FC 2011-05-12 transcript

From Pirate Party of Canada

[21:00] <~MikkelPaulson> anyway, I call the meeting to order
[21:00] <~MikkelPaulson> rintaran: your agenda, want to take it away?
[21:01] <+rintaran> Sure, why not.
[21:01] <+rintaran> First on the agenda is the request that PP Russia sent us 
regarding servers and connections.
[21:02] <+Nuitari> from whatI understand, they want root access
[21:02] <+rintaran> Would it be safe to assume the council has previously had 
teh opportunity to review the request?
[21:02] <+Nuitari> which means cohabiting ont he server is touchy
[21:02] <~MikkelPaulson> can you put them in a chroot jail?
[21:03] <+rintaran> Tech request is here: http://pp-russia.piratenpad.de/3
[21:04] <+MikeBleskie> From a character point of view, Artim has been a 
longtime contributor to the movement, from what I understand
[21:04] <+MikeBleskie> Artem/Artim/Artoym
[21:04] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds like that's well beyond our means to provide 
singlehanded at this point, particularly in terms of bandwidth
[21:05] <~MikkelPaulson> though we could donate idle cycles from our VPN 
servers I suppose
[21:05] <+Nuitari> probably we can come halfway on it
[21:05] <+MikeBleskie> What I would like to do before you make a final 
desicion is to check with PPI to see the status of their relations as a 
character reference
[21:05] <~MikkelPaulson> good idea
[21:05] <~MikkelPaulson> of course, it's always nice to pad our international 
relations resumé
[21:07] <+MikeBleskie> Well, I'm no help otherwise in this endeavour
[21:07] <+Nuitari> if it checks out, ask their tech guy to get in touch with 
me so we can work something out
[21:07] <+rintaran> So between now and next week, Nuitari, can you compile the 
specs of what we are possibly able to provide, and Bleskie, you'll get through 
the character references with PPI?
[21:08] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds good
[21:08] <+rintaran> sry, apparently I type too slow.
[21:08] <~MikkelPaulson> out of curiosity, is there a reason they can't access 
these resources themselves? money?
[21:09] <+rintaran> They're looking for a resource outside of Russia.
[21:09] <+rintaran> Something more "secure"
[21:09] <~MikkelPaulson> understandable
[21:09] <+rintaran> At least, that's what I gathered from the e-mails they 
sent to the party.
[21:09] <~MikkelPaulson> sorry I've been out of the loop
[21:10] <~MikkelPaulson> huzzah!
[21:10] <+MikeBleskie> \o/
[21:10] <+svulliez> Sorry I'm late, I was fixing a hammock
[21:11] <~MikkelPaulson> I've heard that one before
[21:11] <+MikeBleskie> We're just discussing the Russia proposal
[21:11] <+rintaran> I think, if we do step forward to assist PP Russia on this 
matter, we should put a time limit to the far-end of our committment, giving 
us the opportunity to re-evaluate at that time.
[21:11] <~MikkelPaulson> agreed
[21:12] <+Nuitari> agreed
[21:12] <+MikeBleskie> svulliez: We've established I'll be getting a character 
reference from PPI, then we'll discuss it with the Russians
[21:12] <+MikeBleskie> And yes
[21:12] <+Nuitari> as long as we can use the server as part of the VPN project 
I'm ok with it
[21:12] <+rintaran> That should also give them the opportunity to secure their 
own stuff.
[21:12] <+Nuitari> but I would like a launch of the VPN real soon
[21:12] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah
[21:12] <+rintaran> VPN is on the agenda, let's try to finish one item before 
jumping eh?
[21:12] <+Nuitari> we don't have much capital to blow through and there are 
some expenses we need to do
[21:13] <+svulliez> Are there committees through PPI to work collaboratively 
on these kinds of proposals? His mention of digital democracy intrigues me, 
for example
[21:13] <~MikkelPaulson> not that I'd be opposed to helping the Russians for 
its own sake, but is there anything they might be able to provide us on a quid 
pro quo basis?
[21:13] <+MikeBleskie> Not in the functions I remember, but it's worth a shot
[21:14] <+Nuitari> we could ask for a breakout server in Russia
[21:14] <+MikeBleskie> That's part of their issue
[21:14] <~MikkelPaulson> that might help, though it sounds like they might not 
have the resources to comply...
[21:16] <+rintaran> No, from the sounds of the initial contact, they're 
probably going to be losing one of their servers in the near future.
