FC 2011-02-24 transcript

From Pirate Party of Canada

20:37 <~MikkelPaulson> I call the meeting to order
20:37 <~MikkelPaulson> first up: Zblewski, any new developments in the international relations scene?
20:38 <~MikkelPaulson> I realize we're waiting on the PPI vote, which should be in Monday night
20:42 <+rintaran> Mike?
20:42 <+svulliez> ...
20:43 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, I guess we'll leave that for the moment
20:43 <+svulliez> On the subject of interpartisan relations...
20:43 <+Zblewski> Well
20:44 <+Zblewski> IR scene
20:44 <+Zblewski> I figure I'll start by commenting on the status of our application
20:44 <+Zblewski> I'm just going over the form, easy enough, if it passes, the application will go straight to Samir Allioui
20:45 <+Zblewski> He was the one who was asking me if we would be sending him the application
20:45 <+Zblewski> Aside from that, nothing to report on PPI application
20:46 <~MikkelPaulson> as far as PPI goes
20:46 <~MikkelPaulson> I can't comment on the vote as it's currently in progress
20:46 <~MikkelPaulson> but based on public response I think it's reasonable to expect that it will pass by a large margin
20:46 <~MikkelPaulson> shall we conduct next week's meeting on Tuesday so that we can respond quickly to the results?
20:47 <+svulliez> I don't object to that.
20:47 <+rintaran> Let me check my schedule.
20:47 <+Zblewski> I don't think that will be nessesary
20:47 <+Zblewski> though if the board wishes
20:48 <+svulliez> I'm passive.
20:48 <+rintaran> I'm good to attend a Tuesday meeting.
20:48 <+rintaran> I assume we would be drafting a release that day?
20:48 <~MikkelPaulson> well it's your domain, Mike
20:49 <+Zblewski> I can simply contact the PPI board and Samir, and that can be that. But if we want, we can sit down Tuesday and whip up a release
20:49 <~MikkelPaulson> we should probably have a release ready in advance
20:49 <~MikkelPaulson> I guess we don't need anything formal
20:49 <+Zblewski> Not really.
20:49 <+Zblewski> Something very short and sweet.
20:50 <+rintaran> It would make for a good front-page release though.
20:50 <~MikkelPaulson> for sure
20:51 <~MikkelPaulson> what about Libya?
20:51 <~MikkelPaulson> I haven't heard anything from the WikiLeaks-cum-Tunisia taskforce on the subject
20:52 <~MikkelPaulson> which surprised me, seeing as we were involved in Egypt despite the lack of prior Pirate Party activity in the country
20:53 <+Zblewski> There was some activity on the boards earlier in the week, but aside from that, it appears to be a hands-off approach on Libya
20:53 <+Zblewski> It's insane.
20:54 <~MikkelPaulson> maybe that's something that we can change as a PPI member
20:55 <+svulliez> ...
20:55 <+rintaran> We'll be late to the table for Libya, but there's plenty of other countries out there that'll hit the topple after the PPI conference.
20:56 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, definitely
20:56 <+rintaran> I think in regards to International Affairs though, we're good at the moment. We need to focus on National Affairs, especially with the likelihood of a toppled government on March 22nd.
20:56 <+Nuitari> Hi
20:57 <+rintaran> Hey Nuitari.
20:57 <~MikkelPaulson> this isn't something for PPCA to get involved in directly, but we can certainly push for PPI to get involved
20:57 <~MikkelPaulson> ultimately it would be nice to prepare in advance some sort of aid package to circumvent internet censorship, like equipment to set up a small-scale wireless mesh
20:57 <+Nuitari> There is also Bahrain and Yemen to be on the lookout too
20:57 <+svulliez> Yeah, this election deal should be on the radar
20:58 <~MikkelPaulson> #1
20:58 <~MikkelPaulson> indeed
20:58 <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: the wikileaks server is also set up to provide vpn connections, which is why I haven't cancelled it yet
20:58 <~MikkelPaulson> ah, okay
20:58 <~MikkelPaulson> any info on usage?
