro
21:21 <+jhowell> anything you wish me to voice, i'll be happy to talk about
21:22 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I would like us to switch to activisr when Falkvinge releases the code next month
21:22 <+malix> http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=12998918&trk=tab_pro
21:22 <@scshunt> I will be away for a moment
21:22 <+malix> and this again: http://path.to/malix
21:22 <+jhowell> coles notes: Currently an IT Project Manager, 10yrs business experience within multiple industries
21:23 <+svulliez> TravisMcCrea|Work: What is that?
21:23 <+svulliez> Here's the link to the thread where future website ideas were being proposed:
21:23 <+svulliez> https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1608.0
21:23 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> svulliez: a campaign / user management system that has text message integration and all sorts of other meeting facilitation tools
21:23 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> it's what PPSE and the like use
21:23 <+khoover> I'm only putting myself up for the committee, not leadership; currently in high school, graduating in summer, top-in-class of prior comp sci courses (100s in both), taking AP math, and know remarkably little about IT. Quick to learn, however.
21:24 <+svulliez> Scott Elcomb seems to be campaigning on a redesign
21:24 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> svulliez: for our front end, yes... and that DOES need serious work too
21:24 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> but they should be done in unison :D
21:24 <+svulliez> I believe a redesign is needed- we should have the best political party website
21:24 <+svulliez> I agree
21:24 <+svulliez> I'd like to know more about this thing the PPSE uses, any links TravisMcCrea|Work ?
21:24 <+malix> I'm currently consulting for my firm (malix.com) with Desjardins
21:25 <+psema4> TravisMcCrea: I'd like to learn more too; that's my drive for my libertatia project
21:25 <+jhowell> I see the point of a leadership as a Director, as someone who controls the phases of projects and the general direction of the infrastructure. I can't compete with the actual technical skillset of developers or solutions architects, however
21:26 <+phillipsjk> lcameron: nailed it. (lynx)
21:27 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> svulliez: read Activizr http://falkvinge.net/2012/01/15/my-plans-for-2012/
21:27 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> psema4: ^
21:27 <+malix> jhowell: I see your point but  having worked in this industry for > 15 y, I have seen to many "non-technical" PM actually screw up projects because they did not understand or follow the technology
21:28 <+svulliez> wow thats incredibly awesome travis
21:28 <+malix> lynx!? nice! I should have voted with curl... :P
21:28 <+jhowell> I agree with you. depends what the technical needs are
21:28 <+JohannWeiss> Travis: Looks good, can't wait to see it
21:29 <+jhowell> you've got 5yrs on me
21:29 <+CCitizen> i'd personally like to see Scott's ideas come to the forefront but it looks like we have plenty of people who could help on an IT Committee. As for non-technical... I dont think we have anyone that's entirely clueless in the party
21:29 <+malix> CCItizen: of course, I guess I was ranting on my last project :D
21:30 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I believe that a leader on an IT project doesn't have to be the most skilled at IT jobs... as long as they know the basics.
21:30 <+jhowell> For instance
21:30 <+jhowell> I'm currently conducting a 400 desktop rollout @ Ford in Oakville, with 6 other contractors who i have never worked with before, nor have they worked with each other
21:30 <+malix> Travis: you can be both!
21:30 <+jhowell> getting them to be coordinated is the biggest hurdle
21:31 <+psema4> jhowell: if you stop by gate 4, please let them know I said hi!  :-)
21:31 <+CCitizen> We need more people on the forums though... it's more convenient for things like discussing what people plan to do and what not
21:31 <+jhowell> haha sure. I'm mainly working within the Admin building
21:31 <+JohannWeiss> It sounds like all 3 candidates have enough technical skill - management of a project is the unknown factor
21:32 <+svulliez> I'm curious to know the potential IT directors position on making our internal communications such as the forums members-only?
21:32 <+RLim> do you guys prefer mailing list for collaborating oin a project?
21:32 <+khoover> wow. I think i can safely leave the remainder of my precis for tomorrow.
21:32 <+RLim> *on
21:32 <+svulliez> And redirecting non-members to social media such as facebook,twitter and reddit for comments/suggestions/questions.
21:32 <+psema4> I think jhowell has me beat there as a certified pmp
21:32 <+malix> I turned down development manager for expedia.ca last month, but was deemed qualified by them to head a 30+ team
21:32 <+CCitizen> As for IT stuff... I'm happy to offer my help to whoever ends up running things but my skills are a bit rusty/entry level
21:32 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> malix: SOMETIMES. It's the exception to the rule though, most programmers I know get really wrapped up in what THEY are doing, and it's hard to share responsibility with other people.