[21:16] <~MikkelPaulson> I see
[21:16] <+Nuitari> that's ok
[21:16] <~MikkelPaulson> just a thought anyway
[21:16] <+Nuitari> I built the vpn to be server independant
[21:16] <+rintaran> They do have someone on PPI's board. This may grant us 
another sympathetic ear.
[21:17] <+MikeBleskie> True.
[21:17] <+rintaran> We don't have any major use for it at the moment, but it's 
best to build these relationships before you need them.
[21:18] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed
[21:18] <~MikkelPaulson> moving on, then?
[21:19] <+rintaran> Sounds good to me. I've added the appropriate tasks to our 
task-list pad.
[21:19] <+rintaran> Let's touch on the VPN since it was already brought up.
[21:19] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah
[21:19] <~MikkelPaulson> what do we still need before we can go ahead with the 
hard launch?
[21:20] <~MikkelPaulson> and might it be better to go live once lawful access 
is on the table? I think that'd be the appropriate timing press-wise, if 
nothing else
[21:21] <+rintaran> 100 days after the election and we've already been 
forgotten.
[21:21] <+MikeBleskie> JakeDaynes had been working on the visuals, that seems 
to have fallen off the apple cart
[21:21] <+Nuitari> I think we need to launch it now
[21:21] <+Nuitari> we already lost a bit of momentum and we need to recapture 
it
[21:21] <+rintaran> It was a campaign promise.
[21:21] <~MikkelPaulson> true
[21:21] <+Nuitari> we can of course do another round of email / PR when lawful 
access comes back
[21:21] <+rintaran> Let's prove that we aren't like the other parties, by 
keeping it in a timely fashion.
[21:21] <+Nuitari> even videos to promo it
[21:22] <~MikkelPaulson> though strictly speaking campaign promises are only 
carried through on when one is elected, the point stands
[21:22] <~MikkelPaulson> IMO we're better off waiting until we get all of our 
ducks in a row
[21:22] <+rintaran> Considering that we promised it would be followed through 
whether we did or not, I call BS on that remark.
[21:22] <~MikkelPaulson> so we can launch with a video announcement and have a 
full site online
[21:22] <~MikkelPaulson> etc.
[21:22] <+Nuitari> this is the Internet, no one wants to wait
[21:22] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed
[21:22] <+Nuitari> we can get ostra.ca online, advertise to the 100 or so who 
emailed us at vpn@
[21:23] <+Nuitari> fix whatever bugs they find
[21:23] <~MikkelPaulson> that's true
[21:23] <~MikkelPaulson> call it a beta group
[21:23] <+Nuitari> then proceed to a full launch to our members / twitter
[21:23] <+Nuitari> open some adcenter ads (w e need to use up the 100$ coupon 
quickly)
[21:23] <+svulliez> doing a limited prerelease sounds like a reasonable middle 
ground
[21:23] <+MikeBleskie> We can at least put up one page for now that will 
explain the launch
[21:23] <+Nuitari> start writing video ad / borrow 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx4__umnAxs
[21:24] <~MikkelPaulson> OT: svulliez, whenever you issue a press release, 
please remember to post it to the site too
[21:24] <~MikkelPaulson> I don't see the post-election release on the site
[21:24] <+svulliez> ah yeah. Sure
[21:24] <~MikkelPaulson> given the likelihood of the press picking up on most 
of our releases, distributing it to normal people is the main point
[21:24] <+rintaran> So what needs to be done to get the VPN launch done.
[21:24] <+Nuitari> a decent website
[21:25] <+Nuitari> a small how-to guide
[21:25] <~MikkelPaulson> decent payment processor
[21:25] <+rintaran> Didn't we already handle the payment processor in a 
previous meeting?
[21:25] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, I don't remember anything being resolved though
[21:26] <~MikkelPaulson> maybe I'm wrong there
[21:26] <+rintaran> And is Daynes working on the website? Bleskie mentioned he 
was working on visuals, but I'm not sure what the meaning was.
[21:26] <+Nuitari> what's wrong with the payment processor?
[21:26] <~MikkelPaulson> he was messing around with logos, not sure that it 
got past that
[21:26] <+rintaran> Motion passed on January 13th, 2011 to use Elevon instead 
of Paypal Pro.