20:59 <+Nuitari> I'd pretty say nada for now
20:59 <+Nuitari> it was supposed to be used by one of the PPI people
20:59 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah
20:59 <~MikkelPaulson> figured
21:00 <+svulliez> This election is a big deal, I think we have to start working on something for it
21:00 <~MikkelPaulson> indeed
21:00 <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: could you please
21:00 <~MikkelPaulson> please please please
21:00 <~MikkelPaulson> please
21:00 <~MikkelPaulson> get membership renewal working?
21:00 <+Nuitari> yes
21:01 <~MikkelPaulson> it's costing us at least $500 a month
21:01 <~MikkelPaulson> in lost membership fees
21:01 <+rintaran> Updating the donor page and having it display when in the forums would be pretty good too.
21:01 <~MikkelPaulson> yes
21:01 <+rintaran> (having the link display)
21:01 <~MikkelPaulson> I've removed the link for the time being as the page itself is outdated
21:02 <+rintaran> Even an outdated page is better than none at all.
21:02 <+svulliez> We need money.
21:03 <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: can you get the info on that page at least updated tonight?
21:03 <+rintaran> Otherwise we may as well take down half the site...
21:03 <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: which url ?
21:03 <~MikkelPaulson> https://crm.pirateparty.ca/donate
21:04 <~MikkelPaulson> you can also set up the PayPal form to allow you to enter a custom amount directly
21:04 <+Nuitari> where do we link this from ?
21:04 <~MikkelPaulson> rintaran added it to the navigation
21:04 <+Nuitari> Ok
21:05 <+rintaran> It's been put "invisible" for the moment.
21:05 <~MikkelPaulson> it would be very nice to have a dedicated link for donation
21:05 <+rintaran> But it places the link right where we need it.
21:05 <~MikkelPaulson> since the current system is quite counterintuitive
21:05 <+rintaran> Only catch is that it doesn't show up when you're looking at the forums.
21:05 <~MikkelPaulson> I can sort that out easily enough
21:05 <~MikkelPaulson> it's just that the header is hard-coded
21:06 <+rintaran> I thought that might be the case.
21:06 <~MikkelPaulson> also, Nuitari: how much work would be involved in setting up a CardDAV server?
21:06 <~MikkelPaulson> if it's less than half an hour, I think we should at least try it out and see how useful it would be
21:07 <+Nuitari> where can I get such a serveR?
21:08 <~MikkelPaulson> I'd imagine there's a package for Gentoo
21:09 <~MikkelPaulson> if it's too much work don't worry about it, our current system (if you can call it that) works in a pinch
21:09 <~MikkelPaulson> right now I just have the business card drafts Mike sent me and load those up when I need an extension number
21:11 <+Nuitari> ok
21:11 <~MikkelPaulson> finally, could you set up blog.pirateparty.ca?
21:11 <~MikkelPaulson> I already have a vhost set up for it
21:12 <~MikkelPaulson> sorry to put all of this stuff on you, but you're the only one who can do it
21:12 <+Nuitari> sure
21:12 <~MikkelPaulson> (that one at least is pretty trivial)
21:13 <~MikkelPaulson> so svulliez: what's the latest in the PR department?
21:14 <+svulliez> I have been seeking out people to join the PR team, and I have received some interest
21:14 <+Nuitari> DNS done
21:14 <~MikkelPaulson> okay thanks
21:15 <+svulliez> I think we'll have a roster of 5 or 10 dedicated folks to help manage the complexities of our image
21:15 <+svulliez> I think it will be a good thing.
21:15 <~MikkelPaulson> not a bad start
21:16 <~MikkelPaulson> of course, it's important to diversify beyond just talking to the media
21:16 <~MikkelPaulson> although getting a snappy response to that is always important
21:17 <+rintaran> Have there been any responses to the French PR notice?
21:17 <+svulliez> I've found a good narrator, but the casting call is still open. I'd like to keep the portfolio diverse, if possible. I'll send you guys what I get out of him when we start to create the videos.
21:17 <+svulliez> None as of yet, but I do have some promising leads
21:18 <+svulliez> I know a fair amount of french speaking locals, some of which are pirates
21:18 <+rintaran> Good, good. Have you been finding the postings useful? Anything that should be tweaked?
21:18 <+svulliez> some of which I have invited to the PR team.