21:32 <+jhowell> I personally don't use forums
21:33 <+Sqratz> I feel the same way as CCitizen
21:33 <+jhowell> coordination & communication is better in a mailing list format. having a whiteboard session for meetings
21:34 <+jhowell> sharing documentation via something like google docs
21:34 <+jhowell> ohh not certified yet psema4!! 
21:34 <+malix> I've also worked at vodafone.co.uk, helping the CIO's office determine, clarify and expose their intranet vision
21:34 <+jhowell> don't get mislead
21:34 <+jhowell> I have enough project hours to take the test, but i want to finish my cert at humber first
21:35 <+jhowell> just makes me feel more prepped
21:35 <+psema4> jhowell: ah, k
21:35 <+svulliez> Seems you're all quite competent and willing to do it, is there any objection to allowing the three to work in horizontal partnership, and internally decide between the three of them who is most fit to participate in exec meetings?
21:35 <+malix> jhowell: google docs is pretty amazing now that they've merge wave's tech in it...
21:35 <@scshunt> svulliez: That cannot be done at this meeting; the committee needs a chairperson.
21:35 <+malix> Sure!
21:35 <+malix> May I had trilingual as an asset ;)
21:35 <+khoover> 3 bosses and me. :P sounds lovely.
21:35 <+malix> add
21:36 <+jhowell> malix: My mail domain runs off of google apps, I share all my documentation thru my company using docs, right after seeing a demo at a seminar @ google in Toronto. :)
21:36 <+svulliez> scshunt:  Is that because the constitution calls for a vote? Is it possible to vote for one and have him be switched out after a few months?
21:36 <+phillipsjk> malix: c doesn't count.
21:36 <+malix> khoover has a point, the team might be small so you need someone who can both participate in exec AND work on the metal...
21:36 <+LynnB> I'd agree with that, svuliez
21:36 <+svulliez> (If the board agrees upon it)
21:37 <+jhowell> From what I see, it draws down to this
21:37 <+svulliez> I don't know a lot about these guys and I'd rather not vote against any of them.
21:37 <+JohannWeiss> I'm with svulliez, but if we have to vote, we could just elect one of them and let them act like a group
21:37 <+malix> philipsk: lol, if I coun't computer laguages, we'll need a script
21:37 <@scshunt> svulliez: No, it is because there is only one position
21:37 <@scshunt> svulliez: It could be filled with one who was swapped out after a short while
21:37 <+jhowell> Malix looks like he's on the software side, and has adequately shown he has taken leadership positions in his 15yr career
21:37 <+malix> JohannWeiss: It is a team player position indeed
21:37 <@scshunt> One option would be to appoint them all to the committee and let the committee decide
21:37 <+svulliez> scshunt: Do we have enough participants to amend the constitution right now? :)
21:38 <@scshunt> svulliez: No, notice is required
21:38 <+khoover> XD
21:38 <+svulliez> ^^
21:38 <+jhowell> I'm on the hardware/infrastructure side, and I have also adequately shown to take on projects in my 10yr career
21:38 <+svulliez> thats sounds awesome to me, having the committee internally vote after starting on their projects
21:38 <+malix> Email.create(Notice).send(Members.all); oups...
21:38 <+CCitizen> Just curious... if google docs isnt used what would you use instead... because some people in the party and associated with the party seem to have a mild to moderate dislike of all things google
21:39 <+malix> I was also Student Body president at UQAM's admin faculty, if that helps, so I like these proceedings... :)
21:39 <+phillipsjk> not dislike..distrust.
21:39 <+psema4> CCitizen piratepad
21:39 <+jhowell> i'm sure there are plenty of free cloud based document sharing. :P 
21:39 <+jhowell> Don't get me wrong.. always keep your own copies
21:40 <@scshunt> Is there any objection to appointing Martin Alix, Scott Elcomb, Jeremy Howell, and Ken Hoover to the IT Committee, and referring the selection of an IT Director to the Committee?
21:40 <+malix> CCitizen: we can host our own version of something lke wave or MediaWiki or other
21:40 <+JohannWeiss> no
21:40 <+jhowell> I like that solution scshunt. 
21:40 <+malix> no objection 
21:40 <+LynnB> Nope
21:40 <+jhowell> we'll work better as a team. 