[21:26] <~MikkelPaulson> I was referring to the CRM
[21:27] <~MikkelPaulson> https://crm.pirateparty.ca/vpn
[21:27] <+svulliez> I've got some logo and website designs sketched out, I'll 
contact Jake about putting together the whole site
[21:27] <~MikkelPaulson> fine as a stopgap, but not really as refined as I'd 
like
[21:27] <~MikkelPaulson> I guess that fits with the design though
[21:27] <+Nuitari> you can redesign the html/css for it and I'll put it 
online...
[21:28] <~MikkelPaulson> can we store credit card info?
[21:28] <+rintaran> Do we want to? Is that not a violation of our privacy 
policies?
[21:28] <~MikkelPaulson> well presumably most people will want to re-bill
[21:28] <+Nuitari> rintaran: no it's not
[21:29] <+Nuitari> besides the vpn default to a rebilling service
[21:30] <+rintaran> Alright. Vulliez is going to talk with Daynes about 
getting the site setup. I admit I barely understand the purpose of a VPN, let 
alone enough to write a how-to guide. Who can we get on that?
[21:30] <+Nuitari> btw Elavon has been online for 2 months
[21:31] <+svulliez> nice.
[21:31] <~MikkelPaulson> any hitches?
[21:31] <+svulliez> Alright, text for the VPN website
[21:32] <+svulliez> There are 2 sections - an explanation of what it is and 
how it works
[21:32] <+svulliez> and an explanation of how to use it
[21:32] <~MikkelPaulson> and an explanation of why we're offering it
[21:32] <+svulliez> Ah yeah, I meant that to be included in the first part, 
sorry
[21:33] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: almost wasted 30$ in a month because they 
defaulted to daily batching and daily deposits
[21:33] <+Nuitari> a bit stupid that they retroactively charge the fees
[21:33] <+Nuitari> but otherwise it's working fine
[21:33] <+svulliez> MikeBleskie are you still willing to write the first part? 
what/how/why?
[21:33] <~MikkelPaulson> probably best to give that bit its own section, after 
all we're out to make a point
[21:34] <+MikeBleskie> I might as well do the why
[21:34] <+svulliez> Who of us were the ones who hatched this plan and began 
implementing it? Did we ever vote on it?
[21:35] <+rintaran> I was absent that meeting.
[21:35] <~MikkelPaulson> the VPN? don't remember to be honest
[21:35] <~MikkelPaulson> everything was so chaotic mid-election
[21:35] <+rintaran> And it seems there haven't been any minutes since 
2011-02-24
[21:35] <~MikkelPaulson> nope
[21:36] <~MikkelPaulson> psema4 has been MIA for a while
[21:36] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds like he's getting back on the ball now
[21:36] <~MikkelPaulson> so I'll ask him to put some together retroactively
[21:37] <+Nuitari> http://www.bestvpnservice.com/providers/142/pirate-party-
canada-vpn.html
[21:37] <+Nuitari> the Internet, she doesn't like waiting
[21:37] <+Nuitari> at least it explains how we got some customers for it 
already
[21:39] <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: am I correct in assuming that users will 
need to install software client-side rather than just change some config 
options?
[21:39] <+Nuitari> yes
[21:39] <+Nuitari> they need to install the openvpn client
[21:39] <+Nuitari> thewiz
[21:39] <+Nuitari> nevermind that
[21:39] <~MikkelPaulson> can't we use something simpler?
[21:40] <+Nuitari> most of them are close source...
[21:42] <~MikkelPaulson> a few people have complained that the website doesn't 
mention Linux compatibility
[21:42] <~MikkelPaulson> I don't see OS X or Windows on there either, but they 
apparently did
[21:44] <+rintaran> Well, putting up a list of required tech specs would be 
beneficial.
[21:44] <~MikkelPaulson> definitely
[21:44] <~MikkelPaulson> guess that'd go under how
[21:44] <+rintaran> I know its the first thing I usually ask when deciding 
whether to get something.
[21:44] <+Nuitari> I'll add a note
[21:44] <~MikkelPaulson> I see on the OpenVPN site that there are Debian and 
Ubuntu packages
[21:46] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: there is also a source package
[21:47] <~MikkelPaulson> okay
[21:47] <~MikkelPaulson> well so long as we cover that, all is well
[21:47] <+Nuitari> http://www.guizmovpn.com
[21:48] <+Nuitari> the crm vpn page is just something quick for technical 
people that want to jump right in
[21:48] <~MikkelPaulson> right
[21:48] <~MikkelPaulson> anyway, that's the least of our concerns right now
[21:48] <~MikkelPaulson> we have the server capacity we need right now?