21:18 <+svulliez> I think they have been useful, I got an immediate response for the voice over position
21:19 <+svulliez> Currently I see no reason to change it
21:19 <+rintaran> Alright.  I added Regional Protest Organizers to the postings, you may want to update your forum post to include it.
21:19 <~MikkelPaulson> we need someone bilingual to redo the phone system recordings
21:20 <+svulliez> Awesome, I'll do that.
21:20 <+rintaran> http://wiki.pirateparty.ca/index.php/Regional_Protest_Organizers
21:20 <+svulliez> As for the country wide protest... I've tossed up an impromptu poll in that thread as to what our focus should be
21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> I noticed
21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> I don't like it
21:20 <+svulliez> https://www.pirateparty.ca/forum/index.php?topic=865.0
21:20 <+svulliez> You don't like the poll?
21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> whenever we have a rally, it should be "we're really unhappy about this and want to do something about it", not "let's find something to be unhappy about so we can get our 5 minutes in the spotlight
21:20 <~MikkelPaulson> "
21:21 <+Zblewski> It's not about pandering to populism
21:21 <+svulliez> I see
21:22 <+Zblewski> We need to show we can pick our own battles
21:22 <+svulliez> I'm sorry.I think I may have missed something, can someone PM me a copy+paste?
21:22 <~MikkelPaulson> of what?
21:23 <+svulliez> The chatlogs. What just happened. I was disconnected.
21:23 <~MikkelPaulson> I don't think there's been anything said that you haven't responded to
21:24 <+svulliez> MikkelPaulson, what is it about the thread that you don't like?
21:24 <~MikkelPaulson> it's overtly saying "let's get worked up about something. any suggestions for what?"
21:24 <+svulliez> Do you feel we're pandering to populism by throwing up that poll? Or-?
21:24 <+Zblewski> "(9:21:07 PM) MikkelPaulson: whenever we have a rally, it should be "we're really unhappy about this and want to do something about it", not "let's find something to be unhappy about so we can get our 5 minutes in the spotlight"
21:25 <+svulliez> there has been some debate about what we should be protesting.
21:25 <+svulliez> I think coordination is reasonable, and it's a reasonable question to ask.
21:26 <~MikkelPaulson> if there's debate about what we should be protesting, chances are we shouldn't be protesting
21:26 <+svulliez> That's ridiculous
21:26 <+Zblewski> No, it isn't
21:26 <+svulliez> We live in a world full of tons of horrible awful things
21:26 <+Zblewski> And we're a party with a focus
21:26 <+svulliez> many of which directly apply to our cause, our vision, and our demographics
21:27 <+svulliez> We have to make conscious, educated choices about what we do, and that includes asking the members what they think
21:27 <+svulliez> A protest is an effective way to make a point, and we have a lot of points
21:28 <+Zblewski> So, choose one. We can't water down our rallies.
21:28 <+Zblewski> By looking indecisive about wht we feel stongly about
21:28 <+Zblewski> or by overdoing rallies.
21:28 <+svulliez> I feel confident choosing one. I'm not saying we should have multi-issue confusing rallies.
21:28 <+Nuitari> [ Results for search key : carddav ]
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21:29 <+svulliez> Asking people what they think is a basic democratic process that is going to help us know where to focus
21:29 <+svulliez> you guys are unbelievable sometimes. I don't want to drag down this meeting.
21:29 <~MikkelPaulson> we're an issue-based party, not a catchall party like the Conservatives or Liberals
21:29 <~MikkelPaulson> that means that we already have things that we're concerned about and people with similar concerns come to us
21:30 <+svulliez> But we just spent 40 minutes talking about things that should have been dealt with via private message.
21:30 <+svulliez> The pace of these meetings is horrifyingly slow, it doesn't help things get done
21:30 <+svulliez> I want to get things done.
21:30 <+svulliez> A country wide rally is something seriously worth pursing.
21:31 <+svulliez> I don't want to argue about whether or not we should think hard before we act
21:31 <~MikkelPaulson> that's the reason we have these meetings
21:31 <+svulliez> because obviously, we should have crowd input.
21:31 <~MikkelPaulson> because we want to ensure that the entire council is on the page
21:31 <~MikkelPaulson> and it's pretty clear to me that in this regard we're not
21:32 <+svulliez> write me a letter, and tell me. We have an hour and half a week to do this, and have discussions.