21:40 <+lcameron>  +1 scshunt
21:40 <+CCitizen> That seems reasonable
21:40 <+malix> we'll use: rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock!
21:40 <+psema4> works here
21:40 <+JMcleod> I think perhaps having a temporary director to refer to would be a good idea
21:41 <+JMcleod> Just so its not empty
21:41 <+svulliez> Who of the three is able to attend monday evening meetings in the short-term?
21:41 <+jhowell> well i wonder if the current director would remain in the position if its just a figurehead for now
21:41 <+jhowell> monday's great for me
21:41 <+malix> Nuitari is idle
21:42 <@scshunt> Nuitari is not formally the IT Director
21:42 <+psema4> I could make the meetings
21:42 <+CCitizen> Put Scott as temporary IT director and let them sort out permanent one in the first meeting
21:42 <+malix> I'm online 16h a day :) so anytime is fine...
21:42 <+jhowell> lol
21:42 <+jhowell> lucky guy
21:42 <+khoover> i'm usually online/away 24/7
21:42 <+jhowell> I'm up to my ears in A+ techs..
21:42 <@scshunt> hrm
21:43 <+malix> jhowell: certs will killya! :)
21:43 <+lcameron>  +1 malix
21:43 <@scshunt> Um, ok, so where are we, got distracted by my laptop's harddrive failing ><
21:43 <+jhowell> lol not talkin about the certs.. talking about the grunts 
21:43 <+jhowell> well why don't we vote in someone anyhow
21:44 <+jhowell> with the intent of just having someone to organize it all
21:44 <+phillipsjk> I decided that I didn't want A+ after learning the CompTIA lobbied for the legal protection of DRM.
21:44 <+malix> scshunt: they have deals on good SDD this week
21:44 <+CCitizen> I wish I could find a job... I dont have an A+  but I spent 2 years in College getting a diploma
21:44 <+svulliez> as a temp, I'd nominate malix, since he has the largest web presence
21:44 <@scshunt> Oh, right, I remember. I was looking up the rules
21:44 <+malix> CCitizen: do something with an OSS project to get more experience instead of a cert
21:45 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> btw I encourage all of you to check out http://tuebl.com we were forced to launch our beta version early after an unfortunate chain of events that started with a DDoS
21:45 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> So if anyone has input that would be helpful :)
21:45 <+malix> DDoS!? where are you hosting it?
21:45 <+malix> is that Twitter Bootstrap :D
21:46 <+malix> scshunt: wrt failing HD: dropbox is your friend!
21:46 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> malix: my design? no. Though I do love bootstrap and use it for other projects
21:46 <+jhowell> take notes khoover ;)
21:46 <+malix> svuilliez: thank you, and a flexible schedule... love being my own boss :)
21:46 <@scshunt> Ok, I think that we have the power to appoint the IT Director to a different term than a year
21:47 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> http://stv123.ca/ is bootstrap 
21:47 <@scshunt> and then authorizing the IT Committee to appoint its next Director
21:47 <+malix> travis: nicely skinned
21:47 <+khoover> jhowell, hang on, need to tape my eyes open.
21:47 <+CCitizen> Hey Travis... any special reader needed for .epub files?
21:47 <@scshunt> So, does anyone have a specific suggestion of what should take place?
21:47 <+jhowell> Travis, I could kiss you for making this site
21:48 <+khoover> CCitizen, i recommend calibre
21:48 <+RLim> CCitizen Calibre works for Ubuntu
21:48 <+malix> scshunt: we should mandate a deadline for the IT commitee to take a decision
21:48 <+JMcleod> Vote in an interim IT director so people take notice of who the applicants are and to allow Nuitari to finally resign ;)
21:48 <+CCitizen> Time to grab that
21:48 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> CCitizen: every ereader except the kindle
21:48 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> for kindle you need to convert to mobi which is pretty simple
21:48 <+jhowell> scshunt - i think we should interim director, with the intent of a equal powered committee
21:48 <@scshunt> malix: Any specific date?
21:48 <+JMcleod> Next month, vote on IT director at the same time as political council.
21:48 <+malix> before next 3rd wednesday?
21:49 <+JohannWeiss> We have to elect an IT director today, at least for this month, correct?
21:49 <+malix> idea: if we cant decide, we could take turns...