[21:48] <+Nuitari> yeah
[21:48] <+Nuitari> and it's easy to add to it
[21:49] <~MikkelPaulson> good stuff
[21:49] <~MikkelPaulson> how many IPs?
[21:49] <+Nuitari> and the CRM automatically emails the keys when we get an 
order
[21:49] <+Nuitari> 1
[21:49] <+Nuitari> we have 4 spare IPs
[21:49] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, it would be good to get some more
[21:49] <~MikkelPaulson> and use different IPs for the free accounts we give out
[21:49] <~MikkelPaulson> because authorities will no doubt try to block them
[21:50] <~MikkelPaulson> so if we can avoid publicizing those IPs, we're 
better off
[21:51] <+Nuitari> we'll see when we have free accounts
[21:51] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah
[21:51] <+Nuitari> but anyways the outbound routing isn't too great :/
[21:51] <~MikkelPaulson> how so?
[21:51] <+svulliez> With all due respect Mikkel, this is the kind of stuff we 
shouldn't be discussing in our weekly meeting. This is an A-B conversation 
regarding technical details
[21:51] <+svulliez> We need more general discussion and voting
[21:51] <+Nuitari> yeah let's move on from the tech stuff
[21:51] <~MikkelPaulson> fair enough
[21:51] <+rintaran> Or rather assignment of duties..
[21:52] <~MikkelPaulson> MikeBleskie: think you could reach out to PPI, see if 
they can help us distribute accounts?
[21:52] <+svulliez> assignment of duties too
[21:52] <+MikeBleskie> distribute the freedom accounts, or the paid ones?
[21:52] <~MikkelPaulson> the free accounts
[21:52] <+rintaran> Free accounts.
[21:52] <+MikeBleskie> Sure.
[21:53] <~MikkelPaulson> since right now we can talk all we want about giving 
them out, but we do have to work to get them into the right hands
[21:53] <+rintaran> We also need the remainder of that how-to guide done up.
[21:53] <+Nuitari> can we start getting paid ones first?
[21:54] <~MikkelPaulson> I guess
[21:54] <~MikkelPaulson> at least so long as we're in beta
[21:54] <+Nuitari> we need this to be cashflow positive
[21:54] <~MikkelPaulson> but advertising the 1-to-1 deal is a bit dishonest if 
we don't get the free accounts up ASAP
[21:55] <+Nuitari> 1-1 means we get paid ones first...
[21:55] <+svulliez> as long as we're actually going 1 for 1 there is no 
dishonesty
[21:55] <~MikkelPaulson> fair enough
[21:55] <+MikeBleskie> I need to head out. The last item on the agenda needs a 
bit of background, and Ryan is in attendance, so can I clear that before I 
leave?
[21:55] <+Nuitari> sure
[21:55] <~MikkelPaulson> sure
[21:55] <~MikkelPaulson> I think we're good for VPNs for now anyway
[21:56] <+MikeBleskie> Actually
[21:56] <~MikkelPaulson> we can schedule a meeting early next week if need be
[21:56] <+MikeBleskie> Can you voice Ryan?
[21:56] <+MikeBleskie> I have to run.
[21:56] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, ttyl Mike
[21:57] <~MikkelPaulson> ryanoram?
[21:58] <+svulliez> ...
[21:58] <+svulliez> What is this even about?
[21:59] <+svulliez> What about the rest of the agenda?
[21:59] <~MikkelPaulson> no idea
[21:59] <~MikkelPaulson> brb though, I'm going inside
[22:01] <+svulliez> Wonderful
[22:01] <+svulliez> Can we get back on topic? Ryan can post his ideas on the 
forums or in the regular channel
[22:02] <+rintaran> Shall we tackle the PR Reformation or the Priorities of 
Discussion first?
[22:02] <~MikkelPaulson> sure
[22:02] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, let's go ahead
[22:02] <~MikkelPaulson> (back)
[22:03] <+svulliez> Let's go with PR reformation
[22:03] <+rintaran> Here's the pad with the details: http://pr.piratepad.ca/60
[22:04] <~MikkelPaulson> on the subject of social media, I'd very much like to 
get @piratepartyca off my hands
[22:05] <+rintaran> Consider it done.
[22:05] <+rintaran> Send me the info, and I'll take care of it.