21:33 <+svulliez> The slow process of pretending like we're having a regular meeting makes this impossible to bear sometimes
21:33 <+Nuitari> We do have a lot of battles to pick from
21:33 <+svulliez> ^
21:33 <+Nuitari> and I'm surprised to see that the killswitch and middle east solidarity came out way ahead of c-32
21:33 <+svulliez> To be fair,only 8 voters
21:34 <+svulliez> thus far
21:34 <+Nuitari> out of 15
21:34 <+svulliez> We need our userbase to tell us what battle matters most to them. Because they all matter to me. I am willing to go to the streets for any issue
21:34 <+svulliez> I don't want to use that poll to determine the actions we take, but it's a decent guideline
21:35 <~MikkelPaulson> svulliez: this is part of what you signed up for, deal with it
21:35 <+Nuitari> and killswitch might also be so high because of the Egypt and Lybia situations with the Internet
21:36 <+svulliez> it's a really interesting topic
21:36 <+svulliez> it fits with solidarity, it could be a great rally
21:36 <+svulliez> teach people about wireless mesh networks, ham radio packets, etc.
21:37 <~MikkelPaulson> sorry Zblewski
21:37 <+svulliez> It's an interesting idea. We wouldn't have had that idea if it weren't for Steve pushing for it in the forums
21:37 <+Zblewski> And that's fine
21:37 <+Zblewski> What I'm trying to say is
21:37 <+Zblewski> if the people are discussing it on the forums, great
21:38 <+Zblewski> but you should be the one making the call on the topic of the rallies, it's a logistics issue
21:39 <+svulliez> I will be making the call.
21:40 <+svulliez> I was looking for input, and i got it.
21:40 <+svulliez> Thread: success
21:41 <+svulliez> I'm not trying to divide the council. This is a non-issue.
21:41 <~MikkelPaulson> actually, it's an important issue because the council is divided
21:41 <~MikkelPaulson> that's exactly what the meetings are for: to deal with this sort of issue
21:42 <+Nuitari> actually that's what the mailing list is for
21:42 <+rintaran> But they really shouldn't be about choosing an online retailer, setting up the donations page, and non-decision tech talk.
21:42 <+svulliez> How about- plan what we are going to do Re:Impending election
21:42 <+svulliez> That's a hot ticket there.
21:43 <+Nuitari> I'd rather move to the election too
21:43 <~MikkelPaulson> okay
21:43 <+Zblewski> Sure.
21:43 <~MikkelPaulson> I'd like to wrap up the rally discussion first, though
21:43 <~MikkelPaulson> shall we take a vote on whether to proceed with it?
21:44 <+svulliez> Proceed with...?
21:44 <+svulliez> a rally?
21:44 <~MikkelPaulson> yes
21:44 <+svulliez> I don't have any specifics planned right now. I need to talk to my PR team once it is assembled.
21:45 <+svulliez> we can vote on whether or not to hold rallies in general, but I can't give you a time / date to vote on yet.
21:45 <~MikkelPaulson> that's not an issue, of course we will
21:45 <+svulliez> We were considering a March 6 UBB rally, but I think we'd be better off piggybacking on openmedia
21:45 <~MikkelPaulson> that's central to our purpose as a political party
21:45 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, that's fine
21:46 <~MikkelPaulson> let's just leave it there
21:46 <~MikkelPaulson> please keep us in the loop
21:46 <+svulliez> Absolutely.
21:46 <+Zblewski> Election.
21:46 <+svulliez> yes.
21:46 <+svulliez> I think we can influence this election
21:46 <+Nuitari> yeah
21:46 <+Zblewski> Obviously Mikkel knows what he is doing, and if Jeff is ready, we now his performance will be something like the last.
21:47 <~MikkelPaulson> UBB could have beet a biggie, but as all of the parties have already come out in opposition, it'll be all but off the radar now
21:47 <~MikkelPaulson> but we could piggyback on that to raise the issue of CRTC reform
21:47 <~MikkelPaulson> say, listen, the government repeatedly has to overrule the CRTC when it makes decisions against the interest of the Canadian public
21:48 <~MikkelPaulson> something is broken
21:48 <+svulliez> I agree, that's an interesting place to go with your campaigns.