21:49 <@scshunt> We do not have to
21:49 <+CCitizen> I like Malix's idea... give them until the next general meeting, if they cant decide we can always put it to a general vote next meeting
21:49 <+JMcleod> That would be weiss ;)
21:49 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> jhowell: https://twitter.com/#!/tuebl/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FoYkRXsjr sadly our usage took a big hit after our big issue so our uploads and involvement from community is way down (though uploads are offline right now anyway)
21:49 <+malix> JMcleod: -1 for pun :P
21:50 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> We are the largest library of our kind on the internet :D
21:50 <+jhowell> There are simply no good places for ebook downloads
21:50 <+jhowell> you hit a niche
21:50 <+malix> jhowell: TPB :O
21:50 <@scshunt> Let's stay on topic
21:50 <+malix> sorry
21:50 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> especially since all of our books are direct download, not HTTP, not links to file lockers, etc
21:50 <@scshunt> I hear a suggestion to elect a director today for a term to the next general meeting.
21:50 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> sorry scshunt contenue
21:50 <@scshunt> is there any objection?
21:50 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> D:
21:50 <+malix> I submit we stop discussion and vote on interim
21:50 <+jhowell> yes
21:51 <@scshunt> jhowell: You object?
21:51 <+jhowell> no objection
21:51 <@scshunt> oh ok
21:51 <+malix> oups 
21:51 <+jhowell> sorry
21:51 <+malix> withdrawn
21:51 <+malix> no objection
21:51 <@scshunt> Ok, we will do that then
21:51 <@scshunt> Any further discussion?
21:52 <+LynnB> nope, it's votin' time.
21:52 <@scshunt> Ok
21:52 <@scshunt> one moment
21:54 <@scshunt> http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/ppca-vote.php
21:54 <@scshunt> same username and password
21:54 <+jhowell> done
21:55 <+JohannWeiss> I accidentally closed my passkey window 
21:55 <+RLim> done
21:55 <+Sqratz> Done.
21:55 <+Sqratz> No problems this time ;)
21:55 <+lcameron>  +1
21:55 <+khoover> hey scshunt, send mine again?
21:55 <+khoover> nvm
21:56 <+JohannWeiss> scshunt, me as well
21:56 <+khoover> done
21:56 <+svulliez> send them all again
21:56 <+svulliez> I also assumed mine was temporary and lost it
21:56 <@scshunt> ok, give me a moment
21:57 <+khoover> just open a window with scs, if you log irc, it'll be there
21:57 <+CCitizen> I had mine still hehe
21:58 <@scshunt> I fixed any typos too
21:58 <+svulliez> we need to change to a nested forums system, am I right? </soapbox>
21:58 <@scshunt> so use your IRC name
21:59 <+malix> **voted**
21:59 <+JohannWeiss> voted\
22:00 <+CCitizen> I think our forums do nested forums but we need an overhaul
22:01  * phillipsjk is getting substantial packet loss
22:01 <@scshunt> Has everyone voted who wishes to vote?
22:01 <+Sqratz> Yes.
22:01 <+LynnB> voted :)
22:01 <+CCitizen> yep
22:01 <+psema4> aye
22:01 -scshunt:#canada- last chance to vote
22:02 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> wait
22:02 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I missed the vote
22:02 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> :P
22:02 <+psema4> lol
22:02 -scshunt:#canada- last chance to vote for real!
22:02 <+loki> i voted :-)
22:04 <@scshunt> Ok, the polls are closed
22:04 *Vote was taken
22:04  * phillipsjk upgrades his distrust of google to "dislike". (Is it google's fault if Scripting uses enough CPU time to cause packet loss?)
22:04 <+jhowell> LOL ?
22:05 <@scshunt> Richard Stallman, Pizza, and nobody express no preference
22:05 <@scshunt> so that leaves 15 valid votes
22:05 <+CCitizen> LOL... Richard Stallman and Pizza?
22:05 <+psema4> Richard Stallman :)
22:05 <+khoover> they'd be perfect]
22:05 <+phillipsjk> I think RMS is too busy.
22:05 <@scshunt> Scott got 7 votes, Jeremy got 4, and Martin got 4. There is no majority, so we will go to another round of balloting
22:05 <+malix> I think Pizza IS needed in IT
22:05 <+RLim> someone's hungry
22:05 <@scshunt> Any discussion, or should we proceed directly to another vote?
22:05 <+lcameron> go for round 2
22:05 <+svulliez> everyone vote pizza this time
22:06 <+khoover> oui, mon capitaine
22:06 <+CCitizen> This is only for the temporary position right?
22:06 <@scshunt> yes
22:06 <+svulliez> Yes.