[22:05] <+svulliez> likewise, I'll start logging in more often. I've also got 
some PR committee members willing to help
[22:06] <~MikkelPaulson> okay
[22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> thanks
[22:07] <+rintaran> Anyhow, any changes to be made to this proposed PR 
Manifesto.
[22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> I just made a couple of amendments, but it looks fine 
to me
[22:07] <~MikkelPaulson> I reviewed it some time ago
[22:08] <~MikkelPaulson> what in particular are we looking to do now? vote on 
adoption?
[22:08] <+rintaran> Then, I move that we accept and implement the PPCA Public 
Relations Manifesto, as stated http://pr.piratepad.ca/60.
[22:09] <~MikkelPaulson> I vote yes
[22:09] <+rintaran> Yes.
[22:09] <+svulliez> yes
[22:10] <+rintaran> Nuitari?
[22:10] <~MikkelPaulson> carried, anyhow
[22:10] <+svulliez> wonderful
[22:11] <+rintaran> Alright. So the manifesto has been carried. Now we need to 
get it implemented.
[22:11] <+svulliez> I suppose we can send out a call for representatives in 
the next newsletter, and start encouraging attendance to the meetings
[22:11] <+svulliez> the PR meetings
[22:11] <+svulliez> Additionally, we should rename the forums for the new 
commitees?
[22:11] <+rintaran> It would make sense to me.
[22:12] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah
[22:12] <+rintaran> It would also make sense to use the bullet points as the 
description for thsoe forums.
[22:12] <~MikkelPaulson> you have forum admin, svulliez?
[22:13] <+svulliez> I think so, although I've never done any renaming like that
[22:14] <+svulliez> ah I think I see how to do it
[22:14] <+svulliez> consider it done
[22:15] <+rintaran> Excellent. Anything else we need to do to help you 
implement this Vulliez?
[22:16] <+svulliez> That sort of falls into the the next topic of discussion
[22:16] <+svulliez> Untitled 92
[22:16] <+svulliez> http://pr.piratepad.ca/92
[22:16] <+rintaran> Alright. Then if no one has any objections, we should move 
on to the final item on the agenda.
[22:17] <+svulliez> no objection here
[22:17] <+rintaran> Mikkel, to bring you up to speed, this pad is the result 
of the Election Review
[22:17] <+svulliez> last week
[22:18] <+rintaran> We used the pad to better bring up the issues that came 
up, both on the trail and in the halls of the party, to better discuss the 
issues.
[22:18] <+svulliez> our irc meeting was getting bogged down with the sheer 
volume of suggestions
[22:19] <+rintaran> With no way to sort it or keep various tracks in order, it 
was necessary to switch to the pad.
[22:19] <+MikeBleskie> >.>
[22:19] <+svulliez> Hey mike
[22:19] <+svulliez> ryan never spoke
[22:19] <+MikeBleskie> Did you move on?
[22:20] <+svulliez> we've moved onto pad 92
[22:20] <+svulliez> yes
[22:20] <+MikeBleskie> Okay
[22:20] <+svulliez> and we voted to implement pad 60
[22:20] <+rintaran> The PR Manifesto was adopted.
[22:20] <+svulliez> http://pr.piratepad.ca/60
[22:20] <+MikeBleskie> Good
[22:20] <+rintaran> Mike and Mikkel, do you need a moment to review the pad 
and get up to date?
[22:21] <~MikkelPaulson> halfway through it now
[22:21] <+MikeBleskie> Read it
[22:22] <+MikeBleskie> I'm hoping that if we need to make changes on the fly, 
that such will be allowable
[22:22] <+MikeBleskie> IE, review of positions
[22:27] <+MikeBleskie> ?
[22:28] <~MikkelPaulson> done
[22:28] <~MikkelPaulson> and added my responses in red
[22:28] <+svulliez> right back
[22:29] <~MikkelPaulson> rintaran: what do you think should be done with your 
position to make it more relevant?
[22:30] <~MikkelPaulson> the reason your position was created, low volunteer 
engagement, is no less important now than it was in February
[22:30] <+rintaran> Most, or even all of the volunteers being recruited have 
to report to Vulliez as it is right now since they're all PR positions.
[22:30] <+rintaran> Volunteer Recruitment is fine, but the volunteers we're 
receiving aren't useful in areas we require work.
[22:31] <+rintaran> Not that there have been many, and without any newsletters 
going out, it doesn't help any.