21:48 <+svulliez> Do we know who is ready to run?
21:48 <+Nuitari> is there a specific party we should help prop?
21:48 <~MikkelPaulson> on the books right now we just have Craig and I
21:48 <~MikkelPaulson> I also emailed a letter of endorsement to Jeff anticipating that he'll want to run again
21:49 <~MikkelPaulson> I don't think we should support any party, but we can go riding-by-riding and support individual candidates
21:49 <+rintaran> Isn't someone up to be elected as candidate?
21:49 <~MikkelPaulson> Charlie Angus, for instance
21:49 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, Travis as well
21:49 <~MikkelPaulson> he's up on March 19th unless the writ drops first
21:49 <+Zblewski> I'm going to call Travis and Craig
21:49 <+Nuitari> is there any ndp candidate that lost out by 150 votes or less?
21:49 <+Zblewski> I want to see how each is ready
21:50 <+Zblewski> Idunno
21:50 <+rintaran> The Budget vote is slated for the 22nd, so he'll be up first.
21:50 <+Zblewski> but Sudbury's NDP MP won on something close
21:50 <+Zblewski> I think it's a liberal target riding
21:51 <~MikkelPaulson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/41st_Canadian_federal_election#Target_seats
21:51 <+Zblewski> Yeah, 4.3%
21:51 <+Zblewski> And generally, the Northern Ontario NDP caucus, which includes Charlie Angus, is tight knit
21:52 <~MikkelPaulson> Angus aside, any ideas who we should support?
21:52 <~MikkelPaulson> might be a good question for research
21:53 <+Zblewski> Yeah, I'll look into it
21:53 <+Zblewski> There's a few that likely could use support
21:53 <+svulliez> I think we ought to set up a website
21:53 <+svulliez> Try to push the idea that in the 2011 election, internet policy matters
21:53 <+Nuitari> actually we'd need to know who our members are more likely to vote for if we can't be in their riding
21:54 <~MikkelPaulson> well it's not just who necessarily needs support, endorsing the candidates who we feel best represent our ideals regardless of whether they're a shoe-in or not
21:54 <~MikkelPaulson> that's part of appearing to be active in the political scene
21:54 <+svulliez> It would be awesome to get together a list of candidates with notably good or bad information policy
21:54 <~MikkelPaulson> indeed
21:54 <~MikkelPaulson> list of people to vote for and people to avoid
21:54 <+Zblewski> *coughJAmesMoore*
21:55 <+svulliez> yes. for example.
21:55 <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: good point
21:55 <~MikkelPaulson> any progress on the survey?
21:56 <+Nuitari> we already have a survey engine
21:56 <+Nuitari> we just need a survey
21:56 <~MikkelPaulson> sorry, the question was directed to rintaran and svulliez
21:56 <~MikkelPaulson> but good to know that we're technically set up for it
21:57 <+svulliez> Oh awesome, I regrettably have no progress on that survey, but I will put it as a high priority
21:57 <+rintaran> I have 13 questions laid out on my mobile. Only had very limited computer access this past week while I was up north.
21:57 <~MikkelPaulson> good to hear
21:57 <~MikkelPaulson> you wanted me to put together a few political spectrum questions, yeah?
21:58 <+Nuitari> the engine supports  arcs based on multiple choice answers
21:59 <~MikkelPaulson> a good question would be "if there's no Pirate Party candidate in your riding, who would you be most likely to support?"
22:00 <+rintaran> Well, I can have the demographics questions typed up later on tonight. Who should I send them to?
22:00 <+svulliez> I want to get back to something, this website idea. to influence the election
22:00 <+rintaran> Well, better make it tmw at this rate.
22:00 <+Nuitari> MikkelPaulson: are you penning the final survey?
22:01 <~MikkelPaulson> Nuitari: I believe rintaran and svulliez were planning to put it together
22:02 <+svulliez> internetmatters.ca - "This election the internet matters to voters..."