22:06 <+jhowell> yea might as well re-roll
22:06 <@scshunt> This is to elect an IT Director until the next general meeting
22:07 <+CCitizen> Why dont we just declare Scott as the temporary holder. He's got the most votes and we cant exclude Jeremy or Martin from the next vote since they both tied
22:07 <+jhowell> yea or that
22:07 -scshunt:#canada- voting is open again at http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/ppca-vote.php
22:07 <+malix> sure
22:07 <+CCitizen> or vote again
22:07 <+jhowell> lol
22:07 <+jhowell> or..pizza
22:07 <+khoover> staaaaaaallllllllllmaaaaaaaaaan
22:07 <+CCitizen> wait it says president :D
22:08 <@scshunt> oops
22:08 <@scshunt> ignore that >_>
22:08 <+khoover> president stallman? sweet
22:08 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> if everyone votes pizza, I will donate $5 to the party
22:08 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> >.> I don't know if thats vote tampering or not
22:08 <+jhowell> for the sake of less bureaucracy, i'll recede.
22:09 <+RLim> vote buying!
22:09 <+thor> He would be Colonel Stallman, and he would rule with mirrored sunglasses and a beret on his beard.
22:09 <@scshunt> jhowell: after the vote, if this doesn't resolve it
22:09 <+CCitizen> Damnit I already cast my vote
22:09 <+jhowell> ok
22:09 <+RLim> lol
22:09 <+Sqratz> Done.
22:09 <@scshunt> I started the vote, so it needs to keep going
22:09 <+JMcleod> I SHALL NOT BE CORRUPTED BY YOUR ATTEMPTS TO SWAY MY VOTE TRAVIS MCCREA! 
22:09 <+jhowell> voted!
22:09 <+LynnB> voted
22:09 <+svulliez> is that 5 bucks for each pizza vote? please say yes
22:09 <+JohannWeiss> voted
22:09 <+psema4> done
22:09 <+malix> voted
22:10 <+jhowell> if everyone votes $5 i'll campaign to rename the party to the Pizza Party of Canada
22:10 <+thor> ready
22:10 <+svulliez> hahah
22:10 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> I will give a dollar for every pizza vote how about that?
22:10 <+RLim> done
22:10 <+svulliez> Pizza Party is a pretty good name.
22:10 <+JMcleod> I cant vote anyways it says my password is invalid now
22:10 <+lcameron> oops, I voted for Steve Ballmer
22:10 <+malix> CBC: Corruption inside the Pirate Party!
22:10 <@scshunt> JMcleod: I fixed the typo in your name
22:10 <+jhowell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNcZHDopFb8
22:10 <@scshunt> JMcleod: use 'JMcleod'
22:11 <+JMcleod> yup that workd :)
22:11 <+jhowell> Paaarrt-ay, pizza partaayyy
22:11 <+CCitizen> We could Trademark it and sue everyone who uses the words together (just an example of how poor trademark laws can be sometimes as well)
22:11 -scshunt:#canada- last chance to vote!
22:11 <+malix> I have the trademark on malix! :P
22:11 <+malix> (true story :S)\
22:11 <+jhowell> nice
22:12 <+khoover> CCitizen, the trademark on beer 'n' wings party would be better
22:12 <+thor> malix: it sounds like an anti-depressant.
22:12 <+malix> thor: I thought you were gonna say laxative :P
22:12 <+lcameron> or nasal spray
22:13 -scshunt:#canada- the polls are closed
22:13 <+malix> but it IS an anti-depressant ::cheesy::
22:13 <@scshunt> 
22:13 *vote was taken
22:13 <+thor> whoa.. someone wrote in a doozy
22:13 <+malix> Pizza fund: 0$
22:14 <+jhowell> *golf clap*
22:14 <+khoover> oh dear...
22:14 <+loki> St john's wort is an anti-depressant it's native to Canada.
22:14 <+malix> Pizza fund: 1.50$
22:14 <@scshunt> Thats... enough for Scott
22:14 <@scshunt> Scott is elected IT Director.
22:14 <@scshunt> Seeing no further business, I declare the meeting adjourned
22:14 <+malix> The Scotts have it
22:14 <@scshunt> Any further business?
22:14 <+svulliez> thats enough to buy a slice of pizza
22:14 <+jhowell> you know when the party runs late, how silly we get
22:15 <+khoover> PIZZZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAA
22:15 <+TravisMcCrea|Work> Come on you give hackers access to a system which is anonymous and will publish the results to IRC and you were expecting better? :P
22:15 <+thor> P I ZZ AY
22:15 < lcameron> | Steve Jobs                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    |       
22:15 < JohannWeiss> Huzzah
22:15 < malix> I still have a voice?