[22:31] <~MikkelPaulson> be that as it may, most of the grand plans in this 
pad and the PR pad won't happen without more people
[22:32] <+rintaran> Well, what happened to our no-longer candidates? They need 
to step in and get recruiting at the local level.
[22:32] <+svulliez> We have plenty of people. They just keep on getting shot 
down in the forums
[22:32] <+rintaran> And they need to be volunteering federally.
[22:32] <+rintaran> Without specific tasks for volunteers to accomplish, 
you'll never have any.
[22:33] <~MikkelPaulson> we have plenty of specific tasks, just nobody has 
taken charge of them
[22:33] <+rintaran> We don't have a list of specific tasks anywhere. You want 
me to hunt them down, and hear about them four months after we needed them?
[22:34] <+svulliez> for example. I found out I was responsible for building 
the ostraca website
[22:34] <+svulliez> at the last meeting
[22:34] <+svulliez> I'm in the council,and no one sent me an e-mail
[22:34] <+svulliez> telling me what we were doing and how I could help
[22:34] <+svulliez> if this is how we're doing it up here
[22:34] <+rintaran> I found out about the VPN service through the newspaper.
[22:34] <+svulliez> how are volunteers supposed to be engaged?
[22:35] <+svulliez> No disrespect intended here, but it's absurd for you to 
say "no one is taking charge" when /you are the leader/
[22:37] <+svulliez> I think the current council layout is massively tilted
[22:37] <~MikkelPaulson> I thought Jake was building ostra.ca...
[22:38] <~MikkelPaulson> svulliez: that's a valid point, but we need team 
leads for individual projects
[22:38] <+rintaran> He was designing logos. Vulliez will now be asking him if 
he can.
[22:38] <~MikkelPaulson> the reason so little gets done around here is because 
we are expected to be team leads for everything
[22:40] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: you need to be the leader of the team 
leaders too
[22:41] <+rintaran> That requires not only your attendance and good 
communication with the team leads, but also leading by example.
[22:42] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, so where do *I* begin?
[22:43] <+rintaran> What do you want the team leads to do?
[22:45] <+svulliez> Help me implement the new PR councils, let Shawn run the 
weekly council meetings, and help us figure out how to separate business from 
the political side
[22:45] <+rintaran> uh...  the question was for Mikkel....
[22:45] <~MikkelPaulson> sure
[22:45] <+svulliez> I'm assuming Shawn would be available. that would free up 
a bit of our time, and Shawn could attempt to structure the meetings in his way
[22:45] <+svulliez> I was answering mikkel's question
[22:46] <~MikkelPaulson> I think we just discussed some of the projects we'd 
like to get going on in pad 60
[22:49] <+svulliez> >What do you want the team leads to do?
[22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> that brings us back to research, promotions, etc.
[22:50] <~MikkelPaulson> I think we're going in circles
[22:50] <+rintaran> Now, can you be specific?
[22:50] <+Nuitari> the team lead needs to direct people that want to volunteer
[22:51] <+Nuitari> or do the job himself if he can't find people
[22:52] <+rintaran> Direct them to do what?  For example, direct them to do 
research on what?
[22:52] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: you do need to assign jobs to team leaders...
[22:52] <+Nuitari> and prioritize
[22:52] <~MikkelPaulson> the standing committees should be semi-autonomous
[22:52] <+Nuitari> let's say rintaran is head of the PR team
[22:53] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: no such thing as semi-autonomous
[22:53] <+Nuitari> you want him to work on the VPN PR, VPN design, PR for the 
party, some fund raising with the business team lead
[22:53] <+Nuitari> but you need to tell them what they need to work on first
[22:53] <~MikkelPaulson> for instance, the research committee needs to keep an 
eye on Hansard, on the news, and on the interwebs
[22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> Hansard/orders of the day
[22:54] <+Nuitari> right but if nothing is happening, they could be working on 
the platform and how we can achieve it once elected
[22:54] <+rintaran> Keep an eye on them for what exactly?
[22:54] <~MikkelPaulson> material that we're going to need to address, 
particularly with press releases and rallies and the like
[22:54] <+rintaran> specifically what kind of material?
[22:55] <~MikkelPaulson> copyright, privacy
[22:55] <+rintaran> (what kind of material is deemed something that we have to 
address)
[22:55] <~MikkelPaulson> stuff relevant to our platform
[22:55] <+rintaran> That's the kind of stuff we need hammered out, or you'll 
never get a volunteer working.