22:03 <+svulliez> list of people with good policy and bad policies, little pictures
22:03 <+svulliez> including our candidates
22:03 <~MikkelPaulson> I like it
22:03 <+svulliez> all the way at the bottom
22:03 <+svulliez> service provided by the canadian pirate party
22:04 <~MikkelPaulson> good idea to put it on a separate domain
22:04 <+rintaran> Top Ridings & names should be PPCA folk?
22:04 <+rintaran> I think it'd be better to rotate the first few back & forth...
22:04 <+rintaran> Less obviously PPCA material.
22:05 <+svulliez> I think we shouldn't give PPCA any special treatment
22:05 <+svulliez> objectively, we will have the best internet policy
22:05 <+svulliez> and that will stand out on it's own
22:05 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah
22:05 <~MikkelPaulson> needs a little byline with our name
22:06 <~MikkelPaulson> but otherwise it ought to speak for itself
22:06 <+Zblewski> Information Leadership.
22:06 <+Zblewski> I still use this line.
22:06 <+Nuitari> internetmatters.ca <-- should I register it?
22:06 <~MikkelPaulson> sure
22:06 <+svulliez> might be a good title to use in the long run, too.
22:06 <+svulliez> The internet matters.
22:07 <+svulliez> we believe that.
22:07 <+svulliez> also, our party deals with matters concerning the internet
22:08 <~MikkelPaulson> we still need a good slogan
22:08 <~MikkelPaulson> honestly I haven't been happy with any of the suggestions thus far
22:10 <+svulliez> Do we have the money to hire someone to design and build a really nice internetmatters.ca
22:10 <+svulliez> even a pittance
22:10 <+svulliez> a symbolic amount
22:10 <~MikkelPaulson> not really
22:10 <+svulliez> Hmm. I will try to pull some strings. I don't want to put too much load on poor Nuitari
22:11 <~MikkelPaulson> he's not a web designer anyway
22:11 <+rintaran> Just don't use Publisher. It's only capable of 1999-style web design.
22:11 <~MikkelPaulson> haha
22:11 <~MikkelPaulson> no, anyone who uses a WYSIWYG editor should be immediately disqualified
22:11 <+rintaran> Oh, and the coding looks worse
22:13 <+svulliez> Oh by the way- what is the council consensus on the focus of our 30 second ads?
22:14 <~MikkelPaulson> the focus? our platform?
22:15 <+svulliez> just a 30 second rundown of our platform points?
22:15 <~MikkelPaulson> no, I think we should pick one point
22:16 <~MikkelPaulson> we need to crunch the format of our about page (what's broken, how do we fix it) down into 30 seconds
22:16 <~MikkelPaulson> not a short order for one point, let alone four or five
22:16 <+Nuitari> inline with internetmatters
22:17 <+Nuitari> we should dig up numbers on how much the economy grew with it
22:17 <~MikkelPaulson> more research committee
22:17 <+svulliez> The research committee is just me and trailblazer11 right now
22:17 <+svulliez> you're all welcome to join, we need help
22:18 <+svulliez> particularly as PR is a monolithic task as it is
22:18 <~MikkelPaulson> indeed
22:18 <+Nuitari> I'm sure some economist already published something about it
22:18 <~MikkelPaulson> ideally your job would be mainly supervision and spokesman
22:18 <~MikkelPaulson> I know it'll be a while, but the closer you can get the individual branches to autonomy the better
22:19 <+svulliez> hopefully. I have some people I'd be really excited to get on board
22:19 <~MikkelPaulson> designate one person to act as head of the research committee, for instance
22:20 <~MikkelPaulson> it's not practical to try to chair (and work on) all of the committees at once
22:21 <+svulliez> Yup.
22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> we also need to prepare a resource kit for our candidates
22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> campaign site template
22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> flyers and brochures
22:22 <~MikkelPaulson> Zblewski: think it's still practical to order some campaign signs?
22:23 <+Zblewski> Yes.
22:23 <+Zblewski> I have come up with someone in Greater Sudbury, I'm sure they can do it
22:24 <+Zblewski> It's just a matter of which route we're going with them
22:24 <+Nuitari> well
22:24 <~MikkelPaulson> get blanks and put name stickers on?