22:15 < JohannWeiss> We're done and I'm gone
22:15 < malix> doh!
22:15 <@scshunt> good night all
22:15 < JohannWeiss> Goodbye
22:15 < jhowell> later all
22:15 < LynnB> night!
22:15 < RLim> good night
22:15 < malix> that scshunt
22:15 <@scshunt> I'm headed out, but feel free to hang around and pizza more
22:15 < CCitizen> Well I have to admit that last one was funny
22:15 < loki> we made vegan pizza today
22:15 < malix> exit(-1)
22:15 < TravisMcCrea|Work> G'night guys and I will donate $5 anyway
22:15 < khoover> how can you speak when you have...no mouth?
22:16 < khoover>  /mode +m
22:16 <@scshunt> khoover: malix: jhowell: psema4: Please send your emails to president@pirateparty.ca
22:16 <@scshunt> so I don't have to go digging
22:16 < CCitizen> Those poor poor vegetables
22:16 <@scshunt> JMcleod: You too
22:16 < svulliez> khoover: +1
22:16 < TravisMcCrea|Work> lol wow scshunt you jumped on that email address pretty quick ;) ;)
22:16 <@scshunt> TravisMcCrea|Work: I already had it; I was re-elected, remember?
22:16 < svulliez> haha
22:16 < svulliez> Feelin' presidential over here.
22:16 <@scshunt> RAWR
22:17 < RLim> lol
22:17 < malix> email sent
22:17 < svulliez> http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly07tvACd91r1f3uvo1_500.jpg
22:17 < TravisMcCrea|Work> I wonder if Nuitari will set me up with badass2themax@pirateparty.ca
22:17 < TravisMcCrea|Work> :D
22:17  * nloewen comes out of the corner
22:17 <@scshunt> IM IN UR PARTIE PRESIDIN UR MEETINGS
22:17 < RLim> hi nloewen
22:17 < malix> pirateparty@malix.com :P
22:17 < khoover> svulliez, SOPA + PIPA = BALROG
22:17 < TravisMcCrea|Work> scshunt: http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/every-day-im-pufflin.jpg
22:18 < CCitizen> Remember the username part of your email address will reflect publicly on you and the party :P
22:18 <@scshunt> hard drive failure is terrible :(
22:18 < malix> SCSunt: honestly, I have dropbox everywhere for that!
22:18 < khoover> scshunt, ALL YOUR MEETING ARE BELONG TO US
22:18 < svulliez> yo can I get druguserandsuspectedpedophile69@pirateparty.ca ?
22:19 < nloewen> I'm still interested in knowing the reasoning behind tax brackets instead of a smooth progression of tax increases.
22:19 < malix> In soviet russia meeting hold you!
22:19  * lcameron has 4 Bicasa invites available, if anyone wants one
22:19 < nloewen> If anyone knows
22:19 < khoover> nloewen, because tax brackets don't assume the populace remembers functions or calculus
22:19 < malix> nloewen: lobbyists
22:19 < nloewen> is that all?
22:19 < JMcleod> You should set up a kopimi@pirateparty.ca that forwards all to shawn vulliez imo
22:19 < malix> lcameron: yes please
22:20 < CCitizen> what is Bicasa?
22:20 < malix> who gets the *@pirateparty.ca btw?
22:20 < nloewen> I would think calculators are common enough.
22:20 < Sqratz> malix: I have one!
22:20 < lcameron> only storage like dropbox... upload speeds suck, but storage is not limited... no linux client yet, or mobile support
22:21 < khoover> nloewen, ah, but if it's a smooth curve, then taxes paid are the integral of taxes per income
22:21 < CCitizen> damn no linux wont help me then
22:22 < TravisMcCrea|Work> I have one
22:22 < TravisMcCrea|Work> travis.mccrea@pirateparty.ca 
22:22  * phillipsjk would brag about his off-site, verified backups; if they actually existed.
22:22 < CCitizen> brackets are there because it's easy to work with and doesnt require fancy math... They only introduce fancy math if you fail to pay
22:22 < svulliez> I would love to have kopimi@pirateparty.ca actually
22:23 < malix> can I claim malix@pirateparty.ca ?
22:23 < JMcleod> I think we'll have to bother psema4 for email creation
22:23 < JMcleod> hes the new IT head now
22:23 < TravisMcCrea|Work> I believe to maintain integretity of the email address you have to have need for one. 