[22:56] <+Nuitari> scshunt: go ahead
[22:56] <+rintaran> Specificity is what gives a volunteer something to do, 
otherwise they just wander off.
[22:56] <+scshunt> Yeah, I can try to read Hansards and say if anything that 
looks important comes up
[22:56] <~MikkelPaulson> order papers is even better
[22:56] <~MikkelPaulson> the earlier we can catch something the better
[22:57] <+scshunt> Since it's a brand-new Parliament, all bills have to be 
reintroduced I believe
[22:57] <+scshunt> so they'll appear in the Hansards first
[22:58] <+scshunt> Government bill debates are held on the government's whim
[22:58] <~MikkelPaulson> I don't know about Parliament, but introduction of 
bills is on the order papers at the Alberta Leg
[22:58] <+scshunt> I forget exactly
[22:58] <+scshunt> but they don't get debated right after introduction
[22:58] <+scshunt> and we can't see the content until introduction
[22:58] <~MikkelPaulson> obviously you don't get the text until after it's 
tabled
[22:58] <+scshunt> yeah
[22:59] <+scshunt> private members' bills get a schedule, it's easy enough to 
watch as they get introduced and see when they get scheduled for debate
[22:59] <~MikkelPaulson> would you like to take the lead on the research 
committee?
[22:59] <+svulliez> great.this is great. Thank you scshunt
[23:00] <+svulliez> even if you don't want to lead the research committee, 
your input is greatly appreciated
[23:00] <+scshunt> Perhaps
[23:00] <~MikkelPaulson> always
[23:00] <+scshunt> What are you guys looking from from the research committee?
[23:01] <~MikkelPaulson> mostly just keeping ahead of the curve
[23:01] <~MikkelPaulson> dropping a press release while it's not too late to 
be included in the news stories
[23:01] <~MikkelPaulson> or rather giving us the opportunity to do so
[23:01] <+scshunt> And if you don't mind, while I'm here, do we have any other 
business for the general meeting?
[23:01] <+rintaran> From what I just strangled out of Mikkel: The researc 
committee needs to keep an eye on Hansard, the news and internet for material 
relevant to our platform that we're going to need to address with press 
releases and rallies.
[23:02] <+rintaran> And communicating that information to the PR department 
head.
[23:02] <+scshunt> I'm not too good with other sources. But I can help distill 
information if someone points out interesting stuff
[23:02] <~MikkelPaulson> I'd also like to start filing FOI requests
[23:02] <~MikkelPaulson> see if we can dig up some juicy tidbits that way
[23:02] <+svulliez> actually, just keeping track of hansards is awesome scshunt
[23:03] <+scshunt> I'm not the guy for that I don't think
[23:03] <+svulliez> we'll need people to do specific things like that
[23:03] <+scshunt> gotcha
[23:03] <+svulliez> the more specific the task, the more often it will be 
completed
[23:03] <+scshunt> yeah
[23:03] * +scshunt is probably done - it's your meeting
[23:04] <~MikkelPaulson> okay
[23:04] <+svulliez> There is a lot I want the research and innovation 
committee to do, FOI requests is a great addition
[23:05] <+Nuitari> MikeBleskie: you do international PP relations right?
[23:05] <+svulliez> essentially I want to centralize all the people in the 
forums who are saying "check out news story X lets do a press release" and 
"What if... X???" to one place where they can be given assigments
[23:06] <+svulliez> *assignments
[23:06] <+svulliez> and additionally, we'll throw in a meeting to allow them
to vote on certain PR related things
[23:06] <+svulliez> That's the research and innovation committee in a broad 
nutshell
[23:07] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah
[23:07] <~MikkelPaulson> though it sounds like that might be two committees
[23:07] <+svulliez> I think we may not have the amount of people required to 
have two functional committees
[23:07] <~MikkelPaulson> indeed not
[23:08] <+svulliez> there is a lot of crossing between innovation and 
research, because you need to research what you are developing,for example
[23:09] <+svulliez> sorry
[23:09] <~MikkelPaulson> no worries
[23:09] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds like we're winding down, anyway
[23:09] <+svulliez> So at this time.Biggest priorities are reforming PR for 
the benefit of all
[23:09] <+svulliez> and getting ostraca running with a design
[23:09] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah
[23:10] <+rintaran> So, the to-do list to be completed by next week...