22:24 <~MikkelPaulson> good for last-minute candidates
22:25 <~MikkelPaulson> I was thinking we could get something like this for our candidates
22:25 <~MikkelPaulson> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830180347
22:25 <~MikkelPaulson> run a responsive campaign like Jeff did
22:25 <~MikkelPaulson> he got more YouTube channel views than all of the other candidates combined
22:26 <+svulliez> Very good plan. The way Jeff ran his campaign was very much the way we should be doing it
22:26 <+svulliez> we should be bringing tech and connectivity into the picture as much as possible.
22:26 <~MikkelPaulson> demonstrate its potential in enhancing democracy
22:27 <+rintaran> The weakness was that he listened too long, and never made decisions. That's something that we need to avoid.
22:27 <~MikkelPaulson> and at the same time show up our competitors with their predominate lack of understanding in that regard
22:27 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah
22:27 <~MikkelPaulson> he spent his entire campaign talking about how he was listening
22:27 <~MikkelPaulson> when he should've listened for the first half and spoken for his constituents the second half
22:28 <+svulliez> No complaints though, great candidate.
22:28 <~MikkelPaulson> absolutely
22:28 <+Zblewski> Indeed.
22:28 <~MikkelPaulson> we were lucky to have him
22:28 <+Zblewski> I'm more concerned
22:28 <+Zblewski> about how ready Craig is
22:28 <~MikkelPaulson> I wish he'd been able to be more involved in the party since
22:29 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah, I haven't heard a peep from him
22:29 <+Zblewski> Craig has mostly silent for the longest time, and I wonder what his level of commitment is
22:29 <+svulliez> He has told me he intends to win.
22:29 <+svulliez> I'm within bussing distance of him, I should arrange a meeting.
22:29 <~MikkelPaulson> that's quite easy to say...
22:30 <+svulliez> No doubt.
22:30 <+Zblewski> And Travis needs schooling on the division of powers in Canada, as it is evident he's unsure about what powers federal government has.
22:30 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah
22:30 <~MikkelPaulson> unless he gets his act together there I can't in good conscience support his candidacy
22:31 <~MikkelPaulson> he has next to no platform and little understanding of the Canadian political system
22:31 <~MikkelPaulson> he'd be a better campaign manager for someone else's campaign IMO
22:31 <+svulliez> He's been settling into Vancouver, he is working and living in a hostel I think
22:31 <+Nuitari> I think we should guide him though it all before the next meeting
22:31 <~MikkelPaulson> definitely
22:31 <+svulliez> He hasn't been making it down to meetings around here
22:32 <+svulliez> I think he might just be settling in,you know. It's tough to move.
22:32 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah
22:32 <~MikkelPaulson> understandable
22:32 <+svulliez> But yeah, we should just bring him up to speed, I'm sure he's not incapable of understanding these things
22:32 <~MikkelPaulson> no, he's got plenty of hands-on political experience
22:32 <~MikkelPaulson> which would be a great asset
22:33 <+svulliez> He's also very dedicated, he's an ally.
22:33 <+Zblewski> Right you are
22:33 <~MikkelPaulson> well let's arrange a meeting with him sometime in the next week
22:33 <+svulliez> If he doesn't get it together for this election, him and I will help a lot with Craig's.
22:33 <~MikkelPaulson> maybe we could get him working on Craig's campaign if his own candidacy falls through
22:33 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah
22:34 <+svulliez> He could get the experience he needs to be a contender later on.
22:34 <+Zblewski> Like I said, I'll be calling both
22:34 <+svulliez> Wonderful.
22:35 <~MikkelPaulson> anything else to mention regarding election readiness
22:35 <~MikkelPaulson> oh yeah, Nuitari: we need to get going on the NPO elections, do we not?
22:35 <+svulliez> I think we need to get research assembled and on the task of ranking candidates information policy, finding bad ones particularly
22:35 <~MikkelPaulson> for sure
22:36 <+Nuitari> yeah
22:36 <~MikkelPaulson> until we can get a pro design together, we can at least do a quick Wordpress template
22:36 <+svulliez> Good plan.
22:36 <+Nuitari> basically for the npo
22:36 <+Nuitari> I learned a few things last week
22:36 <+svulliez> I'll see if my designer buddy is availABLE.