22:23 < nloewen> I was hoping for reasons other than 'people don't know math', but I guess thats hoping for too much.
22:23 < JMcleod> its PM bomb him!
22:24 <@scshunt> malix: probably
22:24 < CCitizen> nloewen: When you want people to pay you money you have to pander to the lowest common denomonator
22:24 < svulliez> malix: I believe there won't be an issue with that.
22:24 < TravisMcCrea|Work> and I think our naming convention is supposed to be first.last@pirateparty.ca with the exception of yourposition@pirateparty.ca and Nuitari who is special
22:25 < nloewen> I suppose
22:25 < JMcleod> Well we could support kopimism so it validates a kopimi@pirateparty.ca
22:26 < TravisMcCrea|Work> how many bounces have we had from kopimi@pirateparty.ca? Probably none. We probably will never have any either... no one randomly sends an email to an address.
22:26 < nloewen> bots do.
22:26 < TravisMcCrea|Work> The religion and the party should be separate as well... for obvious reasons. 
22:26 < svulliez> kopimi isn't a religion, kopimism is
22:27 < lcameron> umm, to switch from pastafarian to kopimism.... that is the question...
22:27 < svulliez> kopimi is the opposite of copyright
22:27  * psema4 created an #itcomm room for it committee discussions / mtgs
22:27 < malix> I would switch from pastafarian to kopimism if the FSM did not exist
22:28 < JMcleod> True that
22:28 < JMcleod> I put pastafarian & kopimism on fb religious
22:29 < TravisMcCrea|Work> Okay I am heading home. 
22:29 < nloewen> I tend to think of the FSM as a meal.
22:29 < TravisMcCrea|Work> ttyl
22:29 < JMcleod> But yeah, kopimism@pirateparty.ca
22:30 < JMcleod> FSMism for theist beliefs, Kopimism for humanitary beliefs :)
22:31 < svulliez> https://www.facebook.com/canada.kopimi
22:32 < khoover> yeah, i'm getting off now. 5th time i nearly fell off my chair, there
22:32 < svulliez> from the sheer awesomeness
22:32 < JMcleod> cya khoover
22:32 < phillipsjk> For RC copters in the shape of a pirate flag.. does anybody think it would be viable to make them "flock" or act as a "school"?
22:32 < JMcleod> shawn are you admin of canada.kopimi^
22:32 < svulliez> Yes
22:32 < psema4> nightz khoover
22:32 < JMcleod> cool :)
22:32 < psema4> phillipskj yes
22:33 < psema4> there's an entire school of artificial intelligence study based on flocking algorithms
22:33 < phillipsjk> Yes, but how many flocking algorithms retain a complex shape?
22:34 < phillipsjk> *if* it works, it would make control a lot easier though.
22:34 < psema4> well that's part of what i meant by kinks in the concept.  it'd be cheaper and possibly safer to do it with fewer 'copters
22:35 < psema4> i'd suggest using 4 and have them carrying a flag i think
22:35 < svulliez> thought that they were just going to hold a flag togtherÉ
22:35 < psema4> (2's not enough)
22:35 < svulliez> ?
22:35 < nloewen> There was one that could organize themselves very accurately, without using a central data source.
22:35 < nloewen> they all thought independently
22:35 < nloewen> I don't remember what it was called
22:36 < psema4> svulliez, a flock would be most effective but we don't have the funds for something like that any time soon
22:36 < phillipsjk> I was thinking cameras and distinct patterns on each one so they know their place relative to each other.
22:36 < phillipsjk> That would be lots of signal processing though.
22:37 < phillipsjk> ==power consumption
22:37 < psema4> phillipsjk: just put android's on them.  there's a project that does that using SL4A.
22:37 < psema4> (SL4A: Scripting Layer 4 Android)
22:38 < lcameron> http://kopimistsamfundet.ca/   Yikes, looks like it's right outta 1996 and optimized for Netscape
22:40 < psema4> phillipsjk: SL4A example: http://blog.makezine.com/2010/07/nexus_onearduino_smallsat_satellite/
22:41 < psema4> damn; link looks to be broke :(
22:41 < phillipsjk> The 4 devices+flag may work indoors, but not out.