[23:10] <~MikkelPaulson> MikeBleskie & Nuitari: did you already submit 
post-election reports?
[23:10] <+rintaran> This is what I have down: http://pr.piratepad.ca/94
[23:10] <+svulliez> Nuitari did.
[23:10] <+rintaran> Nuitari did. I sent one in on the portion of Bleskie's 
campaign I was active in.
[23:11] <+svulliez> I haven't done a post election report either yet
[23:11] <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: I did
[23:11] <~MikkelPaulson> Travis submitted one
[23:11] <+svulliez> curses
[23:11] <~MikkelPaulson> you're having a good time of it
[23:12] <+svulliez> MikkelPaulson: Can you contact all of the former 
candidates and see if we can get them involved in the new PR structure?
[23:12] <+svulliez> I think former candidates and their crews may be a good 
place to start
[23:12] <+rintaran> Also remind all candidates and failed candidatures that 
they need to re-apply for the next election, according to our constitution.
[23:12] <~MikkelPaulson> can do, is there anywhere in particular you'd like 
them?
[23:12] <~MikkelPaulson> though I think that's technically rintaran's area
[23:13] <+svulliez> I can share my ideas on positions
[23:13] <+svulliez> I think we need to stop worrying about whose area is which
[23:13] <~MikkelPaulson> fair enough
[23:13] <+svulliez> because my area is enormous
[23:13] <~MikkelPaulson> we'll work on taht
[23:14] <+svulliez> For sure.
[23:14] <~MikkelPaulson> if we can redraw the boundaries a bit, it should help
[23:14] <~MikkelPaulson> let me know what in particular you'd like to drop
[23:14] <~MikkelPaulson> I'd rather not deal with it tonight as this meeting's 
getting pretty long in the tooth
[23:14] <+rintaran> Also, is the first PR Team meeting this monday?
[23:15] <+svulliez> We had one before the election.  seeing as this next 
monday is so close, I was thinking we may put it off for another month
[23:15] <+svulliez> work on getting the teams together beforehand
[23:15] <+svulliez> I'd rather have no meeting than one that gives people a 
bad impression
[23:16] <+svulliez> MikkelPaulson: I have some specific ideas on which 
committees the candidates would fit, but if we send them the manifesto we may 
be able to find out what they are interested in
[23:16] <+rintaran> Given there are 5 monday's this month, how about we set 
one for the 23rd so you can see how we can direct the former candidates and 
any fresh volunteers.
[23:16] <+Nuitari> hopefully we can retain some of the candidates
[23:17] <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, the 23rd sounds good
[23:17] <+svulliez> I think getting them hands on in the party will help
[23:17] <+svulliez> I agree. 23rd sounds pretty good.
[23:19] <~MikkelPaulson> okay, I'll call the candidates and my volunteers and 
see if I can get them to show up on the 23rd
[23:19] <+svulliez> Do you think "3rd monday of the month" is too confusing?
[23:19] <~MikkelPaulson> we can see about divvying up the volunteers into 
teams there
[23:19] <+svulliez> is there a better day?
[23:19] <~MikkelPaulson> sounds fine to me
[23:20] <+rintaran> There's always a third monday.
[23:20] <+svulliez> sure
[23:20] <~MikkelPaulson> oh, one other point I'd like to discuss
[23:20] <~MikkelPaulson> we're paying $30/mo for my campaign office right now
[23:20] <~MikkelPaulson> do you think it's worth keeping a membership going 
now?
[23:21] <~MikkelPaulson> my (former) campaign office
[23:21] <+rintaran> Only you can really answer that Mikkel. What are you going 
to use it for and how often?
[23:22] <~MikkelPaulson> at a minimum, our monthly meetings
[23:22] <+rintaran> Then I would say, probably not.
[23:22] <+rintaran> Unless you setup your EDA and use that to pay for it.
[23:22] <+rintaran> It's not really a Federal Expense...
[23:22] <~MikkelPaulson> that's true
[23:23] <~MikkelPaulson> anything else before we adjourn?
[23:24] <+rintaran> Just be sure to check through your to-do list: 
http://pr.piratepad.ca/94
[23:24] <+svulliez> good for now, we should continue updating and 
implemenating things from pad 92
[23:25] <+svulliez> *implementing
[23:25] <~MikkelPaulson> okay then
[23:25] <~MikkelPaulson> meeting adjourned

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