22:37 <+Nuitari> we do need to replace 2 directors as they have long left the party
22:37 <+Nuitari> the replacements are not excluded from being candidates, unless either of them is a registered agent
22:39 <+Nuitari> ideally we'd be looking for people that are good at raising money or administration tasks
22:41 <~MikkelPaulson> just put out a public call?
22:42 <+Nuitari> I'd rather go with people we know
22:42 <~MikkelPaulson> do they need to be elected or can we appoint?
22:42 <+rintaran> So, you're looking for new people to have on the official Non-profit organization papers associated with the PPCA?
22:43 <+Nuitari> council has to vote
22:43 <~MikkelPaulson> okay
22:43 <~MikkelPaulson> but we don't have to call another election?
22:43 <+Nuitari> no
22:44 <~MikkelPaulson> good to hear
22:46 <~MikkelPaulson> well, any suggestions?
22:46 <~MikkelPaulson> I think Travis would be a good choice
22:46 <+Zblewski> He has NGO experience
22:50 <~MikkelPaulson> canvassing as well
22:50 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, let's continue that discussion via email
22:50 <~MikkelPaulson> any other business?
22:50 <+Nuitari> not from me
22:50 <+Zblewski> Nope
22:51 <+rintaran> We need a select committee board setup for the Pirate ISP research team.
22:51 <+rintaran> Should get Yehoshua to lead it. He can recruit to the group. Let them come up with the facts.
22:51 <~MikkelPaulson> should probably move to strike that at the March General Meeting
22:52 <~MikkelPaulson> the Federal Council doesn't often set up committees
22:52 <~MikkelPaulson> when we do so, we usually end up with zero members
22:53 <+rintaran> Alright, I guess it can go on that agenda then.
22:53 <~MikkelPaulson> you have access right?
22:53 <~MikkelPaulson> to edit the agenda
22:53 <+rintaran> Yeah, I should be able to get it on there.
22:54 <+svulliez> I know of a vancouver person looking to start a pirate isp type thing too. don't know how serious he is, but I'll see if he's onboard to work with yehoshua
22:54 <+svulliez> it would be cool if it was somewhat feasible to simultaniously start a few tiny isps at once
22:56 <~MikkelPaulson> yeah
22:56 <+Nuitari> the big problem with it is that wireless spectrum is heavily regulated
22:56 <~MikkelPaulson> I really think it's a fantastic idea, just not one that's necessarily compatible with a political party
22:58 <+rintaran> I think that making movements to oppenly oppose members idea without solid research one way or another is detrimental to the party.
22:58 <+svulliez> truth
22:58 <+svulliez> I want to see where it goes, but I am willing to accept it may go nowhere
22:58 <+Nuitari> I don't think it's incompatible if we're smart about how we do the details
22:58 <~MikkelPaulson> likewise
22:58 <+svulliez> hopefully we can provide some people with the resources so they can start a pirate isp at the very least
22:58 <~MikkelPaulson> I don't have a problem with proceeding with the research
22:59 <~MikkelPaulson> if nothing else, maybe it'll inspire someone to start a spinoff
22:59 <+Nuitari> do the feasability research first then we'll see how we can proceed
23:01 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, well we can certainly speak our piece at the meeting, anyway
23:01 <~MikkelPaulson> no point in hashing it out here as we're not the ones pushing for its adoption
23:01 <~MikkelPaulson> anything else?
23:02 <+rintaran> Nope. Let's blow this pop stand so some actual work can get done.
23:02 <+Nuitari> PR on the UBB harddrive?
23:03 <+svulliez> did you get the file MikkelPaulson?
23:04 <+svulliez> i added the logo and text to mik's video
23:05 <~MikkelPaulson> where?
23:06 <+svulliez> Its in my dropbox. I think it was a PM i sent
23:06 <+svulliez> one sec
23:07 <+svulliez> Hm, I wonder if I just forgot to send the message... or if it didn't go through or something
23:07 <+svulliez> I had this done a while ago.
23:08 <+svulliez> either way, it's brutally ineffective
23:08 <+svulliez> I am sorry
23:08 <~MikkelPaulson> no prob
23:09 <~MikkelPaulson> okay, shall we call it a night?
23:10 <+svulliez> ok!
23:10 <+Nuitari> ok
23:10 <~MikkelPaulson> hearing no objections, meeting adjourned

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