22:43 < psema4> reasoning? (disregarding weather)
22:44 < CCitizen> btw thanks for mentioning calibre :D
22:44 < psema4> k, gotta drop off for tonight.  Will start a thread on the forum re quadrocopters tomorrow (if it's not already there ;))
22:44 < psema4> nitaz all
22:45 < psema4> *nitez*
22:45 < loki> pirate party is one of the most supportive online communities I've joined thus far.
22:45 < loki> also the most technologically advanced.
22:46 < loki> in terms of multi-faceted community interfacing.  by contrast to the Artificial Generail Intelligence community which is mostly a mailing list.
22:47 < phillipsjk> Well, if you disregard the uncontrolled environment, no reason.
22:47 < loki> ?
22:48 < phillipsjk> Mainly the flag would have lots of surface area, and the slightest breeze would overwhelm the quadrocopters.
22:49  * phillipsjk still has not commented in the sneakernet thread.
22:50 < phillipsjk> loki: was talking about quadorcopters, not supportive communities. :)
22:53 < loki> oh okay :-)
22:54 < loki> ya, my PDA is made of paper, a book i bound myself.
22:54 < CCitizen> Just paint it with the PPCA logo :D
22:55 < loki> hmmm, do we have stickers? guess I could make some.  can put it on cover of my next one, almost done this one, it has about 1000 pages
22:55 < CCitizen> Just curious does anyone here watch Storage Wars? :)
22:55 < svulliez> now that the Liberals are endorsing the legalization of cannabis, can the pirate party finally admit that we're all in favor?
22:56 < CCitizen> Legalize It, Tax It... Pot is probably one of our best cash crops :P
22:57 < svulliez> you know, not even mentioning how male hemp plants have incredibly diverse uses
22:57 < loki> oh ya, for sure, neuro-genesis, grow brain cells, be smarter, cognitive enhancemenet, nootropics.
22:57 < loki> er thc is proven for neuro-genesis, one of few plants
22:57 < svulliez> You know of any nootropics that work and don't hurt your brain?
22:58 < CCitizen> not sure if pot grows brain cells but I'm all for people who want to smoke it (I dont smoke tobacco or weed myself)
22:58 <@scshunt> as long as they do it outside
22:58 < CCitizen> Yeah
22:58 < CCitizen> Same restrictions as smoking... Although I have to admit pot smokers tend not to smoke a pack a day
22:58 < svulliez> Woah, I didn't know that but it looks like loki is right
22:59 < svulliez> according to the university of Saskatchewan 
22:59 < CCitizen> what pot grows brain cells?
22:59 < svulliez> http://www.jci.org/articles/view/25509
22:59 < loki> ya, marijuana is probably the best all round nootropic. though for specific things I use herbs,  for attention/acetylcholine sage or rosemary, for relaxation/opiate poppy seeds or pepermint, camomile for excitement/dopamine cayenne,
22:59 < CCitizen> technically THC since that's the chemical compound responsible for people smoking it :P
22:59 < loki> cloves or nutmeg
23:00 < svulliez> Interesting.. it's cool that you have a library of them :)
23:00 < svulliez> Don't know many people with that kind of functional witch doctor cabinet heh
23:01 < loki> oh ya, have an array of herbal teas of various uses,  also Plants For a Future database of over 7000 edible, medicinal and useful plants
23:01 < PirateFox> meeting over yet?
23:01 < svulliez> yup
23:01 < CCitizen> Yeah it's been over for a while
23:01 < PirateFox> ah
23:01 < svulliez> It would be awesome to find some public domain databases of edible plants and plant functions for CaPT
23:02 < svulliez> I like the idea of including some resources on self-sufficiency too
23:02 < CCitizen> Actually that's a pretty good idea
23:02 < PirateFox> Stenobot should announce end of meeting
23:02 < PirateFox> it wasn't marked from what I can see
23:02 < loki> svulliez: what's CaPT /
23:02 < loki> ?
23:02 < CCitizen> the more self sufficient the citizenry becomes the less government has to intervene in their day to day lives
23:03 < CCitizen> CaPT = Canadian Pirate Tracker (for torrents) :)
23:03 < PirateFox> I don't see how that's true
23:03 < PirateFox> you're sounding like a GOP member
23:03 < CCitizen> who me?
23:03 < PirateFox> yes
23:04 <@scshunt> PirateFox: oh right, I forgot to tell SB it's the end of the meeting
23:04 -Stenobot:#canada- ======================= MEETING ADJOURNED ========================
23:04 -Stenobot:#canada- This meeting stands adjourned. The transcript will be available online shortly.
23:04 -Stenobot:#canada- ============================================================

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